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Where have all the old people gone? (Solved)
Cognisseur
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I was recently watching an old Hitchcock movie and was really enjoying it but couldn't put my finger on the specific reason. Then it dawned on me: older adults. They were everywhere in the movie. They were the cops, the detectives, the carnival operators, they existed!
I feel like all too often when watching movies these days anyone above 30 is considered a dinosaur. So many sequels or movies within a certain genre re-focus themselves around the plight of 20 year olds, and that's just terrible.
Easy example: Star Trek. I know a lot of people liked it, but I felt so disappointed to see that they too went down the "ooh let's make a movie about 20 year olds and their angsty post-adolescent dramas". Yes, I understand it was a prequel to Star Trek but it was their choice to make it that way rather than focusing on adults and I'm disappointed they went that direction.
Another example came to mind: X-Men. Xavier and Magneto are awesome with an awesome relationship cultivated between them. I like Wolverine, I wish Storm had more than 2 lines, etc. I like the adult X-Men. But then I felt with X-Men 2 and X-Men 3 there was more and more adolescent angsty X-Men pushed onto me. I don't want them. Make them go away. I can watch High School Musical 3 whenever I want; let me have my god damn comic book movie.
I suppose all my evidence is anecdotal, so I wonder what opinions you guys hold? Has cinema re-focused itself on casting younger and younger stars and re-worked plot-lines and cinema in general to match that? If so, what's your opinion on it? Yes, we get to see 20 year old banging chicks, and that IS a plus, but I feel there's a lot lost when we keep focusing on the significantly simpler less-layered personalities of people just barely entering young adulthood as compared to people with 20-30 years of adulthood on them already.
I feel like all too often when watching movies these days anyone above 30 is considered a dinosaur. So many sequels or movies within a certain genre re-focus themselves around the plight of 20 year olds, and that's just terrible.
Easy example: Star Trek. I know a lot of people liked it, but I felt so disappointed to see that they too went down the "ooh let's make a movie about 20 year olds and their angsty post-adolescent dramas". Yes, I understand it was a prequel to Star Trek but it was their choice to make it that way rather than focusing on adults and I'm disappointed they went that direction.
Another example came to mind: X-Men. Xavier and Magneto are awesome with an awesome relationship cultivated between them. I like Wolverine, I wish Storm had more than 2 lines, etc. I like the adult X-Men. But then I felt with X-Men 2 and X-Men 3 there was more and more adolescent angsty X-Men pushed onto me. I don't want them. Make them go away. I can watch High School Musical 3 whenever I want; let me have my god damn comic book movie.
I suppose all my evidence is anecdotal, so I wonder what opinions you guys hold? Has cinema re-focused itself on casting younger and younger stars and re-worked plot-lines and cinema in general to match that? If so, what's your opinion on it? Yes, we get to see 20 year old banging chicks, and that IS a plus, but I feel there's a lot lost when we keep focusing on the significantly simpler less-layered personalities of people just barely entering young adulthood as compared to people with 20-30 years of adulthood on them already.
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Culture of youth.
the "no true scotch man" fallacy.
Also, Mr. Fantastic has gotten younger looking. Isn't he raising two kids now?
Well what happened to the good ol' days of 15 year old girls thinking a 50 year old Sean Connery was the hottest thing on the block? Now all they want is some emo little bitch with jeans so tight he probably hasn't felt his nuts in years. :x
Johnny Depp is almost fifty. All my favorite male actors are over 30 as well.
Older women are mostly invisible outside of grandmother roles, however.
https://twitter.com/Hooraydiation
You want 15 year olds attracted to 50 year olds? What?!
The question is, then, why aren't young people fascinated by middle-aged people?
Hey may be almost 50 but he's cast to look significantly younger usually.
But yeah, now that I think about it, as few older-adult-but-not-yet-grandfather male roles I can think of, there are FAR fewer female roles I can think of.
...What do female actresses do between 24-60?
I don't know, but this Soylent Green is delicious.
https://twitter.com/Hooraydiation
Made-for-TV movies on the Lifetime channel?
Plastic surgery.
the "no true scotch man" fallacy.
Well, will you ever be 15 again? No...but you'll be 50 one day. :winky::winky::winky:
Jokes aside, I do think emnmnme brought up the interesting question. Something or other must have changed if cinema's focus changed.
Do adults no longer go to see movies anymore? Why not?
Do adolescents no longer find adults interesting anymore? Why not?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mC9mqbImrC8
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Ym2Jma04qo&feature=related
"There's only one show on the major networks that has major cast members above the age of 50, and that's...well saying it would just break the 4th wall."
Though there are plenty of movies with an older cast--just not movies targeted at a younger audience.
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Now you can cast pretty much whatever age range you want. And I think, personally, you're watching movies that are targeting you. Benjamin Button was a movie all about aging and the two main characters are technically OLD. Of course, thanks to makeup, pretty much no character in any movie actually plays people that are their actual age. I'm often surprised to look up actors and see that they're both older and younger than I expected.
But if you want to talk old people, come visit Victoria BC: The Florida of Canada.
And dialing in closer to the point: Sex sells. If you can remain sexually attractive in the eyes of young and old alike you can stay in the movie business, if you cannot then ciao.
Bill Murray still makes movies. So does Robert Redford, Anjelica Huston, Clint Eastwood...
I miss movie stars who were over forty and looked their age. They didn’t have to be plucked, pulled and tweaked into looking twenty five.
There are so many great actors who simply would not become famous today because they looked like real people, someone you’d run into on the street.
It's one of my biggest pet peeves about movies these days. No one looks their age, no one looks like a real person.
Don't be ridiculous. Have you ever seen sunset boulevard?
Does this look like a real person to you?
She looks like a heavily made up real person, but yes, she looks more real to me than most "stars" do these days. She looks heavily made up but not in a plastic way.
Show me a counter-example.
It was a great movie.
And there is Harrison Ford, Tommy Lee Jones, Gene Hackman, Al Pacino, Robert Dinero, Jack Nicholson, and Anthony Hopkins.
They were in all great iconic movies looking like old crumudgens. Although it has been a while since I've seen any of them in a movie.
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You want an action flick? A wacky comedy? Romantic drama? It's pretty easy to write these stories about young people with no ties to hold them back.
because their parents and teachers/professors are middle aged/old.
Nielsen Top 10, Broadcast
NCIS - Mark Harmon is 57.
The Mentalist - Simon Baker is 40.
Two and a Half Men - Charlie Sheen is 44.
CSI - Laurence Fishburne is 48, William Petersen is 56.
CSI Miami - David Caruso is 53.
60 Minutes - they pretty much all get discounts on bus passes and movie tickets.
Big Bang Theory - John Galecki is 44, Jim Parsons is 36.
Criminal Minds - Thomas Gibson is 47, Joe Mantegna is 61.
So You Think You Can Dance
Cable
The Closer - Kyra Sedgwick is 43.
Royal Pains - Mark Feuerstein is 38.
Burn Notice - Jeffrey Donovan is 31, Bruce Campbell is 51.
WWE Raw
Sprint Cup Racing
NASCAR
NCIS
Basically, there's no old people in movies because they're all in TV. In TV crime dramas starring 40+ actors beat the snot out of Gossip Girl and One Tree Hill and all the other teen-oriented stuff. Even successful teen shows like American Idol, half the viewership is more interested in hearing Simon Cowell (49) than any of the singers.
I love those commercials. I wonder what the beer tastes like.
I want to say actors are all younger, but there are older actors. I want to say they all play young parts, but they do often play older parts. I want to say that resembling a human being in the least with any human faults now makes you an "anti-hero" but even that doesn't quite hit the mark.
Something is off, and though I can't put my finger on it, I feel like it in some way pertains to the portrayal of older real adults with more than one facet to their personality and such.