Ok, deeply tangential issue. When did "tire swing" or "riding the tire swing" enter political shorthand, and what exactly does it mean. Knowing Fournier (AP Washington bureau chief, former Pub press guy and lobbied hard by the McCain campaign to come on board, olol liberal media) and the article in question I assume it's some variant on concern trolling, but what are the specifics?
One of Josh Marshall's readers introduced it on TPM on like, Wednesday? And he liked it so I guess he's using it.
OK, I've been involved in politics in PA for a decade but I was still shocked by the media love-fest at McCain's Ranch. I knew things were different in DC but this is like finding out your sister in the big city who seems to date a lot is actually a streetwalker. In response I hereby coin the term "Swinging on the Tire" to describe a reporter who has gotten way too cozy with a politician and has had their supposed objectivity affected.
Please feel free to use this term or even making it into an award like one of Sullivan's.
I think we are beginning to see some reporters start to question McCain's statements and perhaps more importantly, they are starting to question if the John McCain they knew and adored was the real John McCain. They've given him a pass on just about everything up until now but I think you will slowly start to see that change. Once the truth starts to come out, I think the polls will swing back to Obama
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So are Mccain and Biden ever going to have a chance to debate each other or something similar? Because man, if there was one dude who could get Mccain to blow his stack it'd have to be Biden. I mean, just from watching his stuff on Guiliani he can be just brutal.
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"Joe Biden is the right partner for Barack Obama. His many years of distinguished service to America, his seasoned judgment and his vast experience in foreign policy and national security will match up well with the unique challenges of the 21st Century. An Obama-Biden ticket is a very impressive and strong team. Biden's selection is good news for Obama and America."
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The idea that your vote is a moral statement about you or who you vote for is some backwards ass libertarian nonsense. Your vote is about society. Vote to protect the vulnerable.
Yeah, I think having to remove your own president because he developed a debilitating mental condition would be MUCH worse then having him be shot.
I meant in the context of likeliness. Having the SS around is a pretty good block against an assassination, but how exactly are you gonna prevent a guy, whose old age is already rendering him more and more vulnerable to disease, from getting Alzheimer's or other diseases that don't have cures?
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So are Mccain and Biden ever going to have a chance to debate each other or something similar? Because man, if there was one dude who could get Mccain to blow his stack it'd have to be Biden. I mean, just from watching his stuff on Guiliani he can be just brutal.
You keep telling yourself that right up until November, but I guarantee you that here in the real world, Joe Biden will not be doing anything between now and then other than making certain that John McCain does not win the presidency.
Well considering his ability to get the Democratic Nomination color me unimpressed.
You keep telling yourself that right up until November, but I guarantee you that here in the real world, Joe Biden will not be doing anything between now and then other than making certain that John McCain does not win the presidency.
Well considering his ability to get the Democratic Nomination color me unimpressed.
I feel this will not help win in November.
You were hoping for the Obama/Obama ticket, weren't you.
You keep telling yourself that right up until November, but I guarantee you that here in the real world, Joe Biden will not be doing anything between now and then other than making certain that John McCain does not win the presidency.
Well considering his ability to get the Democratic Nomination color me unimpressed.
I feel this will not help win in November.
It might not help but at least its not hurting like almost every other possible vp candidate. I think Biden was the safe pick.
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Biden voted against the President's FISA bill every step of the way. :^:
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The idea that your vote is a moral statement about you or who you vote for is some backwards ass libertarian nonsense. Your vote is about society. Vote to protect the vulnerable.
You keep telling yourself that right up until November, but I guarantee you that here in the real world, Joe Biden will not be doing anything between now and then other than making certain that John McCain does not win the presidency.
Well considering his ability to get the Democratic Nomination color me unimpressed.
I feel this will not help win in November.
That mostly measured fundraising ability and who the media thought was interesting (hint: not the white males).
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The idea that your vote is a moral statement about you or who you vote for is some backwards ass libertarian nonsense. Your vote is about society. Vote to protect the vulnerable.
Halperin reported two days ago that he picked Romney, but hasn't confirmed it absolutely.
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The idea that your vote is a moral statement about you or who you vote for is some backwards ass libertarian nonsense. Your vote is about society. Vote to protect the vulnerable.
Ok, deeply tangential issue. When did "tire swing" or "riding the tire swing" enter political shorthand, and what exactly does it mean. Knowing Fournier (AP Washington bureau chief, former Pub press guy and lobbied hard by the McCain campaign to come on board, olol liberal media) and the article in question I assume it's some variant on concern trolling, but what are the specifics?
One of Josh Marshall's readers introduced it on TPM on like, Wednesday? And he liked it so I guess he's using it.
OK, I've been involved in politics in PA for a decade but I was still shocked by the media love-fest at McCain's Ranch. I knew things were different in DC but this is like finding out your sister in the big city who seems to date a lot is actually a streetwalker. In response I hereby coin the term "Swinging on the Tire" to describe a reporter who has gotten way too cozy with a politician and has had their supposed objectivity affected.
Please feel free to use this term or even making it into an award like one of Sullivan's.
I think we are beginning to see some reporters start to question McCain's statements and perhaps more importantly, they are starting to question if the John McCain they knew and adored was the real John McCain. They've given him a pass on just about everything up until now but I think you will slowly start to see that change. Once the truth starts to come out, I think the polls will swing back to Obama
I knew I'd read it somewhere. It just didn't stick because it's so damn random. I mean, I suppose you could build a case for it as a disparaging term, but he just puts it up and then moves on to things completely unrelated.
Seems like he'd want someone younger than Lieberman. And a lot more shiny. I guess I could see Romney as that would win the economic issue for him, but a woman wouldn't be a bad choice.
Seems like he'd want someone younger than Lieberman. And a lot more shiny. I guess I could see Romney as that would win the economic issue for him, but a woman wouldn't be a bad choice.
Appointing a hedge fund manager shows you understand the economy or shows you understand how to fuck over the little guy? One ad about Romney shipping jobs overseas and Michigan solidifies against McCain and Ohio tightens enormously.
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LePetomane/Lamarr works just as well for McCain/Romney, too.
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Seems like he'd want someone younger than Lieberman. And a lot more shiny. I guess I could see Romney as that would win the economic issue for him, but a woman wouldn't be a bad choice.
Appointing a hedge fund manager shows you understand the economy or shows you understand how to fuck over the little guy? One ad about Romney shipping jobs overseas and Michigan solidifies against McCain and Ohio tightens enormously.
Who needs romney for that? McCain seems to have done a good job supporting sending jobs overseas all by himself.
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Seems like he'd want someone younger than Lieberman. And a lot more shiny. I guess I could see Romney as that would win the economic issue for him, but a woman wouldn't be a bad choice.
Appointing a hedge fund manager shows you understand the economy or shows you understand how to fuck over the little guy? One ad about Romney shipping jobs overseas and Michigan solidifies against McCain and Ohio tightens enormously.
Who needs romney for that? McCain seems to have done a good job supporting sending jobs overseas all by himself.
Yeah, but he wasn't "directly" responsible for it while running a corporation. Dick Devos ran for Governor here in 2006 and the ads Granholm used showing he shipped jobs overseas as the CEO of Amway absolutely destroyed him.
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It seems like the noise from the right is that this is a choice that shows Obama is anti-change because Biden's been in the Congress for so long and all.
Romney was like the worst case scenario potential nominee during the Republican primary (he was getting 35% in general election match-ups). I can't believe the press still takes him seriously.
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It seems like the noise from the right is that this is a choice that shows Obama is anti-change because Biden's been in the Congress for so long and all.
Those darn Beltway insiders from Scranton with their sub-seven figure net worths and their daily 80 minute Amtrak commutes from Delaware. They'll never know the struggle and hardship of dumping your first wife for a young, hot $100 million beer baroness!
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It seems like the noise from the right is that this is a choice that shows Obama is anti-change because Biden's been in the Congress for so long and all.
Those darn Beltway insiders from Scranton with their sub-seven figure net worths and their daily 80 minute Amtrak commutes from Delaware. They'll never know the struggle and hardship of dumping your first wife for a young, hot $100 million beer baroness!
This would be how, Kagera.
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The idea that your vote is a moral statement about you or who you vote for is some backwards ass libertarian nonsense. Your vote is about society. Vote to protect the vulnerable.
It seems like the noise from the right is that this is a choice that shows Obama is anti-change because Biden's been in the Congress for so long and all.
Those darn Beltway insiders from Scranton with their sub-seven figure net worths and their daily 80 minute Amtrak commutes from Delaware. They'll never know the struggle and hardship of dumping your first wife for a young, hot $100 million beer baroness!
This would be how, Kagera.
Also, my random rant from last night. Obama is the ideas guy, Biden is there specifically because he's willing to speak harshly to Obama when they disagree (disarming any old quotes) and because he knows how to get things done in Washington.
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I'm getting a Clinton-Gore vibe from the Obama-Biden ticket. Anyone else?
The ticket Obama/Biden is most similar to in appearance and basic dynamic, unfortunately, is Bush/Cheney. On pure politics it's a great choice, but you know we're going to get a ton of these stories form the MSM (and the blogs, to be fair, but there's so much crazy there no one will care about that).
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Especially since thats not a quick change.
One of Josh Marshall's readers introduced it on TPM on like, Wednesday? And he liked it so I guess he's using it.
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I meant in the context of likeliness. Having the SS around is a pretty good block against an assassination, but how exactly are you gonna prevent a guy, whose old age is already rendering him more and more vulnerable to disease, from getting Alzheimer's or other diseases that don't have cures?
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That would be amazing.
Well considering his ability to get the Democratic Nomination color me unimpressed.
I feel this will not help win in November.
You were hoping for the Obama/Obama ticket, weren't you.
It might not help but at least its not hurting like almost every other possible vp candidate. I think Biden was the safe pick.
Jesus. There is no way he could lose with that VP.
That mostly measured fundraising ability and who the media thought was interesting (hint: not the white males).
I don't think they'd see eye to eye on many issues...
Halperin reported two days ago that he picked Romney, but hasn't confirmed it absolutely.
Well it'd certainly solidify Obama as the Anti-Christ meme.
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I knew I'd read it somewhere. It just didn't stick because it's so damn random. I mean, I suppose you could build a case for it as a disparaging term, but he just puts it up and then moves on to things completely unrelated.
God, I love that movie.
Biden can just outright call people on things because he's "That guy who's kind of an asshole but also completely right."
This is a good combination.
Appointing a hedge fund manager shows you understand the economy or shows you understand how to fuck over the little guy? One ad about Romney shipping jobs overseas and Michigan solidifies against McCain and Ohio tightens enormously.
I approve.
Who needs romney for that? McCain seems to have done a good job supporting sending jobs overseas all by himself.
Yeah, but he wasn't "directly" responsible for it while running a corporation. Dick Devos ran for Governor here in 2006 and the ads Granholm used showing he shipped jobs overseas as the CEO of Amway absolutely destroyed him.
What if Jesus is pro-choice?
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Witty. So how should Obama combat that meme then?
Those darn Beltway insiders from Scranton with their sub-seven figure net worths and their daily 80 minute Amtrak commutes from Delaware. They'll never know the struggle and hardship of dumping your first wife for a young, hot $100 million beer baroness!
This would be how, Kagera.
They don't have to. It will be left by the wayside in a few days and then crushed to pieces by the Democratic Convention.
Also, my random rant from last night. Obama is the ideas guy, Biden is there specifically because he's willing to speak harshly to Obama when they disagree (disarming any old quotes) and because he knows how to get things done in Washington.
Your faith in the average American voter is greater than mine.
The ticket Obama/Biden is most similar to in appearance and basic dynamic, unfortunately, is Bush/Cheney. On pure politics it's a great choice, but you know we're going to get a ton of these stories form the MSM (and the blogs, to be fair, but there's so much crazy there no one will care about that).