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The Mixed Martial Arts Thread - Round 2

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  • CangoFettCangoFett Registered User regular
    edited August 2008
    You guys got it wrong, hes not fighting Shogun next. Hes gonna fight the entire Orange County Department of Corrections, then if he wins that fight, he'll be up against Shogun.

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  • GlaealGlaeal Registered User regular
    edited August 2008
    CangoFett wrote: »
    You guys got it wrong, hes not fighting Shogun next. Hes gonna fight the entire Orange County Department of Corrections, then if he wins that fight, he'll be up against Shogun.

    D:




    I got five on Rampage.

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  • PeenPeen Registered User regular
    edited September 2008
    Well, in what may go down as one of the great WTF moments in MMA history, it looks like Randy Couture is back in the UFC and will fight the much reviled Brock Lesnar for the heavyweight title in November at UfC 91.

    Obviously, they expect Couture to roll over Lesnar and await the winner of the Mir/Noguiera fight that's happening in December. But can you imagine what would happen if Lesnar won? I know, I know, that can't happen; but what if it did? It's instantly my most-anticipated fight of the year, hands down.

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  • David_TDavid_T A fashion yes-man is no good to me. Copenhagen, DenmarkRegistered User regular
    edited September 2008
    Odd fight to make. There's basically only one result that benefits the company, Coutoure winning by decision, everything else hurts them in some way.

    And the online anus pain if Lesnar wins, my gawd...

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  • DynagripDynagrip Break me a million hearts HoustonRegistered User, ClubPA regular
    edited September 2008
    I don't see how Couture winning that fight is a given.

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  • noweatnoweat Registered User regular
    edited September 2008
    brock is the ufc's best commodity, he brings in people who don't normally watch mma. basically the ufc as a business can't lose no matter who wins.

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  • mojojoeomojojoeo A block off the park, living the dream.Registered User regular
    edited September 2008
    RANDY V. Lesner in december. Wtf?
    Not a given Randy win. He has not had a great record against guys bigger than himself. And brock is freaking massive.

    i don't get all the brock hate myself- he seems to want the best fights, even if career wise he might should take some tune ups.

    Affliction must be hating life. Just looking at its already accrued debt and hating life.

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  • PantsBPantsB Fake Thomas Jefferson Registered User regular
    edited September 2008
    Lesnar is huge. He is fast for his size. He also has almost zero technique. He isn't an ideal matchup for Couture but I can't see him beating the former champ/

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  • DeadOnArrivalDeadOnArrival Registered User regular
    edited September 2008
    I don't know if you guys have already gone through this but what is the general consensus on kickboxing?

    I started a week ago and am really enjoying it thus far but when I told someone who practices judo they basically laughed at me for learning a 'fake' martial art, now I'm not sure what to think, except that if I'm enjoying myself who are they to judge?

    Am I making a mistake in anyones opinion? Should I move to a more 'official' martial art ala judo/karate?

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  • DasUberEdwardDasUberEdward Registered User regular
    edited September 2008
    I don't know if you guys have already gone through this but what is the general consensus on kickboxing?

    I started a week ago and am really enjoying it thus far but when I told someone who practices judo they basically laughed at me for learning a 'fake' martial art, now I'm not sure what to think, except that if I'm enjoying myself who are they to judge?

    Am I making a mistake in anyones opinion? Should I move to a more 'official' martial art ala judo/karate?

    Generally there is nothing wrong with kickboxing if the gym is of a decent standard.

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  • BigKevBigKev Registered User regular
    edited September 2008
    Lesnar is a horrible match-up for Randy. He dwarfs him, is a better wrestler. If Brock goes in with any kind of gameplan and limits his mistakes he definitely has the chance to win.

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  • DeadOnArrivalDeadOnArrival Registered User regular
    edited September 2008
    Point noted. The absolute last thing I want is to invest time in learning kickboxing only to later regret it and wish I had learned something else.

    I notice that in MMA match ups that Kickboxers usually seem to end up grappling on the floor - which is where they're weakest. I don't imagine they hold up too well against other martial arts? I'm not 100% on this, I don't really follow MMA matches or the UFC, but I've seen a couple videos on youtube of Kickboxers well...um...losing.

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  • GungHoGungHo Registered User regular
    edited September 2008
    PantsB wrote: »
    Lesnar is huge. He is fast for his size. He also has almost zero technique. He isn't an ideal matchup for Couture but I can't see him beating the former champ/
    What, not gonna give roid-boy a flailer's chance? He can always just run at Coture and do the windmill.
    I don't know if you guys have already gone through this but what is the general consensus on kickboxing?
    It's good cardio and you learn how to punch, kick and avoid being punched and kicked (assuming it's actual kickboxing and not Billy Tae Bo). It has a set rules system so you have to "work" to apply it to "street" situations, but you'd have to do that with judo, karate, and other "real" arts as well.
    I notice that in MMA match ups that Kickboxers usually seem to end up grappling on the floor - which is where they're weakest. I don't imagine they hold up too well against other martial arts? I'm not 100% on this, I don't really follow MMA matches or the UFC, but I've seen a couple videos on youtube of Kickboxers well...um...losing.
    Well, if that's all you learn, then, yes, that can be a problem if you're in a match. You'd also have problems if you were a straight judoka. One of my favorite fighters is Hiromitusu Miura, and he has a hell of a judo game, and his throws are fun to watch. But, he also has a good boxing game, so he can stand and strike well. What he doesn't have is a good ground game, so he has a vulnerability there (shown when he fought Carlos Condit last month).

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  • The Raging PlatypusThe Raging Platypus Registered User regular
    edited September 2008
    I don't know if you guys have already gone through this but what is the general consensus on kickboxing?

    I started a week ago and am really enjoying it thus far but when I told someone who practices judo they basically laughed at me for learning a 'fake' martial art, now I'm not sure what to think, except that if I'm enjoying myself who are they to judge?

    Am I making a mistake in anyones opinion? Should I move to a more 'official' martial art ala judo/karate?

    How typical. That judo dude is just being a douche. What constitutes an authentic martial art? One that has a long history of tradition? One that translates best into actual fight situations? It's an arbitrary distinction that does nothing but allow folks like him to hitch up their belts and display an inflated sense of pride in their chosen martial art.

    Kickboxing is perfectly valid as a martial art form, and will do wonders to help you get back in shape. If it's kickboxing of the Muy Thai bent, even better. Youtube videos of Anderson Silva to see how Muy Thai kickboxing translates into the mixed martial arts ring, you'll be wonderfully encouraged at what you'll find. :P

    Not to take anything away from judo, it's just that it's a stupid argument to make in the first place. I would actually recommend judo over other more traditional martial arts (like karate or TKD) if you're looking for something that'll translate better into real world situations.

    Anyways, good MMA fighters cross-train across various disciplines to shore up the weak points in their game. Judo or pure BJJ guys run into trouble if they don't have any stand-up. It's just a matter of taking the best of what's out there to make yourself more well-rounded as a fighter.

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  • loosecannon460loosecannon460 Registered User regular
    edited September 2008
    I don't know if you guys have already gone through this but what is the general consensus on kickboxing?

    I started a week ago and am really enjoying it thus far but when I told someone who practices judo they basically laughed at me for learning a 'fake' martial art, now I'm not sure what to think, except that if I'm enjoying myself who are they to judge?

    Am I making a mistake in anyones opinion? Should I move to a more 'official' martial art ala judo/karate?

    I assume you are taking the full-contact, sport version, so you really have nothing to worry about. Kickboxing is more of a rule set for a broad range of stand up styles (Muay Thai, Savate, Karate, etc). Chances are, the style of kickboxing you are learning is heavily influenced by Muay Thai, which is one of the oldest and respected martial arts around. I have no idea what compelled that guy to call it a "fake" martial art, he's probably delusional.

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  • DeadOnArrivalDeadOnArrival Registered User regular
    edited September 2008
    Thanks for all the responses guys, really encouraging, I'll stick with it for now.

    I'm not really sure what 'style' of kickboxing it is, other than it's advertised as 'freestyle', which I'm assuming is a mix? The 2 instructors are both qualified black belts though so it all seems good to me.

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  • GungHoGungHo Registered User regular
    edited September 2008
    "Freestyle" usually indicates a Karate/Taekwondo and boxing mix, though technically it could mean it allows techniques from any discipline. They may or may not allow elbows/knees. The quality of the training depends a lot on the trainer. If he's competed or has a stable of folks who have been to sanctioned competitions, it's probably ok.

    Understand, however, that sometimes people who are "freestyle kickboxing" teachers may have just picked up a few Tae Bo tapes. I'd definitely watch a few classes before putting down cash.

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  • MunacraMunacra Registered User regular
    edited September 2008
    As everyone has said, it depends on the kickboxing class. Your safer picking Muai Thai however, because finding a quality gym with an emphasis on sparring is much easier than finding a kickboxing place that does the same.

    Also, Judo is an art for gentlemen, so tell that practitioner to get off his high horse and show some humility! There is no place in Judo for fanfarrones, as the Spanish would say.

    I just recently learned that Randy Couture will be figthing Brock Lesnar. Although I find Brock Lesnar to be lacking as a figther in that high level of competition, he does play his act as "heel" very well. Randy Couture is probably sitting on a very cushy contract at the moment.

    And who knows? Maybe this will convince Fedor to fight in the UFC. Now that Couture is not going to Affliction, a half of the fight of the century lies securely in Dana White's chubby and pampered hands.

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  • PeenPeen Registered User regular
    edited September 2008
    There's not really been any talk about it on here, but is anyone excited for the UFC card tonight? 'Cause I'm not.

    When the two headlines are Liddell/Evans (I hope Chuck wipes him out but I could see it being long and boring) and Franklin/Hammill (almost guaranteed to be long and boring because I think you could hit Matt Hammill with a board and he wouldn't go down) there's just not much that I'm looking forward to.

    Add to that the Karo Parisyan injury that cancelled a fight I was hoping would be good, and this is kind of a weak event.

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  • sportzboytjwsportzboytjw squeeeeeezzeeee some more tax breaks outRegistered User regular
    edited September 2008
    I hope Rashard wrecks Chuck. Seems like an interesting, possibly slow, fight.

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  • [Tycho?][Tycho?] As elusive as doubt Registered User regular
    edited September 2008
    I hope Rashard wrecks Chuck. Seems like an interesting, possibly slow, fight.

    I sure wouldn't count on it. Chuck has made his career by fighting wrestlers who think they can strike. I think Rashad is perfectly suited to end up unconscious before the 2nd round is over. If Rashad does win, I think it will be strong evidence that Chuck is just getting too old needs to consider retirement.

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  • sportzboytjwsportzboytjw squeeeeeezzeeee some more tax breaks outRegistered User regular
    edited September 2008
    Oh, I would probably put money on Chuck, if I were to bet on the fight, I just HOPE Rashard wrecks him.

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  • David_TDavid_T A fashion yes-man is no good to me. Copenhagen, DenmarkRegistered User regular
    edited September 2008
    Chuck/Rashad.
    That was brutal.

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  • DynagripDynagrip Break me a million hearts HoustonRegistered User, ClubPA regular
    edited September 2008
    David_T wrote: »
    Chuck/Rashad.
    That was brutal.

    he really really bit on that fake.

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  • Matt!Matt! Registered User regular
    edited September 2008
    Chuck vs Rashad?

    That punch was obscene. Literally I am offended somehow.

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  • GlaealGlaeal Registered User regular
    edited September 2008
    Matt! wrote: »
    Chuck vs Rashad?

    That punch was obscene. Literally I am offended somehow.

    I was yelling at the TV non-stop, screaming at Chuck to knock him out. That nipple rubbing shit and showboating is fucking ridiculous.

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  • ArdeArde Registered User regular
    edited September 2008
    D:D:D:D:

    RIP Liddell.

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  • sportzboytjwsportzboytjw squeeeeeezzeeee some more tax breaks outRegistered User regular
    edited September 2008
    I'm a happy camper. Got to see Liddell get ktfo and 'Shad won, so a good evening.

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  • DynagripDynagrip Break me a million hearts HoustonRegistered User, ClubPA regular
    edited September 2008
    I do really hate that showboating. I hope he gets the fuck beaten out of him next fight.

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  • sportzboytjwsportzboytjw squeeeeeezzeeee some more tax breaks outRegistered User regular
    edited September 2008
    I don't like whining about show-boating in a high adrenaline, violent, very aggressive sport. It's one thing to hit a home-run and be a douche while you jog around the bases, but when it's two dudes about to hammer the hell out of each other, talk trash, show-boat, and get into it if that's how you roll. I understand people don't think it's "classy", but it's a fight... not a golf round.

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  • DynagripDynagrip Break me a million hearts HoustonRegistered User, ClubPA regular
    edited September 2008
    hey, you like douche-y behavior, good for you. Plenty of fighters don't pull that kind of shit.

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  • sportzboytjwsportzboytjw squeeeeeezzeeee some more tax breaks outRegistered User regular
    edited September 2008
    I don't particularly LIKE douchey behaviour, but acting pumped before/during/after a fight isn't that big of a deal to me, a.e. it's not douchey. I have MORE respect for a fighter like Silva who is always very respectful, but I didn't hear people whining about the nipple thing when it was GSP doing it...

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  • MunacraMunacra Registered User regular
    edited September 2008
    What is up with the nipple pinching thing anyway?

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  • sportzboytjwsportzboytjw squeeeeeezzeeee some more tax breaks outRegistered User regular
    edited September 2008
    I dunno. Kind of weird right?

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  • DynagripDynagrip Break me a million hearts HoustonRegistered User, ClubPA regular
    edited September 2008
    GSP does a nipple thing too? i did not know that.

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  • sportzboytjwsportzboytjw squeeeeeezzeeee some more tax breaks outRegistered User regular
    edited September 2008
    They're from the same camp, and GSP did it at his last fight. It's freaking odd.

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  • krapst78krapst78 Registered User regular
    edited September 2008
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    It's probably a Greg Jackson pre-fight ritual. Who knows, but his fighters are doing great

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  • sportzboytjwsportzboytjw squeeeeeezzeeee some more tax breaks outRegistered User regular
    edited September 2008
    So, I'm curious why people thought Rashad was a punk for his "antics" but everyone lauded GSP for wrecking his opponent. Racism, or are they just mad that Rashad wrecked Chuck?

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  • DynagripDynagrip Break me a million hearts HoustonRegistered User, ClubPA regular
    edited September 2008
    I'm sure it's racism because of how everyone loved Brock Lesnar's celebration at the end of his last fight, oh wait...

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  • sportzboytjwsportzboytjw squeeeeeezzeeee some more tax breaks outRegistered User regular
    edited September 2008
    Right, people didn't like that, and that's fair. However, Rashad and GSP did almost the EXACT SAME THING. Why is one getting derided while the other's actions were barely mentioned?

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