Pepsi Throwback - Pure Cane Sugar in Soda? (update: It's back!)

urahonkyurahonky Cynical Old ManRegistered User regular
edited August 2010 in Debate and/or Discourse
http://munchmonster.com/main/pepsi-introducing-pure-sugar-sodas.html
On April 20th Pepsi will start selling versions of Pepsi and Mountain Dew that use real sugar, rather than nasty high fructose corn syrup. The drinks will only be available until June, and while I’m hoping this is a test run to bring the big soda boys back into the sugar camp it probably has a little more to do with Passover. Jewish people who observe Passover generally don’t consume grains; hence the reason for seeking out sugar based sodas. Kosher Pepsi and Kosher Coke have been providing this alternative every year for awhile now, so no Jewish persons need go without a fizzy pop. But this is the first time Pepsi has made a serious push in the US market to test out pure sugar versions of Pepsi-Cola and Mountain Dew in a long while.

Of course you can still get pure cane sodas, if you search for them. Here in Syracuse I favor Jones Soda, a Canadian company, for my carbonated sweet drink choice. The great news is Pepsi has said the price for the pure sugar version will be the same as the traditional one. A concern since HFCS has been used for so long due to its absurdly lower price.

I know you shouldn’t really drink pop at all, but if you do it should be made with sugar. So go out and support this product, and even if we’re not eating or drinking healthy…we’re at least a tad bit healthier. Baby steps out of the office, and baby steps onto the elevator.

TL;DR: Pepsi is going to be releasing a pure cane soda, instead of using high fructose corn syrup. Both will be sold, and they will apparently let the consumers decide which is better and stick with it.

What're your thoughts on this? This sounds like a fantastic idea, in my opinion.

e: http://www.bevreview.com/2009/08/10/pepsi-mountain-dew-throwback-to-return-in-december-for-8-weeks/ It looks like it's coming back in December!

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  • archonwarparchonwarp Registered User regular
    edited February 2009
    Giving the customers what they want is awesome. Only good can come out of this, either in the form of people genuinely liking the taste more and it staying that way, or people will quit bitching as much about the taste difference and let it rest.

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  • ScalfinScalfin __BANNED USERS regular
    edited February 2009
    There are Jews who drink mountain dew? I thought it was the exclusive domain of evangelicals.

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  • archonwarparchonwarp Registered User regular
    edited February 2009
    Scalfin wrote: »
    There are Jews who drink mountain dew? I thought it was the exclusive domain of basement dwelling weeaboos who play D&D

    FTFY :P

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  • SamSam Registered User regular
    edited February 2009
    I think no one will care/notice enough and they'll go back to hcfs. It's sad because cane sugar doesnt make the sodaish taste stay in your saliva that much.

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  • urahonkyurahonky Cynical Old Man Registered User regular
    edited February 2009
    Scalfin wrote: »
    There are Jews who drink mountain dew? I thought it was the exclusive domain of evangelicals.

    I'd make a Mountain Jew joke, but that'd be pretty tasteless wouldn't it?

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  • mcdermottmcdermott Registered User regular
    edited February 2009
    Scalfin wrote: »
    There are Jews who drink mountain dew? I thought it was the exclusive domain of evangelicals.

    Yeah, I had no idea that Jews were into BMX Freestylin'.

    Anyway, this can only be a good thing. If nothing else, I get a month of drinking some regular Pepsi that tastes a fuckload better.

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  • ElkiElki get busy Moderator, ClubPA Mod Emeritus
    edited February 2009
    Awesome! I hope it sells well.

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  • ElkiElki get busy Moderator, ClubPA Mod Emeritus
    edited February 2009
    I'll definitely be buying many cases, because I love Pepsi, but can only find Mexi-Coke around here and not Mexi-Pepsi.

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  • JacobkoshJacobkosh Gamble a stamp. I can show you how to be a real man!Moderator mod
    edited February 2009
    Elki wrote: »
    Awesome! I hope it sells well.

    This whole thing reminds me that I need to get a few cases of that Dublin Dr. Pepper business.

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  • DuffelDuffel jacobkosh Registered User regular
    edited February 2009
    I'd say this will sell well. Everybody I know who's ever had a real sugar-based soda spends the rest of their lives searching for ways to get a hold of more of them, because HFCS just doesn't compare at all. I just hope that it hurts Coca-Cola enough that they have to start producing sugar-based Cokes, because I've never really been a Pepsi fan. I treat myself to a Mexicoke once a week or so, but at $1.49 a bottle I'd like for things to be a little more convenient.

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  • NoneoftheaboveNoneoftheabove Just a conforming non-conformist. Twilight ZoneRegistered User regular
    edited February 2009
    I've given up pop because of this. When I drink a regular can of Coke, there is a difference in taste to me over the old fashioned glass bottle and real sugar. With the aluminum cans it seems like Coke has a more metallic and acidic taste. Drinking it out of the plastic bottle and it is still shit, just shit that goes room temperature more quickly. When and if I do buy a soda, I'm buying it imported from Mexico in the glass bottle variety.

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  • NocrenNocren Lt Futz, Back in Action North CarolinaRegistered User regular
    edited February 2009
    Ever since BevMo moved into my town, I've rediscovered the awesomeness of cane sugar cola. Unfortunately it's overpriced and not a name brand but damn if it isn't clean tasting.

    That and Lenninade.

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  • urahonkyurahonky Cynical Old Man Registered User regular
    edited February 2009
    I am with you guys. I'm not a big soda drinker, but when I do I vastly prefer pure cane sugar. I will be buying a TON of this stuff when it hits the shelves.

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  • ScalfinScalfin __BANNED USERS regular
    edited February 2009
    mcdermott wrote: »
    Scalfin wrote: »
    There are Jews who drink mountain dew? I thought it was the exclusive domain of evangelicals.

    Yeah, I had no idea that Jews were into BMX Freestylin'.

    Anyway, this can only be a good thing. If nothing else, I get a month of drinking some regular Pepsi that tastes a fuckload better.

    I was mainly commenting on the fact that, were I in an area where you could find "mountain dew mouth," I would be scared for my life.

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  • DuffelDuffel jacobkosh Registered User regular
    edited February 2009
    I've given up pop because of this. When I drink a regular can of Coke, there is a difference in taste to me over the old fashioned glass bottle and real sugar. With the aluminum cans it seems like Coke has a more metallic and acidic taste. Drinking it out of the plastic bottle and it is still shit, just shit that goes room temperature more quickly. When and if I do buy a soda, I'm buying it imported from Mexico in the glass bottle variety.
    This, too. I won't even drink a coke from a plastic bottle unless I just have to (although I think cans are vastly preferable to plastic). Everything tastes like shit from a plastic bottle. I was in Mexico a few years ago and every coke/soda you got was in a glass bottle. Just about everybody's house had a milk crate full of bottles to be returned and reused. I don't know why we can't do that here.

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  • Dunadan019Dunadan019 Registered User regular
    edited February 2009
    i don't know about this. it seems like a way to make pepsi look healthy by getting rid of the HFCS....

    pepsi with cane sugar is still gonna be unhealthy.

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  • ZimmydoomZimmydoom Accept no substitutes Registered User regular
    edited February 2009
    This is interesting, and I hope it goes well, but I'm not a big fan of Pepsi (and my mother is a Coca-Cola addict who has declared Holy War against PepsiCo). What I'd really like is to see more small soda manufacturers like Jones and Cap'n Eli's getting their product into the Wal-Marts and Safeways of the world.

    Jones Green Apple and Cap'n Eli's Fruit Punch are fucking fantastic.

    Cane sugar root beer is crap, though. For some reason every time I've had it (probably six or seven brands) it has always had a really artificial aftertaste. Something about cane sugar just doesn't work with an ol' fashioned sassafras. Although I haven't had a cane sugar birch beer yet, so maybe that works better.

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  • ScalfinScalfin __BANNED USERS regular
    edited February 2009
    Zimmydoom wrote: »
    This is interesting, and I hope it goes well, but I'm not a big fan of Pepsi (and my mother is a Coca-Cola addict who has declared Holy War against PepsiCo). What I'd really like is to see more small soda manufacturers like Jones and Cap'n Eli's getting their product into the Wal-Marts and Safeways of the world.

    Jones Green Apple and Cap'n Eli's Fruit Punch are fucking fantastic.

    Cane sugar root beer is crap, though. For some reason every time I've had it (probably six or seven brands) it has always had a really artificial aftertaste. Something about cane sugar just doesn't work with an ol' fashioned sassafras. Although I haven't had a cane sugar birch beer yet, so maybe that works better.

    No you don't. WalMart pressures suppliers into cutting standards and destroys anybody who refuses.

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  • NoneoftheaboveNoneoftheabove Just a conforming non-conformist. Twilight ZoneRegistered User regular
    edited February 2009
    The Mexi-Cokes I buy have reportedly more sugar added. I doubt that this is influencing my preference though, because I prefer Coke initially because it is less sweet than most pop.

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  • ElkiElki get busy Moderator, ClubPA Mod Emeritus
    edited February 2009
    Dunadan019 wrote: »
    i don't know about this. it seems like a way to make pepsi look healthy by getting rid of the HFCS....

    pepsi with cane sugar is still gonna be unhealthy.

    You're completely missing the point. It's gonna be delicious.

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  • ZimmydoomZimmydoom Accept no substitutes Registered User regular
    edited February 2009
    Scalfin wrote: »
    Zimmydoom wrote: »
    This is interesting, and I hope it goes well, but I'm not a big fan of Pepsi (and my mother is a Coca-Cola addict who has declared Holy War against PepsiCo). What I'd really like is to see more small soda manufacturers like Jones and Cap'n Eli's getting their product into the Wal-Marts and Safeways of the world.

    Jones Green Apple and Cap'n Eli's Fruit Punch are fucking fantastic.

    Cane sugar root beer is crap, though. For some reason every time I've had it (probably six or seven brands) it has always had a really artificial aftertaste. Something about cane sugar just doesn't work with an ol' fashioned sassafras. Although I haven't had a cane sugar birch beer yet, so maybe that works better.

    No you don't. WalMart pressures suppliers into cutting standards and destroys anybody who refuses.

    Well, I think you know what I mean. And Wal-Mart can't actually do crap to anybody until they're already dependent on Wal-Mart for their continued survival.

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  • MikeRyuMikeRyu Registered User regular
    edited February 2009
    I've seen this in the shops over here.

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  • Dunadan019Dunadan019 Registered User regular
    edited February 2009
    Elki wrote: »
    Dunadan019 wrote: »
    i don't know about this. it seems like a way to make pepsi look healthy by getting rid of the HFCS....

    pepsi with cane sugar is still gonna be unhealthy.

    You're completely missing the point. It's gonna be delicious.

    but so is cake frosting

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  • ElkiElki get busy Moderator, ClubPA Mod Emeritus
    edited February 2009
    Dunadan019 wrote: »
    Elki wrote: »
    Dunadan019 wrote: »
    i don't know about this. it seems like a way to make pepsi look healthy by getting rid of the HFCS....

    pepsi with cane sugar is still gonna be unhealthy.

    You're completely missing the point. It's gonna be delicious.

    but so is cake frosting

    Delicious cane sugar Pepsi.

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  • DevoutlyApatheticDevoutlyApathetic Registered User regular
    edited February 2009
    Scalfin wrote: »
    Zimmydoom wrote: »
    This is interesting, and I hope it goes well, but I'm not a big fan of Pepsi (and my mother is a Coca-Cola addict who has declared Holy War against PepsiCo). What I'd really like is to see more small soda manufacturers like Jones and Cap'n Eli's getting their product into the Wal-Marts and Safeways of the world.

    Jones Green Apple and Cap'n Eli's Fruit Punch are fucking fantastic.

    Cane sugar root beer is crap, though. For some reason every time I've had it (probably six or seven brands) it has always had a really artificial aftertaste. Something about cane sugar just doesn't work with an ol' fashioned sassafras. Although I haven't had a cane sugar birch beer yet, so maybe that works better.

    No you don't. WalMart pressures suppliers into cutting standards and destroys anybody who refuses.

    Eh, a little from column A and a little from column B. Wal-Mart will make sure you're supply chain shit is in order and fucking efficient. To their credit they're willing to help suppliers with this. They will also continually pressure you to lower your production costs or at least what you sell to them at. It can be a vicious cycle, especially once you're dependent on having the outlet Wal-Mart provides to you.

    I have seen Jones carried in my local Wal-mart, signal of doom or not, it's convenient.

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  • SamSam Registered User regular
    edited February 2009
    I'm something of a coke person, not because I dislike pepsi, in some ways it actually tastes better than coke. But because I grew up in a place that was decidedly coke over pepsi (hong kong). As in you basically didn't see pepsi unless you were eating at Pizza Hut/KFC (owned by pepsi) or went out of your way to get it (it usually wouldn't have a discount while coke products did quite often) I'm pretty sure there are very few pepsi vending machines, if any at all.

    Anyway if pepsi goes cane sugar, then that along with their better packaging would make me stop drinking coke.

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  • ScalfinScalfin __BANNED USERS regular
    edited February 2009
    Scalfin wrote: »
    Zimmydoom wrote: »
    This is interesting, and I hope it goes well, but I'm not a big fan of Pepsi (and my mother is a Coca-Cola addict who has declared Holy War against PepsiCo). What I'd really like is to see more small soda manufacturers like Jones and Cap'n Eli's getting their product into the Wal-Marts and Safeways of the world.

    Jones Green Apple and Cap'n Eli's Fruit Punch are fucking fantastic.

    Cane sugar root beer is crap, though. For some reason every time I've had it (probably six or seven brands) it has always had a really artificial aftertaste. Something about cane sugar just doesn't work with an ol' fashioned sassafras. Although I haven't had a cane sugar birch beer yet, so maybe that works better.

    No you don't. WalMart pressures suppliers into cutting standards and destroys anybody who refuses.

    Eh, a little from column A and a little from column B. Wal-Mart will make sure you're supply chain shit is in order and fucking efficient. To their credit they're willing to help suppliers with this. They will also continually pressure you to lower your production costs or at least what you sell to them at. It can be a vicious cycle, especially once you're dependent on having the outlet Wal-Mart provides to you.

    I have seen Jones carried in my local Wal-mart, signal of doom or not, it's convenient.

    I've heard stories that it'll use every bit of leverage it has to destroy you if you ever balk, even if you can survive them not carrying you any more.

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  • ZimmydoomZimmydoom Accept no substitutes Registered User regular
    edited February 2009
    Dunadan019 wrote: »
    Elki wrote: »
    Dunadan019 wrote: »
    i don't know about this. it seems like a way to make pepsi look healthy by getting rid of the HFCS....

    pepsi with cane sugar is still gonna be unhealthy.

    You're completely missing the point. It's gonna be delicious.

    but so is cake frosting

    And if we found out that Dutch scientists had just invented a new, more delicious cake frosting we would all be celebrating like happy Russian mice.

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  • DevoutlyApatheticDevoutlyApathetic Registered User regular
    edited February 2009
    Scalfin wrote: »
    Scalfin wrote: »
    Zimmydoom wrote: »
    This is interesting, and I hope it goes well, but I'm not a big fan of Pepsi (and my mother is a Coca-Cola addict who has declared Holy War against PepsiCo). What I'd really like is to see more small soda manufacturers like Jones and Cap'n Eli's getting their product into the Wal-Marts and Safeways of the world.

    Jones Green Apple and Cap'n Eli's Fruit Punch are fucking fantastic.

    Cane sugar root beer is crap, though. For some reason every time I've had it (probably six or seven brands) it has always had a really artificial aftertaste. Something about cane sugar just doesn't work with an ol' fashioned sassafras. Although I haven't had a cane sugar birch beer yet, so maybe that works better.

    No you don't. WalMart pressures suppliers into cutting standards and destroys anybody who refuses.

    Eh, a little from column A and a little from column B. Wal-Mart will make sure you're supply chain shit is in order and fucking efficient. To their credit they're willing to help suppliers with this. They will also continually pressure you to lower your production costs or at least what you sell to them at. It can be a vicious cycle, especially once you're dependent on having the outlet Wal-Mart provides to you.

    I have seen Jones carried in my local Wal-mart, signal of doom or not, it's convenient.

    I've heard stories that it'll use every bit of leverage it has to destroy you if you ever balk, even if you can survive them not carrying you any more.

    Eh. They're absolutely willing to walk away from almost anybody which is a big deal and quite uncommon. It baffles most business men who have no idea how to cope with that.

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  • matt has a problemmatt has a problem Points to 'off' Points to 'on'Registered User regular
    edited February 2009
    It's going to be more expensive. Not by much, if kosher Coke/Pepsi of years past is any indication it's about a 10-15 cent difference between HFCS and Sugar versions per can, and about 50 cents more for the 2 liters.

    Chances are though, they're going to put both kinds side by side, and people are going to pick up the cheaper version, thus dooming the real sugar version.

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  • Dunadan019Dunadan019 Registered User regular
    edited February 2009
    It's going to be more expensive. Not by much, if kosher Coke/Pepsi of years past is any indication it's about a 10-15 cent difference between HFCS and Sugar versions per can, and about 50 cents more for the 2 liters.

    Chances are though, they're going to put both kinds side by side, and people are going to pick up the cheaper version, thus dooming the real sugar version.

    thats why they will probably price regular pepsi up so that they are both the same.

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  • matt has a problemmatt has a problem Points to 'off' Points to 'on'Registered User regular
    edited February 2009
    Dunadan019 wrote: »
    It's going to be more expensive. Not by much, if kosher Coke/Pepsi of years past is any indication it's about a 10-15 cent difference between HFCS and Sugar versions per can, and about 50 cents more for the 2 liters.

    Chances are though, they're going to put both kinds side by side, and people are going to pick up the cheaper version, thus dooming the real sugar version.

    thats why they will probably price regular pepsi up so that they are both the same.
    Maybe, but I doubt it. Until the corn-industry-influenced tariffs on cane sugar are removed or reduced, we'll never have widespread sugar soda.

    Fuck corn.

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  • IncenjucarIncenjucar VChatter Seattle, WARegistered User regular
    edited February 2009
    I hope this does well. Even though I drink diet pepsi anyways.

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  • Dunadan019Dunadan019 Registered User regular
    edited February 2009
    Dunadan019 wrote: »
    It's going to be more expensive. Not by much, if kosher Coke/Pepsi of years past is any indication it's about a 10-15 cent difference between HFCS and Sugar versions per can, and about 50 cents more for the 2 liters.

    Chances are though, they're going to put both kinds side by side, and people are going to pick up the cheaper version, thus dooming the real sugar version.

    thats why they will probably price regular pepsi up so that they are both the same.
    Maybe, but I doubt it. Until the corn-industry-influenced tariffs on cane sugar are removed or reduced, we'll never have widespread sugar soda.

    Fuck corn.

    they could also sell can sugar pepsi for less profit in order to negate any difference in the first few months.

    its not gonna be much of a comparison if one costs more...

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  • matt has a problemmatt has a problem Points to 'off' Points to 'on'Registered User regular
    edited February 2009
    Dunadan019 wrote: »
    Dunadan019 wrote: »
    It's going to be more expensive. Not by much, if kosher Coke/Pepsi of years past is any indication it's about a 10-15 cent difference between HFCS and Sugar versions per can, and about 50 cents more for the 2 liters.

    Chances are though, they're going to put both kinds side by side, and people are going to pick up the cheaper version, thus dooming the real sugar version.

    thats why they will probably price regular pepsi up so that they are both the same.
    Maybe, but I doubt it. Until the corn-industry-influenced tariffs on cane sugar are removed or reduced, we'll never have widespread sugar soda.

    Fuck corn.

    they could also sell can sugar pepsi for less profit in order to negate any difference in the first few months.

    its not gonna be much of a comparison if one costs more...
    The other problem is they're still going to have to keep their prices competitive with all the other Colas too.

    Also, while I like current Pepsi more than current Coke, I like sugar Coke more than I like sugar Pepsi.

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  • BartholamueBartholamue Registered User regular
    edited February 2009
    No wonder I like Snapple. It's the glass bottles.

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  • Element BrianElement Brian Peanut Butter Shill Registered User regular
    edited February 2009
    Jones Soda for life yo.

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  • Shark_MegaByteShark_MegaByte Registered User regular
    edited February 2009
    I'll be trying this if it's not much more expensive.

    I've been cutting back on my pop intake because a lot of high-fructose corn syrup is contaminated with mercury from the manufacturing process.

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  • SamSam Registered User regular
    edited February 2009
    wow imagine the kind of class action suit...it'd never happen, at least not on a large scale but it's funny to think about.

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  • FyreWulffFyreWulff YouRegistered User, ClubPA regular
    edited February 2009
    Pepsi needs to bring back Doritos X13-D before they bring back stuff we can already get.

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