So i'm thinking about selling spore...

cpugeek13cpugeek13 Registered User regular
edited September 2008 in Games and Technology
... and buying a game with more depth.

Right now I'm thinking about three games:

Civ4
Sins of a Solar Empire
Football Manager 2008 (i'm a big soccer fan)

I'm using a laptop right now, so my choices are a bit limited. Still, I'm curious what you all think I should buy. Also, multiplayer would be a big plus.

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  • The_ScarabThe_Scarab Registered User regular
    edited September 2008
    Explain to me how you can possibly buy a game with more depth than Spore when Spore is ostensibly infinite in design.

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  • chasmchasm Ill-tempered Texan Registered User regular
    edited September 2008
    World in Conflict. It's awesome. Or Company of Heroes.

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  • KhavallKhavall British ColumbiaRegistered User regular
    edited September 2008
    The_Scarab wrote: »
    Explain to me how you can possibly buy a game with more depth than Spore when Spore is ostensibly infinite in design.

    Yeah like.


    Ok I can see complaints with spore.


    But depth? That is like the one thing that cannot be complained about with it.

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  • VerrVerr Registered User regular
    edited September 2008
    The_Scarab wrote: »
    Explain to me how you can possibly buy a game with more depth than Spore when Spore is ostensibly infinite in design.

    Seeing as i've never played the game before, I can't really speak to the truth of this, but somebody in the Spore thread said that the actual things you can design tops around 150, like the stats of the monsters, where as the "mess around in the creator with colors" are theoretically infinite.

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  • The_ScarabThe_Scarab Registered User regular
    edited September 2008
    Verr wrote: »
    The_Scarab wrote: »
    Explain to me how you can possibly buy a game with more depth than Spore when Spore is ostensibly infinite in design.

    Seeing as i've never played the game before, I can't really speak to the truth of this, but somebody in the Spore thread said that the actual things you can design tops around 150, like the stats of the monsters, where as the make a buildings things are theoretically infinite.

    No. Ive been playing the creature creator for months and it is infinite.

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  • ChewyWafflesChewyWaffles Registered User regular
    edited September 2008
    The_Scarab wrote: »
    Explain to me how you can possibly buy a game with more depth than Spore when Spore is ostensibly infinite in design.

    Spore has breadth, not depth.

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  • The Dude With HerpesThe Dude With Herpes Lehi, UTRegistered User regular
    edited September 2008
    Then sell it and buy a different game. Why couldn't this go in the spore thread?

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  • ChewyWafflesChewyWaffles Registered User regular
    edited September 2008
    Who me? No, every stage is a relatively shallow version of some other game, but there are lots of them. It's the classic "mile wide and inch deep". Breadth, not depth.

    That is all.

    EDIT: and, yah, this belongs in the Spore thread.

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  • HazzHazz Registered User regular
    edited September 2008
    Football Manager 2009 is out in October and they're actually working on worthwhile overhauls this year, so wait for that.

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  • The Dude With HerpesThe Dude With Herpes Lehi, UTRegistered User regular
    edited September 2008
    Why did you just post the same thing twice?

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  • AntihippyAntihippy Registered User regular
    edited September 2008
    Verr wrote: »
    The_Scarab wrote: »
    Explain to me how you can possibly buy a game with more depth than Spore when Spore is ostensibly infinite in design.

    Seeing as i've never played the game before, I can't really speak to the truth of this, but somebody in the Spore thread said that the actual things you can design tops around 150, like the stats of the monsters, where as the "mess around in the creator with colors" are theoretically infinite.

    Look into the Sporepedia and you can easily find more than 150 designs.

    Still though, if you're going to sell Spore, at least put it towards Civ 4.

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  • bsjezzbsjezz Registered User regular
    edited September 2008
    civ4 is much, much better than spore

    spore's a cool enough novelty but its depth exists only in the potential for an infinitum of different-but-still-fairly-similar aesthetic changes

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  • VerrVerr Registered User regular
    edited September 2008
    Whoops, sorry about starting the debate.

    Why does this belong in the Spore thread? The guy (who admittedly starts it with a pretty provocative title) just was asking for a recommendations on a new game.

    EDIT: When I said 150 designs, I meant like 150 stats differences, like speed, carnivore/herbivore, etc... But again, I could be remembering it wrong.

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  • cpugeek13cpugeek13 Registered User regular
    edited September 2008
    I think anyone who says that spore has depth is either A) a 7 year old or B) lives in opposite land. Its silly to argue against that fact.

    I wish i could get CoH or WiC, but unfortunately my computer can't run those. Graphics wise, Spore pushed my computer pretty much to its limits :-(

    My roommate also told me that Civ4 might not work, but i have a hard time believing that.

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  • bsjezzbsjezz Registered User regular
    edited September 2008
    i've run civ4 on one laptop with just 512mb of ram and integrated graphics, and one with 256mb ram and some weak-arse seperate graphical memory... if you have more than that on either counts, you'll be right

    just don't install the expansions right away because they bump up the requirements

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  • The Dude With HerpesThe Dude With Herpes Lehi, UTRegistered User regular
    edited September 2008
    cpugeek13 wrote: »
    I think anyone who says that spore has depth is either A) a 7 year old or B) lives in opposite land. Its silly to argue against that fact.

    I wish i could get CoH or WiC, but unfortunately my computer can't run those. Graphics wise, Spore pushed my computer pretty much to its limits :-(

    My roommate also told me that Civ4 might not work, but i have a hard time believing that.

    way to go right to attacking anonymous people on your 4th post!

    I think there's an achievement for that or something.

    Do you actually want suggestions on a game or do you just want to bitch about spore and anyone who likes it?

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  • RainbowDespairRainbowDespair Registered User regular
    edited September 2008
    Civ 4 is one of the deepest and most enjoyable games of all time so I'd definitely pick that up if it interests you.

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  • OrogogusOrogogus San DiegoRegistered User regular
    edited September 2008
    bsjezz wrote: »
    i've run civ4 on one laptop with just 512mb of ram and integrated graphics, and one with 256mb ram and some weak-arse seperate graphical memory... if you have more than that on either counts, you'll be right

    just don't install the expansions right away because they bump up the requirements

    Civ 4 requires a video card that can handle hardware transform and lighting and pixel shaders. If you have a computer with an integrated card that doesn't have these features, then you end up with glitches like the ground and ocean not showing up, or the game just not working.

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  • zilozilo Registered User regular
    edited September 2008
    You can't, in good conscience, sell Spore knowing that activating it yourself has crippled it for whoever you sell it to. Your CD key is bound to your Spore login.

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  • cpugeek13cpugeek13 Registered User regular
    edited September 2008
    There has to be a way to transfer it to a different account. If not, i will change the password on mine and give it to him.

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  • Desert_Eagle25Desert_Eagle25 Registered User regular
    edited September 2008
    zilo wrote: »
    You can't, in good conscience, sell Spore knowing that activating it yourself has crippled it for whoever you sell it to. Your CD key is bound to your Spore login.

    That's like saying "its impossible" to sell MMO accounts.

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  • WickerBasketWickerBasket Registered User regular
    edited September 2008
    The_Scarab wrote: »
    Explain to me how you can possibly buy a game with more depth than Spore when Spore is ostensibly infinite in design.
    He was talking about spore as a game, not as a creation tool. As a tool for making things Spore has tons of depth, but as a game it's pretty simplistic and shallow.

    It's one game made up of five shallow games. It was fun while it lasted but it didn't last long.

    Edit: Buy Sins of a Solar Empire.

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  • AntithesisAntithesis Registered User regular
    edited September 2008
    cpugeek13 wrote: »
    Sins of a Solar Empire

    This.

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  • Vincent GraysonVincent Grayson Frederick, MDRegistered User regular
    edited September 2008
    The_Scarab wrote: »
    Verr wrote: »
    The_Scarab wrote: »
    Explain to me how you can possibly buy a game with more depth than Spore when Spore is ostensibly infinite in design.

    Seeing as i've never played the game before, I can't really speak to the truth of this, but somebody in the Spore thread said that the actual things you can design tops around 150, like the stats of the monsters, where as the make a buildings things are theoretically infinite.

    No. Ive been playing the creature creator for months and it is infinite.

    While true, it's not "deep" in terms of the gameplay options your creativity allows, as there's only 4 abilities and 4 or 5 potential levels of those abilities. Even less so in the other modes. The game is anything but deep from a gameplay standpoint.

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  • zilozilo Registered User regular
    edited September 2008
    cpugeek13 wrote: »
    There has to be a way to transfer it to a different account. If not, i will change the password on mine and give it to him.

    All EA multiplayer games use the same central service (including 360/PS3), so if you give up your Spore account you're giving that up as well. Could be ugly if you've bound your console ID, or played recent Battlefield games or whatever. Just FYI.

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  • bsjezzbsjezz Registered User regular
    edited September 2008
    The_Scarab wrote: »
    Verr wrote: »
    The_Scarab wrote: »
    Explain to me how you can possibly buy a game with more depth than Spore when Spore is ostensibly infinite in design.

    Seeing as i've never played the game before, I can't really speak to the truth of this, but somebody in the Spore thread said that the actual things you can design tops around 150, like the stats of the monsters, where as the make a buildings things are theoretically infinite.

    No. Ive been playing the creature creator for months and it is infinite.

    i found the creature creator vastly more entertaining than the game itself

    the way you build creatures in the full game takes the focus away from building unique looking characters and places it on being railroaded into arbitrary things for the sake of an uninspiered clicking game

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  • sethsezsethsez Registered User regular
    edited September 2008
    Spore has plenty of depth as a creature creator but is as shallow as a kiddie pool when it comes to the actual game.

    I'm going to agree with everyone else on Civ 4. You could also check out Romance of the Three Kingdoms XI, which just came out for the PC in English and is a lot of fun, but doesn't have the sheer massive scale of a Civ game. It also might not work too well on your laptop, but there is a demo out there.

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  • psycojesterpsycojester Registered User regular
    edited September 2008
    cpugeek13 wrote: »
    I think anyone who says that spore has depth is either A) a 7 year old or B) lives in opposite land. Its silly to argue against that fact.

    I wish i could get CoH or WiC, but unfortunately my computer can't run those. Graphics wise, Spore pushed my computer pretty much to its limits :-(

    My roommate also told me that Civ4 might not work, but i have a hard time believing that.

    way to go right to attacking anonymous people on your 4th post!

    I think there's an achievement for that or something.

    Do you actually want suggestions on a game or do you just want to bitch about spore and anyone who likes it?

    Remember folks blind fanboyism in the face of obvious facts is like papal edict and to contradict it makes you a bad person.

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  • Desert_Eagle25Desert_Eagle25 Registered User regular
    edited September 2008
    cpugeek13 wrote: »
    I think anyone who says that spore has depth is either A) a 7 year old or B) lives in opposite land. Its silly to argue against that fact.

    I wish i could get CoH or WiC, but unfortunately my computer can't run those. Graphics wise, Spore pushed my computer pretty much to its limits :-(

    My roommate also told me that Civ4 might not work, but i have a hard time believing that.

    way to go right to attacking anonymous people on your 4th post!

    I think there's an achievement for that or something.

    Do you actually want suggestions on a game or do you just want to bitch about spore and anyone who likes it?

    Remember folks blind fanboyism in the face of obvious facts is like papal edict and to contradict it makes you a bad person.

    I dont see what's wrong. The guy is absolutely right. Spore has about as much depth as a 5 year old girl (hit me if I went too far.)

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  • PolloDiabloPolloDiablo Registered User regular
    edited September 2008
    I say you didn't go too far enough!
    We need a statutory rape smiley.

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  • zilozilo Registered User regular
    edited September 2008
    Yeah, seriously.

    Stop having fun over there in the Spore thread, dammit! Don't you guys know how much that game sucks? Stop enjoying it! :evil:

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  • cpugeek13cpugeek13 Registered User regular
    edited September 2008
    I understand how spore could be fun to some people. In fact, if i had a better computer then maybe the graphics could be a saving grace. But on my laptop its a laggy, shallow mess that could really be filled by another game. I think I might buy Civ 4, but i want to know if anyone thinks Sins (or Football Manager) would be a better purchase.

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  • PolloDiabloPolloDiablo Registered User regular
    edited September 2008
    Civ 4, definitely.

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  • sethsezsethsez Registered User regular
    edited September 2008
    zilo wrote: »
    Yeah, seriously.

    Stop having fun over there in the Spore thread, dammit! Don't you guys know how much that game sucks? Stop enjoying it! :evil:

    Just because some people enjoy a game doesn't mean everyone has to, or shouldn't express their dislike of it. And Spore is hardly universally loved right now... the whole deep/fun argument has popped up on pretty much every game forum, so it's not as though it's just a few disgruntled people hating the new popular thing.

    In any case, this thread was started by a guy asking for games deeper than Spore, not telling you to sell your copy.
    cpugeek13 wrote: »
    I understand how spore could be fun to some people. In fact, if i had a better computer then maybe the graphics could be a saving grace. But on my laptop its a laggy, shallow mess that could really be filled by another game. I think I might buy Civ 4, but i want to know if anyone thinks Sins (or Football Manager) would be a better purchase.
    I adore Sins. ADORE it. That said, it's harder to tell if you'll like it than Civ. Civ is a safe bet, Sins is more of a gamble. They're both fantastic, so really go with whichever one appeals to you more.

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  • psycojesterpsycojester Registered User regular
    edited September 2008
    cpugeek13 wrote: »
    I think anyone who says that spore has depth is either A) a 7 year old or B) lives in opposite land. Its silly to argue against that fact.

    I wish i could get CoH or WiC, but unfortunately my computer can't run those. Graphics wise, Spore pushed my computer pretty much to its limits :-(

    My roommate also told me that Civ4 might not work, but i have a hard time believing that.

    way to go right to attacking anonymous people on your 4th post!

    I think there's an achievement for that or something.

    Do you actually want suggestions on a game or do you just want to bitch about spore and anyone who likes it?

    Remember folks blind fanboyism in the face of obvious facts is like papal edict and to contradict it makes you a bad person.

    I dont see what's wrong. The guy is absolutely right. Spore has about as much depth as a 5 year old girl (hit me if I went too far.)

    Thats exactly what i was trying to say through the sarcasm.

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  • AntihippyAntihippy Registered User regular
    edited September 2008
    Civ 4 probably takes more to run spore, though I'm not entirely sure.

    But yeah, Civ 4.

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  • Desert_Eagle25Desert_Eagle25 Registered User regular
    edited September 2008
    cpugeek13 wrote: »
    I think anyone who says that spore has depth is either A) a 7 year old or B) lives in opposite land. Its silly to argue against that fact.

    I wish i could get CoH or WiC, but unfortunately my computer can't run those. Graphics wise, Spore pushed my computer pretty much to its limits :-(

    My roommate also told me that Civ4 might not work, but i have a hard time believing that.

    way to go right to attacking anonymous people on your 4th post!

    I think there's an achievement for that or something.

    Do you actually want suggestions on a game or do you just want to bitch about spore and anyone who likes it?

    Remember folks blind fanboyism in the face of obvious facts is like papal edict and to contradict it makes you a bad person.

    I dont see what's wrong. The guy is absolutely right. Spore has about as much depth as a 5 year old girl (hit me if I went too far.)

    Thats exactly what i was trying to say through the sarcasm.

    See, i was agreeing with you and disagreeing with the fanboy. You thought my quote was directed at you when it was directed at him. I love misunderstandings! lets go share a cupcake now.

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  • ZenitramZenitram Registered User regular
    edited September 2008
    Civ 4 is amazing, especially with Beyond the Sword.

    World In Conflict is great, just have a decent machine for it (It's like ground control in the sense that it's a tactical RTS without micromanagement).

    Medieval II: Total War has a lot of depth too.

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  • AegeriAegeri Tiny wee bacteriums Plateau of LengRegistered User regular
    edited September 2008
    I would get sins of a solar empire. It's immensely scalable and the developers are awesome, people who deserve the support of PC gamers.
    The_Scarab wrote: »
    Explain to me how you can possibly buy a game with more depth than Spore when Spore is ostensibly infinite in design.

    It doesn't have depth, merely the illusion of being deep. If I compared spore to a swimming pool, it would be a mile long and roughly 5 inches deep the whole way across. Enough to paddle in but insufficient to really swim. I was heavily disappointed, but then again, I'm not sure what I was actually expecting.

    Edit: I'd like to make it 100% clear, that this is also completely fine but it isn't at all what I wanted or expected from the game (obviously, I was mistaken). I find spore immensely unsatisfying from a gameplay point of view and highly disconnected, much like a series of mini-games that never really go far enough to be interesting. Unfortunately, this is just how the game needed to be designed given the scope that it has, but I find it ultimately very unsatisfying.

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  • LlyLly Registered User regular
    edited September 2008
    Aegeri wrote: »
    It doesn't have depth, merely the illusion of being deep. If I compared spore to a swimming pool, it would be a mile long and roughly 5 inches deep the whole way across. Enough to paddle in but insufficient to really swim. I was heavily disappointed, but then again, I'm not sure what I was actually expecting.

    That swimming pool sounds awesome.

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