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The New Comic Thread for Wednesday, July 8, 2009

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  • Octopus MelodyOctopus Melody Registered User regular
    edited July 2009
    Don't chickens eat rocks to help them digest?

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  • DavoidDavoid Registered User regular
    edited July 2009
    And he would have gotten away with it too if it weren't for that meddling scout leader

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  • DogDog Registered User, Administrator, Vanilla Staff admin
    edited July 2009
    robothero wrote: »
    And maybe the amount of energy produced through petrification is a direct correlation to the age of the victim?


    What now, brown cow.
    Shouldn't they send really old people then (not necessarily the ruling cabal, either; the village is sure to have some other old people)? Or if it's an inverse relation, infants?

    I'd buy your petrification process theory though. It actually makes sense, if you think of it as a means of draining energy from the victim. He turns from something alive and energetic into something wholly immobile and dead.

    But old people only have a little bit of life left in them, whereas a boy is full of potent boy-energy.

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  • NotASenatorNotASenator Registered User regular
    edited July 2009
    Hunter wrote: »
    Maybe the sacrifice isn't necessarily the edible kind. Maybe the only thing the cool basilisk on the prowl wants is to kill a little boy or add his stone visage to his little statuary garden of death.

    or maybe it was using it's big old claw to cover up the kid and then was going to toss it in it's mouth without petrifying it.

    I mean, come on, basilisks gotta eat somehow.

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  • DruhimDruhim Registered User, ClubPA regular
    edited July 2009
    robothero wrote: »
    And maybe the amount of energy produced through petrification is a direct correlation to the age of the victim?


    What now, brown cow.
    Shouldn't they send really old people then (not necessarily the ruling cabal, either; the village is sure to have some other old people)? Or if it's an inverse relation, infants?

    I'd buy your petrification process theory though. It actually makes sense, if you think of it as a means of draining energy from the victim. He turns from something alive and energetic into something wholly immobile and dead.
    like several others have said, it's fantasy
    a wizard did it
    you're debating the logic of magical mythical creatures

    this is like debating whether Solomon Grundy or Thor are stronger or whether Wolverine could beat The Flash

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  • Grid SystemGrid System Registered User regular
    edited July 2009
    Druhim wrote: »
    Now I think you're the one overthinking.
    yet I'm the one that understands the comic just fine
    There's a difference between a lack of understanding and a desire to examine something beyond its brute facts. I get what's going on, I just want to look under the hood a bit. You seem opposed to this idea for some reason. That's cool, I'm not going to force you to analyze the writing or the story, but what's the big deal if I want to?

    Edit: If it really bugs you that much, I guess you could ignore me?

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  • DogDog Registered User, Administrator, Vanilla Staff admin
    edited July 2009
    Oh come on Druhim, we all know The Flash would win.


    It's like Batman vs Superman, Batman always wins until they become BFFs in the end and defeat a greater evil.

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  • DavoidDavoid Registered User regular
    edited July 2009
    Druhim wrote: »
    robothero wrote: »
    And maybe the amount of energy produced through petrification is a direct correlation to the age of the victim?


    What now, brown cow.
    Shouldn't they send really old people then (not necessarily the ruling cabal, either; the village is sure to have some other old people)? Or if it's an inverse relation, infants?

    I'd buy your petrification process theory though. It actually makes sense, if you think of it as a means of draining energy from the victim. He turns from something alive and energetic into something wholly immobile and dead.
    like several others have said, it's fantasy
    a wizard did it
    you're debating the logic of magical mythical creatures

    this is like debating whether Solomon Grundy or Thor are stronger or whether Wolverine could beat The Flash

    Metroid could totally beat Doctor Who

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  • 101101 Registered User regular
    edited July 2009
    robothero wrote: »
    Oh come on Druhim, we all know The Flash would win.


    It's like Batman vs Superman, Batman always wins until they become BFFs in the end and defeat a greater evil.

    Man wolverine would kick flash's ass.

    101 on
  • masterofmetroidmasterofmetroid Have you ever looked at a world and seen it as a kind of challenge?Registered User regular
    edited July 2009
    Seriously, the whole "how do basilisks eat" thing isn't new. It's a mythical creature. What's more, it's a creature that has not been specifically created for the lookouts universe and follows most conventions for the creature in other fiction. You can not use this as a critisism against the comic.

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  • HunterHunter Chemist with a heart of Au Registered User regular
    edited July 2009
    Druhim wrote: »
    Now I think you're the one overthinking.
    yet I'm the one that understands the comic just fine
    There's a difference between a lack of understanding and a desire to examine something beyond its brute facts. I get what's going on, I just want to look under the hood a bit. You seem opposed to this idea for some reason. That's cool, I'm not going to force you to analyze the writing or the story, but what's the big deal if I want to?

    Edit: If it really bugs you that much, I guess you could ignore me?

    Brute facts? For a fantasy comic about a magical forest where little children are sent out to face off against magical chicken lizards that can turn you to stone?

    It's not like the story was about an airplane and its potential to take off on a treadmill vs a normal runway. We're not debating Newtonian physics. It's a fucking fantasy comic. A wizard did it with magic and elves or some shit.

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  • HappylilElfHappylilElf Registered User regular
    edited July 2009
    Don't chickens eat rocks to help them digest?
    Actually I think chickens probably do it accidentally while trying to eat their feed.

    Chickens are are all kinds of stupid.

    Now if you'd said crows I might buy it.

    Because crows are the einsteins of the avian world.

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  • HunterHunter Chemist with a heart of Au Registered User regular
    edited July 2009
    101 wrote: »
    robothero wrote: »
    Oh come on Druhim, we all know The Flash would win.


    It's like Batman vs Superman, Batman always wins until they become BFFs in the end and defeat a greater evil.

    Man wolverine would kick flash's ass.

    Light the Jordyn symbol!

    Hunter on
  • HunterHunter Chemist with a heart of Au Registered User regular
    edited July 2009
    Don't chickens eat rocks to help them digest?
    Actually I think chickens probably do it accidentally while trying to eat their feed.

    Chickens are are all kinds of stupid.

    Now if you'd said crows I might buy it.

    Because crows are the einsteins of the avian world.

    No, birds are known to ingest stones that stay in their gizzard and aid in the digestion process.

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  • DruhimDruhim Registered User, ClubPA regular
    edited July 2009
    Druhim wrote: »
    Now I think you're the one overthinking.
    yet I'm the one that understands the comic just fine
    There's a difference between a lack of understanding and a desire to examine something beyond its brute facts. I get what's going on, I just want to look under the hood a bit. You seem opposed to this idea for some reason. That's cool, I'm not going to force you to analyze the writing or the story, but what's the big deal if I want to?

    Edit: If it really bugs you that much, I guess you could ignore me?
    except you're not just peeking under the hood
    Druhim wrote: »
    joelfinch wrote: »
    This is poor storytelling, for my money.

    The old guys come out of nowhere, even the leader's name comes out of nowhere. Totally anonymous until the third-last panel, what's the point?

    The leader never "let the boy live" - he got whomped by the basilisk and wasn't in control of the situation from the outset.
    why did we need to know the leader's name earlier?
    the leader was prepared initially the let blondie die as he was ordered to do, but changed his mind when he saw all the boys rally and fight together because he realized they were braver than the village elders
    I think the point is that introducing his name now is particularly pointless. It likely wouldn't have added anything earlier, but it definitely doesn't now.

    you're making a judgment about the comic, which you're certainly allowed to do (no doubt you feel I'm saying you can't judge the comic but that's completely missing my point)
    but if you're going to say, "this is what's wrong with the comic"
    I'm also allowed to say, "no that part of the comic totally makes sense, it's really simple"

    so stop backpedaling and trying to make me look like I'm reading too much into what you're saying

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  • Grid SystemGrid System Registered User regular
    edited July 2009
    Hunter wrote: »
    It's not like the story was about an airplane and its potential to take off on a treadmill vs a normal runway. We're not debating Newtonian physics. It's a fucking fantasy comic. A wizard did it with magic and elves or some shit.
    What is your problem?
    Seriously, the whole "how do basilisks eat" thing isn't new. It's a mythical creature. What's more, it's a creature that has not been specifically created for the lookouts universe and follows most conventions for the creature in other fiction. You can not use this as a critisism against the comic.
    Defensive much? I'm not criticizing anything (except maybe the name thing), and it's not like you're the writer or artist, so what do you care anyway?

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  • CorporateLogoCorporateLogo The toilet knows how I feelRegistered User regular
    edited July 2009
    Druhim wrote: »
    this is like debating whether Solomon Grundy or Thor are stronger or whether Wolverine could beat The Flash

    The answer is, of course, Batman.

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    Do not have a cow, mortal.

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  • DogDog Registered User, Administrator, Vanilla Staff admin
    edited July 2009
    Chickens eat rocks on purpose yes.

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  • HunterHunter Chemist with a heart of Au Registered User regular
    edited July 2009
    Hunter wrote: »
    It's not like the story was about an airplane and its potential to take off on a treadmill vs a normal runway. We're not debating Newtonian physics. It's a fucking fantasy comic. A wizard did it with magic and elves or some shit.
    What is your problem?

    My problem is you keep posting stupid shit.

    Hunter on
  • DavoidDavoid Registered User regular
    edited July 2009
    Don't chickens eat rocks to help them digest?
    Actually I think chickens probably do it accidentally while trying to eat their feed.

    Chickens are are all kinds of stupid.

    Now if you'd said crows I might buy it.

    Because crows are the einsteins of the avian world.

    The gizzard

    chickens might eat stones and such because, yea, they are dumb, but those serve a purpose

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  • Vargas PrimeVargas Prime King of Nothing Just a ShowRegistered User regular
    edited July 2009
    I posit that this final comic reflects some of the deeper story behind the Lookouts world that perhaps Jerry and Mike had envisioned to begin with. I doubt this political system and arrangement with basilisks and whatnot came completely out of the blue from Oliver and Becky.

    I wonder how many people who were all "grr, we are cheated" are now going to be like "grr, this story is dumb and makes no sense!"

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  • SzechuanosaurusSzechuanosaurus Registered User, ClubPA regular
    edited July 2009
    Hunter wrote: »
    It's not like the story was about an airplane and its potential to take off on a treadmill vs a normal runway. We're not debating Newtonian physics. It's a fucking fantasy comic. A wizard did it with magic and elves or some shit.
    What is your problem?

    Hunter's problem is: Could an airplane could take off if it was on a conveyor belt running in the opposite direction at the same speed that the airplane was trying to accelerate forwards?

    If you get the answer wrong he eats you and throws you in a chasm. Not necessarily in that order. But possibly in that order.

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  • DruhimDruhim Registered User, ClubPA regular
    edited July 2009
    it's bizarre how Grid is basically just taking any criticism directed at him and throwing it right back in their face

    "oh I'm stupid am I? Well uh, YOU'RE STUPID. In your face!"

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  • QuothQuoth the Raven Miami, FL FOR REALRegistered User regular
    edited July 2009
    OMG WHICH BOY

    WHICH BOY

    DUN DUN DUUUUUUN

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  • DavoidDavoid Registered User regular
    edited July 2009
    He is rubber and we are glue

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  • HunterHunter Chemist with a heart of Au Registered User regular
    edited July 2009
    I want a prequel comic where the magical chicken lizards sit down with the townspeople to hammer out the treaty that involves sacrificing a young boy each year. I also want a basilisk to agree to scientific study so we can figure out its digestive practices and perhaps the mechanic behind petrification.

    Hunter on
  • Metal JaredMetal Jared Mulligan Wizard Rhode IslandRegistered User regular
    edited July 2009
    I posit that this final comic reflects some of the deeper story behind the Lookouts world that perhaps Jerry and Mike had envisioned to begin with. I doubt this political system and arrangement with basilisks and whatnot came completely out of the blue from Oliver and Becky.

    I wonder how many people who were all "grr, we are cheated" are now going to be like "grr, this story is dumb and makes no sense!"

    I'm sure they had to ok the story since they already knew about it (PROOF!)
    Tycho wrote:
    Guest Lookouts continues, with Becky Dreistadt and Oliver Grigsby at the reins. Things are certainly looking bad for our heroes. I'm tense, even though I already know what happens! Apparently they're doing a good job.

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  • formatformat Registered User regular
    edited July 2009
    The writing of this series wasn't very good, the writer obviously is not comfortable with a schedule like PA's. This lookouts arc did not suit a MWF comic strip. Taken all at once it is a pretty good story and makes sense but taken separately with days between updates, it loses a lot and attracts negative criticism.

    The artist attempted some things that not everyone liked, and they are entitled to not like the style the artist chose. It was a bit inconsistent at some times, a lot of elements confused me when I first saw them, but that was a stylistic choice. Nothing in the art is ambiguous when you read all of the strips together as one entity, but taken in pieces as they were given to us, the style confuses.

    You can tell the writer works for TV because each individual strip has a mini-cliffhanger and you can take the intermission between panels as a commercial break. It works very well if you read them all at once with the loading of the next comic serving as the intended small break.

    How many people thought "well this explains everything!" when they saw the next panel in the series? Quite a few even in this thread here. This Arc would have been fine broken up in pieces like it was in a daily format and would not have attracted as much vitriol as it did.

    tl;dr
    Arc is great when taken as a whole, not very good split up as it was.

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  • Grid SystemGrid System Registered User regular
    edited July 2009
    Druhim wrote: »
    Druhim wrote: »
    Now I think you're the one overthinking.
    yet I'm the one that understands the comic just fine
    There's a difference between a lack of understanding and a desire to examine something beyond its brute facts. I get what's going on, I just want to look under the hood a bit. You seem opposed to this idea for some reason. That's cool, I'm not going to force you to analyze the writing or the story, but what's the big deal if I want to?

    Edit: If it really bugs you that much, I guess you could ignore me?
    except you're not just peeking under the hood
    Sure I am. I'm either looking at how the comic works from the perspective of the words used to convey meaning, or from the perspective of trying to understand the workings of the fictional universe.

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  • DruhimDruhim Registered User, ClubPA regular
    edited July 2009
    that's a fair cop format

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  • joelfinchjoelfinch Registered User regular
    edited July 2009
    robothero wrote: »
    joelfinch wrote: »
    There are enough pieces for us to be able to assemble something like a coherent story around them ourselves, but the fact that we have to is precisely why it's not good storytelling.

    It seems like most of us have no problem putting two and two together here.

    It's not that I don't get the story, I just don't think it was well-crafted.

    I could probably take a random frame from each minute of Star Wars and you'd still get the basic idea, but it wouldn't make it a very well-told story. Having all the pieces is not the same as a smoothly functioning whole.

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  • DogDog Registered User, Administrator, Vanilla Staff admin
    edited July 2009
    I don't like Star Wars.

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  • HappylilElfHappylilElf Registered User regular
    edited July 2009
    Hunter wrote: »
    Don't chickens eat rocks to help them digest?
    Actually I think chickens probably do it accidentally while trying to eat their feed.

    Chickens are are all kinds of stupid.

    Now if you'd said crows I might buy it.

    Because crows are the einsteins of the avian world.

    No, birds are known to ingest stones that stay in their gizzard and aid in the digestion process.

    Absolutely.

    I was just pointing out that chickens are incredibly stupid creatures and posing that it very well may be totally unintentional on their part while also noting crows have been known to display some incredible intelligence.

    I mean I guess we could have a debate on whether or nor chickens intentionally ingest stones or not if you want to. But while I'm only pretty sure it won't go anywhere I'm positive that if we did it in this thread in particular it would not end well.

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  • masterofmetroidmasterofmetroid Have you ever looked at a world and seen it as a kind of challenge?Registered User regular
    edited July 2009
    Seriously, the whole "how do basilisks eat" thing isn't new. It's a mythical creature. What's more, it's a creature that has not been specifically created for the lookouts universe and follows most conventions for the creature in other fiction. You can not use this as a critisism against the comic.
    Defensive much? I'm not criticizing anything (except maybe the name thing), and it's not like you're the writer or artist, so what do you care anyway?[/QUOTE]

    Becuase it annoys me that your using an extremely stupid reason for the comic being bad, the name thing being an even worse example of this? Why do we debate about anything? Mainly to change and/or make up someones mind. I find it kind of revealing however you switched to "Why do you care?" as two people brought up a seperate but related point that pretty much destroyed yours.

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  • HunterHunter Chemist with a heart of Au Registered User regular
    edited July 2009
    robothero wrote: »
    I don't like Star Wars.

    Only the Sith deal in absolutes.

    Hunter on
  • joelfinchjoelfinch Registered User regular
    edited July 2009
    robothero wrote: »
    I don't like Star Wars.

    Hmm, that could be a real problem then.

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  • Grid SystemGrid System Registered User regular
    edited July 2009
    Hunter wrote: »
    It's not like the story was about an airplane and its potential to take off on a treadmill vs a normal runway. We're not debating Newtonian physics. It's a fucking fantasy comic. A wizard did it with magic and elves or some shit.
    What is your problem?

    Hunter's problem is: Could an airplane could take off if it was on a conveyor belt running in the opposite direction at the same speed that the airplane was trying to accelerate forwards?

    If you get the answer wrong he eats you and throws you in a chasm. Not necessarily in that order. But possibly in that order.
    Is he a basilisk? What if I'm a basilisk?
    Druhim wrote: »
    it's bizarre how Grid is basically just taking any criticism directed at him and throwing it right back in their face

    "oh I'm stupid am I? Well uh, YOU'RE STUPID. In your face!"
    Well that took the wind right out of my sails. :P

    Grid System on
  • DavoidDavoid Registered User regular
    edited July 2009
    What is a good food to cook for lunch?

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  • DogDog Registered User, Administrator, Vanilla Staff admin
    edited July 2009
    joelfinch wrote: »
    robothero wrote: »
    I don't like Star Wars.

    Hmm, that could be a real problem then.

    Not really, no.

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  • HunterHunter Chemist with a heart of Au Registered User regular
    edited July 2009
    I wonder what type of weapon a basilisk is weakest against. Let's get the Mythbusters working on this one. I want an array of weapons, such as swords, guns, knives, axes, maces, hammers, vorpal swords, nuclear weapons, sling shots, sticks, laser cannons, light sabers, blasters, phasers, proton torpedoes, photon torpedoes, mean words, and possibly a gun that shoots swords that also has a chainsaw bayonet.

    Hunter on
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