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Retro Remakes: One Step Forward, One Step Back

Professor SnugglesworthProfessor Snugglesworth Registered User regular
edited October 2008 in Games and Technology
This year, Capcom took a bold but brilliant move in remaking two of their most popular franchises, in two different graphical styles.

With Bionic Commando Rearmed, the original game got a HD facelift while receiving some modernized performance tweaks and additions. With Megaman 9, Capcom went a few steps backward to recreate the Blue Bomber's 8 bit adventures, from the graphics and music and the unmerciful difficulty.

So in this thread, take two of your favorite games, and choose which one you'd like to see get the BC:R treatment (HD graphics, tweaks) and which you'd like to see go back to its 8 bit to 16 bit roots (MM9).

1. The HD Treatment:

Blaster Master

A friend gave me this choice out of the blue when I asked him this question, but I liked it so much I'm making it my own. Blaster Master would totally rock with a HD 2D remake, with just a few tweaks here and there. I don't remember it being too difficult aside from some of the bosses.

1. The Retro Treatment:

Final Fantasy:

Just to clarify, I'm not asking that one of the original games gets remade for the umpteenth time, but instead I would love an original FF story and setting using the old 16 bit style last seen in FFVI. I know there's still a few original titles that use sprites (FFXII: Revenant Wings), but none of them use the old ATB system. I want an FF game that looks and plays like the first six titles, maybe with a new job or relic-based system, and perhaps some animated enemies too.

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  • DeathPrawnDeathPrawn Registered User regular
    edited October 2008
    I'd love to see a Prince of Persia game that integrates all of the elements from the new games (well, maybe not the emo prince) into a 2D platformer resembling the original PoP.

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  • VrayVray Registered User regular
    edited October 2008
    I'd kind of like to see a HD update to Wonderboy in Monsterland. How many heros are polite enough to knock on an enemy's door before entering to destroy them?

    So many quarters eaten

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  • MJMJ Registered User regular
    edited October 2008
    DeathPrawn wrote: »
    I'd love to see a Prince of Persia game that integrates all of the elements from the new games (well, maybe not the emo prince) into a 2D platformer resembling the original PoP.

    Close

    I wish EA would resurrect Road Rash, catchy rockin' ethnic tunes and all. I would love to have some next gen high octane motorcycle combat, only with less Lucky Luc. :x Maybe throw in a story to the madness.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Bv_lndn9pw

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  • StupornautStupornaut Registered User regular
    edited October 2008
    I'd love to see an HD revival of River City Ransom. Modernize the RPG elements just a little, keep the art style but add crisper textures and more fluid animation -- maybe even make it 2D-plane 3D (a'la SFIV) to solve the hit-detection issues that usually crop up in 2D beat-em-ups. Just preserve just about everything else from the original gameplay (and especially the original script, characterization, art style and music), and you've got something.

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  • DehumanizedDehumanized Registered User regular
    edited October 2008
    I'd like to see a HD remake of Full Throttle. I'd like to see a 8/16 bit demake of Dead Rising. It doesn't have 'retro roots', but I think it'd be fun.

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  • Ah_PookAh_Pook Registered User regular
    edited October 2008
    MJ wrote: »
    I wish EA would resurrect Road Rash, catchy rockin' ethnic tunes and all

    road rash... ethnic tunes? more like FUCKING SOUNDGARDEN!

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xr2hwYSxytk&NR=1


    alternate replies: more like FUCKING SWERVEDRIVER!, more like FUCKING PAW!, etc


    i would play the shit out of a new Road Rash game though, hell yea. assuming it was better than that last 3D version which is best forgotten about.

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  • LittleBootsLittleBoots Registered User regular
    edited October 2008
    I would like to see a remake (or just a graphical update) to Twisted Metal 2. It was the best in the series but it's so painful to look at now, gameplay is gold though.

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  • Xenogears of BoreXenogears of Bore Registered User regular
    edited October 2008
    I hope the OP knows that they did in fact make a sequel to FFIV using a tweaked FFIV Advance engine, and that game is most likely getting a wiiware port in the near future. :P

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  • Professor SnugglesworthProfessor Snugglesworth Registered User regular
    edited October 2008
    I'm aware of the sequel, not completely sure if that qualifies for my dream project or not. And the wiiware port is just a rumor, but hopefully it ends up true.

    And hopefully you won't have to buy each episode individually through DLC either.

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  • Xenogears of BoreXenogears of Bore Registered User regular
    edited October 2008
    Meh. FF IV The After is coming, I'm absolutely sure of it. They'll probably bundle it a bit though.

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  • maximumzeromaximumzero I...wait, what? New Orleans, LARegistered User regular
    edited October 2008
    What would I like a 3D remake of?

    Hmm. I'll have to think about that one for a moment.

    I'm having a seriously difficult time thinking of a retro game that I truly enjoyed that doesn't already have some sort of modern equivalent.

    And my choice for stepping back in time, like most is Sonic. However, we've gotten 3 bitchin' Sonic Advance titles, 2 awesome Sonic Rush titles, and a totally cool Neo Geo Pocket title, so I'm not gonna mention Sonic.

    I...I'm at a loss. :(

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  • maximumzeromaximumzero I...wait, what? New Orleans, LARegistered User regular
    edited October 2008
    Okay, so here's one I just thought of that I'd love a 3Dmake of:

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    Fuck, you know just the entire MECC back library. Amazon Trail, Dinosaur Tycoon, and so on.

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  • TiemlerTiemler Registered User regular
    edited October 2008
    Wasn't there an updated sequel to Oregon Trail where it was revealed that the westward migration was really a test for humanity, and while some wagons were loaded down with food, others had just a bunch of wagon axles, while others had only men, etc?

    Or am I confusing it with another franchise?
    Seriously, though, how fucking cool would Fallout Trail be?

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  • -SPI--SPI- Osaka, JapanRegistered User regular
    edited October 2008
    I'd like to see a HD remake of Full Throttle. I'd like to see a 8/16 bit demake of Dead Rising. It doesn't have 'retro roots', but I think it'd be fun.
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    ?

    Speaking of which I would love to see Final Fight 1,2 and 3 get the Bionic Commando Rearmed treatment. In one big release.

    Also where the fuck is the Zero Mission style remake of Metroid 2? That game needs it badly.

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  • redraptorredraptor Registered User regular
    edited October 2008
    I want this.

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    I also want a 2D 16 bit Shadow of the Colossus platformer made by the people who made

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    or

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  • EvilBadmanEvilBadman DO NOT TRUST THIS MAN Registered User regular
    edited October 2008
    Over in the Halloween scary game thread, someone posted a link to a terrible looking project of Zombies Ate My Neighbors. It is pretty awful, but don't tell any of them that.

    Anyways, that. Done by a good studio, in top down or over the shoulder 3d.

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  • Professor SnugglesworthProfessor Snugglesworth Registered User regular
    edited October 2008
    -SPI- wrote: »
    I'd like to see a HD remake of Full Throttle. I'd like to see a 8/16 bit demake of Dead Rising. It doesn't have 'retro roots', but I think it'd be fun.
    deadrising.jpg
    ?

    Speaking of which I would love to see Final Fight 1,2 and 3 get the Bionic Commando Rearmed treatment. In one big release.

    Also where the fuck is the Zero Mission style remake of Metroid 2? That game needs it badly.

    Is...is that a game hack of Final Fight, but with zombies? Or just that one screenshot?
    EvilBadman wrote: »
    Over in the Halloween scary game thread, someone posted a link to a terrible looking project of Zombies Ate My Neighbors. It is pretty awful, but don't tell any of them that.

    Anyways, that. Done by a good studio, in top down or over the shoulder 3d.

    Someone already made a scary game thread this year? I was going to do that next. :(
    What would I like a 3D remake of?

    Hmm. I'll have to think about that one for a moment.

    I'm having a seriously difficult time thinking of a retro game that I truly enjoyed that doesn't already have some sort of modern equivalent.

    And my choice for stepping back in time, like most is Sonic. However, we've gotten 3 bitchin' Sonic Advance titles, 2 awesome Sonic Rush titles, and a totally cool Neo Geo Pocket title, so I'm not gonna mention Sonic.

    I...I'm at a loss. :(
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  • MaddocMaddoc I'm Bobbin Threadbare, are you my mother? Registered User regular
    edited October 2008
    Am I at all a masochist for wanting to see an HD remake of this?

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  • SoulGateSoulGate Registered User regular
    edited October 2008
    I was going to make a topic, but I hope you don't mind if I ask this question here. Should I buy the Bionic Commando: rearmed, or MM9? My money is tight but I want to play both. Which is a better picK?

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  • Kuribo's ShoeKuribo's Shoe Kuribo's Stocking North PoleRegistered User regular
    edited October 2008
    yes, let's remake some more final fantasy games

    that's just what we need

    I'm tired of Final Fantasy. All of it.

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  • UnbreakableVowUnbreakableVow Registered User regular
    edited October 2008
    I would like a spiffy, 3D HD remake of Great Greed, Namco's greatest RPG that no one played. It was an early Game Boy game.

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  • HappylilElfHappylilElf Registered User regular
    edited October 2008
    The Commander Keen games could be glorious.

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  • Kuribo's ShoeKuribo's Shoe Kuribo's Stocking North PoleRegistered User regular
    edited October 2008
    I can't think of a game I want to be remade, but if I could get ducktales 1 and 2 on the vc, I would be a happy man.

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  • UnbreakableVowUnbreakableVow Registered User regular
    edited October 2008
    I can't think of a game I want to be remade, but if I could get ducktales 1 and 2 on the vc, I would be a happy man.

    !!

    There was a DuckTales 2? Why the fuck was I unaware?

    Also, Chip and Dale.

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  • LorkLork Registered User regular
    edited October 2008
    I want

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    With modern physics, controls, graphics, AI, and standards for voice acting.

    As for the other way around, I want to see a good 2D Sonic game. Rush didn't work out too well, but that doesn't mean they should stop trying. They'll get it right one day; they have to!

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  • FeralFeral MEMETICHARIZARD interior crocodile alligator ⇔ ǝɹʇɐǝɥʇ ǝᴉʌoɯ ʇǝloɹʌǝɥɔ ɐ ǝʌᴉɹp ᴉRegistered User regular
    edited October 2008
    Ocarina of Time

    Because for being one of the greatest console games of all time, it's horrendously ugly by modern standards.

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  • Dr Mario KartDr Mario Kart Games Dealer Austin, TXRegistered User regular
    edited October 2008
    I could go for a 2D sprite, side-scrolling Adventure of Link for DS, graphics updated to Contra 4/Metal Slug 7 levels.

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  • Dodge AspenDodge Aspen Registered User regular
    edited October 2008
    I would love to see someone bring back Street Fighter 2010. It was a side scroller where you played as a cybernetic Ken Masters battling aliens. Awesome pew-pew platforming. I want it for VC, but a re-drawn version for ds or XBLA would be sweeter.

    I would also love to see Super Mario All-Stars: 2008. The first 4 Super Mario games with incredible, updated art, but identical game play.

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  • LlyLly Registered User regular
    edited October 2008
    A 3d remake of The Lost Vikings would be pretty fantastic.

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  • RainbowDespairRainbowDespair Registered User regular
    edited October 2008
    SoulGate wrote: »
    I was going to make a topic, but I hope you don't mind if I ask this question here. Should I buy the Bionic Commando: rearmed, or MM9? My money is tight but I want to play both. Which is a better picK?

    Which original game did you like better? I was a big fan of Mega Man back in the day and had scarcely even heard of Bionic Commando. Not surprisingly, I loved MM9 and was kind of meh about Bionic Commando.

    Oh and I'd love to see another 8-bit Zelda game. Preferably with an easy to use level editor & a quality online level sharing system.

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  • AnakinOUAnakinOU Registered User regular
    edited October 2008
    I would also love to see Super Mario All-Stars: 2008. The first 4 Super Mario games with incredible, updated art, but identical game play.

    New Super Mario All-Stars would sell like hotcakes.

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  • FCDFCD Registered User regular
    edited October 2008
    Since it was(at least in the US) the first Metroidvania-style Castlevania, I'd like to see Castlevania II: Simon's Quest given the remake treatment, ideally on the DS or PSP. With the addition of modern graphics, a better translation and NPCs who don't lie to you, I feel that it would complement the modern Castlevania games quite well. Also, maybe make the day/night cycle less abrupt, and put an actual duck in the graveyard as a secret Easter Egg for the fans :lol:

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  • RohanRohan Registered User regular
    edited October 2008
    I would like a HD update of Ocarina of Time (on Wii 2, obviously). No changes to anything but the graphics, because the gameplay is as close to perfect as possible.

    Edit - Didn't see Feral's post, that's what I get for just reading page one and then just pressing the reply button.

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  • ZaylenzZaylenz Registered User regular
    edited October 2008
    I just want to second the call for an HD update for the original Blaster Master, in 2d of course. I loved that game as a kid, even if I never actually beat it.

    As for other games, I want a full 3d remake of the old Aces of the Pacific or Aces Over Europe games. It's been way too long since I've been able to play a good, somewhat arcady combat flight sim. Make it somewhat like the Ace Combat series except with World War II fighters and a much less cheesy story. :)

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  • shyguyshyguy Registered User regular
    edited October 2008
    I'm wondering if we won't get a New Super Mario All-Stars within the lifetime of the DS. Now that GBA games are harder and harder to come by, the Mario Advance Series will soon have netted Nintendo all the money it's going to. It would take minimal effort on their part to just bundle all the Mario Advance games onto one DS cart or go a step further and redo the graphics for the first four Mario games.

    They could even do a sequel where they did the same to the Mario Land series.

    At any rate, I'm going to say Sonic is easily the most in need of a new retro game. Even the 2D Sonic games that haven't been horrible (like the Rush series) don't have classic Sonic gameplay. They have something that sort of approximates it (but not really). The last Sonic game to actually have classic Sonic gameplay was Sonic Pocket Adventure and that was almost ten years ago. Sonic gameplay is about momentum, not speed; modern Sonic engines get that wrong.

    I'd also like to see an HD remake of Mortal Kombat 2 because it would look hilarious.

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  • GrudgeGrudge blessed is the mind too small for doubtRegistered User regular
    edited October 2008
  • FCDFCD Registered User regular
    edited October 2008
    Oh, and another one that just occurred to me, though it'll never happen, is Destiny of an Emperor. It was an old RPG for the NES based on Romance of the Three Kingdoms. I'd love to see that given a facelift ala the DS Dragon Quests.

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  • SheepSheep Registered User, __BANNED USERS regular
    edited October 2008
    I'm absolutely horrified that this isn't even on the Virtual Console.

    I love this game

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    A remake would be fine with me.

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  • Raijin QuickfootRaijin Quickfoot I'm your Huckleberry YOU'RE NO DAISYRegistered User, ClubPA regular
    edited October 2008
    Graphically enhanced remake....Guardian Legend!

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    Demake....Final Fantasy. I want to see a brand new final fantasy using the FFVI engine and gameplay.

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  • LorkLork Registered User regular
    edited October 2008
    DeathPrawn wrote: »
    I'd love to see a Prince of Persia game that integrates all of the elements from the new games (well, maybe not the emo prince) into a 2D platformer resembling the original Pop.
    Wasn't there a GBA game that was exactly this? Not to mention the XBLA remake of the original PoP.

    I swear, Ubisoft is the west's answer to Capcom.

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