Because they'll be talking in Japanese. That's fine if you understand what they're saying. It's less than optimal if not. Unless I'm really misunderstanding something, I admit I haven't actually heard the game yet...
I make no claim one way or another wether it will help or hurt sales. I'm saying it hurts the experience and the're doing it to cut costs. These are hardly wild claims of insanity. Game could still be stellar.
It's such an insignificant complaint to make, though. Whether or not it's going to hurt the experience is absolutely not certain at this point, though I seriously cannot imagine it will.
It has the language it has. When you play it, you'll understand everything. Do you really think you'll be sitting there going: "Man, I wish they were speaking in English"
I don't know. I'm a huge fan of quality voice acting, but I don't think it's a detriment toward any game to not include an English voice track. European sensibilities and all, I suppose.
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It won't make or break it, since it is an eastern setting game, but a solid dub can still work wonders(see: Persona 3/4).
Ignition doesn't have half Atlus' money or their talent with voice direction. Expecting them to have an Atlus quality dub is like expecting D3 to have a Microsoft size ad-campaign.
Because they'll be talking in Japanese. That's fine if you understand what they're saying. It's less than optimal if not. Unless I'm really misunderstanding something, I admit I haven't actually heard the game yet...
I make no claim one way or another wether it will help or hurt sales. I'm saying it hurts the experience and the're doing it to cut costs. These are hardly wild claims of insanity. Game could still be stellar.
This is the same kind of argument people make with foreign films. Really, it's a dumb argument. Is reading really that hard?
Because they'll be talking in Japanese. That's fine if you understand what they're saying. It's less than optimal if not. Unless I'm really misunderstanding something, I admit I haven't actually heard the game yet...
I make no claim one way or another wether it will help or hurt sales. I'm saying it hurts the experience and the're doing it to cut costs. These are hardly wild claims of insanity. Game could still be stellar.
This is the same kind of argument people make with foreign films. Really, it's a dumb argument. Is reading really that hard?
What argument exactly? That people don't see foreign films because they have to read subtitles? There's nothing to argue about that. If that's the reason that's the reason. If you're saying that's a dumb reason to not see them then that's not really related to wether it's the case or not. But I'm not saying people wont buy the game if they have to OMG READ! I'm saying, as I always have been, an english option would be superior to the lack of one. That's it. Perhaps I am horribly wrong. I can live with it.
Game looks fantastic, it'll hopefully play just as well.
And more importantly- why doesn't the forums spell checker recognize "english"?!
Really though, with a game as niche as this english dubs wouldn't matter.
English option might make it superior, but with rather flaky quality most of the times plus needing to spend money to hire voice actors, it's probably not worth it to them. Especially seeing that realistically most fans would probably set it to japanese anyway.
edit: also, read the edge review for it, which gave it a 6. Its whole point is that it's just a game with beautiful visuals and awesome combat but not much else, which to me just means it's going to be awesome.
edit: also, read the edge review for it, which gave it a 6. Its whole point is that it's just a game with beautiful visuals and awesome combat but not much else, which to me just means it's going to be awesome.
Fingers crossed. As much as I like Edge it wouldn't be the first time they got a review horribly wrong but the reviewer's grievances seemed reasonable (disconnected feeling, areas with nothing in them, up to jump etc.). Hopefully it's more than the sum of its parts.
Because they'll be talking in Japanese. That's fine if you understand what they're saying. It's less than optimal if not. Unless I'm really misunderstanding something, I admit I haven't actually heard the game yet...
I make no claim one way or another wether it will help or hurt sales. I'm saying it hurts the experience and the're doing it to cut costs. These are hardly wild claims of insanity. Game could still be stellar.
This is the same kind of argument people make with foreign films. Really, it's a dumb argument. Is reading really that hard?
What argument exactly? That people don't see foreign films because they have to read subtitles? There's nothing to argue about that. If that's the reason that's the reason. If you're saying that's a dumb reason to not see them then that's not really related to wether it's the case or not. But I'm not saying people wont buy the game if they have to OMG READ! I'm saying, as I always have been, an english option would be superior to the lack of one. That's it. Perhaps I am horribly wrong. I can live with it.
Your previous post was poorly worded then. You made it sound like the lack of an English dub would somehow be less engaging than a subtitle one. From a feature standpoint, you are indeed correct. However, that wasn't the point I was trying to argue.
Anyway, an English dub would probably only delay the game at this point. It was bad enough XSeed made it seem like the game wouldn't be published in the US.
That's basically their biggest beef. Great combat with beautiful but empty stages when not in combat and not much else.
Which is everything that I'm expecting, really.
That's enough reason to dock four whole points? From the demo I played at E3, those areas usually served as spots to find treasures and heal between combat. I thought it broke up the combat well considering Odin Sphere had little to none of these.
Edit: Is hitting up on the nunchuck really a reason to dock points? I mean, really. I don't buy that.
That's basically their biggest beef. Great combat with beautiful but empty stages when not in combat and not much else.
Which is everything that I'm expecting, really.
That's enough reason to dock four whole points? From the demo I played at E3, those areas usually served as spots to find treasures and heal between combat. I thought it broke up the combat well considering Odin Sphere had little to none of these.
Edit: Is hitting up on the nunchuck really a reason to dock points? I mean, really. I don't buy that.
I'm quite glad this is a niche thread, otherwise I'd have to say 'look what you've started'.
Honestly, no review is going to change my mind about this game. I'm just surprised by what reviewers use to rate down games. They are becoming less objective (which they never really were) and more a list of complaints.
You made it sound like the lack of an English dub would somehow be less engaging than a subtitle one.
I view dubs/subs in a simple matter. The first time I watch/play something, I prefer the sub. After the first like 5 times, I want a dub and to be lazy.
Sounds exactly like every game Vanillaware ever made. Can't really be a surprise at this point. As long as it doesn't have any overly tedious gameplay elements (like planting stuff), it probably won't be a problem.
I mean, it's a beat 'em up after all.
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They said that the graphics & music were excellent, but the controls were sloppy and gameplay felt shallow.
I usually trust RPGFan implicitly. This is disappointing news...
The real depth in Odin Sphere came from the ability to make different potions and food stuffs/dishes using random items. When they announced that this wouldn't be in Muramasa, I was disappointed and figured the game would suffer for it.
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edited June 2009
Never played Odin Sphere (a tragedy, I know), but I still think this one looks fantastic. Can't wait to pick it up.
Perhaps it was just my being raised on NES games that were more or less just arcade ports (and thus being able to handle horribly uneven difficulty and technical issues), but I really, really liked Odin Sphere.
I can understand some of the criticism leveled at it, but man, there are certain things I'm willing to suffer to be able to play a game with that caliber writing, voice acting, art, music, and story. Plus I got to make Consomme and play with bunny people.
They said that the graphics & music were excellent, but the controls were sloppy and gameplay felt shallow.
I usually trust RPGFan implicitly. This is disappointing news...
The real depth in Odin Sphere came from the ability to make different potions and food stuffs/dishes using random items. When they announced that this wouldn't be in Muramasa, I was disappointed and figured the game would suffer for it.
Honestly, I'd take the review with a grain of salt. This game really feels like Odin Sphere without the tedious item management. What strikes me is the stark difference in scores between the two from RPGFan. Odin Sphere is a great game, but a 92 is being overly generous.
Anyway, even with the lack of "depth" you'll enjoy this game if you loved Odin Sphere.
Given that both that Eurogamer review & RPGFan review said basically the same thing (pretty but shallow), this looks like a good rental and nothing more.
I saw screenshots of Odin Sphere a couple months before its release and I was hooked from there. When Tycho and Gabe mentioned the game on the front page and talked about the mechanics, I knew for certain that I would need to play the game.
The problem with Muramasa, and this is almost certainly a bit premature, is that the sources that I traditionally rely on for gaming information have suggested it's not the kind of game I would want to buy. I'm sure I'll still rent it to play it, but I can't really justify spending $50 on a game that just looks really pretty.
Was Odin Sphere $40 at launch? I'm paying that for Muramasa, so I feel it's fair to me at least. I can see people being hesitant with a $50 price, but I'm pretty sure anyone who enjoyed Odin Sphere will do the same with Muramasa. You could always hit up Goozex since niche games tend to have a lot more manageable lines than major releases.
Was Odin Sphere $40 at launch? I'm paying that for Muramasa, so I feel it's fair to me at least. I can see people being hesitant with a $50 price, but I'm pretty sure anyone who enjoyed Odin Sphere will do the same with Muramasa. You could always hit up Goozex since niche games tend to have a lot more manageable lines than major releases.
Oh yeah, good point. I forgot that Odin Sphere was $40 at launch.
I know it seems stupid, but that $10 makes a pretty big difference to me... If Muramasa launches at $40, I may be more inclined to actually buy instead of rent. I like owning/supporting niche things, and $40 is just more attractive to me than $50 or $60.
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One good thing about Odin Sphere: all the story segments are isolated and viewable in order from the game's cutscene viewer, so you could just watch it all play out as one epic theatrical production after finishing it.
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edited August 2009
New hands-on preview from IGN with new video clip including a new boss and some bath scene
This game looks legit incredible. I hope that the reviewers are wrong and it doesn't end up in the same bag as Assassins Creed (Beautiful visuals with mediocre gameplay).
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And Odin Sphere had really good VA. Great story too, if you had the patience for it(understandable if not, that is one tedious game).
As long as you can read english you'll be fine.
It has the language it has. When you play it, you'll understand everything. Do you really think you'll be sitting there going: "Man, I wish they were speaking in English"
I don't know. I'm a huge fan of quality voice acting, but I don't think it's a detriment toward any game to not include an English voice track. European sensibilities and all, I suppose.
Ignition doesn't have half Atlus' money or their talent with voice direction. Expecting them to have an Atlus quality dub is like expecting D3 to have a Microsoft size ad-campaign.
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This is the same kind of argument people make with foreign films. Really, it's a dumb argument. Is reading really that hard?
Why would added Japanese voices do that?
What argument exactly? That people don't see foreign films because they have to read subtitles? There's nothing to argue about that. If that's the reason that's the reason. If you're saying that's a dumb reason to not see them then that's not really related to wether it's the case or not. But I'm not saying people wont buy the game if they have to OMG READ! I'm saying, as I always have been, an english option would be superior to the lack of one. That's it. Perhaps I am horribly wrong. I can live with it.
Game looks fantastic, it'll hopefully play just as well.
And more importantly- why doesn't the forums spell checker recognize "english"?!
Really though, with a game as niche as this english dubs wouldn't matter.
English option might make it superior, but with rather flaky quality most of the times plus needing to spend money to hire voice actors, it's probably not worth it to them. Especially seeing that realistically most fans would probably set it to japanese anyway.
edit: also, read the edge review for it, which gave it a 6. Its whole point is that it's just a game with beautiful visuals and awesome combat but not much else, which to me just means it's going to be awesome.
Fingers crossed. As much as I like Edge it wouldn't be the first time they got a review horribly wrong but the reviewer's grievances seemed reasonable (disconnected feeling, areas with nothing in them, up to jump etc.). Hopefully it's more than the sum of its parts.
That's basically their biggest beef. Great combat with beautiful but empty stages when not in combat and not much else.
Which is everything that I'm expecting, really.
Your previous post was poorly worded then. You made it sound like the lack of an English dub would somehow be less engaging than a subtitle one. From a feature standpoint, you are indeed correct. However, that wasn't the point I was trying to argue.
Anyway, an English dub would probably only delay the game at this point. It was bad enough XSeed made it seem like the game wouldn't be published in the US.
That's enough reason to dock four whole points? From the demo I played at E3, those areas usually served as spots to find treasures and heal between combat. I thought it broke up the combat well considering Odin Sphere had little to none of these.
Edit: Is hitting up on the nunchuck really a reason to dock points? I mean, really. I don't buy that.
I'm quite glad this is a niche thread, otherwise I'd have to say 'look what you've started'.
I view dubs/subs in a simple matter. The first time I watch/play something, I prefer the sub. After the first like 5 times, I want a dub and to be lazy.
None the less, buying this game day 1.
They said that the graphics & music were excellent, but the controls were sloppy and gameplay felt shallow.
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I mean, it's a beat 'em up after all.
I usually trust RPGFan implicitly. This is disappointing news...
The real depth in Odin Sphere came from the ability to make different potions and food stuffs/dishes using random items. When they announced that this wouldn't be in Muramasa, I was disappointed and figured the game would suffer for it.
You are better for it, trust me.
I can understand some of the criticism leveled at it, but man, there are certain things I'm willing to suffer to be able to play a game with that caliber writing, voice acting, art, music, and story. Plus I got to make Consomme and play with bunny people.
Honestly, I'd take the review with a grain of salt. This game really feels like Odin Sphere without the tedious item management. What strikes me is the stark difference in scores between the two from RPGFan. Odin Sphere is a great game, but a 92 is being overly generous.
Anyway, even with the lack of "depth" you'll enjoy this game if you loved Odin Sphere.
http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/muramasa-the-demon-blade-review
Sounds buyable.
So edge and eurogamer reviews confirms PAL release?
Rising Star are publishing it but last I checked the release date isn't until next year
In their latest release list they have it set for this november, but it's RSG so it's best to take that with a grain of salt.
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Eh, that's putting too much faith in reviews.
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The problem with Muramasa, and this is almost certainly a bit premature, is that the sources that I traditionally rely on for gaming information have suggested it's not the kind of game I would want to buy. I'm sure I'll still rent it to play it, but I can't really justify spending $50 on a game that just looks really pretty.
Oh yeah, good point. I forgot that Odin Sphere was $40 at launch.
I know it seems stupid, but that $10 makes a pretty big difference to me... If Muramasa launches at $40, I may be more inclined to actually buy instead of rent. I like owning/supporting niche things, and $40 is just more attractive to me than $50 or $60.
http://wii.ign.com/articles/101/1012109p1.html