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Battlestar Galactica AND Caprica *SPOILERS* - It's Over! YEAAAAHHHHH
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One of the greatest series in the world has ended.
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Man, I felt a little like vomiting myself when Adama made a pit stop outside, though.
Or 'The War of Fanboy Aggression'.
Battlestar Galactica *Spoilers* The Fanboys have a plan, and it involves bitching
a) They have no resistance to local diseases, nor do any crops they may have brough with them.
b) They have no livestock afaik.
c) They have no practical skills. Baltar knows farming? Yeah, I doubt it. He might know how to farm using modern fertilizer, modern pesticides, modern tools, etc. He doesn't fucking know how to farm using a stone plow and a horse (which they also don't even have... so I guess Baltar is pulling that plow himself).
d) They have no idea what local plants are edible and which are posinious, and they will have to domestic crops from scratch which is a process that takes hundreds of years.
e) Ditto for any animals they want to domesticate.
f) Neither Helo nor Athena knows jack shit about hunting with a wooden bow. Or making one for that matter.
g) They don't know how to build houses. Or wells. Or anything.
h) They also have rebel cylons with them, who can easily run down and tackle a gazelles evolutionary ancestor and slit its throat with a stone knife while everyone else figures the above out.
It's totally unbelievable.
No, I do not. You are absolutely 100% spot on.
I agree completely. It makes thematic sense but it is absurd. Where we disagree is that I'm saying that the wider 'point' of it, this Frankenstein-style questioning of hubris, creation and self-destruction, is more than worth some absurdity.
The problem with the "let's build New New Caprica!" idea is that it would suggest the cycle was unbreakable; the Colonials and the Cylons might be getting along but they're not really dealing with the "original sin", as it were. "They" have done the same thing three times now and to repeat it again would be pretty nihistic. The virtue of it is that it'd be absolutely the most realistic eventuality- city dwellers would build a city.
The problem with the "compromise" idea (the one that, y'know, absolutely makes the most sense) is that it would suggest the cycle was easy to break. It's, "Hey everyone, let's not be fucking douchebags with our technology and we can just be awesome to each other." The virtue of this is that it makes sense and it demonstrates moral development on the part of the leadership in their society and it's fairly realistic.
The problem with the "cultural suicide" idea is that it's absurd, no one would ever do that except for deeply personal reasons like the Chief or Adama going off alone. The virtue of it is it challenges the audience's attitudes towards technology and (much more importantly) modern "first world" culture oriented around technology as it is, asks the questions the show has been asking from the beginning in the starkest manner possible, and ultimately just highlights the fundamental moral question of the show: Can humanity hide from the things that it has done? Can it play God, wash its hands of its creations, and then play God again?
I'm on board with #3 because I like that a mainstream science fiction show is actually doing the kinds of things you see in the best science fiction literature- it analyses the human condition as it is now through the lens of how it might be with X miracle in play, like AI or immortality. For me, that's worth a little absurdity- it shoots for a higher purpose than just being a great TV show. Pretentious, yes, but a little bit daring as well and I can respect that.
Well, they did say they could mingle with the locals and teach them language, and I'm sure in response these locals could potentially teach them to survive. As far as building homes or wells or whatever, out of 30,000 people there has to be a few who can put some straw or wood together to make a basic structure. Or, you know, caves. People find all sorts of ways to survive. We don't just sit there and drown from the rain. It's not as if they won't eat anything because they don't know if it's edible or not. Someone will take a bite and try it, especially if they're hungry enough.
People don't know how to go into caves.
According to HamHam's logic, if they don't know how to do it, they can't do it. Its just a magic voodoo barrier that, apparently, can never be overcome.
God arranged it so they would die out.
And it's not as if they probably have superior immune systems, what with coming from an advanced civilization and being spread out across twelve planets. They couldn't possibly survive. HamHamJ seems to make the assumption they'd just stand there and starve to death and give up immediately.
Yes, that's definitely the message we should take away from this show.
Geez, I'm an athetist too, but give it a rest.
Not that I'm defending that someone 'guh?' decision to forsake technology, but Hamham, you're raising some pretty stupid objections to the idea of them being able to survive. Except the diseases thing. That's a good point.
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SERE training is pretty fucking hardcore, and I would be surprised if the colonials didn't have an equivalent.
With the Fleet tossed into the sun, they'd have no electronic signatures, no evidence of Colonial visitation, no signals, etc.
But with Cavil being wholly defeated somehow and the Rebel Centurions obviously cool enough with mankind not to come back in the intervening 150,000 years and nuke everything to ash, it wasn't necessary.
I don't think it was a literal question, so much as a hypothetical for calibration purposes since he apparently had to do the lie detector to even get the job
Again, if they are going to do it by trial and error, here is how I call the odds:
Half die in the first winter/monsoon season/dry season (depending on what climate they are in). Within a year, only 10% of the groups will be alive and viable. Life expectancy plumits (compared to the colonies at least, maybe not the fleet) and within 10 years maybe 1% of the original population will be alive.
I don't know, Cavil is a bastard, but a practical one. I can't see him expending resources for that.
I expect you have the credentials and reference material necessary to make this claim more than a guess?
They don't have resurrection technology. And then show jumped to 150,000 years later. I'm sure by then Cavil and the rest were probably dead.
Edit: And dammit, HamHamJ, you're throwing out guess statistics and crap for a science fucking fiction show! One that didn't bother to address your statements. So what's the point of all your hollering?
How else do you explain Hera being Mitochondrial Eve? Of the people on the planet at that time, including the Colonials, the Skinjobs, and the natives, she was the only one to have female descendants.
Sim City, Civilization, etc.
Honestly, I'm not worry about the colonists being diseased to death. The colonists haves thousands of years of immune ass kicking experience, the planet haves nothing that is experienced in attacking the colonists. The biggest threat the colonists have from diseases is if a no pathogen, or parasite, jump the species hurdle and efficiently kills its host a little too well. But since the colonists are spread out, this wouldnt be a deal breaking event.
Not to mention that the Skinjobs haves super duper immune systems.
Definition: Mitochondrial Eve (mt-mrca) is the name given by researchers to the woman who is defined as the matrilineal most recent common ancestor (MRCA) for all currently living humans. Passed down from mother to offspring, her mitochondrial DNA (mtDNA) is now found in all living humans: every mtDNA in every living person is derived from hers. Mitochondrial Eve is the female counterpart of Y-chromosomal Adam, the patrilineal most recent common ancestor, although they lived at different times.
It doesn't mean that Hera was the only one of them that had children. It means that their offspring and her offspring bred together (as you would expect) to create the human race as we know it. Scientists found her skeleton. It doesn't mean she was the only one, it just means she was the only one found.
Although, that really makes no sense for the people who went off to Australia.
You're making the mistake of assuming that the BSG150k scientists/newspapers are actually correct, and/or that the skeleton we saw was Hera. Science changes over time. It's a fictional story.
They're Australian, who cares?
There's really no reason every one of their settlements couldn't have taken off like a rocket. But 150,000 years is a long time, and sometimes civilizations just die out.
EDIT: Note, Mitochondrial eve doesn't mean she was the only woman at the time to have children- we'd all be extinct if that were the case- just that if you go back far enough in time, everyone's got her in our family tree at some point.
If only because it would mean there'd be less idiots who keep using the term and don't know what it actually means.
Because humans in the future probably have a good deal of hybrid/Cylon DNA in them. Guess whose DNA would closely match theirs? Hera's. She was the only hybrid at the time when they landed. The human model Cylons, I believe, stayed and probably mated with the Colonials. Therefore you have a lot more hybrids. Am I the only one seeing this? The earliest "human" who would match them in DNA would probably be Hera.
I know what it means. It means eventually our mitochondria are going to rebel and turn us all into goo monsters because some megabitch mitochondria thinks it's too good for us.
Yeah, so you've said twice now.
Is there anyone who is pretending to know what it means but doesn't?
Edit: Other than Kagera, of course
What's more, I should have posted this from the same Wiki thread.
"The existence of Mitochondrial Eve and Y-chromosomal Adam does not imply the existence of population bottlenecks or a first couple. They each may have lived within a large human population at a different time."
Again, Hera's not the only one to have female descendants, just that everyone eventually descends at some point in the chain from Hera. Women contemporary to mitochondrial Eve had plenty of children.