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MotW 03-04-09 Wherein we discuss why Kingpin is a badass

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    RingoRingo He/Him a distinct lack of substanceRegistered User regular
    edited March 2009
    Your local B&N or Borders has all 21 trades. Take a couple hours and enjoy the awesome.

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    Sterica wrote: »
    I know my last visit to my grandpa on his deathbed was to find out how the whole Nazi werewolf thing turned out.
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    WildcatWildcat Registered User regular
    edited March 2009
    wirehead26 wrote: »
    who died? spoil it for me because I will never read Ultimate Spider-Man

    And why the hell not Bastard?

    mostly because I am far too lazy to catch up to a story this far along.

    but also because, though I like Spider-Man, I never really cared enough to read stuff with him in it that is not Marvel Adventures or Spidey Super Stories.
    I love MA Spidey, but Ultimate Spidey is all kinds of awesome. Seriously.

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    Synthetic OrangeSynthetic Orange Registered User regular
    edited March 2009
    muninn wrote: »
    muninn wrote: »
    No Hero #4. It has been a very long time since a comic book disturbed me. D:

    But he's a hero!

    D:


    D:D:D:

    He just looks so fucking happy that he has powers at the last panel.

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    CrimsondudeCrimsondude Registered User regular
    edited March 2009
    KVW wrote: »
    KVW wrote: »
    smokmnky wrote: »
    I don't know who the guy was at the end of Secret Warriors, can someone tell me his name or link the wiki article on him

    Havent read it yet (save best for last), but if it's the guy on the cover, it's:

    Just read it. Here's who it actually is:
    Gorgon from Mark Millar's Wolverine run. It's actually the run where Wolverine is brainwashed and becomes part of Hydra. Gorgon was kind of a plot device for that story and was super strong, a genius from birth, healing factor, pyschic and could turn people to stone (hence the name). Wolverine reflected his shit back at him and shattered him in that arc. Also, Gorgon hates Nick Fury since Fury killed the woman he loves.

    I was reading that and saw the bottom panel with the dude broken into stone, and somehow the name just came to me (Well, it wasn't totally out of the blue. You see someone turned to stone and a couple of words immediately come to mind). And the only explanation would be because of the Internet, because I'd sooner punch myself in the dick than read Wolverine.

    Also, DD was amusing. I remember getting drunk out on the water when I visited Galicia, and another night I got kicked out of a club. Come to think of it, I got into more trouble there in one weekend than in the entire rest of the year I spent in Spain. Also, just for the record, of all the local Estrella brands Estrella Galicia is the worst. It tastes like, I don't know, formaldehyde or something. It's disgusting. But it is a lovely region, since it's pretty much the Iberian equivalent of the Pacific Northwest.

    Also, was I alone in hearing Diane Keaton from Godfather Part II (the scene in the D.C. hotel) when Vanessa is leaving him?

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    LucascraftLucascraft Registered User regular
    edited March 2009

    Also, was I alone in hearing Diane Keaton from Godfather Part II (the scene in the D.C. hotel) when Vanessa is leaving him?

    "I ABORTED YOUR BABY, MICHAEL"

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    CrimsondudeCrimsondude Registered User regular
    edited March 2009
    Yeah, that scene.

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    The Lovely BastardThe Lovely Bastard Registered User regular
    edited March 2009
    Ringo wrote: »
    Your local B&N or Borders has all 21 trades. Take a couple hours and enjoy the awesome.

    but I am too lazy

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    Robos A Go GoRobos A Go Go Registered User regular
    edited March 2009
    Too lazy to read? You must have the fattest, most lethargic eyes in the world.

    How are you even reading these comments?!

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    143999143999 Tellin' ya not askin' ya, not pleadin' with yaRegistered User regular
    edited March 2009
    Too lazy to read? You must have the fattest, most lethargic eyes in the world.

    How are you even reading these comments?!

    He probably isn't. After about six words, you could just start talking about his mom with impunity.

    Well, internet impunity, but still.

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    Robos A Go GoRobos A Go Go Registered User regular
    edited March 2009
    If you haven't read Ultimate Spider-Man before, this is a great deal. 12 issues for $20!

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    The Lovely BastardThe Lovely Bastard Registered User regular
    edited March 2009
    Too lazy to read? You must have the fattest, most lethargic eyes in the world.

    How are you even reading these comments?!

    I have to go to a store and read 21 trades and man that takes way too much time and eff that noise

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    MunchMunch Registered User regular
    edited March 2009
    Lots of good stuff came out this week; click the highlighted titles for previews.

    Secret Warriors was, again, quite good. I felt like it stuttered a bit compared to last month, due to its failure to spotlight the Secret Warriors, who only appear in seven of the book's twenty-two pages, rather than their antagonists. It's one of those things that comes across as a little odd in the monthly format, but will be unnoticeable if you buy the trade. The art's still fantastic, and the dialogue's still sharp as Hell, with the best moment of the book coming courtesy of Baron Strucker's acts of badassery in the opening pages, with the following inner monologue capping the whole thing off.

    Agents of Atlas was, like Secret Warriors, very good, though it fell a bit short of last month in terms of quality. As with Secret Warriors, the art and dialogue are spot on, and the plot's certainly engaging and entertaining. But this month's installment felt dragged down by several pages of as yet irrelevant flashbacks. Again, when reading it monthly it feels a little bothersome, but in a trade, I'm sure it'll read fine. High points of the issue included: Former supervillain Grizzly wearing a bear-skin coat, and being referred to as a "big pimp," by Gorilla Man, Namora beating Grizzly with a helicopter, Marvel Boy's first beer, and Temugin, son of the Mandarin, showing up to plague Jimmy Woo and the rest of the team, and much more.
    Temugin briefly decides to posture in front of the team, handily evading Namora and M-11 before incapacitating the team's most powerful member, Venus, all while criticizing Jimmy Woo's recent tactical decisions. Just about then, another team member shows up.
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    Marvel Boy telepathically attacking the Mandarin with a Lovecraftian Iron Man helmet?

    Awesome.

    Secret Six finally wrapped its first arc, and.. I dunno. It was a damn fine little romp filled with interesting bits of dialogue and characterization, and very nice art, but ultimately the whole thing just seemed to resolve a little too cleanly and easily. The whole issue's basically a giant fight scene, and a well done one, sprinkled with small character bits. The best one comes from the small side plot with Bane and Scandal that Simone has been steadily cultivating over the past seven issues. The pay-off ultimately feels a bit expected, but cathartic nonetheless.
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    Killer of Demons #1 debuted this week; written by Chris Yost (New X-Men, X-Force) and drawn by Scott Wegener (Atomic Robo, Punisher: War Journal), I wasn't sure what to expect. Yost has never exactly appealed to my sensibilities, but I love Wegener's art. Still, I figured I'd gamble a few bucks on it and what do you know? I'm pleasantly surprised. Here's the setup: A man begins experiencing visions, wherein a cantankerous cherub orders him to murder a bunch of demons which said man can suddenly see, although no one else can. Is he a schizophrenic suffering from a total mental meltdown, or a holy warrior blessed by God himself? That's the question. Between a great opening scene, some speedy character development in the middle, and a wonderful cliffhanger, I'll definitely be back for next month's issue.

    Although the book's filled with some nice scenes, including a fight at a demon-operated fast food joint, and a brief conversation between the protagonist and his brother, who plays WoW in order to catch pedophiles for the FBI, I think my favorite little bit comes from a page showing the hero's workplace.
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    Even if they aren't really demons, they're still total pricks. I love it.

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    FencingsaxFencingsax It is difficult to get a man to understand, when his salary depends upon his not understanding GNU Terry PratchettRegistered User regular
    edited March 2009
    Just as a question, how is Secret Warriors not a retcon on par with OMD? Is it just because it's written better?

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    Robos A Go GoRobos A Go Go Registered User regular
    edited March 2009
    What did Secret Warriors retcon?
    Are you talking about Hydra having infiltrated SHIELD to such a great extent?

    If so, I think it's also that the retcon itself is more plausible and SHIELD's history is a lot less important to fans than Spider-Man's.

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    KVWKVW Registered User regular
    edited March 2009
    What did Secret Warriors retcon?
    Are you talking about Hydra having infiltrated SHIELD to such a great extent?

    If so, I think it's also that the retcon itself is more plausible and SHIELD's history is a lot less important to fans than Spider-Man's.
    Also, it's an addition, not a retcon. Revealing something new that does not invalidate or contradict past stories about it is not a retcon. To me, it's a very plausible reveal that SHIELD could have been infiltrated over the years and, as it bloated up, been subverted for Hydra or any other evil organization.

    Having your character make a deal with the devil to wash away the past 20 years of stories as if they didnt happen does not rate on the same level as this AT ALL.

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    Robos A Go GoRobos A Go Go Registered User regular
    edited March 2009
    KVW wrote: »
    What did Secret Warriors retcon?
    Are you talking about Hydra having infiltrated SHIELD to such a great extent?

    If so, I think it's also that the retcon itself is more plausible and SHIELD's history is a lot less important to fans than Spider-Man's.
    Also, it's an addition, not a retcon. Revealing something new that does not invalidate or contradict past stories about it is not a retcon. To me, it's a very plausible reveal that SHIELD could have been infiltrated over the years and, as it bloated up, been subverted for Hydra or any other evil organization.

    Having your character make a deal with the devil to wash away the past 20 years of stories as if they didnt happen does not rate on the same level as this AT ALL.
    Naw, that's totally a retcon. Former writers didn't leave the door open for SHIELD to secretly be a malevolent organization. In fact, I'm sure that any diligent fan could dig through some back issues and find evidence that directly contradicts the latest plot twist.

    That said, the reveal is plausible enough, and I'm sure any resulting inconsistencies are easily forgivable.

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    CrimsondudeCrimsondude Registered User regular
    edited March 2009
    Please. Given its history, how could anyone not believe that the organization had clean hands. It has been infiltrated and taken over by every evil organization except the Boy Scouts.

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    FencingsaxFencingsax It is difficult to get a man to understand, when his salary depends upon his not understanding GNU Terry PratchettRegistered User regular
    edited March 2009
    Please. Given its history, how could anyone not believe that the organization had clean hands. It has been infiltrated and taken over by every evil organization except the Boy Scouts.
    Only after Fury left.

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    CrimsondudeCrimsondude Registered User regular
    edited March 2009
    Deltites.

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