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End of Dark Reign *Speculation, but spoilers may come up*

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    mattharvestmattharvest Registered User regular
    edited October 2009
    I don't think any of those things were huge issues in the couple of years or so of storylines that preceded One More Day. He'd been a science teacher for a while, hadn't he?

    At that point, though - when you're comparing how he exists today as compared to literally several years (real-world) - you're crossing the line into nostalgia (as opposed to just complaining about the current story).

    Basically, he way he is now (post-BND) just isn't actually any more immature than he's been for at least four or five real-world years. Some of the stuff - e.g. his creepy and neurotic obsession with Ben - dates back to literally his origin.

    I like Spider-Man - not the BND stuff, though, but the character in general - but I think the complaints people lob around about BND often are just misguided.

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    wirehead26wirehead26 Registered User regular
    edited October 2009
    Now that we know the Siege is only 4 issues it will be interesting to see how Bendis writes it since he has fewer issues to tell the story. The 8 issue format was one of the complaints of Secret Invasion (and House of M to a lesser extent) although I still enjoyed the story. Disassembled was only 4 issues and I liked that story as well though I understand my some people dislike it.

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    wirehead26wirehead26 Registered User regular
    edited October 2009
    Might as well comment on some of the crossover issues now revealed for Siege in January. I don't read Dark Wolverine in singles so I won't bother with the 3 issue tie-in of that unless it's in trade format. Won't bother with the Storming Asgard: Heroes and Villains since that free comic in December should suffice on character info. Maybe I'll get the Embedded story but I'll read some reviews first. Already get New and Dark Avengers in singles but I'll trade wait for the Initiative tie-in.

    I'm assuming they'll be more Siege issues in January like Thor and Secret Warriors but maybe those might be only one or two issues each.

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    FaynorFaynor Registered User regular
    edited October 2009
    You know what just occurred to me?
    If Osborn and Doom are fighting in Siege, and Osborn is pursing a war against the Asgardians (who are currently living in Latveria, but may not be by the time Siege comes)...

    Doom could be fighting on the side of the heroes!

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    HenslerHensler Registered User regular
    edited October 2009
    Faynor wrote: »
    You know what just occurred to me?
    If Osborn and Doom are fighting in Siege, and Osborn is pursing a war against the Asgardians (who are currently living in Latveria, but may not be by the time Siege comes)...

    Doom could be fighting on the side of the heroes!

    Whoa. You're a smart guy.

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    FaynorFaynor Registered User regular
    edited October 2009
    Are you making fun of me :(

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    143999143999 Tellin' ya not askin' ya, not pleadin' with yaRegistered User regular
    edited October 2009
    Faynor wrote: »
    You know what just occurred to me?
    If Osborn and Doom are fighting in Siege, and Osborn is pursing a war against the Asgardians (who are currently living in Latveria, but may not be by the time Siege comes)...

    Doom could be fighting on the side of the heroes!
    Which means that by extension, Black Panther will be on the bad guys' side in Doomwar. Take that, Hudlin!

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    Robos A Go GoRobos A Go Go Registered User regular
    edited October 2009
    Hudlin had some role in the planning of Doom War, actually. I wouldn't be surprised if that whole racist Doom debacle was done in anticipation of the event.

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    Caveman PawsCaveman Paws Registered User regular
    edited October 2009
    Faynor wrote: »
    You know what just occurred to me?
    If Osborn and Doom are fighting in Siege, and Osborn is pursing a war against the Asgardians (who are currently living in Latveria, but may not be by the time Siege comes)...

    Doom could be fighting on the side of the heroes!
    You mean the heroes would be on the side of DOOM!

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    WildcatWildcat Registered User regular
    edited October 2009
    Faynor wrote: »
    You know what just occurred to me?
    If Osborn and Doom are fighting in Siege, and Osborn is pursing a war against the Asgardians (who are currently living in Latveria, but may not be by the time Siege comes)...

    Doom could be fighting on the side of the heroes!
    You mean the heroes would be on the side of DOOM!
    "At last you have seen sense and submitted to my leadership, Rrrrrichards!"

    I see there's been a bit of speculation on the internets that Norman's ally in the shadows is
    Mephisto. Sounds like a bit of anti-OMD wish fulfilment to me, personally
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    DarkWarriorDarkWarrior __BANNED USERS regular
    edited October 2009
    Has anything been made of that scene where Norman was locked away in a vault, and told Hand to go away before quietly calling her back? I missed some comics last month.

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    wirehead26wirehead26 Registered User regular
    edited October 2009
    That was the last issue of Dark Avengers, and no, that hasn't been explained yet. The next issue comes out this week.

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    LanglyLangly Registered User regular
    edited October 2009
    Has anything been made of that scene where Norman was locked away in a vault, and told Hand to go away before quietly calling her back? I missed some comics last month.

    I was wondering about that as well

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    DarkWarriorDarkWarrior __BANNED USERS regular
    edited October 2009
    Thanks Wire.

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    wirehead26wirehead26 Registered User regular
    edited October 2009
    I wouldn't expect an explanation right away however. Looking at the preview...
    I see Sentry is just fine after having his face blasted off, but maybe Bendis isn't ready to reveal yet how he keeps healing and coming back to life.

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    DarkWarriorDarkWarrior __BANNED USERS regular
    edited October 2009
    Refresh my memory, who did that to Sentry? Honestly the DA are getting spread over so many comics its hard to keep track of what happened andw hen anymore.

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    LanglyLangly Registered User regular
    edited October 2009
    I'm confused with the sentry, spoilers I guess
    some people were saying that maybe he is the void right now? or something? But he hasn't been acting very void-ish, and his interactions with Osborn concerning his mental stability don't really point to any of that. But on the other hand, I don't really know what to make of the scene in X-men where Emma frees bob from that void room.

    Am I missing something, maybe I didn't read an issue where it was explained, or has this particular situation not been addressed yet.

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    LanglyLangly Registered User regular
    edited October 2009
    Refresh my memory, who did that to Sentry? Honestly the DA are getting spread over so many comics its hard to keep track of what happened andw hen anymore.
    his wife. She said that Marvel Boy gave her the gun.

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    wirehead26wirehead26 Registered User regular
    edited October 2009
    Spoiler ahoy!
    His wife Lindy took one of Noh-Varr's guns and shot him right in the face, melting it off. She wants him out of her life due to him being batshit crazy.

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    cshadow42cshadow42 Registered User regular
    edited October 2009
    Do ya'll think they'll end the Dark Avengers after Siege? It seems like its been Marvel's most popular title this past year. I could actually see Osborn in charge of the Dark Avengers as part of the new status quo. Plus, since they're adding a new mystery member to the Cabal, I don't see it going away any time soon.

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    cshadow42cshadow42 Registered User regular
    edited October 2009
    Langly wrote: »
    I'm confused with the sentry, spoilers I guess
    some people were saying that maybe he is the void right now? or something? But he hasn't been acting very void-ish, and his interactions with Osborn concerning his mental stability don't really point to any of that. But on the other hand, I don't really know what to make of the scene in X-men where Emma frees bob from that void room.

    Am I missing something, maybe I didn't read an issue where it was explained, or has this particular situation not been addressed yet.

    Read the original "The Sentry" in TPB. It explains the origins of the Sentry and the Void and how they're interrelated. Its a pretty good read, with some good art.

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    wirehead26wirehead26 Registered User regular
    edited October 2009
    Regarding Sentry, my theory is the Void is the one who's bringing him back to life. We know both Bob and the Void are together due to what happened in Utopia so that's my best guess as to whats going on.

    As for them ending Dark Avengers? I guess if Bendis can find a way to keep it around after Siege then it will continue. Can't imagine how though if Osborn is taken out. Maybe they'll cancel Thunderbolts and make Dark Avengers the official villains book?

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    LanglyLangly Registered User regular
    edited October 2009
    cshadow42 wrote: »
    Langly wrote: »
    I'm confused with the sentry, spoilers I guess
    some people were saying that maybe he is the void right now? or something? But he hasn't been acting very void-ish, and his interactions with Osborn concerning his mental stability don't really point to any of that. But on the other hand, I don't really know what to make of the scene in X-men where Emma frees bob from that void room.

    Am I missing something, maybe I didn't read an issue where it was explained, or has this particular situation not been addressed yet.

    Read the original "The Sentry" in TPB. It explains the origins of the Sentry and the Void and how they're interrelated. Its a pretty good read, with some good art.

    no no no, i know his deal, I'm saying that
    I've seen people saying that the sentry on the DA is actually only the Void. That the sentry part is locked away internally, rather than being the schizo he normally is.

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    wirehead26wirehead26 Registered User regular
    edited October 2009
    We know that the Void is inside Sentry now and apparently is keeping him sane enough not to kill everyone but still letting him be controlled by Osborn.

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    cshadow42cshadow42 Registered User regular
    edited October 2009
    wirehead26 wrote: »
    We know that the Void is inside Sentry now and apparently is keeping him sane enough not to kill everyone but still letting him be controlled by Osborn.

    Then shouldn't the Sentry have reverted to his good side when Emma Frost yanked him out of his mental dark room?

    Also, since Emma has a tiny part of the Void in her, and the Sentry and Void are equal parts of the same being, does that mean that the Sentry side of Bob is now more powerful than the Void portion?

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    wirehead26wirehead26 Registered User regular
    edited October 2009
    Sentry did revert to his good side during the end of Utopia. Thats why he flew away from Namor as fast as he could before the Void caught up with him again.

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    cshadow42cshadow42 Registered User regular
    edited October 2009
    wirehead26 wrote: »
    Sentry did revert to his good side during the end of Utopia. Thats why he flew away from Namor as fast as he could before the Void caught up with him again.

    Yes, but shouldn't the Sentry in theory be more powerful than the Void currently since a piece of the Void is locked up in Emma?

    Unless...the Void was more powerful than the Sentry all along...

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    WildcatWildcat Registered User regular
    edited October 2009
    They are exactly equal.

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    wirehead26wirehead26 Registered User regular
    edited October 2009
    Eh, I don't think the piece in Emma right now weakens the Void too much. As for the Void being more powerful than the Sentry all along, well if my theory about Sentry coming back to life is right then the Void is basically immortal.

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    WildcatWildcat Registered User regular
    edited October 2009
    As is the Sentry, actually. The Void predicted that they would battle each other until the end of time, each evenly matched against the other.

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    cshadow42cshadow42 Registered User regular
    edited October 2009
    wirehead26 wrote: »
    Eh, I don't think the piece in Emma right now weakens the Void too much. As for the Void being more powerful than the Sentry all along, well if my theory about Sentry coming back to life is right then the Void is basically immortal.

    If the piece in Emma doesn't significantly weaken the Void, then why not just let the thing go? The last thing the X-Men need is an evil presence infecting their resident telepath/mind controller.

    I take that back. The X-Men usually have an insidious telepathic presence in their midst (re: Shadow King, Brood, Cassandra Nova, etc..). Now they have every thing they need to call their island home.

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    LanglyLangly Registered User regular
    edited October 2009
    i think she can't let it go, cause it's in her head. that is the problem.

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    TexiKenTexiKen Dammit! That fish really got me!Registered User regular
    edited October 2009
    So this is the rumored shadowy guy in the Cabal one shot Johnson is saying:

    Molecule Man.

    Hmmmm.

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    wirehead26wirehead26 Registered User regular
    edited October 2009
    Assuming that rumor is true...
    his appearance in Dark Avengers starting this week is even more intriguing.

    Damn I hope it is true however.

    Edit: WAIT A MINUTE. There is another potential character Marvel could use with those initials. And it would mean Box in a Box was right.

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    RingoRingo He/Him a distinct lack of substanceRegistered User regular
    edited October 2009
    Martian Manhunter? :P

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    AlgertmanAlgertman Registered User regular
    edited October 2009
    Marvel Man

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    HenslerHensler Registered User regular
    edited October 2009
    Algertman wrote: »
    Marvel Man

    Please don't let this happen, God. Thanks, Hensler.

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    wirehead26wirehead26 Registered User regular
    edited October 2009
    Who is Rich Johnson's favorite character anyway?

    Back to the shadowy figure speculation, if you think about it whoever it was didn't have much of an impression on Emma or Namor as they left the Cabal without any hesitation. This makes me think that the figure was primarily used to threaten Doom which backs up the...
    Molecule Man

    theory. Regarding Marvel Man, honestly, how the fuck should ANYONE in the current Marvel universe know who he is? So I'm pretty sure it's not him unless Quesada forces Bendis to use him which I don't think would happen since Quesada has a lot more to lose pissing off Bendis than JMS.

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    FaynorFaynor Registered User regular
    edited October 2009
    Langly wrote: »
    cshadow42 wrote: »
    Langly wrote: »
    I'm confused with the sentry, spoilers I guess
    some people were saying that maybe he is the void right now? or something? But he hasn't been acting very void-ish, and his interactions with Osborn concerning his mental stability don't really point to any of that. But on the other hand, I don't really know what to make of the scene in X-men where Emma frees bob from that void room.

    Am I missing something, maybe I didn't read an issue where it was explained, or has this particular situation not been addressed yet.

    Read the original "The Sentry" in TPB. It explains the origins of the Sentry and the Void and how they're interrelated. Its a pretty good read, with some good art.

    no no no, i know his deal, I'm saying that
    I've seen people saying that the sentry on the DA is actually only the Void. That the sentry part is locked away internally, rather than being the schizo he normally is.

    It does seem like there has been conflicting information at certain points. However, there is a Siege issue of...Dark Avengers, I think? that says "This will reveal all the information about the Sentry!" so expect to get your answer then.

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    wirehead26wirehead26 Registered User regular
    edited October 2009
    Bendis still hasn't explained exactly what happened after Skrull-Vision caused the Sentry to freak out and fly into deep space in Secret Invasion #2. Maybe we'll get that answer finally.

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