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SakebombSakebomb Registered User regular
edited August 2008 in Help / Advice Forum
So PAX is right around the corner, and this months bills and some unexpected expenses have made my budget pretty damn tight. (AT&T, Time Warner, Perdenales Electric and Expert Tire can suck my balls)

So Im googling around to find info on a short term loan.
I’m thinking $3000 would do me in nicely. $1000 for PAX and use the rest to pay off credit card balances while im at it. It'd be nice I could pay it off over a year.

I’ve heard many many horror stories associated with this type of thing.
I was in the middle of filling out an application with Pioneer Military Lending, hoping my AGR (full-time National Guard) status could score me some low rates, when I decided to check into their background first and found a Rip-Off Report summarizing their unethical practices, and nickel&dime hidden fees.

EDIT: Also, I have an average credit score, and two credit cards with only $1000 limits, and both balances are pretty high atm...

tl,dr: Can anyone recommend a good loan shark?

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  • GanluanGanluan Registered User regular
    edited August 2008
    In most cases, these short term loans will have extraordinarily high APRs, so you'll be paying out the ass . Is it not possible to go to your bank - especially if you can get some type of break on it for having military status?

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  • SakebombSakebomb Registered User regular
    edited August 2008
    Yeah, I use Compass Bank. They give two-shits about that fact that Ive been a loyal customer with a steady income for the past 6 years, and they laugh at my lack of credit history. Plus they only deal in larger loans.

    Looking into Bank of America right now, since I have my secure cc thru them

    EDIT: BoA just denied my app...bastards. I will get a letter expalining why in 7-10 buisness days

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  • Monolithic_DomeMonolithic_Dome Registered User regular
    edited August 2008
    You should skip PAX this year. Loaning money to do this is a really bad idea.

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  • SixSix Caches Tweets in the mainframe cyberhex Registered User regular
    edited August 2008
    Financially, this is an extremely poor decision. The rate on any kind of loan you\'ll likely get will end up being even higher than your credit cards. You\'re better off just opening a new credit card that offers a low introductory rate.

    Even then, borrowing money for this kind of thing is a really bad idea.

    Six on
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  • KyouguKyougu Registered User regular
    edited August 2008
    Pretty much what everyone says. You're going to get a huge rate, and even the lowest one you find from these lenders will still be larger than average at a bank, or a cc (since you said you wanted to use the loan to pay off cards.)

    And yeah, this is a bad idea in general. Loans like those should be taken as an emergency only type deal, and are usually aimed at people with bad credit who can't get loans through other means. I should know since I had to borrow from them once to pay off a car repair bill. Luckily my credit's improve, and more importantly, my money handling abilities.

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  • Lord YodLord Yod Registered User regular
    edited August 2008
    Seems to me that instead of getting a loan to go to PAX this year, you should maybe just take care of your bills and save up the money to go next year.

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  • SixSix Caches Tweets in the mainframe cyberhex Registered User regular
    edited August 2008
    Google \"predatory lending\" and see if this is really the best decision for you at the moment.

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  • Durandal InfinityDurandal Infinity Registered User regular
    edited August 2008
    Lord Yod wrote: »
    Seems to me that instead of getting a loan to go to PAX this year, you should maybe just take care of your bills and save up the money to go next year.

    I fully agree there are times in life when you have to tell yourself no. This is one of them, get out of debt STAY OUT of debt. Id suggest cutting back on your expenditures till you get everything paid off. There is nothing more aggravating then dealing with high APR rotating debt

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  • GanluanGanluan Registered User regular
    edited August 2008
    This reminds me of an ad I saw for those "call for cash" places. In the fine print at the bottom it said the APR is 99%! How that's even legal is beyond me.

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  • OrganichuOrganichu poops peesRegistered User regular
    edited August 2008
    Even if you could get a 0% interest rate it's not smart to spend $1,000 on something you can't really afford.

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  • SakebombSakebomb Registered User regular
    edited August 2008
    Has anyone had a good experience with a lending network, or a loan company?

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  • KyouguKyougu Registered User regular
    edited August 2008
    Sakebomb wrote: »
    Has anyone had a good experience with a lending network, or a loan company?

    Did you just skip over every post? If so, let me summarize them.

    DON'T DO THIS.

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  • SixSix Caches Tweets in the mainframe cyberhex Registered User regular
    edited August 2008
    Sakebomb wrote: »
    Has anyone had a good experience with a lending network, or a loan company?

    Yeah, maybe it’s time to let someone else manage your money. You don’t seem to have the knack for it.

    Six on
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  • 3lwap03lwap0 Registered User regular
    edited August 2008
    Kyougu wrote: »
    Sakebomb wrote: »
    Has anyone had a good experience with a lending network, or a loan company?

    Did you just skip over every post? If so, let me summarize them.

    DON'T DO THIS.

    Seriously OP, how old are you? Do you have any concept of financial responsibility, or the giant fucking hole you are digging yourself into? You don't need to go to PAX, and you sure as fuck don't need to pay off credit cards with a huge fucking interest loan that will rape you for years to come.

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  • ThylacineThylacine Registered User regular
    edited August 2008
    Sakebomb wrote: »
    Yeah, I use Compass Bank. They give two-shits about that fact that Ive been a loyal customer with a steady income for the past 6 years, and they laugh at my lack of credit history. Plus they only deal in larger loans.

    Looking into Bank of America right now, since I have my secure cc thru them

    EDIT: BoA just denied my app...bastards. I will get a letter expalining why in 7-10 buisness days

    Try Randolf Brooks Federal Credit Union. I know they have locations in Austin(I live in San Marcos). I was at Compass...they are AWFUL. I hate that bank. My direct deposited paycheck from Target(obviously good for the money) that was put in at 12AM on Friday would be held until Monday with all funds inaccessable to me. The last straw was when on a holiday weekend they were closed Monday, so my money just wasn't there but they pushed a whole bunch of checks/charges through Tuesday morning, gave me a whole bunch of overdraft fees and THEN credited my money and then took it to pay said fees! >:( not to mention their overdraft fee was $35...I wasn't happy and I closed my account.

    RBFCU has been really good to us. I would recommend anyone go with a credit union over a bank.

    At least at my credit union, you can get small holiday/vacation loans through them that usually have about a 6% interest fee and you can choose to pay them off over 6months or 1 year. Typically it's about $1000-$1500 I've gotten, and if your credit cards have really bad interest I would recommend perhaps taking out a small loan to pay off the card and then paying down the loan. More of your money will actually go to paying it off rather than credit card fees. When you pay the minimum on those all the money pretty much goes towards interest.

    I'd also skip PAX this year if it's going to cost $1000. That just seems like an awful lot when, like you said, you have other things to take care of.

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  • ArdorArdor Registered User regular
    edited August 2008
    A possible issue on why the OP wants to do this, is perhaps he's already paid for non-refundable hotel rooms or airplane tickets etc.

    First off, short term lending advice that I've seen given here is both common and fairly accurate. Unless you can borrow money from good friends or family, rates will be high. If you don't have much of a credit rating or history, you are a huge risk and liability to whoever loans you money.

    OP, if this is going to hurt you financially for a long time, it may be best to simply cut your losses on whatever you have already spent and let it go. While not necessarily a good option, it may be your best option as we don't know enough to give you advice other than what you are being given currently.

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  • DeathwingDeathwing Registered User regular
    edited August 2008
    At least at my credit union, you can get small holiday/vacation loans through them that usually have about a 6% interest fee and you can choose to pay them off over 6months or 1 year.

    I could be completely wrong here, but considering that by his own admission the OP already has an average credit score and 2 credit cards that are closer to being maxed than not....I think getting a 6% rate on a personal loan is rather unlikely. For example, I just looked at my credit union's website (NASA Federal), and the minimum rate on a personal loan is 9.99% atm.

    The giant limed advice in the post above is still the best.

    EDIT:
    This thread has been polluted with self righteousness. I have all the info I need.

    You asked for advice, and you received it several times. Calling it "self righteousness" because you don't like what you heard is pretty silly.

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  • RUNN1NGMANRUNN1NGMAN Registered User regular
    edited August 2008
    This is the moment in your life where you will, one way or another, learn a very important lesson in fiscal responsibility. Whether you learn that lesson the hard way or the easy way is your choice.

    This is about as fucked up as all those families you see walking around Disneyworld who must have funded their $50,000 trip to the land of enchantment with a second mortgage on their house. Hope their kids like community college!

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  • SakebombSakebomb Registered User regular
    edited August 2008
    Ok, lock please.

    This thread has been polluted with self righteousness. I have all the info I need.

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  • KyouguKyougu Registered User regular
    edited August 2008
    Sakebomb wrote: »
    Ok, lock please.

    This thread has been polluted with self righteousness. I have all the info I need.

    Don't ask for advice if you only want to hear someone that will agree with you.

    When people are telling you the same thing over and over again, they may be onto something.

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  • OrganichuOrganichu poops peesRegistered User regular
    edited August 2008
    I don't know about everyone else but I'm not trying to be self righteous. I am typing from a shitty 3br house that I can't afford, and with loaded debt. I am not in an ivory tower. I'm trying to help you because I made poor decisions and you sound like you're going to.

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  • SakebombSakebomb Registered User regular
    edited August 2008
    Kyougu wrote: »
    Sakebomb wrote: »
    Ok, lock please.

    This thread has been polluted with self righteousness. I have all the info I need.

    Don't ask for advice if you only want to hear someone that will agree with you.

    When people are telling you the same thing over and over again, they may be onto something.

    I know its not the greatest idea in the world.
    I wanted info on personal loans, not lectures on why I shouldnt do it.

    Get over yourself


    Organichu:
    Understandable, thanks anyway

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  • DjiemDjiem Registered User regular
    edited August 2008
    This forum is for HELP and ADVICE.
    They're giving you help and advice. It doesn't mean answering the one question you're asking. Your question is WRONG. You SHOULD NOT do this. DON'T DO IT. Jesus fucking christ, JUST DON'T.
    While it's not a direct answer to your question, it is good help AND advice, we're trying to help you not make a huge mistake.

    Here's an info on personal loans: They're bad. Don't do it.
    Better?

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  • SixSix Caches Tweets in the mainframe cyberhex Registered User regular
    edited August 2008
    Google predatory lending near your zip code.

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  • DeathwingDeathwing Registered User regular
    edited August 2008
    I know its not the greatest idea in the world.
    I wanted info on personal loans, not lectures on why I shouldnt do it.

    Get over yourself

    People are giving you "lectures" because you're basically asking us to recommend a good way to shoot yourself in the foot (or worse) financially. No matter how much you want it to be otherwise, getting a loan for this purpose is a BAD IDEA.

    And lest you think i'm coming from some sort of ivory tower also, my living costs (DC metro area) and debt (student loans, yay!) most likely outweigh yours by quite a bit.

    Nobody here is saying NO just for the sake of being a jerk, we are trying to save you from making a huge mistake.

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  • TasteticleTasteticle Registered User regular
    edited August 2008
    real life happens. forget about going to pax and deal with things responsibly: don't take out a loan.

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  • GoodOmensGoodOmens Registered User regular
    edited August 2008
    Alright, if you're convince that you want to do this, and actually want advice as to how to do this, I think your best bet would be to contact your credit card companies and request an increase in your credit limit. That way you can pay using the cards you already have, which will likely have a lower interest rate than any personal loan you would find. Short-terms or payday loans tend to be terrible in terms of interest, and should only every be used in emergencies. Paying a credit card off with a personal loan is almost always a bad idea. You can Google for a loan calculator (there are lots of them out there) and compare different interest rates to see what long-term effect they'll have.

    You could also try opening a new credit card with 0% or low introductory interest, though if you do that too often it tends to lower your credit score. At any rate, you're really just robbing Peter to pay Paul if you do this...you'll save a little in intrest, but you still have to end up paying it back.

    That said, it sounds like you're about to make a terrible decision. Borrowing a thousand dollars to go to a video game convention is a terrible decision, even given how wicked cool PAX will be. You can convince yourself that people are being self-righteous and make that terrible decision if you want to. Or you can suck up your pride and realize that sometimes people know what the fuck they're talking about.

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  • DarkewolfeDarkewolfe Registered User regular
    edited August 2008
    Also in the D.C. metro area, also experienced with staying just above the poverty line...

    My self righteous advice over here is that you're ALREADY doing things VERY WRONG. You're in for 2k worth of credit card debt that you can't pay off without taking another loan? That's already doing exactly the wrong thing, if you have any hope of ever being financially stable. I'd recommend not only paying your credit cards off, but cancelling them and trying to live cash only for awhile. It teaches you a hell of a lot about money, instead of the future debt most people operate in.

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  • RUNN1NGMANRUNN1NGMAN Registered User regular
    edited August 2008
    If I come across as self-righteous, it's because my wife and I just spent the last year paying off about $15K in credit card debt (which involved selling my car), and I'm about to take on quite possibly over $100K in student loans to pay for law school. For a long time I was like you and only thought about the immediate future, and I wanted all the best stuff right away. I wish I hadn't because $15K in my pocket sounds pretty sweet right now.

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  • NostregarNostregar Registered User regular
    edited August 2008
    Even though you'll ignore this like you're ignoring everyone else, I agree with the "don't take a loan for a video game convention" advice.

    That being said, you seem to have your own reasons for thinking it is a good idea. I'm wondering what they are. Why is it worth putting yourself further into debt for this?

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  • SakebombSakebomb Registered User regular
    edited August 2008
    Nostregar wrote: »
    Even though you'll ignore this like you're ignoring everyone else, I agree with the "don't take a loan for a video game convention" advice.

    That being said, you seem to have your own reasons for thinking it is a good idea. I'm wondering what they are. Why is it worth putting yourself further into debt for this?

    Well, I have never dealt with loans or credit cards before this year, because I never had too.
    Im 25, I have a secure state job, 6 years of steady income, and I make 41k a year.
    But, I have less than a years worth of credit history, so banks dont even want to talk to me. Even though I pay my almost all my balance every month. Pisses me off to no end.

    I already paid for tickets and lodging to PAX, but after bills this month, Im only gonna have about $100 to spend. And I was thinking, I take out an under-the-table loan for 3k, pay off both my credit card balances (so my credit rating will go up),and have xtra spending $$ for PAX. Whoopie!

    Id totally be willing to pay up to a 30% APR for it (I know, I know, I know, again, Ive had enough lectures to last me a year)

    The trouble is finding a lender that will deal with such a small amount at a reasonable interest rate. Like the others said, most online lenders can fine-print your ass into a 350% APR.

    I mean, its not too unreasonable to ask for 3k now, as long as I give you 4k by next year.

    So the best advice I got from this thread was to stay the hell away from online lenders. I put up a bid on a peer2peer lending site, however my state's laws say the max APR I can request is 8.9%. So my chances are pretty slim. meh.

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  • CooterTKECooterTKE Registered User regular
    edited August 2008
    go to your bank and take out a personal loan for say $5000 (if you can) to be paid back over the next couple years. Use what you can to pay off the credit card (however make sure not to put money back on them for a while). By paying off the personal loan you will build credit fairly fast. However you can get yourself into some financial problems if you dont watch the credit card spending while doing this.

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  • noir_bloodnoir_blood Registered User regular
    edited August 2008
    You know what, I'm going to act self righteous here. Wanna know why? Cause everyone that's given you the same advice knows better than you. That's right, in this case, you're doing an absolutely fucking stupid thing.

    If you already have your lodging and your hotel, take the fucking 100 dollars and go. You can eat cheaply for the what, 2-3 days you're there and live without whatever you were planning to buy with 1000 dollars.

    More importantly, the fact that you are seriously considering this, along with how apparently despite making 41k a year, you can still find yourself in a situation with less than a 100 dollars is pretty damn irresponsible.

    Grow up.

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  • SakebombSakebomb Registered User regular
    edited August 2008
    noir_blood wrote: »
    You know what, I'm going to act self righteous here. Wanna know why? Cause everyone that's given you the same advice knows better than you. That's right, in this case, you're doing an absolutely fucking stupid thing.

    If you already have your lodging and your hotel, take the fucking 100 dollars and go. You can eat cheaply for the what, 2-3 days you're there and live without whatever you were planning to buy with 1000 dollars.

    More importantly, the fact that you are seriously considering this, along with how apparently despite making 41k a year, you can still find yourself in a situation with less than a 100 dollars is pretty damn irresponsible.

    Grow up.

    Do you feel better now that you have put yourself on a high horse so you can look down on me?

    I dont know alot about loans, I came here looking for info, I got it, despite people like you throwing in thier "holier than thou" comments like you just did.

    Would you like to judge me on anything else today kind sir?

    I swear to fucking christ, it is goddam impossible for people to be civil on these boards.
    CooterTKE wrote: »
    go to your bank and take out a personal loan for say $5000 (if you can) to be paid back over the next couple years. Use what you can to pay off the credit card (however make sure not to put money back on them for a while). By paying off the personal loan you will build credit fairly fast. However you can get yourself into some financial problems if you dont watch the credit card spending while doing this.

    See, this guy here. Unbiased info. I cannot thank you enough Cooter.
    But yeah, my bank denied me today...
    Wondering if its worth it to try another bank or just wait it out on the p2p borrowing ad thingy.


    Edit edit:
    Or just nevermind entirely. screw it, no big deal.
    damn, these forums get me fired up too easily

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  • noir_bloodnoir_blood Registered User regular
    edited August 2008
    Sakebomb wrote: »
    Do you feel better now that you have put yourself on a high horse so you can look down on me?

    I dont know alot about loans, I came here looking for info, I got it, despite people like you throwing in thier "holier than thou" comments like you just did.

    Would you like to judge me on anything else today kind sir?

    I swear to fucking christ, it is goddam impossible for people to be civil on these boards.

    The reason so many people are getting upset is because many of them(including myself) have been in bad debt situations before, a lot of them caused by stupid decisions. So when we see a stupid decision in the making(which yours really is) and try to talk you out of it, you take offense to it.

    Why can't you go to PAX with the 100 dollars you have? Why is it so important for you to go? I mean, even if you have room and lodging already paid for, you come out less in the red by not going than by going. Is it really worth it?

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  • SakebombSakebomb Registered User regular
    edited August 2008
    noir_blood wrote: »
    Sakebomb wrote: »
    Do you feel better now that you have put yourself on a high horse so you can look down on me?

    I dont know alot about loans, I came here looking for info, I got it, despite people like you throwing in thier "holier than thou" comments like you just did.

    Would you like to judge me on anything else today kind sir?

    I swear to fucking christ, it is goddam impossible for people to be civil on these boards.

    The reason so many people are getting upset is because many of them(including myself) have been in bad debt situations before, a lot of them caused by stupid decisions. So when we see a stupid decision in the making(which yours really is) and try to talk you out of it, you take offense to it.

    Why can't you go to PAX with the 100 dollars you have? Why is it so important for you to go? I mean, even if you have room and lodging already paid for, you come out less in the red by not going than by going. Is it really worth it?

    I take offense to it because theres a big difference between:
    "Hey Sakebomb, thats not such a good idea, maybe you should reconsider"
    and
    "Youre fucking stupid, grow up"

    If youre gonna be a dick, I'm gonna be a dick right back. (Im a Libra:P)
    But nevertheless, I managed to copy and paste some decent info in between the angry rants.

    But yeah, I figured, money now that I could pay off later and improve my credit score at the same time would be nice, but, meh, dosent look like its gonna work out. Legitimate lenders dont wanna deal with me, and I cant find a sleazy one with an acceptable level of sleaziness.

    Oh well.

    Sakebomb on
  • PheezerPheezer Registered User, ClubPA regular
    edited August 2008
    No one called you fucking stupid, and no one has been even particularly close to being unacceptably rude or impolite towards you. If you throw a fit like this in H/A again I'm giving you an infraction for it. Stop being a shitty little brat because no one thinks you're doing a smart thing.

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