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SEMIFINALS: MATCH A: PRE-FIGHT DEBATE
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WONDER WOMAN – Diana PrincePOWERS AND ABILITIES: Flight, super-strength, super-speed, highly developed fighting skills, enhanced hearing, enhanced vision, animal empathy, regeneration, sisterhood with fire, high resistance to magic
CAPTAIN MARVEL – Billy Batson
POWERS AND ABILITIES: Magically bestowed aspects of various mythological figures which include vast super-strength, physical and magical invulnerability, super-speed, flight, fearlessness, vast wisdom/enhanced mental perception, able to control and emit magic lightning.
SHADE – Richard Swift
POWERS AND ABILITIES: umbrakinesis (ability to control darkness) - ability to travel great distances in short amounts of time, and create constructs out of shadows
SHADOWCAT – Kitty Pryde
POWERS AND ABILITIES: Intangibility with secondary effects. Has a pet dragon. Genius in the field of applied technology and computer science. Trained in the arts of aikido, karate, ninjutsu, and Krav Maga.
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Lets just pretend the Lasso of Truth, or MAGIC lightning have an effect on her ... or knocks her out when she phases through it.
1: She might be able to take out shade.
2: She might be able to phase through the lightning bolt and cause Marvel to go back to kid form.
3: She still can't win.
If something can affect her...
1: She still loses.
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This reasoning is beyond stupid.
The source of his power is magic. That does not make the punches that he throws into a sort of magical force.
I think Wonder Woman, having been trained all her life in fighting and strategy, has a shot at taking him. Not through a straight-up fight, but through outplanning and outmanuevering him. It would be incredibly hard-fought, but she has a shot.
Of course, that's pretty much irrelevent. Haven't we already agreed that Shade can revert Capt. back to Billy Batson, as some other darkness powered villain did in the past? Given that, and Shadowcat's inability to hurt anyone, this fight pretty much goes to Wonder Woman/Shade.
I'm thinking Marvel goes out, and Kitty forfeits.
Diana is magic resistant, and Shade, well, he can screw up Marv, I think.
This would be really good to know as I'm sure it will affect a lot of peoples' votes. If he can Shade gets first or second and Marvel third, if he can't Marvel first and Shade third.
Actually, in Morrisson's JLA, Captain Marvel did hit Supes with a "magic punch" that put him down pretty much instantly. But I still don't think that means his punches won't affect Diana. Though given her martial training, and the fact that she was able to fight Superman to a standstill recently, I think she can still beat Marvel.
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Shade is depowering Captain Marvel now?
How does he do that?
Also: umbrakinesis is the coolest word ever.
Anally.
Shade can send Captain Marvel to the Shadowlands, where he's powerless.
Also, Kitty is vulnerable to magic and Wonder Woman is vulnerable to attacks from small projectiles.
Also: Umbrakinesis isn't the coolest word ever, "pyroclastic" is.
They wander around, get attacked by some demon things, and look for Alan Scott.
Eventually, they stumble upon a familiar face.
Shade has access to the Shadowlands and is capable of using his teleportation abilities on others as well as himself. Given that, I think he should be able to send Marvel to the Shadowlands just as Obsidian did.
Yes except whether or not Diana is magic-resistant is completely irrelevant, seeing as Captain Marvel is still going to hit her hard enough to crack mountains.
He's faster than her, stronger than her, more durable than her, he has greater stamina than her.
Captain Marvel and Shade.
And Shadowcat can't take out Shade. She can't even see him.
I have to know!
Anally.
It's only Marvel and Shade, if Wonder Woman and Shadowcat both go down first. Marvel is so getting depowered once he bumps into Shade.
I'd put Marvel on almost exactly equal footing with Superman as far as physical strength goes, and he lacks the heat vision, freeze breath, and assorted sensory enhancements that Superman has, yet WW still pummeled Superman pretty well when he was going balls out trying to kill her under Max Lord's control. Given that Marvel also has no firmly established fighting style, and mostly gets by on kick-punch-kick style fighting, I think WW could take him with a combination of Superman-level strength and speed, useful tools and weapons (throwing tiara and unbreakable lasso), and more fighting experience than Marvel could hope to match..
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And since the last match had a bunch of people saying they have no idea what Shade can do, here's the scans_daily post on him.
Shade saves the day and teleports everyone to Jade who gives Alan a green power stuff transfusion.
And Captain Marvel is used to fighting guys like himself, too. Black Adam and such. Sabbac, you name it. Evil Eclipso Superman, whose ass he trounced pretty severely until Eclipso tried to choke Billy.
Which wouldn't happen in this fight because Billy's not an idiot and can control the lightning now.
Is he really faster? I mean he has the speed of Mercury, she has the speed of Hermes...same dude!
I have always felt like WW could take supes (WAY more tactical and better trained). She also has a razor sharp tiara, can clang her bracelets to make the Aegis shield, and a lasso that can't be broken. She can take Marvel...but it would be tough. But I think they are more like to save each other for last. Kitty it prone to magic...lasso works or the lightning.
Shade...tougher....
http://community.livejournal.com/scans_daily/749247.html#cutid1
http://community.livejournal.com/scans_daily/639992.html#cutid1
More Shade stuff.
that is great!
This is hard to disagree with.
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Marvel has a lot of potential, but I think Wonder Woman might be able to beat him. Wonder Woman could probably beat Superman, especially if he did not have heat vision and freezing breath. Marvel has the lightening going for him, but it would be a very close match.
However, the Shade can turn Marvel back into Billy. How exactly does that transformation work? Marvel and Billy are two different beings, right?
I don't like taking a one time thing and making it canon. I mean, if going to the shadow lands makes Marvel turn into Billy, wouldn;t going to ANY dimension do this? I think that was more of a plot device to get Star Girl to meet Billy than actual: Shadowlands beats Marvel.
Any dimension inaccessible by the wizard Shazam. Presumably someone as powerful as him has some access to other dimensions. Problems only arise when it's a dimension that would actively resist him, like the obviously malevolent Shadowlands.
You really can't ignore something just because it only happened once, unless it's contradicted by a greater number of events from other points in a character's history.
Not so much once you take into account the fact that the Rock fo Eternity, the place where Captain Marvel gets his powers from, exists in all dimensions at the same time. Including, it would seem obvious, the Shadowlands.
Plus Captain Marvel's power supply is presumably transfinite. He has a large store of magical energy himself, which is constantly being replenished by a magical "broadcast" from the Rock of Eternity, even while he expends it. At least this is pretty logical when you look at his appearances in Day of Vengeance, this hasn't actually officially been stated, but I think it's at least somewhat accurate.
Anyway, Captain Marvel would still have a large store of magical energy, and he'd just be cut off from his main supply. He also wouldn't change back into Billy if his magic ran out, because it takes extra magic. Another lightning bolt is needed for that. It can't reach the Shadowlands, presumably, so he shouldn't have turned back. He should have just lost his superpowers.
But it's sort of a moot point because the Rock of Eternity is supposed to exist in all dimensions. Except maybe heaven and hell. I can't recall what they used to travel to heaven in the storyline where they to rescue the Spectre in heaven, and he was all encased in a giant rock and shit. It was with the 5th dimension stuff, I'm pretty sure. Morrison's run. They may have used Zauriel's sword for that, but they could also have used the Rock of Eternity. I think they maybe used the Rock to get into the 5th dimension.
Buuuuut anyway, there is no reason why the Shadowlands should cut Billy off from his powers. Because of the Rock of Eternity. Which is just a neat thing to type. Rock of Eternity.
And that bit about the Rock of Eternity does put a wrinkle in things. Too bad I couldn't find any substantial amount of information on the Rock itself. I really don't understand it.
Heaven and Hell are different, they can use Zauriel's sword to get to both of those by just cutting a hole in the fabric of reality and stepping through.