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A hell of a lot of what the Joker was talking about makes sense and is correct, like his scar stories. He told those to people to fuck with them, make them think there's some reason that he is who he is, but in reality there is no reason, he's just who he is and that's all there is to it. But the stories themselves kind of embody how he feels about the true nature of people, how fickle and cold they can be when it comes right down to it. And people ARE just like he says in a lot of cases; fathers who savagely beat their wife and kids, or wives who don't understand unconditional love. His ideals are understandable and based on reality (as grim an outlook on reality as it may be), but he just takes those ideals and twists them to insane extents.
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BusterKNegativity is Boring Cynicism is Cowardice Registered Userregular
edited January 2009
I liked Nicholson's Joker for two reasons
One, he was just so vain, I'm mean that opening scene where Jerry Hall puts her hand on his shoulder and he looks at her with such disgust is absolutely hilarious
And the other is that I like the idea that the Joker was pretty crazy and violent before he became the Joker
Being an anarchist doesn't make you crazy. I'm not claiming to be one, but it's not like they're all idiots. Blowing shit up, however, is dumb.
And yeah, Tyler Durden is a crazy fuck. I don't have a problem with people wanting to bail on your typical lifestyle, but Project Mayhem is supposed to be terrible.
Being an anarchist doesn't make you crazy. I'm not claiming to be one, but it's not like they're all idiots. Blowing shit up, however, is dumb, but explosions are also super cool soo...
Being an anarchist doesn't make you crazy or an idiot.
It does however mean that you are either ignorant or a stubborn idealist.
The real issue is that Anarchy doesn't sustain. Ultimately some one will build something, and force others in to it.
Being an anarchist doesn't make you crazy. I'm not claiming to be one, but it's not like they're all idiots. Blowing shit up, however, is dumb, but explosions are also super cool soo...
But you don't have to want the end of things if you are an anarchist. You can still want order and a functional, sophisticated society. It's just one without government rule.
Being an anarchist doesn't make you crazy. I'm not claiming to be one, but it's not like they're all idiots. Blowing shit up, however, is dumb, but explosions are also super cool soo...
I claim to be one and this is genuinely offensive, bro
oh so you're against universal healthcare, social security and the police
that's funny because I thought, you know, the exact opposite
Being an anarchist doesn't make you crazy. I'm not claiming to be one, but it's not like they're all idiots. Blowing shit up, however, is dumb, but explosions are also super cool soo...
Being an anarchist doesn't make you crazy or an idiot.
It does however mean that you are either ignorant or a stubborn idealist.
The real issue is that Anarchy doesn't sustain. Ultimately some one will build something, and force others in to it.
What do you mean it's unsustainable? People basically did it for a long fucking time.
It's a great example of a movie where people miss the point, though.
yes because the only way not to be in love with that movie is if you missed the point
huh?
I'm not criticizing your opinion on Fight Club.
I'm just saying that a lot of people took it the wrong way. It is a good example of folks "not getting it", whether they liked it or not.
okay sorry misunderstood, you are right
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BusterKNegativity is Boring Cynicism is Cowardice Registered Userregular
edited January 2009
The problem with Fight Club is that even if the director is trying to satirize the horrible, stupid message
The source material is still in favor of it so it's pretty easy for people to see what they want
I feel the same way about Starship Troopers
Being an anarchist doesn't make you crazy. I'm not claiming to be one, but it's not like they're all idiots. Blowing shit up, however, is dumb, but explosions are also super cool soo...
Being an anarchist doesn't make you crazy or an idiot.
It does however mean that you are either ignorant or a stubborn idealist.
The real issue is that Anarchy doesn't sustain. Ultimately some one will build something, and force others in to it.
What do you mean it's unsustainable? People basically did it for a long fucking time.
Not really.
You had chieftains, and warlords, and all sorts of stuff.
Being an anarchist doesn't make you crazy. I'm not claiming to be one, but it's not like they're all idiots. Blowing shit up, however, is dumb, but explosions are also super cool soo...
I claim to be one and this is genuinely offensive, bro
oh so you're against universal healthcare, social security and the police
that's funny because I thought, you know, the exact opposite
Yes he was. I'm not saying the other actors aren't deserving also, he absolutely should be on that list and I don't see how anyone could argue with him winning it.
Eh, the whole time I just kept thinking that I preferred Nicholson
ok, that is weird. Nicholson was just pure camp and there was no immersion.
Ledger's Joker had a reason for doing everything he did, even if the reason was crazy.
edit: yes, Marcus. let's
How did Ledger's Joker have any more reason than Nicholson's?
Nicholson's joker is just pissed at batman because he got sold out by his boss and couldn't get anything better than a shitty mob surgeon. Then he goes around acting like a clown. Someone wronged you and you're just constantly joking about it? O_o
Ledger's joker is a genuine sociopath and has a very particular point he is trying to prove. He's only interested in Batman because he's the antithesis to the particular brand of crazy the Joker likes to propagate. When he does something "comedic," like show off his "magic trick" near the beginning of the film, he's doing it because he is trying to show people how ridiculous their lives are. He's the Joker because it's a deliberate act, not because he ended up with a clown face because of an incompetent surgeon.
It's a great example of a movie where people miss the point, though.
yes because the only way not to be in love with that movie is if you missed the point
huh?
I'm not criticizing your opinion on Fight Club.
I'm just saying that a lot of people took it the wrong way. It is a good example of folks "not getting it", whether they liked it or not.
I wouldn't condemn multiple interpretation of any film, though. Especially something like Fight Club. People get out of it what they want to get out of it.
The problem with Fight Club is that even if the director is trying to satirize the horrible, stupid message
The source material is still in favor of it so it's pretty easy for people to see what they want
I feel the same way about Starship Troopers
The source material isn't in favor of destroying the world. "Joe"/"Jack"
dies at the end of the book.
If anything, it is just more neutral about it. It's not saying "let's destroy the world", it is just saying "here is a story about destroying the world."
Yes he was. I'm not saying the other actors aren't deserving also, he absolutely should be on that list and I don't see how anyone could argue with him winning it.
Eh, the whole time I just kept thinking that I preferred Nicholson
ok, that is weird. Nicholson was just pure camp and there was no immersion.
Ledger's Joker had a reason for doing everything he did, even if the reason was crazy.
edit: yes, Marcus. let's
How did Ledger's Joker have any more reason than Nicholson's?
Nicholson's joker is just pissed at batman because he got sold out by his boss and couldn't get anything better than a shitty mob surgeon. Then he goes around acting like a clown. Someone wronged you and you're just constantly joking about it? O_o
Ledger's joker is a genuine sociopath and has a very particular point he is trying to prove. He's only interested in Batman because he's the antithesis to the particular brand of crazy the Joker likes to propagate. When he does something "comedic," like show off his "magic trick" near the beginning of the film, he's doing it because he is trying to show people how ridiculous their lives are. He's the Joker because it's a deliberate act, not because he ended up with a clown face because of an incompetent surgeon.
I may have gotten too into this film.
Except that you don't know for sure why he ended up with that face, because they left that bit out (actually giving a shallower character, in my opinion.)
And you're minimize Nicholson far too much. The point of him getting the botched surgery is that, mentally, he snaps. He's not joking about it to let off steam, he's joking about it because he has gone crazy, and is musing on the absurdity of life, etc.
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RobchamThe Rabbit Kingof your pantsRegistered Userregular
edited January 2009
Urian thinks the dude from wanted is a hero
no wait I might be wrong on this someone help me
Noam Chomsky is revving up his van right now. He wants to run a bunch of you over.
bro you gotta read some Bakunin
dude rules
hmmmm. I'll look into it.
When I went into my Sociology class this semester and saw that Media Control and other Chomsky stuff was part of the reading I was all 8-)yesssssssss8-) with some double Fonz thumbs.
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One, he was just so vain, I'm mean that opening scene where Jerry Hall puts her hand on his shoulder and he looks at her with such disgust is absolutely hilarious
And the other is that I like the idea that the Joker was pretty crazy and violent before he became the Joker
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fuck "good literature"
Palahniuk is fun to read.
I am looking forward to Pygmy.
Also looking forward to Survivor actually getting made in to a movie again some day (the REAL tragedy of 9/11)
And yeah, Tyler Durden is a crazy fuck. I don't have a problem with people wanting to bail on your typical lifestyle, but Project Mayhem is supposed to be terrible.
here's how it's gonna go
First Rule of SE++ Fight Club
you do not talk about Fight Club
Second Rule of etc etc
LET'S BEAT UP SOME PUNKS
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Being an anarchist doesn't make you crazy or an idiot.
It does however mean that you are either ignorant or a stubborn idealist.
The real issue is that Anarchy doesn't sustain. Ultimately some one will build something, and force others in to it.
III AM THE ANTIICHRIIIST
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yes because the only way not to be in love with that movie is if you missed the point
What'd I miss?
But you don't have to want the end of things if you are an anarchist. You can still want order and a functional, sophisticated society. It's just one without government rule.
oh so you're against universal healthcare, social security and the police
that's funny because I thought, you know, the exact opposite
huh?
I'm not criticizing your opinion on Fight Club.
I'm just saying that a lot of people took it the wrong way. It is a good example of folks "not getting it", whether they liked it or not.
Love you.
What do you mean it's unsustainable? People basically did it for a long fucking time.
And I wish you well.
I'm gonna be chilling over here with the pragmatists, though.
say it like you mean it
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Let's go hang out with Noam
okay sorry misunderstood, you are right
The source material is still in favor of it so it's pretty easy for people to see what they want
I feel the same way about Starship Troopers
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Not really.
You had chieftains, and warlords, and all sorts of stuff.
this is you
Nicholson's joker is just pissed at batman because he got sold out by his boss and couldn't get anything better than a shitty mob surgeon. Then he goes around acting like a clown. Someone wronged you and you're just constantly joking about it? O_o
Ledger's joker is a genuine sociopath and has a very particular point he is trying to prove. He's only interested in Batman because he's the antithesis to the particular brand of crazy the Joker likes to propagate. When he does something "comedic," like show off his "magic trick" near the beginning of the film, he's doing it because he is trying to show people how ridiculous their lives are. He's the Joker because it's a deliberate act, not because he ended up with a clown face because of an incompetent surgeon.
I may have gotten too into this film.
I wouldn't condemn multiple interpretation of any film, though. Especially something like Fight Club. People get out of it what they want to get out of it.
The source material isn't in favor of destroying the world. "Joe"/"Jack"
If anything, it is just more neutral about it. It's not saying "let's destroy the world", it is just saying "here is a story about destroying the world."
I'd like to apologize for coming off as a fuck, because I have a feeling we'd actually agree on most of this.
where at?
let me go plant an IED in front of it
Bale you were just hanging out in this thread waiting weren't you
Who wants to talk about generative grammar
Except that you don't know for sure why he ended up with that face, because they left that bit out (actually giving a shallower character, in my opinion.)
And you're minimize Nicholson far too much. The point of him getting the botched surgery is that, mentally, he snaps. He's not joking about it to let off steam, he's joking about it because he has gone crazy, and is musing on the absurdity of life, etc.
no wait I might be wrong on this someone help me
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hmmmm. I'll look into it.
When I went into my Sociology class this semester and saw that Media Control and other Chomsky stuff was part of the reading I was all 8-)yesssssssss8-) with some double Fonz thumbs.
He was brilliant in JCVD.