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Oh, Sarah - How Low Will You Go?

AngelHedgieAngelHedgie Registered User regular
edited April 2009 in Debate and/or Discourse
You would think that the good governor of Alaska would realize that this shit wouldn't fly.

TL, DR version: Dem AK state senator resigned recently. AK law says that the governor must appoint a Dem to the position. Tradition is that party leadership in AK sends a list of candidates to the governor, and the governor selects one. The pit bull with lipstick decides to tell the Dems fuck you instead, and picks a "Democrat" who was a registered Republican several weeks ago. Shitstorm erupts, governor can't grasp why.

And that's not all the scandal that's been happening in the Palin household. We've all heard the "Bristol baby daddy fallout" drama, but recently there's been a scandal when she started the Iron Dog race decked out as a walking billboard for the company sponsoring her husband. Her rejection of stimulus funds isn't playing well with the Alaskan public. Not to mention that all those ethics woes come with a hefty legal bill as well.

The implosion of the woman that was seen as the frontrunner for the GOP nomination in 2012 in some circles is just impressive. At this point, I wonder if she can even get re-elected as governor, let alone become senator or any further asperations.

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    citizen059citizen059 hello my name is citizen I'm from the InternetRegistered User regular
    edited March 2009
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    SyphonBlueSyphonBlue The studying beaver That beaver sure loves studying!Registered User regular
    edited March 2009
    This isn't an implosion for a GOP candidate, it's just every day.

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    KageraKagera Imitating the worst people. Since 2004Registered User regular
    edited March 2009
    I don't know if I care much about the snowsuit thing.

    Also apparently this person she picked has democratic ties, and anyway the Democrats have to approve him first.

    But trying to force her will upon the state is beyond being a dick.

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    GaddezGaddez Registered User regular
    edited March 2009
    If I didn't know better, I'd say that she's burning her bridges because she still thinks it's manifest destiny that she be the First feamle president of the US and that any actions she takes right now are irelivent in the long term.

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    tallgeezetallgeeze Registered User regular
    edited March 2009
    wow, she turned down money for the schools. Isn't improving schools brownie points 101?

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    nexuscrawlernexuscrawler Registered User regular
    edited March 2009
    tallgeeze wrote: »
    wow, she turned down money for the schools. Isn't improving schools brownie points 101?

    Those kids need to pull themselves up by bootstraps and/or invisible hands

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    GoodOmensGoodOmens Registered User regular
    edited March 2009
    tallgeeze wrote: »
    wow, she turned down money for the schools. Isn't improving schools brownie points 101?

    It's easy for people to get "improving schools" and "raising taxes to improve schools" mixed up.

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    AngelHedgieAngelHedgie Registered User regular
    edited March 2009
    Kagera wrote: »
    I don't know if I care much about the snowsuit thing.

    Well, I do, because she was there as the Governor of Alaska, and as such, she's sort of supposed to at least appear impartial. It's like she was wearing a sign on her saying "For Sale To Highest Bidder".

    ...yes, I know that's the case. But you're supposed to have the decency to not advertise it.

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    ButtcleftButtcleft Registered User regular
    edited March 2009
    tallgeeze wrote: »
    wow, she turned down money for the schools. Isn't improving schools brownie points 101?

    School's don't need more money.

    They need less bureaucracy and more accountability.

    We spend more per child than almost any other nation and have terrible scores to show for it, thus proving that throwing money at a problem does not in fact fix it.

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    Captain CarrotCaptain Carrot Alexandria, VARegistered User regular
    edited March 2009
    Buttcleft wrote: »
    tallgeeze wrote: »
    wow, she turned down money for the schools. Isn't improving schools brownie points 101?

    School's don't need more money.

    They need less bureaucracy and more accountability.
    More money would also help, since there are a hell of a lot of underfunded schools.
    Buttcleft wrote:
    We spend more per child than almost any other nation and have terrible scores to show for it, thus proving that throwing money at a problem does not in fact fix it.
    Throwing money at a problem!=spending money on it.

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    AngelHedgieAngelHedgie Registered User regular
    edited March 2009
    Kagera wrote: »
    I don't know if I care much about the snowsuit thing.

    Well, I do, because she was there as the Governor of Alaska, and as such, she's sort of supposed to at least appear impartial. It's like she was wearing a sign on her saying "For Sale To Highest Bidder".

    ...yes, I know that's the case. But you're supposed to have the decency to not advertise it.

    She was an Arctic Cat snowmobile suit. Artic Cat make snowmobile gear. All their clothing has the logo emblazoned on it. This is like criticizing her for taking part in a marathon because she wore all Nike clothing.
    Except she wasn't participating, she was starting the race in her position as Governor. Why would it be so fucking hard for her to wear something warm but appropriate and not festooned with corporate logos for doing this? I mean, if the mayor of your town was asked to open a new McDonalds, would it be appropriate for him to show up dressed as Ronald?

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    CindersCinders Whose sails were black when it was windy Registered User regular
    edited March 2009
    Kagera wrote: »
    I don't know if I care much about the snowsuit thing.

    Well, I do, because she was there as the Governor of Alaska, and as such, she's sort of supposed to at least appear impartial. It's like she was wearing a sign on her saying "For Sale To Highest Bidder".

    ...yes, I know that's the case. But you're supposed to have the decency to not advertise it.

    She was an Arctic Cat snowmobile suit. Artic Cat make snowmobile gear. All their clothing has the logo emblazoned on it. This is like criticizing her for taking part in a marathon because she wore all Nike clothing.
    Except she wasn't participating, she was starting the race in her position as Governor. Why would it be so fucking hard for her to wear something warm but appropriate and not festooned with corporate logos for doing this? I mean, if the mayor of your town was asked to open a new McDonalds, would it be appropriate for him to show up dressed as Ronald?

    I think there is a big difference between winter apparel and a clown suit.

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    AngelHedgieAngelHedgie Registered User regular
    edited March 2009
    Cinders wrote: »
    Kagera wrote: »
    I don't know if I care much about the snowsuit thing.

    Well, I do, because she was there as the Governor of Alaska, and as such, she's sort of supposed to at least appear impartial. It's like she was wearing a sign on her saying "For Sale To Highest Bidder".

    ...yes, I know that's the case. But you're supposed to have the decency to not advertise it.

    She was an Arctic Cat snowmobile suit. Artic Cat make snowmobile gear. All their clothing has the logo emblazoned on it. This is like criticizing her for taking part in a marathon because she wore all Nike clothing.
    Except she wasn't participating, she was starting the race in her position as Governor. Why would it be so fucking hard for her to wear something warm but appropriate and not festooned with corporate logos for doing this? I mean, if the mayor of your town was asked to open a new McDonalds, would it be appropriate for him to show up dressed as Ronald?

    I think there is a big difference between winter apparel and a clown suit.

    If I can dress warmly for winter without having massive corporate logos all over my clothing, somehow I think the Governor of Alaska is capable of doing so as well.

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    ScalfinScalfin __BANNED USERS regular
    edited March 2009
    Cinders wrote: »
    Kagera wrote: »
    I don't know if I care much about the snowsuit thing.

    Well, I do, because she was there as the Governor of Alaska, and as such, she's sort of supposed to at least appear impartial. It's like she was wearing a sign on her saying "For Sale To Highest Bidder".

    ...yes, I know that's the case. But you're supposed to have the decency to not advertise it.

    She was an Arctic Cat snowmobile suit. Artic Cat make snowmobile gear. All their clothing has the logo emblazoned on it. This is like criticizing her for taking part in a marathon because she wore all Nike clothing.
    Except she wasn't participating, she was starting the race in her position as Governor. Why would it be so fucking hard for her to wear something warm but appropriate and not festooned with corporate logos for doing this? I mean, if the mayor of your town was asked to open a new McDonalds, would it be appropriate for him to show up dressed as Ronald?

    I think there is a big difference between winter apparel and a clown suit.

    If I can dress warmly for winter without having massive corporate logos all over my clothing, somehow I think the Governor of Alaska is capable of doing so as well.

    Weren't you the one who said that an emblem on the left breast was an affront to god and was appearing in your sleep?

    The remarkable part is that she managed to find branded pants.

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    TachTach Registered User regular
    edited March 2009
    Scalfin wrote: »
    Cinders wrote: »
    Kagera wrote: »
    I don't know if I care much about the snowsuit thing.

    Well, I do, because she was there as the Governor of Alaska, and as such, she's sort of supposed to at least appear impartial. It's like she was wearing a sign on her saying "For Sale To Highest Bidder".

    ...yes, I know that's the case. But you're supposed to have the decency to not advertise it.

    She was an Arctic Cat snowmobile suit. Artic Cat make snowmobile gear. All their clothing has the logo emblazoned on it. This is like criticizing her for taking part in a marathon because she wore all Nike clothing.
    Except she wasn't participating, she was starting the race in her position as Governor. Why would it be so fucking hard for her to wear something warm but appropriate and not festooned with corporate logos for doing this? I mean, if the mayor of your town was asked to open a new McDonalds, would it be appropriate for him to show up dressed as Ronald?

    I think there is a big difference between winter apparel and a clown suit.

    If I can dress warmly for winter without having massive corporate logos all over my clothing, somehow I think the Governor of Alaska is capable of doing so as well.

    Weren't you the one who said that an emblem on the left breast was an affront to god and was appearing in your sleep?

    The remarkable part is that she managed to find branded pants.
    It... it wasn't on her ass, was it? *shudder*

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    AyeJayeAyeJaye Registered User regular
    edited March 2009
    Cinders wrote: »
    Kagera wrote: »
    I don't know if I care much about the snowsuit thing.

    Well, I do, because she was there as the Governor of Alaska, and as such, she's sort of supposed to at least appear impartial. It's like she was wearing a sign on her saying "For Sale To Highest Bidder".

    ...yes, I know that's the case. But you're supposed to have the decency to not advertise it.

    She was an Arctic Cat snowmobile suit. Artic Cat make snowmobile gear. All their clothing has the logo emblazoned on it. This is like criticizing her for taking part in a marathon because she wore all Nike clothing.
    Except she wasn't participating, she was starting the race in her position as Governor. Why would it be so fucking hard for her to wear something warm but appropriate and not festooned with corporate logos for doing this? I mean, if the mayor of your town was asked to open a new McDonalds, would it be appropriate for him to show up dressed as Ronald?

    I think there is a big difference between winter apparel and a clown suit.

    If I can dress warmly for winter without having massive corporate logos all over my clothing, somehow I think the Governor of Alaska is capable of doing so as well.

    This is going to be Obama's flag pin all over again.

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    DuffelDuffel jacobkosh Registered User regular
    edited March 2009
    She could have worn some of her $250,000 (or whatever) worth of clothes she bought last year. I'm sure there was a winter coat or two in there.

    She might not be wearing that stuff in public, though.

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    MedopineMedopine __BANNED USERS regular
    edited March 2009
    I don't really care if she wore Arctic Cat stuff

    I do care that she fucked around with the Dem senate seat

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    AngelHedgieAngelHedgie Registered User regular
    edited March 2009
    Medopine wrote: »
    I don't really care if she wore Arctic Cat stuff

    I do care that she fucked around with the Dem senate seat

    The thing is that the former sort of shows the mentality that created the latter. If she can't grasp why wearing corporate logos at an event you're attending in an official capacity might be an ethical problem, then it's not likely that she's going to see any problems with discarding tradition and manipulating things to put the person she wants into a position.

    There's a reason that the bill for her ethics violation defense team has hit half a million.

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    David_TDavid_T A fashion yes-man is no good to me. Copenhagen, DenmarkRegistered User regular
    edited March 2009
    Cinders wrote: »
    I think there is a big difference between winter apparel and a clown suit.

    Looking at the Arctic Cat website, the difference seems to be mostly the color black.

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    Captain CarrotCaptain Carrot Alexandria, VARegistered User regular
    edited March 2009
    Is it just me, or should the governor of a state not be appointing a replacement state senator? Isn't that the sort of thing you have a special election to fill?

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    TomantaTomanta Registered User regular
    edited April 2009
    Duffel wrote: »
    She could have worn some of her $250,000 (or whatever) worth of clothes she bought last year. I'm sure there was a winter coat or two in there.

    She might not be wearing that stuff in public, though.

    It was all donated to charity.
    The "What the Palins wear around the house" memorial fund.
    In memory of her failed VP bid.

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    OptimusZedOptimusZed Registered User regular
    edited April 2009
    Is it just me, or should the governor of a state not be appointing a replacement state senator? Isn't that the sort of thing you have a special election to fill?
    Ideally, maybe. Governor appointments are the way this is handled in 90% of circumstances, though.

    Some people were talking about floating legislation to enshrine special elections as the default method of selection, but I don't know where that stands or if it even got off the ground.

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    Lord YodLord Yod Registered User regular
    edited April 2009
    Is it just me, or should the governor of a state not be appointing a replacement state senator? Isn't that the sort of thing you have a special election to fill?

    In most states the position is filled by the appointment from the governor.

    I think there are serious ethical issues in using your elected position to advertise your husband's corporate sponsors.

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    MaceraMacera UGH GODDAMMIT STOP ENJOYING THINGSRegistered User regular
    edited April 2009
    Tach wrote: »
    Scalfin wrote: »
    Cinders wrote: »
    Kagera wrote: »
    I don't know if I care much about the snowsuit thing.

    Well, I do, because she was there as the Governor of Alaska, and as such, she's sort of supposed to at least appear impartial. It's like she was wearing a sign on her saying "For Sale To Highest Bidder".

    ...yes, I know that's the case. But you're supposed to have the decency to not advertise it.

    She was an Arctic Cat snowmobile suit. Artic Cat make snowmobile gear. All their clothing has the logo emblazoned on it. This is like criticizing her for taking part in a marathon because she wore all Nike clothing.
    Except she wasn't participating, she was starting the race in her position as Governor. Why would it be so fucking hard for her to wear something warm but appropriate and not festooned with corporate logos for doing this? I mean, if the mayor of your town was asked to open a new McDonalds, would it be appropriate for him to show up dressed as Ronald?

    I think there is a big difference between winter apparel and a clown suit.

    If I can dress warmly for winter without having massive corporate logos all over my clothing, somehow I think the Governor of Alaska is capable of doing so as well.

    Weren't you the one who said that an emblem on the left breast was an affront to god and was appearing in your sleep?

    The remarkable part is that she managed to find branded pants.
    It... it wasn't on her ass, was it? *shudder*

    "Feels like I'm wearin' nothin' at all, you betcha!"

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    TomantaTomanta Registered User regular
    edited April 2009
    Lord Yod wrote: »
    Is it just me, or should the governor of a state not be appointing a replacement state senator? Isn't that the sort of thing you have a special election to fill?

    In most states the position is filled by the appointment from the governor.

    Funny enough, Alaskan US senator seats are filled by special election, because some past governor appointed one of his kids to the spot or some such silliness.

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    BurtletoyBurtletoy Registered User regular
    edited April 2009
    Tomanta wrote: »
    Lord Yod wrote: »
    Is it just me, or should the governor of a state not be appointing a replacement state senator? Isn't that the sort of thing you have a special election to fill?

    In most states the position is filled by the appointment from the governor.

    Funny enough, Alaskan US senator seats are filled by special election, because some past governor appointed one of his kids to the spot or some such silliness.

    And then she won reelection afterwards.

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    mcdermottmcdermott Registered User regular
    edited April 2009
    TL, DR version: Dem AK state senator resigned recently. AK law says that the governor must appoint a Dem to the position. Tradition is that party leadership in AK sends a list of candidates to the governor, and the governor selects one. The pit bull with lipstick decides to tell the Dems fuck you instead, and picks a "Democrat" who was a registered Republican several weeks ago. Shitstorm erupts, governor can't grasp why.

    As mentioned, the nominee has Democratic ties, Democratic support (though he was not a frontrunner for this position), and ran as a Democrat as recently as 2002.

    However yeah, he changed his affiliation just to get this nom, which to me just shows how retarded a law that has party affiliation as a prerequisite really is. The Democratic delegation to their state congress (or some such) has to approve the nom anyway, so why bother including that requirement? Fear that the party will approve somebody from the opposition? And if they do, is that a problem?

    This whole thing isn't worth anything more than a shrug.

    Though I am always up for a good Palin-bashing. No, really, that wasn't sarcasm...carry on gentelmen!

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    RentRent I'm always right Fuckin' deal with itRegistered User regular
    edited April 2009
    Personally I'm just waiting for Emanon's inevitable accusatory sexism post/defense of Palin as "the future of the GOP and leading the way to the new, conservative day" post
    Also, vague false equivalency between Obama racism during 2008 election season to Palin sexism now

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    MedopineMedopine __BANNED USERS regular
    edited April 2009
    Rent wrote: »
    Personally I'm just waiting for Emanon's inevitable accusatory sexism post/defense of Palin as "the future of the GOP and leading the way to the new, conservative day" post
    Also, vague false equivalency between Obama racism during 2008 election season to Palin sexism now

    sorry to burst your bubble, he got banned

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    DuffelDuffel jacobkosh Registered User regular
    edited April 2009
    again?
    already?

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    SpeakerSpeaker Registered User regular
    edited April 2009
    If she implodes at the same rate as the rest of the Republican Party, she will appear to be entirely stable.

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    Undead ScottsmanUndead Scottsman Registered User regular
    edited April 2009
    No. STOP THIS.

    Quit giving her anymore attention, dammit. Let her be the silly little queen of her silly little hill. If the pubs actually try to promote her, she'll get ripped to shreds.

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    werehippywerehippy Registered User regular
    edited April 2009
    No. STOP THIS.

    Quit giving her anymore attention, dammit. Let her be the silly little queen of her silly little hill. If the pubs actually try to promote her, she'll get ripped to shreds.

    And this is bad for the sane among us because ..... ?

    I'm of the Never interrupt your enemy when they are making a mistake school of thought. Any party that would let her keep getting on the national stage, let alone be a "future leader of the party" deserves to lose.

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    Undead ScottsmanUndead Scottsman Registered User regular
    edited April 2009
    werehippy wrote: »
    No. STOP THIS.

    Quit giving her anymore attention, dammit. Let her be the silly little queen of her silly little hill. If the pubs actually try to promote her, she'll get ripped to shreds.

    And this is bad for the sane among us because ..... ?

    Because it'll make us insane. Also I wrote that poorly, I meant to say that she's going to be ripped to shreds anyway, so there's no reason to be giving her attention. More attention (even bad attention.) just makes her look more legitimate as a national icon.

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    Raiden333Raiden333 Registered User regular
    edited April 2009
    Buttcleft wrote: »
    School's don't need more money.
    :|

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    KalTorakKalTorak One way or another, they all end up in the Undercity.Registered User regular
    edited April 2009
    Raiden333 wrote: »
    Buttcleft wrote: »
    School's don't need more money.
    :|

    Well, people aren't going to teach kids about apostrophes for free.

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    BurtletoyBurtletoy Registered User regular
    edited April 2009
    KalTorak wrote: »
    Raiden333 wrote: »
    Buttcleft wrote: »
    School's don't need more money.
    :|

    Well, people aren't going to teach kids about apostrophes for free.

    We arent?

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    nexuscrawlernexuscrawler Registered User regular
    edited April 2009
    The thing with the Arctic Cat thing was they were her husbands sponsor

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    ScalfinScalfin __BANNED USERS regular
    edited April 2009
    The thing with the Arctic Cat thing was they were her husbands sponsor

    And she managed to make the emblem more ubiquitous on her person than most official representatives. Seriously, that was the biggest logo I've ever seen on her jacket, she has the name running down her leg, and I'd bet that it's the emblem I see on the shirt underneath.

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