I don't need no civil war: On X360, all RB instruments work in GH World Tour
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A repost from the Rock Band thread, but this affects Rock Banders, Guitar Heroes and people on the fence. This is pretty big fucking news.
Wired is reporting that on Xbox 360, the Rock Band 2 instruments will work in GH World Tour -- INCLUDING DRUMS.
Although Wired's Chris Kohler is saying that this is 360 only so far. Sorry PS3 peoples.
Wired is reporting that on Xbox 360, the Rock Band 2 instruments will work in GH World Tour -- INCLUDING DRUMS.
LOS ANGELES -- Own Rock Band instruments on Xbox 360? They'll work with Guitar Hero World Tour.
At Activision's E3 press conference Tuesday, Guitar Hero director Brian Bright told the crowd that if they already owned guitar controllers and drum controllers from "previous games" on the Xbox 360, they'd work with Guitar Hero World Tour.
What Activision didn't say is how that will actually work, considering that Rock Band drums have four pad inputs and Guitar Hero World Tour has five.
UPDATE: Here's how it'll work. Speaking with Bright after the conference, I found out that the game's five-button drum track, shown above center, will be compressed down to four inputs if a Rock Band drum controller is inserted.
There's also a MIDI jack on the back of the drum kit, Bright said, which will allow gamers to play Guitar Hero with any electronic drum kit by simply plugging it into the controller. You can also hook up a second drum pedal if you want to play two bass drums.
Although Wired's Chris Kohler is saying that this is 360 only so far. Sorry PS3 peoples.
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So the game will be easier with rock band drums?
Also, sadly, this seems more out of necessity for them than kindness -- I think they know people don't want to have to buy two drumkits.
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What will be interesting is whether there is any Harmonix response to this. Since Activision blocked HMX's attempt to make the ps3 guitars work in GH3, I wonder if they'll just stand by and let this happen or what. My guess is they will because I think a lot of it comes down to the Microsoft controller standards. Plus they're not making a dedicated patch for it, which gets a bit more into 'hey, don't fuck w/ our shit' kinda territory.
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Harmonix has said on many occasions that they're interested in as wide a range of peripherals working with their game as possible. They don't seem to have any problem with Red Octane's instruments working with their game. I just think this is Activision realizing that people are only really going to want one set of instruments in their living room, and this way they can still catch those people who already have Rock Band, too. Harmonix is going to want that same audience coming from GH:WT as well, so I can't seem them blocking anything.
I agree and yes, that should be Harmonix's response. I fully expect that it will. I just worry about that one executive, maybe he's from EA or MTV, that's bringing up the point of 'hey, they screwed us, so why aren't we screwing them? don't we like money?'. Everything I've ever heard from HMX implies they don't hire/associate w/ those kinds of people, but still...I worry. It would signify a major shift in HMX business practices that I never want to see happen.
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HMX has also said more than once that they're allowing third-party peripheral-makers to design drum controllers for Rock Band 2. I think they realized (especially after the brutal launch backlash of the QC of their own hardware) that embracing non-RB-branded instruments is beneficial, especially because the game is designed such that they stand to gain the most from selling shit-tons of DLC.
I wouldn't be surprised if the GHWT drums worked in RB2, and then I'm faced with the situation of figuring out what drumset to buy, but I'm inclined to go with the RB2 set.
In any case, I hope this heralds the end of plastic-instrument exclusivity and gives everyone a chance to just play the games. I like in RB how people have their own preferences of "RB Strat vs. GH3 Les Paul" but the game accepts both and the game plays just the same.
Whatever the motive, what's important is that we won't have to own two entirely complete sets of plastic band instruments just to play two different yet similar games.
Now if only we can get RB to allow for GH controllers. I love the Les Pauls, and much dislike the Strats.
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Unless, of course, the RB2 drums have cymbals and velocity sensitive pads and don't make so much damn noise.
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One, I think this is more Microsoft's saying, as PS3 owners are still getting shafted on this front.
Two, on 360 anyways, Rock Band 1 is fully capable of using GH2's and GH3's guitars, so I don't imagine it would be different with RB2 using GHWT's.
They're going to have cymbals (optional), velocity sensitive pads, and they are going to be quieter.
There will also be the optional, high quality version:
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RB revealed their new drums? Where, WHERE!
The latest game informer.
or here:
http://kotaku.com/5024092/rock-band-2s-drums-sorta-new-definitely-improved
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This does confirm Rock Band instruments as working, but it doesn't confirm Rock Band 2 instruments. The Rock Band 2 instruments may well be compatible, but we have no news on that.
EDIT: Or at least no articles that I've seen. I'd love to be proven wrong.
The RB2 instruments will be backwards compatible with RB1....
.. so it's possible that if a game, GHWT, can make use of input from RB1 instruments, and RB2 instruments are backwards compatible with RB1, then it's very possible for RB2 instruments to work in GHWT.
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The only question I had was about the button difference.
I suppose that makes sense, assuming that the signal output of both instruments are the same and that the RB2 stuff isn't differently wired.
Highly probable, but still want confirmation.
But the Rock Band guitars didn't work in GH3. They apparently do in GH Aerosmith, so it's nice to get confirmation that they will also work in GHWT. Also, GHWT actually altering its drum notecharts to cater to Rock Band drums is pretty big news, at least to me. If anything I was expecting RB2 to allow the GHWT drums (and just not use one of the pads), not the other way around.
Activision isn't stupid though, of course they would find some way to pull RB consumers to their brand.
Well done Activision.
Woah, they are offering cymbals for the RB2 set? I may have to grab a new set then. I was kinda waiting for a nice 3rd party option, but $300 for the Ion kit is just too rich for me. I would love to see a really good quality set that worked well with both RB2 and GH:WT.
Not trying to turn this into a fanboy fight, but it would take more than instrument compatibility to pull me, as a RB consumer, over to the next GH. 3 had problems, quite a few of them IMO, that would need to be touched up for me to be enthused over WT. This has me considering it seriously, but it's definitely not the main problem I even had with 3 since I still had my GH2 guitar for my 360.
Differently wired? Not on the 360 they won't be; Microsoft has some rather strictly defined standards for input peripherals and (unlike Sony and Nintendo) actually enforce them. This can be a bad thing in some cases (custom sticks for fighting games, for instance, require you to gut a 360 controller, a fact that the Shoryuken folks got upset with) but is a good thing here.
1 - vocal track
2 - Guitar track
3 - bass track
4 - GH drum track
5 - RB drum track
6 - Misc noise track
And they're saying that GH3 DLC will work for GHWT. Something just isn't fitting...
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Was this confirmed? I thought it was just rumor.
I'm guessing that the four-pad drum track will just bind the two cymbals to one pad instead of two, which can be done without any real effort.
You might be right. The way I saw it talked about in the GH thread, I just assumed it was fact.
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The only word I've heard is from the IGN preview from a few weeks ago, where they explicitly said GH3 DLC WILL NOT WORK IN GHWT.
http://kotaku.com/5025700/metallica-album-dlc-also-for-guitar-hero-world-tour
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Ditto. I was completely ignoring World Tour because there was no fucking way I was going to buy two sets of plastic instruments. With this news though, I might actually pick up the game.
Yep, optional, separately sold cymbals that plug into the new drums. Or alternatively the very nice Ion set (for a lot of money).
There is more than instrument compatibility. You should see the features list and some of the gameplay videos. Tons and tons of stuff. GHWT, based on what we know so far, seems to actually be more robust than RB2. Course neither is out yet, but don't discount GHWT completely. And also, most of the "issues" with GH3 are being addressed; some of which are already addressed in Guitar Hero Aerosmith. Including timing windows and note chart craziness, both of which are now more conservative.
I'm not trying to sell GHWT, just suggesting that one keep an open mind.
What? If GHWT works with the RB drums, then it strips of a row so that the RB set of 4 pads and pedal works with the game. The GHWT drums have 5 pads and a pedal. They'd need to strip off a row to make it fit. But then of course they'd have to place those right-most notes onto the 4-row chart somehow. It'd be interesting to see how they pull that off...
But what does that have to do with song parts? Each song just need come with Vocal, Lead guitar, bass/rhythm guitar, drums, and misc noise track. Just like RB. Why would they need to change anything?
Anyway, I don't put much stock into what Activision/NS say about their future products. The best policy is to wait and see if they actually implement this stuff before buying into it. They may or may not actually put this stuff into the game.
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The number of available songs, both included, but particularly as downloadable songs, not to mention backwards compatibility of loading RB1 DLC into RB2.
GHWT is just now starting out as a "platform" for the "full band experience." There haven't been a whole lot of DLC songs or what have you; but that's something RB has been pursuing since its release.
Activision has a lot of work to do to acquire nearly as many songs as RB2 will probably have available by its release.
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