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  • LaOsLaOs SaskatoonRegistered User regular
    edited December 2008
    LaOs wrote: »
    The rational literature method of analysing a text is a learnt knowledge skill that you must concentrate on unless you have practised it extensively.

    People without this trained skill wont be seeing it the same way you do, and telling them they should is going to be an exercise in futility. Effectively ignoring reality for the sake of theoretical correctness.

    So telling me that I should take what I wrote in the negative because you read it that way is a futile exercise?


    Rather... telling other people who read what I wrote that what I wrote was negative because you read it that way is a futile exercise? Then why say it? Are you the one to decide how written things must be taken and are here to help all the people to always take written things the right way?

    (My point being this: ditto)
    :P

    People who do not have the skill to analyse a text may not see it the way "you" do, so telling them to see it that way is a futile exercise.

    But you've come and said that you see what I wrote (the text) as a negative/slight against Oboro, and have come to tell me and whomever else reads your comment that it is so (they should see it as so). Is that not just as futile?

    So, saying that what I wrote should automatically (and I think that word came from Nocturne but you've enforced the idea) be read as a negative/slight against Oboro should, according to you, be a futile effort.

    So why make the effort? I could maybe see trying to convince me I've been mean to her, but I'm likely disinclined to believe that (or inclined to believe it and not care, because I wanted to be mean, so what have you gained?), but what is the point? If it's to convince other people that I have been mean, well... isn't that a futile exercise?

    No I'm not. Your sentence structure is hard to follow for me I haven't had much sleep. I will try again once my sausages and veg is fully consumed.

    LaOs on
  • LaOsLaOs SaskatoonRegistered User regular
    edited December 2008
    LaOs wrote: »
    I don't know... still seems sketchy.

    "I feel bad when I read LaOs's posts and agree with him."

    Sad isn't as bitter a point, though.

    I could have felt sad for all sorts of reasons. Bad could easily be replaced for sad although is honestly not as strong or accurate a word (for what I meant, leading to possibly misinterpretations). Bad, however, doesn't necessarily mean I felt bad for agreeing with Oboro but could mean I felt bad and agree with Oboro.

    Point being, you will take it how you take it, but that doesn't mean that's how I intended it. So, when someone flaks me for raggin' on Oboro, I'll take it up with that because I wasn't. That's cool enough, really. However, saying that it should automatically be taken that I am diggin' into her with those words, well... that's another issue.

    I'm not saying it should automatically be taken.

    I'm saying you should keep in mind that others might take it that way. Diplomacy?

    Should is too strong a word for this board but eh *continues chewing*

    Should is nearly always too strong a word... for everything.

    And it may be that I am mashing yours and Nocturnes language together, especially with the "should" but just because someone could take it someway doesn't mean I should roll over (like a puppy! :P) and let them slap my nose with the paper, eh?

    LaOs on
  • LaOsLaOs SaskatoonRegistered User regular
    edited December 2008
    Forge-making is easy! And probably the most fun part for me - frankly if I get setup to routinely heat things to 2700 degrees C in my backyard I'll pretty happy. Then I can figure out what one does with that type of power.

    I think you just like creating something that can be seen with the naked eye! :P

    LaOs on
  • MorninglordMorninglord I'm tired of being Batman, so today I'll be Owl.Registered User regular
    edited December 2008
    LaOs wrote: »
    LaOs wrote: »
    The rational literature method of analysing a text is a learnt knowledge skill that you must concentrate on unless you have practised it extensively.

    People without this trained skill wont be seeing it the same way you do, and telling them they should is going to be an exercise in futility. Effectively ignoring reality for the sake of theoretical correctness.

    So telling me that I should take what I wrote in the negative because you read it that way is a futile exercise?


    Rather... telling other people who read what I wrote that what I wrote was negative because you read it that way is a futile exercise? Then why say it? Are you the one to decide how written things must be taken and are here to help all the people to always take written things the right way?

    (My point being this: ditto)
    :P

    People who do not have the skill to analyse a text may not see it the way "you" do, so telling them to see it that way is a futile exercise.

    But you've come and said that you see what I wrote (the text) as a negative/slight against Oboro, and have come to tell me and whomever else reads your comment that it is so (they should see it as so). Is that not just as futile?

    So, saying that what I wrote should automatically (and I think that word came from Nocturne but you've enforced the idea) be read as a negative/slight against Oboro should, according to you, be a futile effort.

    So why make the effort? I could maybe see trying to convince me I've been mean to her, but I'm likely disinclined to believe that (or inclined to believe it and not care, because I wanted to be mean, so what have you gained?), but what is the point? If it's to convince other people that I have been mean, well... isn't that a futile exercise?

    No I'm not. Your sentence structure is hard to follow for me I haven't had much sleep. I will try again once my sausages and veg is fully consumed.

    I don't understand what you are trying to do.

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  • LaOsLaOs SaskatoonRegistered User regular
    edited December 2008
    LaOs wrote: »
    LaOs wrote: »
    The rational literature method of analysing a text is a learnt knowledge skill that you must concentrate on unless you have practised it extensively.

    People without this trained skill wont be seeing it the same way you do, and telling them they should is going to be an exercise in futility. Effectively ignoring reality for the sake of theoretical correctness.

    So telling me that I should take what I wrote in the negative because you read it that way is a futile exercise?


    Rather... telling other people who read what I wrote that what I wrote was negative because you read it that way is a futile exercise? Then why say it? Are you the one to decide how written things must be taken and are here to help all the people to always take written things the right way?

    (My point being this: ditto)
    :P

    People who do not have the skill to analyse a text may not see it the way "you" do, so telling them to see it that way is a futile exercise.

    But you've come and said that you see what I wrote (the text) as a negative/slight against Oboro, and have come to tell me and whomever else reads your comment that it is so (they should see it as so). Is that not just as futile?

    So, saying that what I wrote should automatically (and I think that word came from Nocturne but you've enforced the idea) be read as a negative/slight against Oboro should, according to you, be a futile effort.

    So why make the effort? I could maybe see trying to convince me I've been mean to her, but I'm likely disinclined to believe that (or inclined to believe it and not care, because I wanted to be mean, so what have you gained?), but what is the point? If it's to convince other people that I have been mean, well... isn't that a futile exercise?

    No I'm not. Your sentence structure is hard to follow for me I haven't had much sleep. I will try again once my sausages and veg is fully consumed.

    I don't understand what you are trying to do.

    I am saying that what I think you are saying also applies to you, so you have maybe undone yourself.

    [Edit]
    Also, I am apparently trying to confuse you with my poor sentence structure after long parenthetical asides. Sorry about that (my second paragraph especially).

    Oh, and I accidentally included your text in my reply because I started typing before the last line... my bad.

    LaOs on
  • MorninglordMorninglord I'm tired of being Batman, so today I'll be Owl.Registered User regular
    edited December 2008
    I'm not telling you you should think one way, I'm telling you to think multiple ways simultaneously. Both what you think, how other people are likely to take it and how you should modify your sentence structure to better clarify how you come across so that you don't run afoul of a natural human process of "jumping the shark".

    If you think I undid myself you aren't getting what I'm saying mate. I'm not trying to win something.

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  • LaOsLaOs SaskatoonRegistered User regular
    edited December 2008
    I'm not telling you you should think one way, I'm telling you to think multiple ways simultaneously. Both what you think, how other people are likely to take it and how you should modify your sentence structure to better clarify how you come across so that you don't run afoul of a natural human process of "jumping the shark".

    If you think I undid myself you aren't getting what I'm saying mate. I'm not trying to win something.

    You are saying that now, to defend your initial reading of what I originally said. However, what you are saying now (this quoted reply) is not what you were saying before.

    What you are saying now applies to what you originally said in reply to what I originally said. Your original reply insisted (claimed, etc.) that what I said was mean to Oboro. However, for you to try to convince anyone that your reading of what I originally said would be futile, according to what you said here:
    ...
    People without this trained skill wont be seeing it the same way you do, and telling them they should is going to be an exercise in futility. Effectively ignoring reality for the sake of theoretical correctness.

    [Edit]
    Also, just because people have become lazy in reading does not mean I should accept their lazy reading. (In general, not necessarily you...) They may want to jump the shark but I need not let them do so freely.

    LaOs on
  • LaOsLaOs SaskatoonRegistered User regular
    edited December 2008
    LaOs wrote: »
    Forge-making is easy! And probably the most fun part for me - frankly if I get setup to routinely heat things to 2700 degrees C in my backyard I'll pretty happy. Then I can figure out what one does with that type of power.

    I think you just like creating something that can be seen with the naked eye! :P
    Yep! And is unusual and large!

    That's what she said!

    LaOs on
  • MorninglordMorninglord I'm tired of being Batman, so today I'll be Owl.Registered User regular
    edited December 2008
    LaOs wrote: »
    However, for you to try to convince anyone that your reading of what I originally said would be futile, according to what you said here:
    ...
    People without this trained skill wont be seeing it the same way you do, and telling them they should is going to be an exercise in futility. Effectively ignoring reality for the sake of theoretical correctness.

    This sentence does not compute, please try again. I'm not actually understanding your point I'm not sure why.

    Morninglord on
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  • LaOsLaOs SaskatoonRegistered User regular
    edited December 2008
    LaOs wrote: »
    However, for you to try to convince anyone that your reading of what I originally said would be futile, according to what you said here:
    ...
    People without this trained skill wont be seeing it the same way you do, and telling them they should is going to be an exercise in futility. Effectively ignoring reality for the sake of theoretical correctness.

    This sentence does not compute, please try again. I'm not actually understanding your point I'm not sure why.

    When you say that for me to attempt to tell someone to see what I wrote the same way I do would be futile, does that not apply to you attempting to tell me (or anyone) to see what I wrote the same way you see it?

    You say:

    When you tell me to see what you wrote your way, it is futile.

    I say:

    When you tell me to see what I wrote the way you see it, it is futile.

    Is that more clear?

    LaOs on
  • JustinSane07JustinSane07 Really, stupid? Brockton__BANNED USERS regular
    edited December 2008
    I am so confused.

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  • romanqwertyromanqwerty Registered User regular
    edited December 2008
    Why is this still going on?

    I went to watch some tv because chat was boring and you two are still at it.

    romanqwerty on
  • LaOsLaOs SaskatoonRegistered User regular
    edited December 2008
    Right, that's not actually as clear as I can make it.

    Morninglord says:

    When LaOs tells Morninglord to read what LaOs wrote the way LaOs sees it, that is a futile exercise.

    LaOs says:

    When Morninglord tells LaOs to read what LaOs wrote the way Morninglord sees it, that is a futile exercise.

    Are those not the same situations?

    [Edit]
    Rather, equally futile, from how I've read what Morninglord said here:
    ...
    People without this trained skill wont be seeing it the same way you do, and telling them they should is going to be an exercise in futility. Effectively ignoring reality for the sake of theoretical correctness.

    LaOs on
  • Mojo_JojoMojo_Jojo We are only now beginning to understand the full power and ramifications of sexual intercourse Registered User regular
    edited December 2008
    Why is this still going on?

    I went to watch some tv because chat was boring and you two are still at it.
    Welcome to chat. Sometimes the discussions won't be of direct interest to you.

    Mojo_Jojo on
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  • LaOsLaOs SaskatoonRegistered User regular
    edited December 2008
    Why is this still going on?

    I went to watch some tv because chat was boring and you two are still at it.

    That is the nature of [Chat].

    Especially at 6 in the goddamned morning... it's only even 8am EST... what do you expect? :P

    LaOs on
  • EchoEcho ski-bap ba-dapModerator, Administrator admin
    edited December 2008
    LaOs wrote: »
    Forge-making is easy! And probably the most fun part for me - frankly if I get setup to routinely heat things to 2700 degrees C in my backyard I'll pretty happy. Then I can figure out what one does with that type of power.

    I think you just like creating something that can be seen with the naked eye! :P
    Yep! And is unusual and large!

    Are you making Iron Man suits again?

    Echo on
  • LaOsLaOs SaskatoonRegistered User regular
    edited December 2008
    Mojo_Jojo wrote: »
    Why is this still going on?

    I went to watch some tv because chat was boring and you two are still at it.
    Welcome to chat. Sometimes the discussions won't be of direct interest to you.

    The best part is, it is [Chat]! Talk about whatever you want to talk about.

    Hell, people that are involved in other conversations can even converse with you about things that interest you, if you prompt them!

    LaOs on
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  • Mojo_JojoMojo_Jojo We are only now beginning to understand the full power and ramifications of sexual intercourse Registered User regular
    edited December 2008
    LaOs wrote: »
    Mojo_Jojo wrote: »
    Why is this still going on?

    I went to watch some tv because chat was boring and you two are still at it.
    Welcome to chat. Sometimes the discussions won't be of direct interest to you.

    The best part is, it is [Chat]! Talk about whatever you want to talk about.

    Hell, people that are involved in other conversations can even converse with you about things that interest you, if you prompt them!
    Indeed!

    Mojo_Jojo on
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  • LaOsLaOs SaskatoonRegistered User regular
    edited December 2008
    Echo wrote: »
    LaOs wrote: »
    Forge-making is easy! And probably the most fun part for me - frankly if I get setup to routinely heat things to 2700 degrees C in my backyard I'll pretty happy. Then I can figure out what one does with that type of power.

    I think you just like creating something that can be seen with the naked eye! :P
    Yep! And is unusual and large!

    Are you making Iron Man suits again?

    Only the Mk. I, he says.

    LaOs on
  • LaOsLaOs SaskatoonRegistered User regular
    edited December 2008
    How is French Girl, anyway? I thought she left and you and she feel apart? Does ELM know things I have missed?

    LaOs on
  • romanqwertyromanqwerty Registered User regular
    edited December 2008
    Mojo_Jojo wrote: »
    Why is this still going on?

    I went to watch some tv because chat was boring and you two are still at it.
    Welcome to chat. Sometimes the discussions won't be of direct interest to you.

    To be honest it doesn't concern me greatly. Im just rather surprised that it is still going on.

    But anyway. How exactly do you plan to get a forge in your back yard ELM? And will it violate you lease or something?

    romanqwerty on
  • LaOsLaOs SaskatoonRegistered User regular
    edited December 2008
    Mojo_Jojo wrote: »
    Why is this still going on?

    I went to watch some tv because chat was boring and you two are still at it.
    Welcome to chat. Sometimes the discussions won't be of direct interest to you.

    To be honest it doesn't concern me greatly. Im just rather surprised that it is still going on.

    But anyway. How exactly do you plan to get a forge in your back yard ELM? And will it violate you lease or something?

    I imagine it would be like a fire or BBQ pit... and if he doesn't blow up the neighbourhood or cause smokey fires, it will largely go unnoticed I'd wager.

    LaOs on
  • MorninglordMorninglord I'm tired of being Batman, so today I'll be Owl.Registered User regular
    edited December 2008
    LaOs wrote: »
    Right, that's not actually as clear as I can make it.

    Morninglord says:

    When LaOs tells Morninglord to read what LaOs wrote the way LaOs sees it, that is a futile exercise.

    LaOs says:

    When Morninglord tells LaOs to read what LaOs wrote the way Morninglord sees it, that is a futile exercise.

    Are those not the same situations?

    [Edit]
    Rather, equally futile, from how I've read what Morninglord said here:
    ...
    People without this trained skill wont be seeing it the same way you do, and telling them they should is going to be an exercise in futility. Effectively ignoring reality for the sake of theoretical correctness.

    No because you have the training I'm talking about.

    edit: WAIT A MINUTE

    I see what you are saying. Let me create a better reply.

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  • Mojo_JojoMojo_Jojo We are only now beginning to understand the full power and ramifications of sexual intercourse Registered User regular
    edited December 2008
    Mojo. What up? How is French girl?
    She's some decree of sick, although this started on boxing day so she still had a good Christmas. Also it's coming up on a month and a half since I last saw her, and that really fucking sucks. I should have just spent the money I don't have to go and see her for a day or two around now,

    On the plus side, the Jewellery I had made for her has apparently won me lots of points both with her and her family. Her, as she likes it, and her family as they were concerned the English have no taste.

    How are things progressing with the Bulgarian young lady?

    Mojo_Jojo on
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  • LaOsLaOs SaskatoonRegistered User regular
    edited December 2008
    LaOs wrote: »
    Right, that's not actually as clear as I can make it.

    Morninglord says:

    When LaOs tells Morninglord to read what LaOs wrote the way LaOs sees it, that is a futile exercise.

    LaOs says:

    When Morninglord tells LaOs to read what LaOs wrote the way Morninglord sees it, that is a futile exercise.

    Are those not the same situations?

    [Edit]
    Rather, equally futile, from how I've read what Morninglord said here:
    ...
    People without this trained skill wont be seeing it the same way you do, and telling them they should is going to be an exercise in futility. Effectively ignoring reality for the sake of theoretical correctness.

    No because you have the training I'm talking about.

    Do I?

    :P



    Well why share it publically? To make people think I am mean? To reaffirm your place as a champion of Oboro? (I'm largely just being lame to you now... sorry. This is not germaine to our initial discussion.)

    [Edit]
    I see your edit and will see your new reply then :P

    LaOs on
  • Mojo_JojoMojo_Jojo We are only now beginning to understand the full power and ramifications of sexual intercourse Registered User regular
    edited December 2008
    LaOs wrote: »
    How is French Girl, anyway? I thought she left and you and she feel apart? Does ELM know things I have missed?
    We decided to end things when she went back to France, which made sense as long distance relationships aren't too great. And then I had a couple of bad weeks in the science mine and we met up in Paris.

    Turns out it is hard to stay friends when you meet in the most romantic city. Who knew?

    So we're doing long distance stuff. Which up until December was fine when we'd been seeing one another at least once a month, and then December came and her exams started. When her exams finish she's up her for a week, and then in February we're going skiing.

    Mojo_Jojo on
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  • LaOsLaOs SaskatoonRegistered User regular
    edited December 2008
    Mojo_Jojo wrote: »
    Mojo. What up? How is French girl?
    She's some decree of sick, although this started on boxing day so she still had a good Christmas. Also it's coming up on a month and a half since I last saw her, and that really fucking sucks. I should have just spent the money I don't have to go and see her for a day or two around now,

    On the plus side, the Jewellery I had made for her has apparently won me lots of points both with her and her family. Her, as she likes it, and her family as they were concerned the English have no taste.

    How are things progressing with the Bulgarian young lady?
    I am learning so much about the romances of the European [Chat]ters. I love early mornings (made from late nights)!

    Hope she gets well, kudos on the crafted jewelery, and it absolutely sucks not having the money to see the one you want to when you want to. Oh god to I know that...

    LaOs on
  • LaOsLaOs SaskatoonRegistered User regular
    edited December 2008
    I live with my parents, of which my dad is a huge DIY fan. So basically we'll probably end up bringing in another 4WD load of Besa blocks and building a new area down on the paved area next to the sandstone cliff for forging things.

    Right now though the furnace I've built can be carted around and the like, and I guess a larger version could still be mounted on wheels and stored in our (ample) basement space - the main trick being firing it up without setting fire to everything everywhere.

    That's actually how I pictured it, to tell the truth--wheeled. Just seems right to me.

    LaOs on
  • LaOsLaOs SaskatoonRegistered User regular
    edited December 2008
    Mojo_Jojo wrote: »
    LaOs wrote: »
    How is French Girl, anyway? I thought she left and you and she feel apart? Does ELM know things I have missed?
    We decided to end things when she went back to France, which made sense as long distance relationships aren't too great. And then I had a couple of bad weeks in the science mine and we met up in Paris.

    Turns out it is hard to stay friends when you meet in the most romantic city. Who knew?

    So we're doing long distance stuff. Which up until December was fine when we'd been seeing one another at least once a month, and then December came and her exams started. When her exams finish she's up her for a week, and then in February we're going skiing.

    Sounds like a healthy relationship, so far as distance relationships go. Good on ya (both)!

    LaOs on
  • MorninglordMorninglord I'm tired of being Batman, so today I'll be Owl.Registered User regular
    edited December 2008
    Right I was attacking the literature definitions of author versus reader. I disagree with them because they are based on an incorrect assumption of a constantly rational thinker, reader, author, something that the cognitive psychological literature has little evidence for.
    People are very rarely constantly rational and arguments based around trapping people in webs of supposed rationality are not good arguments, to me.

    So that statement is attacking what I see as the arrogance of english literature assumptions that have no basis in how people actually act.

    It's got no relevance to the Oboro discussion because, well, I've been pretty damn dazed this entire conversation and forgetting half of what I said and having to read it again.

    I'd prefer it really if I could just drop it and pick it up when I've had more sleep.

    Morninglord on
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  • JustinSane07JustinSane07 Really, stupid? Brockton__BANNED USERS regular
    edited December 2008
    You guys are all dicks!

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  • TavTav Irish Minister for DefenceRegistered User regular
    edited December 2008
    Hehe, my christmas present from my bro in Tokyo came today.
    Image005.jpg

    Tav on
  • Mojo_JojoMojo_Jojo We are only now beginning to understand the full power and ramifications of sexual intercourse Registered User regular
    edited December 2008
    Hurrays all round on the girl front.

    And now I'm off for a cream tea with the parents.

    Mojo_Jojo on
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  • MorninglordMorninglord I'm tired of being Batman, so today I'll be Owl.Registered User regular
    edited December 2008
    That's two other people whose girl are away right now.

    That shouldn't make me feel better because that's horrible but it does because, well, I'm horrible. :D

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  • LaOsLaOs SaskatoonRegistered User regular
    edited December 2008
    Right I was attacking the literature definitions of author versus reader. I disagree with them because they are based on an incorrect assumption of a constantly rational thinker, reader, author, something that the cognitive psychological literature has little evidence for.
    People are very rarely constantly rational and arguments based around trapping people in webs of supposed rationality are not good arguments, to me.

    So that statement is attacking what I see as the arrogance of english literature assumptions that have no basis in how people actually act.

    It's got no relevance to the Oboro discussion because, well, I've been pretty damn dazed this entire conversation and forgetting half of what I said and having to read it again.

    Oh, seems to me this was a response (the futile exercise thing) to my response that was actually erroneous... my mistaking of your use of literature as meaning the study rather than the actual thing when you meant decision-making as the area/study and literature as the thing (like, a collection of journal articles as "the literature").

    LaOs on
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