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James Bond 007: Quantum of Solace
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(Also, if anyone's read Moonraker, the book would make a fucking awesome movie, unlike the completely unrelated film we got).
Connery was good in the role, just getting a little too silly at the end.
I actually liked Lazenby. I think if he'd stuck with it, he would've been really good.
Moore was just plain terrible in my opinion. It was like most of his films were actually parodies. At the end it had gotten to the point that you'd just have to replace him with Austin Powers and you'd be ready to go.
Dalton was fantastic. He could've been a bit more suave, but the dark, grittiness was great.
Brosnan was good in Goldeneye, but then it all went downhill from there.
Also, though this is the last Flemming title, none of the Brosnan films used Flemming titles. Just sayin'.
I can't wait to see Quantum of Solace. I've gone out of my way to avoid trailers and previews so it's all fresh when I see it.
in physics talk it means the smallest amount or size possible.
anyway I love the restart. It's cut the ridiculous bloat from the last few movies. I mean, did you see those pieces of shit? They were absurd. It reminds me of Nolan's take on the Batman franchise, like "what would happen if this shit actually happened?"
You're supposed to see a film smashed or high the second time, not the first (unless it's a film that can only be enjoyed that way, which doesn't apply here).
I'll see it the next night.
the first thing I read on it was them shooting a car crash with digital cameras and the article detailed the INSANE amount of data being recorded per second by all of these state of the art cameras. I don't remember it exactly so no point in guessing but it sounded shit hot. can't wait.
edit - I pretty much agree with flippy. I like Moore, Connery, and Brosnan pretty much equally to be honest, but Brosnan's movies sucked after Goldeneye (not his fault) and I don't honestly know the full breadth of either Connery's or Moore's Bond catalog.
But yeah, that's also a usage of the word.
This is exactly why I love this movie. Not only is it "believable" in the same way the Bourne movies can be, but I can recommend Casino Royale without reservation to anybody who loves a good, smart action flick. "You don't like Bond movies, you say, but have you given Casino Royale a shot?"
I found Casino Royale to be kind of boring, quite a lot of the second part dragged for me and it felt too long because of this. The new trailer was before The Dark Knight and I'm just not interested, which is a shame. It's the first Bond movie that I haven't been gagging to see and that makes me a sad panda.
Y'know whats great? The fucking James Bond theme. Seriously, it's a fantastic piece of movie music that can easily be fiddled around with for varoius uses.
Y'know what else is great, Bond action scenes. I can't really put my finger on it, but when I got to 00:36 below, I nearly cheered in the cinema
To me, this is Bond. And awesome.
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Also, this is so very fine
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Haha I remember how much I loved that now
Power sliding a tank.
I also like it because I understand it, but none of my friends or family would know what a quantum is, indeed virtually nobody would. If they've heard the word it would be from Star Trek or something.
Its a neat name, but really only for people with a bit of physics background, otherwise I'm sure it just sounds like fancy nonsense.
Yeah, Jeffrey Wright is damned good. Check out Ride With The Devil if you haven't yet.
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It's not too much of a stretch to describe Ian Fleming's Bond as a sociopathic serial rapist. Dude had some serious issues with women.
Are there many rape scenes in Bond films?
I can't recall any.
There were a few scenes in various Roger Moore films that came close. That dude just wouldn't take no for an answer.
Oh yeah, definitely- though a lot of that was just the 1950s in general. This is the same character who cured Pussy Galore's lesbianism with his cock, after all. (I think they even kept that in Goldfinger, though it might be more implied...)
The movies tend to have little to no relation to the books pretty quick, though. A lot of them are chopped-up and remixed.
What the fuck is that?
Is that David Bowie making fun of Quantum of Solace?
Those girls were just trying to hide how much they wanted it.
But yeah, I really think the obvious issues he had with women are more an artifact of the times. People in 50 years might look back on Casino Royale and be like "Wow, that guy is a douche."
Also, if any of you guys haven't seen the original Casino Royale with Peter Sellers and David Niven, I'd highly highly recommend it. If you have Netflix, it's available on the Instant Viewing thing.
Also, "Quantum of Solace" sounds like it should be the new Castlevania, not a Bond film.
That said, I'm looking forward to seeing this very much.
You know we should really be calling it "Solace" for short. The only reason to use Quantum is if you don't know what that means.
Which is probably fair, I guess.
It's two pints to one quantum.
yeah but it's because he's not "bond" yet
hence the vodka martinis, hence the YOUR PUNY BUILDING SITE DRYWALL CANNOT STOP MEE, etc.
If they're smart, they'll make him less impetuous but still prone to mistakes and still vulnerable to being outmaneuvered. So like, he'll do most things right and then still find he's been realistically compromised.
Hehe, I loved that martini bit.
"Vodka martini."
"Shaken or stirred, sir?"
"I don't GIVE A FUCK!"
It was "do I look like I give a damn?"
But yes, that was gold.
(Sorry, I just watched this again two or three days ago.)
I know; they don't say fuck in Bond movies.
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All roads of his problems with women in the books lead back to Vesper, though, which is why it'll be interesting to see how they take bond in this movie and where he stands as far as his relationship with women. At the end of Casino Royale Bond positively despised Vesper, and while they kept the "the bitch is dead" line at the tail end of the movie, I got the impression movie Bond didn't really think she was a bitch, and was still very much in love with her. Then again, this may be a factor of modernizing the story more than anything else.
Then again, the circumstances in the book were very different to that of the movie.
In the books Bond hated her - and generally saw women as nothing but objects - until On Her Majesty's Secret Service, when he's destroyed again but this time by the love of his life being taken rater than betraying him. So he went back the same again.
This doesn't come across as well in the movies because the books have a very different Chronological order. For those who've never read the books (and you really should), here's the differences in order:
Casino Royale
VS. Le Chiffre. Movie is very faithful to the book just with more action scenes - all the airport stuff is new, for example - all we're told in the book is Le Chiffre took a gamble on the stock market with his client's money and it all went south. In the course of the book Bond falls for Vesper, but she betrays him and kills herself - if I remember correctly with cyanide.
Live and Let Die
Largely unrelated to the overarching plot, very similar to the movie at least in the characters and overall plot. The book elements that were dropped later show up in For Your Eyes Only and License to Kill. Quarrel "Junior" introduced in the movie as the son of Quarrel - is actually the original Quarrel in this book, as the book chronology sees Quarrel introduced in this, dying in Dr. No.
Moonraker
Different to the movie. Doesn't include any inspired by Star Wars space bullshit and is a standard issue but delicious nuclear weapon stealing/threatening plot ala Thunderball. Hugo Drax is still the villain and very much the same character, and there are some plot elements shared with the movie.
Diamonds Are Forever
Largely similar to the movie, but there is no SPECTRE or Blofeld yet, so it is pretty much just Bond trying to work out what's going on with this smuggling ring.
From Russia with Love
Very similar to the movie, but again no SPECTRE or world threat - the novel is entirely based around the Russian Special Agency trying to entrap and ruin Bond for taking down so many of their agents.
Dr No
Similar to movie. Bond switches to Walther PPK - thus the scene with M telling him to ditch the Berreta in the movie - Q is introduced.. Yet again no SPECTRE or Blofeld. Instead of being a SPECTRE agent, Dr. No is a Russian operative.
Goldfinger
Pretty much identical to the movie, including the famous golf game, the top hat and whatnot. Main difference is Bond and Oddjob never fight - he turns out to be on the plane at the end of the movie, and when it depressurises, he gets sucked out while Bond stabs Goldfinger to death.
For Your Eyes Only
Shares plot elements with the movie such as the Bond girl and the reason her father was killed and why Bond is assigned, but is otherwise largely different. This also lends plot elements to License to Kill & A View to a Kill.
Thunderball
First introduction of SPECTRE and Blofeld, very much like the movie. Blofeld has a much larger presence in the book than in the movie where he's just a disembodied voice, but is still miles from the action and never meets Bond.
The Spy Who Loved Me
Nothing like the movie, written from the perspective of one of Bond's lovers, and considered by some to be almost outside of the main Canon.
On Her Majesty's Secret Service
Identical to movie or near enough - Blofeld plans revenge on Bond - kills his wife, Bond is left in ruins at the end of the movie.
You Only Live Twice
Similar in a way to the movie - but this version portrays a dejected Bond who M is on the verge of letting go. M assigns him a near-impossible mission the hopes he'll quit, but when unexpectly Blofeld turns up in the mission Bond flies off the handle and really goes for it to avenge his wife. He has a sword duel with Blofeld and strangles him to death, but escaping his exploding lair smashes his own head in and loses his memory. He gets engaged to a Japanese woman who helped him with his mission, and genuinely believes he's a Japanese fisherman. She doesn't tell him his identity, because she knows he'll leave her. At the end of the book, Bond is browsing through her belongings and finds stuff pertaining to his identity - mistakenly suggesting to him he'll find information about his past in Russia. At the end of the book his wife-to-be (he never marries her) is pregnant. Bond does indeed (in the books at least) have at least one son out there.
The Man with the Golden Gun
A year on, within the service, bond is presumed dead, killed in the explosion at Blofeld's lair. Out of nowhere, Bond turns up in London demanding to see M. He's interrogated and his identity proved - and he's let in to see M. He tries to kill M. It transpires that he headed ro Russia from Japan, and, not knowing who he was - ended up captured. The Russians soon realised they could use this to their advantage, and brainwashed Bond into thinking he was a Russian double agent - and then sent him to kill M. After time being deprogrammed, Bond is offered the chance to earn his job back by M by taking out a famed assassin. From there, the book is similar to the movie.
Octopussy - Similar(ish) to the movie.
The Living Daylights - Same characters and overall plot, but the movie is vastly different outside of the characters and basic plot (the entire plot of the book is the first half an hour or so of the movie.)
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Casino Royale (book)
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uh... the guy a few posts above yours just listed them all in chronological order.
So, I guess I'd start with the first one...
Definitely. I've read Casino Royale, Moonraker, and The Man With the Golden Gun. All fantastic.
The books are usually as good as the villain in them. Moonraker has a fantastic villain, while the spivs in Diamonds are Forever are pretty bland. Also, his casual racism and misogyny may grate on modern sensibilities, and sometimes he appears to lose interest in his own plots towards the end.
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I love Craig's new Bond. He's a bit more built than I'd have cast, but then when he's wearing a suit, he seems a bit more in proportion... I think he's great for the new style. I thought Brosnan was good as bond, and it was such a shame that the movies became a series of train-wrecks after Goldeneye...
I assume that they will keep him hyper-physical, and that M wont know whether he's lost the plot or not.
He had the best handle on the character, he was offered the role after Connery when he was only 22, if he had been given the chance to make Bond movies before the 80's bullshit action era he might not come off so badly...
In fact, The Living Daylights intro actually had bond as a sniper / counter sniper assasin...first time in the films he was actually doing something resembling the characters actual job.