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I can't believe this is a true thing, it must be a late April fools joke oder?
http://www.washingtontimes.com/weblogs/aviation-security/2008/Jul/01/want-some-torture-with-your-peanuts/
Passenger bracelet that allows flight crew to tazer "unruly" people..
o_O
The FOX news video clip down the page is *awesome sauce*
http://www.washingtontimes.com/weblogs/aviation-security/2008/Jul/01/want-some-torture-with-your-peanuts/
Passenger bracelet that allows flight crew to tazer "unruly" people..
o_O
The FOX news video clip down the page is *awesome sauce*
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Scaremongering much? They are on a fucking plane, it's not like they are going anywhere....
Well other than the destination of the plane.
How the hell would this even work? Is GPS + tracking software really that accurate/effective? Would they have a security monitor on the plan who would man the desk?
My amused reaction wasn't to the technology itself, but to the idea of using it on airline passengers. What next? A collar given to schoolchildren that zaps them if they try to leave the school grounds without authorisation?
As for using it on people in handcuffs....er....aren't they already restrained from the fact that they are in, you know, handcuffs?
Plus, the airlines will make us pay an extra fee for the pleasure of being zapped :P
I do see how this could be used for other detaining purposes, though.
edit: people in handcuffs sometimes escape/run away.
If a policeman/security guy gets outrun by a man in handcuffs he should be considering another line of employment.
Plus
a) I thought all your mob rode horses?
b) This was in America and that lot all carry guns anyway, bullets go much faster than a man, even when he's running.
:P
Shit happens, and it will deter people from even attempting escape. Most cops are fit, but don't act like you've never seen a fat one :P
a) Even if we used horses, it would be very difficult to chase someone through a city on horse. I guess they use horses in areas where they have an advantage over automobiles, and in parade, but I think that's it.
b) Our police carry guns, but I'm pretty sure that if a police officer shot at an unarmed, handcuffed person they would be charged for it.
I'm not saying it's a problem, and you're probably right, but it's a possible use for the technology.
edit: according to Bureau of Justice Statistics, there were 2002 arrest-related deaths from 2003 through 2005. Homicide by law enforcement was the leading cause of 55% of those deaths. Of those 55%, 36% attempted to escape or flee custody. To escape custody one must be in custody, and even though the number of people is small (~350), they might not have died with this new technology used in handcuffs (though perhaps the American stance on this is different considering that capital punishment is still used in some areas).
For comparison: the FBI show 380 law enforcement officers killed in the line of duty, 159 of which were homicides, and 174,760 assaults on officers, in the same time frame.
edit2: In 1998, 6,530 people escaped from state prisons, the majority of whom simply walked away from community corrections facilities. It's not like they're not found, but GPS devices could certainly help find them faster.
What the hell? Is this implying that these things can summon fighter jets?
It's also amusing that the stewardess can use a laser pointer to activate them, and the pointer only needs to be within 10 inches of the bracelet. Meaning that anyone else whose wrist happens to be within a foot...like, you know, a hostage...will be zapped also.
I think a much simpler idea would be to adapt those light-up-and-buzz things that chain restaurants like Applebee's use. That way, if someone gets out of line, they'll be distracted by the thought of Chipotle |Jack Chicken Niblets or whateverthefuck and be pacified. Only a true madman would continue his quest for martyrdom in the face of Chipotle Frozen 'Ritas and Needlessly Small Fucking Cheesburgers.
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Nah the F-16 thing is that if a plane is hijacked then it is standard response that an armed fighter gets scrambled in case they decide to shoot the plane down instead of letting it be deliberately flown into a populous area (not a decision I would like to have to make).
First things I though of when I read the further posts and watched the videos were:
a) All this assumes mr. terrorist plays along and keeps his bracelet on when he decides to start the hijack attempt.
b) In the future I am not travelling anywhere without my laser pointer, just so I can see if I can zap someone.
c) If someone figures it out they have just been handed a way to completely nullify the entire passenger list in one go.
I see the "security expert" in the vid clip immediately went for the "we could tag paedophiles so this thing went off if they got near a school!"[1] scaremongering fuckwit. Also noticed the presenter didn't seem to mind this bracelet being forced onto people 'suspected' of things (ie currently innocent).
[1] I think he was referring to an alarm and not the tazer thing...but still.
Don't worry. The government will just spend millions trying to determine if it is a good idea or not, then abandon the project.
Damn, that's not really any better, is it?
And can we please make showing the September 11th videos solely for fear mongering/marketing a felony?
Uh, plenty of "ultra budget" airlines - ones that focus exclusively on short-distance flights - around the world do this. It turns out that when you can cram in four-five more passengers on a plane, you can save a lot of money.
and occasionally end up with one or more passengers sitting next to a baby with a full diaper for as long as two hours, but who minds?
Oh, I'm sure they mind it. It turns out however that it's an acceptable situation for a lot of people who are trying to save money and/or are in a hurry (since these flights are like every hour).
Well, yeah, I knew that...it just seemed very incongruous in a statement about the bracelets.
The first time one of these malfunctions, or a pilot zaps the wrong person, would result in the FAA, TSA, DHS and the airline being sued to oblivion. Which would be amusing to watch from a distance, but wouldn't be a positive situation for anyone.
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The baby, presumably.
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There's a lot you don't know about bracelets.
I could see myself doing this if it meant I could see my friends in Seattle an extra two or three times per year.
the "no true scotch man" fallacy.
it has made me wonder why technology like this isn't built into handcuffs?
Tasers are cheaper and more versatile.
Usually you need to stun somebody before you put the cuffs on them.
the "no true scotch man" fallacy.
People, particularly unruly people, get up and move about on airplanes, so seat numbers aren't exactly helpful. Any sort of attempt to match faces to bracelets would likely work poorly, but with hilarious results.
Not sure what method of communication they would use, but I'm pretty sure I could jury rig a laptop to make use of it. Which certainly seems like it would help to pass the time.
Sedated people don't need nearly as much personal space, you could stack them like cord wood, more so. I'm sure the airlines would love it. Those little O2 breather dealies they already have on the planes work well with laughing gas, though there might be some sort of obscure FAA regulation against bringing it on a plane.
Nah, I just figure the first one that goes off randomly on someone with a pacemaker will be enough. Or the first one that doesn't stop shocking someone throughout a cross-country flight, and causes them to wet themselves.
Do we need any more proof that you're a terrorist?
Clearly, only a terrorist would have a problem with wearing a shock bracelet.