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New PETA Anti-Sealing Ad Madness

basic_techbasic_tech __BANNED USERS regular
edited February 2009 in Debate and/or Discourse
So I don't have a link to this, but I'll try to describe it and hope someone out there can find me one. This really should be seen.

PETA has a new commercial. It depicts a man out for a drive on a snow covered plain... he stops his vehicle and gets out to check something. Then some wildman with a club comes screaming at him out of nowhere and proceeds to beat his head in. This is all done slightly off camera of course, but the splash of blood across the windshield of his truck make it obvious he's just been viciously murdered. His murderer then proceeds to steal his coat and run off.

I saw it on the local news tonight and I was blown away.

Don't get me wrong, I hate people who mistreat their pets, but does anyone here think its wrong to equate an animal hunt thats been a necessary way of life for hundreds of years to the vicious and callous murder of a human being?

Has PETA lost their marbles?

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    Undead ScottsmanUndead Scottsman Registered User regular
    edited February 2009
    basic_tech wrote: »
    So I don't have a link to this, but I'll try to describe it and hope someone out there can find me one. This really should be seen.

    PETA has a new commercial. It depicts a man out for a drive on a snow covered plain... he stops his vehicle and gets out to check something. Then some wildman with a club comes screaming at him out of nowhere and proceeds to beat his head in. This is all done slightly off camera of course, but the splash of blood across the windshield of his truck make it obvious he's just been viciously murdered. His murderer then proceeds to steal his coat and run off.

    I saw it on the local news tonight and I was blown away.

    Don't get me wrong, I hate people who mistreat their pets, but does anyone here think its wrong to equate an animal hunt thats been a necessary way of life for hundreds of years to the vicious and callous murder of a human being?

    Has PETA lost their marbles?

    PETA, as an organization, lost their marbles at about the same instant they became an organization. They have never been sane. This is just another in a long, long, long, long string of wacky, crazy and disturbing shit they have done.

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    ScalfinScalfin __BANNED USERS regular
    edited February 2009
    Is Canadian health care and economics based upon seal skins or something? I'm not exactly sure if anybody actually needs anything from the seal anymore.

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    PonyPony Registered User regular
    edited February 2009
    people only get enraged about seal hunting because baby seals are cute looking

    we hunt lots of animals

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    ZoolanderZoolander Registered User regular
    edited February 2009
    Man, there's like 5 million seals out there. They're not going to go extinct any time soon. Some really poor people make money off these seal hunts. If you oppose seal hunts, then you have to oppose any sort of economic activity that harms animals.

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    Jean Claude Van CalmJean Claude Van Calm 'sup? Awesome Possum.Registered User regular
    edited February 2009
    Apparently seals just aren't smart enough for anyone to care.

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    CokebotleCokebotle 穴掘りの 電車内Registered User regular
    edited February 2009
    Seriously, fuck PETA.

    I still get a kick out of Penn & Teller's Bullshit episode on them. Oh, and their flash game that was made to parody Cooking Mama was hilarious! I love that game...

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    Phil G.Phil G. __BANNED USERS regular
    edited February 2009
    Scalfin wrote: »
    Is Canadian health care and economics based upon seal skins or something? I'm not exactly sure if anybody actually needs anything from the seal anymore.

    Economics? It is a huge part of the economy out east. HUGE. After the collapse of the almighty Cod, seal is one of the only things they have going for them out there. Seals are nuisances that have been hunted for hundreds of years, there are quotas in place to protect them from any danger of extinction.

    PETA is being its usual self.

    And before we get into the debate about cruelty and all that jazz, I'll state some things:

    Using a gun against a seal is much much much more likely to be cruel compared to the traditional club. With a rifle, you can hit a non vital part, allowing the seal to suffer much longer as it bleeds out under the ice where no one can get it.

    Skinning alive is a propaganda piece that PETA loves to use. You have to poke the seal in the eye to check for reflexes before you start skinning.

    Lastly, seal fur is awesome and oh so soft.

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    Richard_DastardlyRichard_Dastardly Registered User regular
    edited February 2009
    Zoolander wrote: »
    Man, there's like 5 million seals out there. They're not going to go extinct any time soon. Some really poor people make money off these seal hunts. If you oppose seal hunts, then you have to oppose any sort of economic activity that harms animals.

    I'm sure the same goes for people hunting elephants for ivory and rhinos for their horns.

    Oh yeah, and a lot of poor people in China make their living by milking bears for their bile.

    If the seals are a source of food and their furs are a profitable byproduct, then it's no problem. But if jackasses are hunting them simply because they make a pretty scarf, then that's fucking immoral.

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    basic_techbasic_tech __BANNED USERS regular
    edited February 2009
    The seal hunt is already pretty dangerous. PETA could end up killing a lot of people just trying to make a living if they try to pull some stupid stunt. Will that make their message better... or worse?

    Isn't this kind of propaghanda a sort of terrorism? If they're willing to say that killing seals is as bad as killing people, maybe some of them are the type to go looking for revenge?

    As an organization, I'd personally put PETA in the same realm as Scientology. Both of them thrive on media and celebrity.

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    RichyRichy Registered User regular
    edited February 2009
    Canadians do not brutally club seals (we have much more humane hunting methods) and we do not hunt the cute white baby ones (we hunt them when they're older). But don't expect to see any of that in an anti-sealing ad. It's way easier to get people outraged over the brutal clubbing of cute white baby seals than the humane hunting of less cute, older grey seals.

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    Dark MoonDark Moon Registered User regular
    edited February 2009
    Zoolander wrote: »
    Man, there's like 5 million seals out there. They're not going to go extinct any time soon. Some really poor people make money off these seal hunts. If you oppose seal hunts, then you have to oppose any sort of economic activity that harms animals.

    I'm sure the same goes for people hunting elephants for ivory and rhinos for their horns.

    Oh yeah, and a lot of poor people in China make their living by milking bears for their bile.

    If the seals are a source of food and their furs are a profitable byproduct, then it's no problem. But if jackasses are hunting them simply because they make a pretty scarf, then that's fucking immoral.

    Except your examples are all endangered, whereas the seals in question are not. How much of a non-endangered animal must you plan to use before it's okay to kill it? If you object to killing an animal just for its hides, do you also object to killing an animal just for its flesh?

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    QuidQuid Definitely not a banana Registered User regular
    edited February 2009
    ITT: PETA is full of crazies still!

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    Raiden333Raiden333 Registered User regular
    edited February 2009
    I think PETA needs to go protest a Hell's Angels rally for wearing leather.

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    Limp mooseLimp moose Registered User regular
    edited February 2009
    Why does the media even give peta any print space at all.

    Fuck those guys. And all eco terrorists in general.

    Although the naked chicks saying no to fur can stay. But only if they stay naked and don't talk.

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    QuidQuid Definitely not a banana Registered User regular
    edited February 2009
    Apparently seals just aren't smart enough for anyone to care.
    Seals are not endangered and can, in fact, breed more than the environment can support. Same with deer. Which is why I'm not particularly bugged by this.

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    Limp mooseLimp moose Registered User regular
    edited February 2009
    Quid wrote: »
    Apparently seals just aren't smart enough for anyone to care.
    Seals are not endangered and can, in fact, breed more than the environment can support. Same with deer. Which is why I'm not particularly bugged by this.

    So can humans are they ok to hunt?

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    PowerpuppiesPowerpuppies drinking coffee in the mountain cabinRegistered User regular
    edited February 2009
    Limp moose wrote: »
    Quid wrote: »
    Apparently seals just aren't smart enough for anyone to care.
    Seals are not endangered and can, in fact, breed more than the environment can support. Same with deer. Which is why I'm not particularly bugged by this.

    So can humans are they ok to hunt?

    No. Humans can think. Do you have any serious question here?

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    Robos A Go GoRobos A Go Go Registered User regular
    edited February 2009
    I don't see the difference between this and those anti-weed ads where someone smokes up and then runs over an old lady or shoots their friend or something.

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    Limp mooseLimp moose Registered User regular
    edited February 2009
    serious question. about your response.

    So if the reason we can't hunt something is because it can think. That is a pretty loose definition isn't it? Who gets to decide what animals think and which ones don't. How smart does the animal have to be.

    Dolphin smart?

    Trained dog smart?

    Apparently not seal smart. (although those seals at sea world do some pretty neat tricks so I would say that at some level can think a little bit)

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    Wonder_HippieWonder_Hippie __BANNED USERS regular
    edited February 2009
    Quid wrote: »
    Apparently seals just aren't smart enough for anyone to care.
    Seals are not endangered and can, in fact, breed more than the environment can support. Same with deer. Which is why I'm not particularly bugged by this.

    The reason that happens with deer, though, is because of human actions, not a virtue of the animal on its own. I suspect the same thing might be true for seals, but I don't know. But I do know that seal hunting also isn't something that happens on the level of whale hunting. It seems like something that maintains profitability without a large initial investment.

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    MarathonMarathon Registered User regular
    edited February 2009
    Know what other animals are cute? Deer
    They are also delicious.

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    PowerpuppiesPowerpuppies drinking coffee in the mountain cabinRegistered User regular
    edited February 2009
    Limp moose wrote: »
    serious question. about your response.

    So if the reason we can't hunt something is because it can think. That is a pretty loose definition isn't it? Who gets to decide what animals think and which ones don't. How smart does the animal have to be.

    Dolphin smart?

    Trained dog smart?

    Apparently not seal smart. (although those seals at sea world do some pretty neat tricks so I would say that at some level can think a little bit)

    Human smart. If you are human smart or endangered you get a pass. That's it.

    Edit: Or if there are practical, unsentimental reasons why hunting the animal is objectively bad.

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    Limp mooseLimp moose Registered User regular
    edited February 2009
    would whale hunting be bad if they didn't drive the whales to extinction. IE there was no danger of the whale population shrinking.

    Or do they get thinking animal status protection? (is there even such a thing?)

    Why do we protect some animals (big cute whales) and not others (Blue crabs in Maryland. Which are very popular and being fished to almost extinction)

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    Robos A Go GoRobos A Go Go Registered User regular
    edited February 2009
    Limp moose wrote: »
    serious question. about your response.

    So if the reason we can't hunt something is because it can think. That is a pretty loose definition isn't it? Who gets to decide what animals think and which ones don't. How smart does the animal have to be.

    Dolphin smart?

    Trained dog smart?

    Apparently not seal smart. (although those seals at sea world do some pretty neat tricks so I would say that at some level can think a little bit)

    Human smart. If you are human smart or endangered you get a pass. That's it.

    Edit: Or if there are practical, unsentimental reasons why hunting the animal is objectively bad.

    Or a house pet.

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    QuidQuid Definitely not a banana Registered User regular
    edited February 2009
    Limp moose wrote: »
    serious question. about your response.

    So if the reason we can't hunt something is because it can think. That is a pretty loose definition isn't it? Who gets to decide what animals think and which ones don't. How smart does the animal have to be.

    Dolphin smart?

    Trained dog smart?

    Apparently not seal smart. (although those seals at sea world do some pretty neat tricks so I would say that at some level can think a little bit)
    We put down dogs and cats all the time because they overbreed. Not an issue with dolphins.

    @Hippy: Yeah I know, and it's not something I'm happy about, but I'd rather the animals died from a gunshot than from starvation after stripping the land bare around them.

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    WibodWibod Registered User regular
    edited February 2009
    Don't expect PETA to mention that the money from the seal hunt is up to 50% of some families annual income out east. Or that almost every part of the seal is used or sold. Lets also not forget that the seals cause problems for the fisheries if they are allowed to breed unchecked and fuck over those out east even more.

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    QuidQuid Definitely not a banana Registered User regular
    edited February 2009
    Limp moose wrote: »
    would whale hunting be bad if they didn't drive the whales to extinction. IE there was no danger of the whale population shrinking.

    Or do they get thinking animal status protection? (is there even such a thing?)

    Why do we protect some animals (big cute whales) and not others (Blue crabs in Maryland. Which are very popular and being fished to almost extinction)
    Oh, and the real issue I have with whale hunting isn't so much their intelligence but with the inherent cruelty necessary in killing one. Explosive harpoons are not a humane way to kill something.

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    FencingsaxFencingsax It is difficult to get a man to understand, when his salary depends upon his not understanding GNU Terry PratchettRegistered User regular
    edited February 2009
    Limp moose wrote: »
    would whale hunting be bad if they didn't drive the whales to extinction. IE there was no danger of the whale population shrinking.

    Or do they get thinking animal status protection? (is there even such a thing?)

    Why do we protect some animals (big cute whales) and not others (Blue crabs in Maryland. Which are very popular and being fished to almost extinction)
    Yeah, we're putting quotas and shit on those crabs.

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    Limp mooseLimp moose Registered User regular
    edited February 2009
    Limp moose wrote: »
    serious question. about your response.

    So if the reason we can't hunt something is because it can think. That is a pretty loose definition isn't it? Who gets to decide what animals think and which ones don't. How smart does the animal have to be.

    Dolphin smart?

    Trained dog smart?

    Apparently not seal smart. (although those seals at sea world do some pretty neat tricks so I would say that at some level can think a little bit)

    Human smart. If you are human smart or endangered you get a pass. That's it.

    Edit: Or if there are practical, unsentimental reasons why hunting the animal is objectively bad.

    So then you are fine with the whale hunters because they are not endangering those whales?

    Because I like that definition. It make sense and treats all animals the same regardless of some weirdo OH they can think or CUTE! reason.

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    Der Waffle MousDer Waffle Mous Blame this on the misfortune of your birth. New Yark, New Yark.Registered User regular
    edited February 2009
    Quid wrote: »
    Apparently seals just aren't smart enough for anyone to care.
    Seals are not endangered and can, in fact, breed more than the environment can support. Same with deer. Which is why I'm not particularly bugged by this.

    The reason that happens with deer, though, is because of human actions, not a virtue of the animal on its own. I suspect the same thing might be true for seals, but I don't know. But I do know that seal hunting also isn't something that happens on the level of whale hunting. It seems like something that maintains profitability without a large initial investment.
    Isn't whole reason we have these problems with deer/seal overpopulation is because we hunted a lot of their natural predators to (near) extinction.

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    PowerpuppiesPowerpuppies drinking coffee in the mountain cabinRegistered User regular
    edited February 2009
    Limp moose wrote: »
    serious question. about your response.

    So if the reason we can't hunt something is because it can think. That is a pretty loose definition isn't it? Who gets to decide what animals think and which ones don't. How smart does the animal have to be.

    Dolphin smart?

    Trained dog smart?

    Apparently not seal smart. (although those seals at sea world do some pretty neat tricks so I would say that at some level can think a little bit)

    Human smart. If you are human smart or endangered you get a pass. That's it.

    Edit: Or if there are practical, unsentimental reasons why hunting the animal is objectively bad.

    Or a house pet.

    If there's a wild poodle colony out there somewhere that someone wants to hunt, I'm kind of okay with it.

    Edit: Yeah, I'm down with whale hunting if the whales they are hunting aren't endangered. I'd love to try a whaleburger.

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    QuidQuid Definitely not a banana Registered User regular
    edited February 2009
    Quid wrote: »
    Apparently seals just aren't smart enough for anyone to care.
    Seals are not endangered and can, in fact, breed more than the environment can support. Same with deer. Which is why I'm not particularly bugged by this.

    The reason that happens with deer, though, is because of human actions, not a virtue of the animal on its own. I suspect the same thing might be true for seals, but I don't know. But I do know that seal hunting also isn't something that happens on the level of whale hunting. It seems like something that maintains profitability without a large initial investment.
    Isn't whole reason we have these problems with deer/seal overpopulation is because we hunted a lot of their natural predators to (near) extinction.
    Don't know about the seals but it's definitely the case for the deer.

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    Limp mooseLimp moose Registered User regular
    edited February 2009
    Quid wrote: »
    Limp moose wrote: »
    would whale hunting be bad if they didn't drive the whales to extinction. IE there was no danger of the whale population shrinking.

    Or do they get thinking animal status protection? (is there even such a thing?)

    Why do we protect some animals (big cute whales) and not others (Blue crabs in Maryland. Which are very popular and being fished to almost extinction)
    Oh, and the real issue I have with whale hunting isn't so much their intelligence but with the inherent cruelty necessary in killing one. Explosive harpoons are not a humane way to kill something.

    Well how do you humanely kill a whale?

    I mean they are fucking huge. Exploding harpoons is about the best you can hope for to still keep the fuckers in enough pieces to get something out of the carcass.

    Can you only kill it if you can do it humanely?

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    Der Waffle MousDer Waffle Mous Blame this on the misfortune of your birth. New Yark, New Yark.Registered User regular
    edited February 2009
    Quid wrote: »
    Quid wrote: »
    Apparently seals just aren't smart enough for anyone to care.
    Seals are not endangered and can, in fact, breed more than the environment can support. Same with deer. Which is why I'm not particularly bugged by this.

    The reason that happens with deer, though, is because of human actions, not a virtue of the animal on its own. I suspect the same thing might be true for seals, but I don't know. But I do know that seal hunting also isn't something that happens on the level of whale hunting. It seems like something that maintains profitability without a large initial investment.
    Isn't whole reason we have these problems with deer/seal overpopulation is because we hunted a lot of their natural predators to (near) extinction.
    Don't know about the seals but it's definitely the case for the deer.
    Polar Bears, I guess?

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    QuidQuid Definitely not a banana Registered User regular
    edited February 2009
    Limp moose wrote: »
    Quid wrote: »
    Limp moose wrote: »
    would whale hunting be bad if they didn't drive the whales to extinction. IE there was no danger of the whale population shrinking.

    Or do they get thinking animal status protection? (is there even such a thing?)

    Why do we protect some animals (big cute whales) and not others (Blue crabs in Maryland. Which are very popular and being fished to almost extinction)
    Oh, and the real issue I have with whale hunting isn't so much their intelligence but with the inherent cruelty necessary in killing one. Explosive harpoons are not a humane way to kill something.

    Well how do you humanely kill a whale?

    I mean they are fucking huge. Exploding harpoons is about the best you can hope for to still keep the fuckers in enough pieces to get something out of the carcass.

    Can you only kill it if you can do it humanely?
    Go wild. Good luck with creating a whale farm.

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    Limp mooseLimp moose Registered User regular
    edited February 2009
    Limp moose wrote: »
    serious question. about your response.

    So if the reason we can't hunt something is because it can think. That is a pretty loose definition isn't it? Who gets to decide what animals think and which ones don't. How smart does the animal have to be.

    Dolphin smart?

    Trained dog smart?

    Apparently not seal smart. (although those seals at sea world do some pretty neat tricks so I would say that at some level can think a little bit)

    Human smart. If you are human smart or endangered you get a pass. That's it.

    Edit: Or if there are practical, unsentimental reasons why hunting the animal is objectively bad.

    Or a house pet.

    If there's a wild poodle colony out there somewhere that someone wants to hunt, I'm kind of okay with it.

    Edit: Yeah, I'm down with whale hunting if the whales they are hunting aren't endangered. I'd love to try a whaleburger.

    I am totally in agreement on that.

    I have another question for you. If you think its ok to kill / hunt an animal that is not going extinct is ok. What about hunting animals just for sport. Not using the meat or gaining anything by it just going out to bag a tiger to get a kick ass rug.

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    JebusUDJebusUD Adventure! Candy IslandRegistered User regular
    edited February 2009
    Cokebotle wrote: »
    I still get a kick out of Penn & Teller's Bullshit episode on them.

    That episode sucked. It was all just ad hominem and "deal with it" and "oh look the peta people use things that were made by animal testing." The Nazis tested medical things on Jews. That doesn't make me a Nazi too if I use those things.

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    WibodWibod Registered User regular
    edited February 2009
    Quid wrote: »
    Quid wrote: »
    Apparently seals just aren't smart enough for anyone to care.
    Seals are not endangered and can, in fact, breed more than the environment can support. Same with deer. Which is why I'm not particularly bugged by this.

    The reason that happens with deer, though, is because of human actions, not a virtue of the animal on its own. I suspect the same thing might be true for seals, but I don't know. But I do know that seal hunting also isn't something that happens on the level of whale hunting. It seems like something that maintains profitability without a large initial investment.
    Isn't whole reason we have these problems with deer/seal overpopulation is because we hunted a lot of their natural predators to (near) extinction.
    Don't know about the seals but it's definitely the case for the deer.
    Polar Bears, I guess?
    Not really, seals natural predators in those parts were primarily whales iirc.

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    QuidQuid Definitely not a banana Registered User regular
    edited February 2009
    Google tells me polar bears love them some seals.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ef1VMw6XRt4

    God bless youtube.

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    Wonder_HippieWonder_Hippie __BANNED USERS regular
    edited February 2009
    Wibod wrote: »
    Not really, seals natural predators in those parts were primarily whales iirc.

    Is it orcas? Are orcas frequently hunted?

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