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For the longest time now I have played games. Probably since I was around the age of 4. I am 21 years old now, and for the life of me I can't get excited enough to play and beat these newer games.
These "new" games all look the same: single man/marine/soldier is lost in space/lost under water/lost on a planet/lost in a city and needs to over come a corrupt gang/government/group of baddies while remaining in standard FPS form. Sure the graphics are there, but what connects us to these silent anti-hero protagonists? What makes us like them? What makes them the anti-hero? What makes us want to continue through the battlefield?
I find myself falling further and further from the gaming tree. I have a Wii currently and that might be a problem because the only games I play on it aside from VC games are Super Smash Bros. Brawl and Mario Kart. I would love to have more RPGs to choose from, but even they seem to be getting harder and harder to find.
IMO, you need to look past general AAA titles. It takes effort because AAA gets the marketing & the buzz. They're marketed because they're expected to sell. They're expected to sell because they follow successful formulas. Bleh.
Check out smaller publishers like Atlus. Persona3 brought me back into gaming after being burned out awhile myself.
These "new" games all look the same: single man/marine/soldier is lost in space/lost under water/lost on a planet/lost in a city and needs to over come a corrupt gang/government/group of baddies while remaining in standard FPS form. Sure the graphics are there, but what connects us to these silent anti-hero protagonists? What makes us like them? What makes them the anti-hero? What makes us want to continue through the battlefield?
I don't think that's exactly it.
I'd say the best bet would be spending some time with a good old DS. Plenty of RPGs to play, and plenty of other interesting games that you won't find anywhere else. I wouldn't rule out the 360 as a platform, though, if you are into RPGs.
Personally, I was tired of gaming, until I got a Wii, and it's re-ignited my love of the hobby, which has spread to my buying a 360, etc. Maybe the DS could do that for you, or maybe you could look into a few other Wii games, like de Blob, No More Heroes (definitely not a silent protagonist), etc. Also, the Fire Emblem games are pretty fun, and there are a few RPGs coming out around the bend. If you can get a group of friends together, and you all appreciate RPG tropes, I hear Dokapon Kingdom is pretty good times.
If you are feeling burned out, I would suggest taking a break.
Gaming should be a hobby, it should be fun. If it isn't anymore, take a break from it.
Your system(s) will still be there.
I would say, however, that you can find different games and other forms of entertainment out there. Independent games & movies always seem to find creative and new ways to express themselves. It's why I enjoy them, at the very least.
But don't be afraid to take a breather if you need.
You only have a Wii? I honestly think that's your problem right there.
Not to knock the Wii or anything, but the story driven games you want are on the 360 and PS3.
This. A thousand times this.
I think I was where you were at a few years ago. I had a PS2, and Gamecube, and an Xbox, but for the life of me, could not have a whole lot of fun with even the newest releases. At one point I switched over to being a PC gamer primarily. When I got my 360, though, I did a complete turnaround. I found myself playing games for hours that I wasn't before. I really recommend you pick a 360, or even a PS3, up.
For contrast, and I also have a Wii. I have not played the thing in months and have probably logged no more than 10 hours on it. Not to bag on the Wii (lord knows I don't want to start up some nerd-slapping in here), but I just don't play it like I thought I would have.
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For the longest time now I have played games. Probably since I was around the age of 4. I am 21 years old now, and for the life of me I can't get excited enough to play and beat these newer games.
These "new" games all look the same: single man/marine/soldier is lost in space/lost under water/lost on a planet/lost in a city and needs to over come a corrupt gang/government/group of baddies while remaining in standard FPS form. Sure the graphics are there, but what connects us to these silent anti-hero protagonists? What makes us like them? What makes them the anti-hero? What makes us want to continue through the battlefield?
I find myself falling further and further from the gaming tree. I have a Wii currently and that might be a problem because the only games I play on it aside from VC games are Super Smash Bros. Brawl and Mario Kart. I would love to have more RPGs to choose from, but even they seem to be getting harder and harder to find.
Help me Penny Arcade.D:
Not to say that the Wii is the problem—it's not, really—but since I'm assuming you don't have a 360, PS3 or a PC and you mention a ton of cookie-cutter FPSes, I think your problem might not be the games, but the fact that you're ingesting all of the media and hype without actually playing them yourself. The impression I get is that you're listening to forumers hype the games beyond belief, you're looking at bullshots and target render videos and playthroughs, but you're so burned out by the pregame that you've already formed an opinion on the game before you've even tried it yourself.
My suggestion, oddly enough: Blackout the media and cut down on foruming, or at least on media previews and such. I've found that for games that really interest me, by not drowning myself in coverage before I actually get to play it, the game feels a lot fresher and newer. Otherwise, if you pore over every screenshot and detail months beforehand, of course the game is naturally going to feel old and tired.
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edited November 2008
Getting burned out? Take a break for a while. Read some books. Take up a new hobby. If you're still into games after a few months, great! If not, hopefully you'll have found something else that really grabs your interest. Seems like a pretty reasonable solution to me.
GnomeTankWhat the what?Portland, OregonRegistered Userregular
edited November 2008
My personal take is that you've lost a sense of what gaming is about, and are looking a little too deep for some sort of emotional fulfillment from your entertainment medium. That's fine, but on any system, there are not that many games that actually evoke that sort of depth. I could count on one hand how many games I own with that sort of depth.
The other games I own, I play because they are FUN, period. The stories may be weak, they may not fulfill some deep emotional well in my soul with their story, but they are fun. You play fun games for just that, fun, sometimes of the mindless variety. When you do find a game that evokes a deeper reaction, you cherish it and enjoy it, but that shouldn't stop you from playing the games that are just fun to be fun. These are games after all.
you have a wii...why aren't you playing world of goo then? this involves none of the things you dislike and all of the things you should like
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Grudgeblessed is the mind too small for doubtRegistered Userregular
edited November 2008
Indeed, I've started doing the same things for games I'm looking forward to. For example Fallout 3 - apart from the very first couple of screenshots and the first teaser trailer, I have intentionally avoided reading anything about it, I haven't looked at any new screenshots or trailers or read any of the reviews.
Plus, I have recently been more or less forced to take a two month gaming hiatus due to us renovating our apartment, so now when I finally get to play games again I'm definitely enjoying them more.
GnomeTankWhat the what?Portland, OregonRegistered Userregular
edited November 2008
I would agree on the mass media thing. I tend to pay attention to game announcements and release dates, but I don't obsess over fan sites, or try and ingest every morsel that comes down the pipe about the game. If a game looks promising, I'll poke at it a bit before it's release, see if it's a good buy, and if it is, I'll pick it up.
FO3 is a great example. When FO3 released, I had read almost nothing about it, just enough to know what kind of game it was and a few screen shots. I knew enough to know I wanted it, but not enough that I was already weighed down with information about it.
Indeed, I've started doing the same things for games I'm looking forward to. For example Fallout 3 - apart from the very first couple of screenshots and the first teaser trailer, I have intentionally avoided reading anything about it, I haven't looked at any new screenshots or trailers or read any of the reviews.
Plus, I have recently been more or less forced to take a two month gaming hiatus due to us renovating our apartment, so now when I finally get to play games again I'm definitely enjoying them more.
It's been my general philosophy for pretty much every major game release I've picked up: Less is more. Take something like Brawl, for instance: I'm not a fan, so I didn't get the game, but the impression I got was that a ton of people were whipped into a frenzy by the constant stream of news updates from the Dojo, and the process was drawn out for months ... so much so that by the time the game came out, a lot of people had been so overexposed to the game that they knew every single thing there was to know, and the game became a grind to get to the "real" stuff later.
Obviously, that doesn't account for everyone, but in most of the hype threads for this year's major releases, I see at least some people obsessively soaking in every preview, screenshot, etc., and then they rip through the game when it comes out and kind of say, "Oh, that's it?" And then they move on to something else to hype. It's almost like playing the game is ancillary to the game-hype experience, when it should be the other way around.
I was contemplating writing this exact same thread recently. Only difference is that so many games capture my attention all the way up until release, upon which time I may or may not play them for and hour and that’s that.
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Indeed, I've started doing the same things for games I'm looking forward to. For example Fallout 3 - apart from the very first couple of screenshots and the first teaser trailer, I have intentionally avoided reading anything about it, I haven't looked at any new screenshots or trailers or read any of the reviews.
Plus, I have recently been more or less forced to take a two month gaming hiatus due to us renovating our apartment, so now when I finally get to play games again I'm definitely enjoying them more.
It's been my general philosophy for pretty much every major game release I've picked up: Less is more. Take something like Brawl, for instance: I'm not a fan, so I didn't get the game, but the impression I got was that a ton of people were whipped into a frenzy by the constant stream of news updates from the Dojo, and the process was drawn out for months ... so much so that by the time the game came out, a lot of people had been so overexposed to the game that they knew every single thing there was to know, and the game became a grind to get to the "real" stuff later.
Obviously, that doesn't account for everyone, but in most of the hype threads for this year's major releases, I see at least some people obsessively soaking in every preview, screenshot, etc., and then they rip through the game when it comes out and kind of say, "Oh, that's it?" And then they move on to something else to hype. It's almost like playing the game is ancillary to the game-hype experience, when it should be the other way around.
Yeah, I'm sad to say I fell victim to this. Now that some time has passed I've been getting back into Brawl, and have been having good times with friends, just like the Melee days.
In fact, we're getting together tonight to play some more.
First, stop coming to the PA forums and most video game related websites.
Second, get gamefly.
Third, rent any and every game that looks interesting to you.
Or, just stop playing games for a while and come back to it.
It's almost like playing the game is ancillary to the game-hype experience, when it should be the other way around.
Limed so hard. I try to stay out of the big threads on new games for this very reason nowadays.
Other than that, yeah, I skip out on discussions when they get heavy on the hype train, or the system warzz bullshit, or the various other idiotic arguments that can spring up on internet forums, just for the sake of my sanity, and also because those are all things that kind of make me hate gaming.
You might want to try picking up a different hobby for a while; do some research on things that interest you and something will probably look interesting. That's what got me back into reading crime novels, and I've been reading every night before I go to bed rather than gaming for the last couple of weeks.
EDIT: Also what Rainbow Despair says below is true.
Less is more. I've noticed that when I get several games in rapid succession, it tends to burn me out, and I tend to not play anything very much. However, when getting a new game is a big deal (since you haven't had anything new recently), it tends to get a ton of playtime from me.
So are you tired of all tv shows/movies/novels as well? They all follow basic formulas.
Yes... actually I am.
This is merely the result of being old enough (and saturated enough with pop culture) to no longer be surprised by the standard gaming formulae. Dead Space, for example, is Event Horizon + Resident Evil 4. That's it. But it's so goddamned polished in every facet I can't help but love it.
There's also more unique experiences. Someone mentioned P3 - well I'll mention Valkyria Chronicles. A totally new take on the tactical RPG, beautiful, original (mostly - there's an evil empire yawwwn). There's also weird stuff like LBP and Mirror's Edge this fall.
I too am a little jaded about pop-culture content being a rather uniform experience. I could find the barest of quality to appreciate in that Hulk movie or Iron Man. But for every by-numbers hollywood crap, there's a hollywood winner like Letters From Iwo Jima.
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I had never really thought about what's being said here regarding being burned out by hype, previews and the like, but the more I think about it, the more it makes sense.
I have spent almost zero time in the last couple of months playing games because I don't always have a lot of time when I get home from work. But at work, when I have a little goof-off time, I end up looking at video game news, reading previews and reviews, stuff like that. I've found that after a while of all reading and no playing, every single game starts to look and sound exactly the same, even the ones that get great reviews.
I would suggest doing the same thing I'm about to do - get a GameFly subscription and start renting everything. I found that by spending too much time reading stuff on the Internet, I get lulled into the same stupid "I only play the game of the year and everything else sucks attitude" that seems to prevail, due in large part to the fact that the primary audience is cash strapped kids and students that can't afford to play lots of games. This is the root of "console wars" and the like - if we could all afford all the consoles, there wouldn't be scores of naturally insecure adolescents trying to defend their purchase (or, more likely, their choice, as it was their parents that actually made the purchase and will only allow them to have one machine). You really need to play the games and allow yourself to get hooked by them.
Now, I've found that a lot of games don't hook me like they used to - back in the day I would have vanished for days on end to play GTAIV, but nowadays, games like that feel like a chore. Still, there's no way to find out until you put the disc in the drive and start playing. Like Chance said, take a game like Dead Space - reviews will say it's a good game, but after reading lots of reviews, and lots of reviews of other games, it sounds like the same old rehash. Were you to pick it up and play it though, and try to get into it, you might find yourself hooked. And with Gamefly, if you aren't hooked, send it back a day later. If you are, keep it a week or two and finish it up.
First, stop coming to the PA forums and most video game related websites.
Second, get gamefly.
Third, rent any and every game that looks interesting to you.
Or, just stop playing games for a while and come back to it.
This. Quit reading forums. Forums ruin my enjoyment of games, especially when I spend more time talking about them than I do playing them.
For the longest time now I have played games. Probably since I was around the age of 4. I am 21 years old now, and for the life of me I can't get excited enough to play and beat these newer games.
These "new" games all look the same: single man/marine/soldier is lost in space/lost under water/lost on a planet/lost in a city and needs to over come a corrupt gang/government/group of baddies while remaining in standard FPS form. Sure the graphics are there, but what connects us to these silent anti-hero protagonists? What makes us like them? What makes them the anti-hero? What makes us want to continue through the battlefield?
I find myself falling further and further from the gaming tree. I have a Wii currently and that might be a problem because the only games I play on it aside from VC games are Super Smash Bros. Brawl and Mario Kart. I would love to have more RPGs to choose from, but even they seem to be getting harder and harder to find.
Help me Penny Arcade.D:
Same sorta thing happened to me, nowadays the only way I get enjoyment out of videogames is via multiplayer games like TF2.
Going along with everyone's recommendation to try something new, I heartily suggest Dwarf Fortress. It's a really unique gameplay experience; very different from almost anything on the market.
Anyone notice how some things (mattresses and the copy machines in Highrise) are totally impenetrable? A steel wall, yeah that makes sense, but bullets should obliterate copy machines.
I don't know about you, but I always buy a bullet proof printer. Its a lot more expensive, but I think the advantages are apparent.
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GnomeTankWhat the what?Portland, OregonRegistered Userregular
The DS is currently where the innovative games are going.
Try taking a look at one.
Can't say that I agree with that. It seems to me that pretty much all of the systems have a good amount of innovative games as long as you look for them. Mirror's Edge, Banjo-Kazooie: Nuts & Bolts, Little Big Planet, to say nothing of the wealth of innovative downloadable games available for the home consoles.
EDIT: THEPAIN73, if you haven't played it yet, The World Ends With You for the DS is not only one of the most innovative games of the year, it's also one of the best RPGs of the year. I just got it from Goozex a few days ago and I've been most impressed.
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Not to knock the Wii or anything, but the story driven games you want are on the 360 and PS3.
Check out smaller publishers like Atlus. Persona3 brought me back into gaming after being burned out awhile myself.
Yes... actually I am.
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I don't think that's exactly it.
I'd say the best bet would be spending some time with a good old DS. Plenty of RPGs to play, and plenty of other interesting games that you won't find anywhere else. I wouldn't rule out the 360 as a platform, though, if you are into RPGs.
Personally, I was tired of gaming, until I got a Wii, and it's re-ignited my love of the hobby, which has spread to my buying a 360, etc. Maybe the DS could do that for you, or maybe you could look into a few other Wii games, like de Blob, No More Heroes (definitely not a silent protagonist), etc. Also, the Fire Emblem games are pretty fun, and there are a few RPGs coming out around the bend. If you can get a group of friends together, and you all appreciate RPG tropes, I hear Dokapon Kingdom is pretty good times.
Gaming should be a hobby, it should be fun. If it isn't anymore, take a break from it.
Your system(s) will still be there.
I would say, however, that you can find different games and other forms of entertainment out there. Independent games & movies always seem to find creative and new ways to express themselves. It's why I enjoy them, at the very least.
But don't be afraid to take a breather if you need.
This. A thousand times this.
I think I was where you were at a few years ago. I had a PS2, and Gamecube, and an Xbox, but for the life of me, could not have a whole lot of fun with even the newest releases. At one point I switched over to being a PC gamer primarily. When I got my 360, though, I did a complete turnaround. I found myself playing games for hours that I wasn't before. I really recommend you pick a 360, or even a PS3, up.
For contrast, and I also have a Wii. I have not played the thing in months and have probably logged no more than 10 hours on it. Not to bag on the Wii (lord knows I don't want to start up some nerd-slapping in here), but I just don't play it like I thought I would have.
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Not to say that the Wii is the problem—it's not, really—but since I'm assuming you don't have a 360, PS3 or a PC and you mention a ton of cookie-cutter FPSes, I think your problem might not be the games, but the fact that you're ingesting all of the media and hype without actually playing them yourself. The impression I get is that you're listening to forumers hype the games beyond belief, you're looking at bullshots and target render videos and playthroughs, but you're so burned out by the pregame that you've already formed an opinion on the game before you've even tried it yourself.
My suggestion, oddly enough: Blackout the media and cut down on foruming, or at least on media previews and such. I've found that for games that really interest me, by not drowning myself in coverage before I actually get to play it, the game feels a lot fresher and newer. Otherwise, if you pore over every screenshot and detail months beforehand, of course the game is naturally going to feel old and tired.
The other games I own, I play because they are FUN, period. The stories may be weak, they may not fulfill some deep emotional well in my soul with their story, but they are fun. You play fun games for just that, fun, sometimes of the mindless variety. When you do find a game that evokes a deeper reaction, you cherish it and enjoy it, but that shouldn't stop you from playing the games that are just fun to be fun. These are games after all.
Don't force yourself to play games if you aren't having fun, it'll just make the situation worse.
Plus, I have recently been more or less forced to take a two month gaming hiatus due to us renovating our apartment, so now when I finally get to play games again I'm definitely enjoying them more.
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FO3 is a great example. When FO3 released, I had read almost nothing about it, just enough to know what kind of game it was and a few screen shots. I knew enough to know I wanted it, but not enough that I was already weighed down with information about it.
It's been my general philosophy for pretty much every major game release I've picked up: Less is more. Take something like Brawl, for instance: I'm not a fan, so I didn't get the game, but the impression I got was that a ton of people were whipped into a frenzy by the constant stream of news updates from the Dojo, and the process was drawn out for months ... so much so that by the time the game came out, a lot of people had been so overexposed to the game that they knew every single thing there was to know, and the game became a grind to get to the "real" stuff later.
Obviously, that doesn't account for everyone, but in most of the hype threads for this year's major releases, I see at least some people obsessively soaking in every preview, screenshot, etc., and then they rip through the game when it comes out and kind of say, "Oh, that's it?" And then they move on to something else to hype. It's almost like playing the game is ancillary to the game-hype experience, when it should be the other way around.
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Yeah, I'm sad to say I fell victim to this. Now that some time has passed I've been getting back into Brawl, and have been having good times with friends, just like the Melee days.
In fact, we're getting together tonight to play some more.
Second, get gamefly.
Third, rent any and every game that looks interesting to you.
Or, just stop playing games for a while and come back to it.
Limed so hard. I try to stay out of the big threads on new games for this very reason nowadays.
Other than that, yeah, I skip out on discussions when they get heavy on the hype train, or the system warzz bullshit, or the various other idiotic arguments that can spring up on internet forums, just for the sake of my sanity, and also because those are all things that kind of make me hate gaming.
You might want to try picking up a different hobby for a while; do some research on things that interest you and something will probably look interesting. That's what got me back into reading crime novels, and I've been reading every night before I go to bed rather than gaming for the last couple of weeks.
EDIT: Also what Rainbow Despair says below is true.
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Try some different genres than your usual.
Suddenly you will treasure your gaming time alot more.
If you're looking for RPG's, I would recommend these:
http://www.gog.com/en/gamecard/fallout
http://www.gog.com/en/gamecard/fallout_2
http://store.steampowered.com/app/1700/
http://store.steampowered.com/app/20900/
http://store.steampowered.com/app/2600/
This is merely the result of being old enough (and saturated enough with pop culture) to no longer be surprised by the standard gaming formulae. Dead Space, for example, is Event Horizon + Resident Evil 4. That's it. But it's so goddamned polished in every facet I can't help but love it.
There's also more unique experiences. Someone mentioned P3 - well I'll mention Valkyria Chronicles. A totally new take on the tactical RPG, beautiful, original (mostly - there's an evil empire yawwwn). There's also weird stuff like LBP and Mirror's Edge this fall.
I too am a little jaded about pop-culture content being a rather uniform experience. I could find the barest of quality to appreciate in that Hulk movie or Iron Man. But for every by-numbers hollywood crap, there's a hollywood winner like Letters From Iwo Jima.
I have spent almost zero time in the last couple of months playing games because I don't always have a lot of time when I get home from work. But at work, when I have a little goof-off time, I end up looking at video game news, reading previews and reviews, stuff like that. I've found that after a while of all reading and no playing, every single game starts to look and sound exactly the same, even the ones that get great reviews.
I would suggest doing the same thing I'm about to do - get a GameFly subscription and start renting everything. I found that by spending too much time reading stuff on the Internet, I get lulled into the same stupid "I only play the game of the year and everything else sucks attitude" that seems to prevail, due in large part to the fact that the primary audience is cash strapped kids and students that can't afford to play lots of games. This is the root of "console wars" and the like - if we could all afford all the consoles, there wouldn't be scores of naturally insecure adolescents trying to defend their purchase (or, more likely, their choice, as it was their parents that actually made the purchase and will only allow them to have one machine). You really need to play the games and allow yourself to get hooked by them.
Now, I've found that a lot of games don't hook me like they used to - back in the day I would have vanished for days on end to play GTAIV, but nowadays, games like that feel like a chore. Still, there's no way to find out until you put the disc in the drive and start playing. Like Chance said, take a game like Dead Space - reviews will say it's a good game, but after reading lots of reviews, and lots of reviews of other games, it sounds like the same old rehash. Were you to pick it up and play it though, and try to get into it, you might find yourself hooked. And with Gamefly, if you aren't hooked, send it back a day later. If you are, keep it a week or two and finish it up.
Try taking a look at one.
This. So much.
I don't own a Wii but I am under the impression that it is pretty good and something that is totally different.
Also, think about what you want out of a game. What makes you want to play a game? Is it the story? Graphics? The amount of action in the game?
Narrow down what you want out of a game, and seek out that type of game only.
This. Quit reading forums. Forums ruin my enjoyment of games, especially when I spend more time talking about them than I do playing them.
grim and frostbitten kingdoms. goozex referral. steam.
Same sorta thing happened to me, nowadays the only way I get enjoyment out of videogames is via multiplayer games like TF2.
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Limed, a thousand times limed. Letters from Iwo Jima was an amazing film.
What would you recommend as far as DS games. RPG mostly.
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Can't say that I agree with that. It seems to me that pretty much all of the systems have a good amount of innovative games as long as you look for them. Mirror's Edge, Banjo-Kazooie: Nuts & Bolts, Little Big Planet, to say nothing of the wealth of innovative downloadable games available for the home consoles.
EDIT: THEPAIN73, if you haven't played it yet, The World Ends With You for the DS is not only one of the most innovative games of the year, it's also one of the best RPGs of the year. I just got it from Goozex a few days ago and I've been most impressed.
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The World Ends With You is great and pretty different.
I want to know more PA people on Twitter.