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Bush has taken it to a new level: Trying to expand NATO into former Soviet countries, Missile defense systems in Eastern Europe, cockwaving over Iraq, turning Putin into a bogeyman etc etc
I believe if it came down to it, and we screwed up with Russia in a major way... most of the world would side with them as a chance to "finally get rid of America." I think we wouldn't stand a chance against them, and that's what scares me. I would love to hear from a Russian citizen (alternatively, any of you), rather than the media, of what they believe Russia's view/relationship with the US is. Something like that would make me feel calmer/better about the situation...
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Bush has taken it to a new level: Trying to expand NATO into former Soviet countries, Missile defense systems in Eastern Europe, cockwaving over Iraq, turning Putin into a bogeyman etc etc
It's hardly a new level, unless you're only counting US-Russian relations since Gorbachev.
I believe if it came down to it, and we screwed up with Russia in a major way... most of the world would side with them as a chance to "finally get rid of America." I think we wouldn't stand a chance against them, and that's what scares me. I would love to hear from a Russian citizen (alternatively, any of you), rather than the media, of what they believe Russia's view/relationship with the US is. Something like that would make me feel calmer/better about the situation...
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Personally I think we should pick teams for World War III like in kickball. US and Russia are team captains.
USA: "Okay, we'll take the UK."
Russia: "Then we've got China."
USA: "Maaaaaaaaaan, I wanted China!"
GWB has spent the last 8 years pissing Russia off at every opportunity. Perhaps things will improve once he's out of office.
all of our presidents have a history of pissing off russia....
TR got along with them fine. Saved their ass from Japan.
Is there any good way to go about mutual-nuclear relationships? Can we be friends, and still let each other make nukes? Correction... let them... because I doubt America would let anyone tell us what to do -_-
I almost want to move somewhere else... I think I'd actually feel safer.
...we're both reducing our nuclear arsenals thanks to several treaties that have existed for decades. We're down to 'only' ~20k total warheads in existence right now. Though Russia is dragging its feet more so than the Pentagon. Not that it really matters since that's still plenty to destroy civilization as we know it, but still.
Russia nuking us is about #391 on the list of things likely to happen to us if we piss them off. Be more concerned about them trying to re-establish the USSR, or fucking with oil pipelines. Maybe financing groups that don't like us.
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I believe if it came down to it, and we screwed up with Russia in a major way... most of the world would side with them as a chance to "finally get rid of America." I think we wouldn't stand a chance against them, and that's what scares me. I would love to hear from a Russian citizen (alternatively, any of you), rather than the media, of what they believe Russia's view/relationship with the US is. Something like that would make me feel calmer/better about the situation...
ITT: We confuse foreign relations with WWE RAW.
Personally I think we should pick teams for World War III like in kickball. US and Russia are team captains.
USA: "Okay, we'll take the UK."
Russia: "Then we've got China."
USA: "Maaaaaaaaaan, I wanted China!"
But then poor Poland would be last. Everyone always forgets Poland.
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Russia nuking us is about #391 on the list of things likely to happen to us if we piss them off. Be more concerned about them trying to re-establish the USSR, or fucking with oil pipelines. Maybe financing groups that don't like us.
More Imperial/Autocratic Russia than the USSR it seems. I'm pretty sure that Putin would rather be a Tsar than a Premier.
Since we're so close to Russia... why not combine into a single "super-continent"... annexing the willing Canada in the process. We'd be one giant united entity...
Bush has taken it to a new level: Trying to expand NATO into former Soviet countries, Missile defense systems in Eastern Europe, cockwaving over Iraq, turning Putin into a bogeyman etc etc
...but Putin is an asshole. Just look at the Litvinenko case, or the recent Russian "election", or Georgia, or the authoritarian regression, or the constant dick wagging.
And if former Soviet countries want to join NATO, are you saying they shouldn't be allowed to?
Russia nuking us is about #391 on the list of things likely to happen to us if we piss them off. Be more concerned about them trying to re-establish the USSR, or fucking with oil pipelines. Maybe financing groups that don't like us.
More Imperial/Autocratic Russia than the USSR it seems. I'm pretty sure that Putin would rather be a Tsar than a Premier.
Well, yeah. But basically Putin wants him some land.
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I believe if it came down to it, and we screwed up with Russia in a major way... most of the world would side with them as a chance to "finally get rid of America." I think we wouldn't stand a chance against them, and that's what scares me. I would love to hear from a Russian citizen (alternatively, any of you), rather than the media, of what they believe Russia's view/relationship with the US is. Something like that would make me feel calmer/better about the situation...
ITT: We confuse foreign relations with WWE RAW.
Personally I think we should pick teams for World War III like in kickball. US and Russia are team captains.
USA: "Okay, we'll take the UK."
Russia: "Then we've got China."
USA: "Maaaaaaaaaan, I wanted China!"
Just make sure we get Canada and Mexico. The 5 extra reinforcements per round help out a lot.
Russia nuking us is about #391 on the list of things likely to happen to us if we piss them off. Be more concerned about them trying to re-establish the USSR, or fucking with oil pipelines. Maybe financing groups that don't like us.
More Imperial/Autocratic Russia than the USSR it seems. I'm pretty sure that Putin would rather be a Tsar than a Premier.
Then please explain, what's the problem with them running their country how they like? Putin has great approval ratings, let them be happy? I can clearly see his manipulation of the government in Russia, a child could see that....
Russia nuking us is about #391 on the list of things likely to happen to us if we piss them off. Be more concerned about them trying to re-establish the USSR, or fucking with oil pipelines. Maybe financing groups that don't like us.
More Imperial/Autocratic Russia than the USSR it seems. I'm pretty sure that Putin would rather be a Tsar than a Premier.
Then please explain, what's the problem with them running their country how they like? Putin has great approval ratings, let them be happy? I can clearly see his manipulation of the government in Russia, a child could see that....
I suppose installing missile systems 1,000 miles from Moscow, stating it is used to counter potential threats from Iran and North Korea, which are several thousands of miles away, while you have several dozen missile systems in Alaska, isn't very convincing to the Russians.
I believe if it came down to it, and we screwed up with Russia in a major way... most of the world would side with them as a chance to "finally get rid of America." I think we wouldn't stand a chance against them, and that's what scares me. I would love to hear from a Russian citizen (alternatively, any of you), rather than the media, of what they believe Russia's view/relationship with the US is. Something like that would make me feel calmer/better about the situation...
A problem most younger nerds I've met have is that a lot of us read Tom Clancy or sci-fi novels or played CoD4 or Command and Conquer.
A lot of us, at earlier ages, and if we're ignorant enough, at later ages, mistake the books we kinda want to be real with reality. This is where you get people obsessed with "OMG BUT WW3 WILL HAPPEN THEN!" No, it won't.
I will eat my own dick, with extra dick sauce, if WW3 ever occurs within our parents lifetimes. We'd need to find some way to stop nuclear weapons from killing everyone, because that's what would occur if we had a world war. At the very least, a couple major cities would go down, and no one wants that to happen.
I believe if it came down to it, and we screwed up with Russia in a major way... most of the world would side with them as a chance to "finally get rid of America."
No.
Because, just, no.
Nobody really wants to get rid off America. No-one really wants a world war. Look at China and India. See how prosperous they're becoming, why would they risk that in order to get involved with an apocalyptic war?
Russia and the USA spent forty years building up vast stockpiles of horrifyingly destructive weapons yet never engaged in a direct, conventional fight for fear of what might happen as a result.
Russia is a threat to its small neighbours, and to Western European economies because of its control of energy. But at the end of the day oil reserves are worth squat if you have no one to sell them to.
Bush has taken it to a new level: Trying to expand NATO into former Soviet countries, Missile defense systems in Eastern Europe, cockwaving over Iraq, turning Putin into a bogeyman etc etc
...but Putin is an asshole. Just look at the Litvinenko case, or the recent Russian "election", or Georgia, or the authoritarian regression, or the constant dick wagging.
And if former Soviet countries want to join NATO, are you saying they shouldn't be allowed to?
They should be allowed too, but Russia getting pissed/worried about the alliance specificly formed to combat them gaining new members right on their border is understandable. Thus NATO should let the countries join but some how bribe/compensate/assuage the fears of Russia in some way. What that way is I don't know but it probably should be more than the American government going "trust us, we're the good guys!".
Russia is a threat to its small neighbours, and to Western European economies because of its control of energy. But at the end of the day oil reserves are worth squat if you have no one to sell them to.
@The OP: and thus a threat to America due to western europe being huge trading partners, and Russia cutting off the energy supply raising global prices due to our fun friend fungibility.
To clarify, I'm not saying Russia isn't a threat to American interests. But it's not an existential threat to America itself.
I would disagree with that. If something is a threat to a states interests, it is a threat to the state itself.
Umm... no. If you and I are competing to purchase something at an auction, it doesn't mean you endanger my very existence. Which is what's meant by "existential threat".
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To clarify, I'm not saying Russia isn't a threat to American interests. But it's not an existential threat to America itself.
I would disagree with that. If something is a threat to a states interests, it is a threat to the state itself.
That is a good point, however I don't think Russia would screw up Western Europe enough to damage America that much because it would also be ruinous to Russia itself.
To clarify, I'm not saying Russia isn't a threat to American interests. But it's not an existential threat to America itself.
I would disagree with that. If something is a threat to a states interests, it is a threat to the state itself.
Perhaps, but on the percieved national threat scale I'd say:
NATO bordering Russia and thus being able to act at will (which is how it'll be sold by Russian politicans) > Americans paying more for fuel.
Personnally I'm less worried by Putin (as the guy seems pretty sharp) than by someone with a screw loose twenty years from now inheriting the consolidated executive power he's built.
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all of our presidents have a history of pissing off russia....
TR got along with them fine. Saved their ass from Japan.
ITT: We confuse foreign relations with WWE RAW.
It's hardly a new level, unless you're only counting US-Russian relations since Gorbachev.
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Personally I think we should pick teams for World War III like in kickball. US and Russia are team captains.
USA: "Okay, we'll take the UK."
Russia: "Then we've got China."
USA: "Maaaaaaaaaan, I wanted China!"
...we're both reducing our nuclear arsenals thanks to several treaties that have existed for decades. We're down to 'only' ~20k total warheads in existence right now. Though Russia is dragging its feet more so than the Pentagon. Not that it really matters since that's still plenty to destroy civilization as we know it, but still.
But then poor Poland would be last. Everyone always forgets Poland.
But which country is the tubby kid with bottle glasses and flaky skin that is always picked last?
EDIT: It wouldn't be Poland. Luxemborg maybe. No wait, the Vatican.
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More Imperial/Autocratic Russia than the USSR it seems. I'm pretty sure that Putin would rather be a Tsar than a Premier.
What are you, 6?
...but Putin is an asshole. Just look at the Litvinenko case, or the recent Russian "election", or Georgia, or the authoritarian regression, or the constant dick wagging.
And if former Soviet countries want to join NATO, are you saying they shouldn't be allowed to?
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Well, yeah. But basically Putin wants him some land.
Just make sure we get Canada and Mexico. The 5 extra reinforcements per round help out a lot.
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Um, we aren't interfering with any of that?
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Because it is hurting us.
They tried to bury us. They didn't know that we were seeds. 2018 Midterms. Get your shit together.
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A lot of us, at earlier ages, and if we're ignorant enough, at later ages, mistake the books we kinda want to be real with reality. This is where you get people obsessed with "OMG BUT WW3 WILL HAPPEN THEN!" No, it won't.
I will eat my own dick, with extra dick sauce, if WW3 ever occurs within our parents lifetimes. We'd need to find some way to stop nuclear weapons from killing everyone, because that's what would occur if we had a world war. At the very least, a couple major cities would go down, and no one wants that to happen.
No.
Because, just, no.
Nobody really wants to get rid off America. No-one really wants a world war. Look at China and India. See how prosperous they're becoming, why would they risk that in order to get involved with an apocalyptic war?
Russia and the USA spent forty years building up vast stockpiles of horrifyingly destructive weapons yet never engaged in a direct, conventional fight for fear of what might happen as a result.
Russia is a threat to its small neighbours, and to Western European economies because of its control of energy. But at the end of the day oil reserves are worth squat if you have no one to sell them to.
They should be allowed too, but Russia getting pissed/worried about the alliance specificly formed to combat them gaining new members right on their border is understandable. Thus NATO should let the countries join but some how bribe/compensate/assuage the fears of Russia in some way. What that way is I don't know but it probably should be more than the American government going "trust us, we're the good guys!".
@The OP: and thus a threat to America due to western europe being huge trading partners, and Russia cutting off the energy supply raising global prices due to our fun friend fungibility.
I would disagree with that. If something is a threat to a states interests, it is a threat to the state itself.
Umm... no. If you and I are competing to purchase something at an auction, it doesn't mean you endanger my very existence. Which is what's meant by "existential threat".
That is a good point, however I don't think Russia would screw up Western Europe enough to damage America that much because it would also be ruinous to Russia itself.
Perhaps, but on the percieved national threat scale I'd say:
NATO bordering Russia and thus being able to act at will (which is how it'll be sold by Russian politicans) > Americans paying more for fuel.
Personnally I'm less worried by Putin (as the guy seems pretty sharp) than by someone with a screw loose twenty years from now inheriting the consolidated executive power he's built.