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Another PS3 vs Xbox360 Thread
rocketshipready
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So, ideally, I'd like both, but I think that's a bit overkill. I've been going through a list of what I want out of the system, so here's that
I'm obviously leaning a bit towards the PS3, but that first point, the streaming media, is pretty big. I'd like to know that I could play my backed up DVDs on the PS3. I also want to make sure I'm not missing anything of interest on the Xbox. Thanks everyone!
It also should be noted I already have a Wii, and absolutely love it
- I'd like to stream some media from my PC to the system. One of the big things I want to do is back up my DVDs on my PC and then stream them through the system. I found a program that lets you play *.vob files through Windows Media Center, but I hear TVersity might also be good for this? I was kind of overwhelmed, though, and have to admit I didn't quite pick up all that TVersity could do
- Downloadable Content! It'd be cool to play Settlers of Catan and Carcassonne when friends aren't around to play it, but I think the PS3 wins in this category. The ThatGameCompany games look absolutely amazing (I've played flOw and know I love that), and who could pass up Nobi Nobi Boy? Am I missing anything on the Xbox?
- I really want LittleBigPlanet, which is the biggest factor in the gaming aspect, but I can't really think of anything else that jumps out at me (given, I haven't been keeping up with game releases). I obviously loved my PS2, specifically the Katamari series, Ico/Shadow of the Colossus, Okami, games like that. Games with interesting mechanics that thrived on beautiful/interesting/quirky art design. I'm not a huge fan of FPS's. On that note, though, I have a friend with an Xbox, so CoD and Left4Dead online with him would be pretty fun
I'm obviously leaning a bit towards the PS3, but that first point, the streaming media, is pretty big. I'd like to know that I could play my backed up DVDs on the PS3. I also want to make sure I'm not missing anything of interest on the Xbox. Thanks everyone!
It also should be noted I already have a Wii, and absolutely love it
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As far as games with awesome art design: see my sig. Valkyria Chronicles is an amazing strategy... shooter... thing, with a pretty sweet (if very Japanese) story. I will also heartily recommend Ratchet & Clank Future: Tools of Destruction (it is like playing a Pixar movie) and Uncharted: Drake's Fortune (to me it's like if Joss Whedon wrote an Indiana Jones movie and then got the awesomest actors in it). Uncharted might be a rental for you if you don't really like shooters all that much, but it's at least worth a rental. It is very, very good.
Stuff like Metal Gear Solid 4... well, you probably know already if you want it or not. Just be sure you've played the first 3 games if you are thinking about picking up 4.
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You should look at the Xbox Live Arcade catalog before you declare the PS3 the winner in this category. Braid strikes me as a DLC game that you might enjoy. I played Nobi Nobi Boy at a friend's place. The general consensus in the room was that it was more of an interactive toy than a game. I don't know, it didn't seem that interesting to me, YMMV.
You touch on this in the last bit there, I would like to say that if online play is something you'd like to do, the Xbox 360 has this nailed. It is absolutely the best thing about the 360 as far as I'm concerned. I don't play competitive FPSs on the 360, old-school Counterstrike is burned so deep in my muscle memory that I can't stand doing deathmatch without a keyboard and mouse. Playing FPSs co-op with friends on the 360, however, that I like a lot. Left 4 Dead is especially good co-op, I just wish there were more maps! The solid online support extends beyond the FPSs, too. I've played Rock Band and Rock Band 2 online with friends back in Vancouver, for example.
The PS3 seems to be much more hit and miss when it comes to online play. Gabe & Tycho's comments on their experiences with PSN and Killzone 2 give a pretty good example of the sort of problems that seem to come up with PSN-enabled titles, especially new ones. Not all titles have those sorts of problems, and they do tend to get resolved eventually, but I think it points to a fundamental error on Sony's part. Rather than having a standardized online system (as Microsoft has done with Live), they omitted many of these party system, friend-list and matchmaking tools and left it up to each game developer to build their own. Some developers put together good systems to support online play, but most don't because it's not their area of expertise.
Ultimately though, which console "wins" in terms of online play is probably going to depend on how many people you know with each system. If you've got more friends with one console or the other who play online, you'll probably have a better time joining the majority.
I've found the first critical flaw in your thinking.
And there's the second.
If you're going to be streaming Xvids you'll need a 360 as the PS3 fails at this currently. You can play them off an attached hard drive but they won't stream for fuck.
If you want LBP, well, there's the hard part.
Your solution: Ramen and adding to America's debt problem.
Also consider that the 360 is cheaper, if you mostly want to stream, and maybe play only a few downloadable games, you could just pick up an arcade unit. It comes with free games as a bonus. And you can always get a hard drive later.
I think the 360 downloadable catalog beats the PS3, hands-down. The PS3 does have some great games though, I just think the 360 has more.
PS3 has free online play, you have to pay for the 360, though it is a much nicer service and worth the paltry fee.
If your main concern is media streaming functionality over everything else, I think the 360 wins clearly. It's also half the price.
I own all 3 systems if you wanted to be sure I'm not just blindly singing praises.
Also 360 DOES have backward compatibility with the original Xbox, it isn't perfect, but it works for the most part. This was nice for me because i never owned the original Xbox so now i get to try a couple games that i always wanted to play but didn't have the system for.
I dont hate the PS3, i like it, and its a nice blu-ray player and media center device, but as a gaming device it has about 5 good titles. It just to me isn't really worth the asking price.
I own both consoles (don't own a Wii, not big into motion sensing games), and I'm pretty pleased with both. My Xbox 360 gets more use, but then again, I've owned it for more than three years, which is about three years longer than I've owned my PS3. One thing to keep in mind is backwards compatibility--new PS3s do not have it in any form (the last ones that had it were in 2007, I think). This is a shame as the PS2's library was massive and had many good titles.
The Xbox 360 has software backwards compatibility (like most PS3s that have BC of any form), and the library has gotten bigger over time (I don't think they're still adding games, but they might be). It's quite large, given the Xbox's catalog. This might effect your decisions if you happen to own or like other games from the last 'generation'.
The lineups for the two systems are practically identical. If you want to compare exclusives that's one thing, but saying the PS3 has 5 good titles is ridiculous, considering all the multi-platform games available.
The Xbox 360 has definitely been winning the DLC war lately, although it's debatable how much longer they will be willing to pay truckloads of money to get exclusive DLC for multi-platform games like Fallout 3 and GTA4.
PS3 controllers are rechargeable. Recharging a PS3 pad (even mid game) is as easy as plugging it back into the system with it's included (standard) USB cable.
PS3 pads can be plugged into a PC to be used as gamepads.
Blue Ray + Wi-FI built in.
If you want to move around your profiles/saves/any other data from/to your PS3, all you need is a flash drive.
PS3: Reliability + (potential) backwards compatiblity.
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The 360 requires you to pay monthly to play online.
360 controllers have you either buying batteries constantly or fumbling with rechargeable ones.
If your 360 pad's batteries happen to be out, you're going to have to get new batteries and switch them out. That's if you can even find your batteries. That's also if you even have a spare set of batteries handy.
the pads are also wireless only and would require the purchase of a bluetooth dongle to be used on PC. (or a separate wired pad altogether)
No Blue Ray + requires a 100$(ish?) adapter to connect to the internet wirelessly.
The 360 requires you to buy a separate memory card (50$ish?) if you're to so much as move your profile, which (for example) is required to play your DLC anywhere else.
RROD + other misc horror stories.
I don't own a 360, but I've heard good things about the game selection especially. People who have tried both claim XBL to be superior to PSN. I don't doubt it as it is after all a paid service, but I've had very few problems with PSN.
If I'm wrong on any of these, by all means let me know.
The charge 'n play kit pretty much solves this problem. It's a rechargeable pack plus a charging cables. It works like the PS3 controller, you can plug the cable in when you need to charge (and keep playing), leave it unplugged when you don't. It is an extra purchase, though.
You can just bring your hard drive with you and plug it into the other console. You do need to be able to connect to the 'net on the other 360 to sign in to your Live account, but other than that your DLC should work on the other console. If your 360 doesn't have a hard drive... god, never buy a 360 without a hard drive, that would just be foolish.
This alone warrants a PS3 with Valkyria Chronicles. You'll never regret it. You'd also be able to play Little Big Planet.
You don't mention it in your OP, but if you don't already have a Blu-Ray player, you should also consider the PS3.
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Or you could take the cheaper route and, y'know, buy rechargeable AAs. "Fumbling"? It's not exactly complicated. Everyone here is, I assume, capable of distinguishing their ass from a hole in the ground; they should be able to handle taking out a pair of batteries, putting them in the charger, taking the fresh pair out of the charger, and putting them in your controller. As an added bonus, these will work with whatever other wireless controllers you might have for other systems (the OP's Wiimotes, for example).
Alright it's not that big of a deal, it was just an opinionated pro/con thing.
Since we're talking about controllers--a weird thing I noticed about PS3 controllers: should you controller die in the middle of a game, a few games (maybe all?) do not pause. Why, I can't imagine. And this is not in multiplayer or the like. Very strange.
Another thing I've encountered, but might be a unique case to my own PS3: PS3 controllers do not charge in the system is 'off'--i.e. red light. The console must be on. Another small annoyance.
On a note on DLC--both PSN and XBL offer a lot of stuff for downloading. However, I've noticed two things about PSN: first off, no old titles from the 16-bit generation. All PS3s can play PS1 games (then again, so can any computer with a CD-ROM and very little effort), but older games are not stocked on PSN. Second, the PS3 seems to have gotten the short stick when it comes to a lot of big name exclusive content recently--the obvious examples are things like GTA IV, which is available on both Xbox 360 and PS3, but the 'Lost and Damned' is an Xbox exclusive. Apparently, the same is true with Fall Out 3. Even less famous titles like Tomb Raider: Underground are getting a lot of exclusive material. This has more to do with licensing and the like, but it still seems to be something to consider.
You get a pretty hard to miss message about low power in the pads, I've never actually managed to have one die entirely - The pausing I can't comment on, but I'd assume that each game would treat it differently, as a controller being unplugged in theory. Some pause and prompt you, some just act like it never happened.
As for your second point, I believe that's standard. I'd assume again that having them 'stop' charging while the system is off is not something they implemented, and therefore are doing it(this) to save you (and the planet!) power. It's not like they take very long to charge anyway.
In any case, I don't see why the games couldn't simply pause. I've become accustomed to knowing that a warning message is just that--if I'm particularly involved in a game, I find myself sometimes ignoring it. It's a small annoyance, but one all the same.
As for controller recharging--annoying, not a deal breaker by any means, but annoying. Having to leave the PS3 on for controllers to charge probably doesn't suck up that much juice, but given that the PS3 remains in standby anyway when you shut it off....well, I'm pretty sure it's not saving the planet, but it is a mild inconvenience. I am glad it's not just mine though--I thought my USB ports might have been underpowered or the like (I bought a used system--only way to get BC).
You can plug them into any USB power source, like a powered hub or your PC.
Or--and this might be a form of irony--my Xbox 360. It's one of the few powered USB devices in my living room (don't think the ones on my 37LG50 would work).
just make the final decision about which way you're going to go and start getting excited
Just one quick question on TVersity, though. I want to keep my DVD menu structure/special features intact, and it seems like ripping straight to .vob would be the best way to do this. Will TVersity support this? My research says yes, it will see it as an .mpg file, but I guess I just want to make sure. Thanks!
We know they're working on it, we just don't know what it is or when it's coming out. Rumour has it there'll be an announcement of some sort at E3, I think? There's a thread in G&T
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Should I choose between the 360 and the PS3 my choice would the PS3.
I like the 360 but apart from some the XBOX Live games I find that most of want I like is also coming for the PC. For those games the PC is both a better platform and the games are cheaper. Back in time I had great fun with Project Gotham Racing 3 & 4 on the 360 but today it is real hard to get any random games going in those due to lack of players :-(
The 360 has more games but the PS3 ones are more interesting and I'm sure the PS3 has a longer life than the 360 ahead of it. Also thinking longevity wise it seems Sony is the safe choice. Microsoft killed the original XBOX and Sony keeps supporting the PS2.
Apart from the games which is of course #1 in my view the PS3 is a nicer piece of kit. I like that it uses bluetooth and not a some Microsoft only thing. This fx. lets me use just about any headset out there and also Sony is fine with one replacing the hard drive with any standard one from a computer shop (the PS3 manual tells how). Blu ray is nice also and the whole is just more right (and silent).
Yes. Although those rumors are almost always denied until all of a sudden a price cut happens...what do you think announcing a price cut ahead of time does for current sales?
To anyone who has talked about a PS3 controller dying and the game not pausing, I have no idea what you are referring to. Literally everytime I lose a charge (and I always play a controller to empty charge before plugging it in) the game has paused.
Given the fact that LBP is the game you're into, I would strongly recommend checking out the PSN store. Lots of cheap, easy-to-pickup games with high fun factors, which is along the same vein as LBP. Most of the games you actually buy at a store will be more involved, which doesn't seem like what you're into.
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Either I'm playing the wrong games, or I've just got a weird Playstation 3. In any case, the thing doesn't pause (I could tell because I was still getting the crap beat out of me by enemies--for a second, I thought it had paused).
Be that as it may, it's yet another addition to the laundry list of extra expenses that comes with a 360.
It's not that I'm not into involved games, it's just that very few actually seem interesting. I liked LBP for the creativity that can go into the game, I liked Katamari for it's interesting dynamics, and I loved SotC due to its massive, beautiful landscapes and the fact that it was mostly a puzzle game. I played Bioshock, and while it looked pretty cool, and even had a pretty interesting story, I'm just not big on FPS's. That new Prince of Persia game was pretty neat, though, for the bit that I played (wasn't a huge fan of the voice acting, but the game itself seemed really well done). Uncharted looks like it can be really interesting, and Valkyria Chronicles looks like it has a really neat idea, but I'm not really into that anime look (to the point where it's a detraction).
On that note, the PSN games do look really fantastic, and are definitely a big selling point. I'm also following the other PS3 thread going on right now for game ideas, and its been a big help. Thanks everyone!
Not really...frankly, when I purchased mine, I didn't need a laundry list (it came with a HDD, remote, ethernet cable and HDTV component--what else did I need?). All I needed was games. No laundry list. I prefer AA batteries over the charge kit, and here's why: the second a controller dies, I can spend all of 5 to 10 seconds to switch out rechargeable batteries, putting the old ones into the charger and the new ones in my remote, and be back playing.
To do that, I'd need, say, twice as many chargers a I had controllers. Otherwise, I'd have to wait for it to charge--which can be useful for a break, but if I want to play, kind of an annoyance. Right now, I have only one PS3 controller--which means when it dies, I either stop playing or I need to sit close enough to my TV for the USB cable to charge it. Meanwhile, I've had dozens of rechargable batteries sitting around my home for years now, because they're used in practically everything. That's an advantage for batteries, anyway--I'm glad that I have the option for a charge kit, however.
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Not quite right. Plasmas are fine for gaming, especially the nicer ones. They require you to put them through a break-in period for the first 100 hours or so to be perfectly safe, but beyond that the burn-in is not the issue it once was. Especially since many games now include options are burn-in protection, and some TVs even include this as a feature. This has been debated at great length in the TV thread at Moe's, as well as all over HDTV mags. And the high end plasmas still somehow beat the high end LCDs in picture quality.
Edit: ok to qualify. Yes you need to take certain precautions with the plasmas you wouldn't take with the LCD. The point is that watching sports, or playing games, will not ensure you permanent burn-in. The most you might get is some mild Image Retention that the TV will erase. So I guess if you don't want to ever have to think about it, then yes plasma won't be the best choice. But most gamers can buy a plasma, break it in, and use it without fear of burn-in. It all falls down to the classic trade-off: being cautious with the plasmas vs. LCD's horrible off-axis performance and motion issues
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Really, you're making it out to seem way more complicated than it is. I can understand, system warz and all that. From reading the dude's OP it seems like he wants Flow and Little Big Guys, so I'd say a PS3 would be his best bet. The system doesn't interest me much because I'd rather play on XBL with a better controller, and lack of games lol.
Also, don't you have to purchase a seperate HDMI cable for the PS3? I thought I remember reading that.
Yes, it only comes with composite (NOT component) and analog audio.
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Correcta-mundo. Then again, 1080p-capable HDMI cables sell for about $9 off Amazon (and are probably cheaper elsewhere), and by all accounts I've heard are just as good as the $60 HDMI cables you can buy at RadioShack.
It's a cheap purchase--but still part of a "Laundry List" if one is so inclined to call it that.
I had to buy a PS2 to PS3 memory card adapter for my PS3--another cheap purchase (though not very reliable) to add to the list. Of course, I wanted to play backwards compatible games--given that recent PS3 models are no longer compatible with PS2 games, that might cease to be an issue anyway.
You no longer need to use memory cards for PS2 or PSX games. The PS3 creates virtual memory cards now on the hard drive.
I meant in terms of recovering old data from PS2 games, sorry--should have elaborated on that.