Should Domestic Cows Be Taken Off Welfare?

GlyphGlyph Registered User regular
edited August 2009 in Debate and/or Discourse
As far back as 2006, we've known that cattle farming is responsible for at least 18% of the world's greenhouse gases - particularly methane, which can be up to 50 times as potent as carbon dioxide - and that the damage is expected to double within the next fifty years. There are currently 1.5 billion cows on earth covering 30% of the world's entire land surface. Rather than contributing to the ecosystem, they're a bane on the biosphere as a whole.

http://www.fao.org/newsroom/en/news/2006/1000448/index.html
...herds cause wide-scale land degradation, with about 20 percent of pastures considered as degraded through overgrazing, compaction and erosion. This figure is even higher in the drylands where inappropriate policies and inadequate livestock management contribute to advancing desertification.

The livestock business is among the most damaging sectors to the earth’s increasingly scarce water resources, contributing among other things to water pollution, euthropication and the degeneration of coral reefs.

As they exist now, they're not even natural. They're an aberration and an abomination, the product of generations upon generations of specialized breeding and hormone treatment; a ghastly affront to the very fabric of reality.

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But what have we done about it? Nothing really. Americans continue to raise cattle because of our love for beef, but can we really afford to maintain (let alone expand) this booming industry even as the climate situation continues to deteriorate? Maybe we don't have to kill literally every single cow on Earth, but enough that we would no longer be able to use them as a staple. And of course there are other alternatives that could easily provide for both our milk and meat needs. One thing remains certain, approximately 90% of the cattle population will need to be culled off eventually regardless of how it will affect cattle farmers or the Hindu nation. We must, I repeat must, eradicate the bovine menace.

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  • BogartBogart Streetwise Hercules Registered User, Moderator Mod Emeritus
    edited July 2009
  • The CatThe Cat Registered User, ClubPA regular
    edited July 2009
    I had a coherent reply, but then you had to post furry images and now I'm too busy looking for brain-bleach to type.

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  • DetharinDetharin Registered User regular
    edited July 2009
    Problem, cows are tasty, but the species causes problems for the ecosystem. Tasty tasty problems.

    Genocide of an entire species is rarely the solution to any of lifes problems. If it worked we could just vote to wipe ourselves out and prevent quite a few ecological disasters. Hell we do not even know what the long term ecological effects of such a tasty cow slaughter would be.

    To answer your question no, it is better we kill them at a sustainable rate for their tasty, tasty, meat shells than to wipe them all out and force future generations to live without the glory that is beef.

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  • MikeManMikeMan Registered User regular
    edited July 2009
    i love that the furry cow in that pic has boobs. instead of, you know, udders

    why am i wasting brain cycles on this?

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  • SpeakerSpeaker Registered User regular
    edited July 2009
    I've never seen a cow anthropomorphized that way.

    Stunning.

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  • Clint EastwoodClint Eastwood My baby's in there someplace She crawled right inRegistered User regular
    edited July 2009
    cows are delicious

    so to answer your question: no

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  • OptimusZedOptimusZed Registered User regular
    edited July 2009
    Speaker wrote: »
    I've never seen a cow anthropomorphized that way.

    Stunning.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hathor

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  • PonyPony Registered User regular
    edited July 2009
    i'm only in favor of making cows extinct or a dramatic reduction in the cow population if it means i get to eat steak every single day for like, a year

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  • JacobkoshJacobkosh Gamble a stamp. I can show you how to be a real man!Moderator mod
    edited July 2009
    Anthony Bourdain just namechecked one of my favorite places to eat in an article called 13 Places to Eat Before You Die.
    13) Oklahoma Joe's Barbecue (Kansas City, Kansas) People may disagree on who has the best BBQ. Here, the brisket (particularly the burnt ends), pulled pork, and ribs are all of a quality that meet the high standards even of Kansas City natives. It's the best BBQ in Kansas City, which makes it the best BBQ in the world.

    And indeed, behold

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    This is all the compelling evidence I need to answer no.

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  • DalbozDalboz Resident Puppy Eater Right behind you...Registered User regular
    edited July 2009
    That's the real crux of the problem. I've always said that passing laws and protections to preserve an endangered species are useless. If you really want to protect an endangered species, then prove that it's delicious. People will not allow a delicious animal to die out.

    In short, it will never happen unless cattle farming becomes too costly in a monetary sense. Besides, I smell PETA behind any attempt dismantling the cattle industry.

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  • TavTav Irish Minister for DefenceRegistered User regular
    edited July 2009
    Speaker wrote: »
    I've never seen a cow anthropomorphized that way.

    Stunning.

    Have you never played WoW? :P

    It's a taruen. Some of their RPers are creepy as fuck.

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  • ElitistbElitistb Registered User regular
    edited July 2009
    Speaker wrote: »
    I've never seen a cow anthropomorphized that way.

    Stunning.
    You've never played, nor seen, nor even heard of World of Warcraft and its Tauren race?

    edit: Crap, beaten. That's what I get for replying before reading to the bottom of the page.

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  • PonyPony Registered User regular
    edited July 2009
    Tav wrote: »
    Speaker wrote: »
    I've never seen a cow anthropomorphized that way.

    Stunning.

    Have you never played WoW? :P

    It's a taruen. Some of their RPers are creepy as fuck.

    all RPers are creepy as fuck

    absolute statements up in heeeeeeerrrrreeeee

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  • JacobkoshJacobkosh Gamble a stamp. I can show you how to be a real man!Moderator mod
    edited July 2009
    Pony wrote: »
    all RPers are creepy as fuck

    They also produce quite a bit of methane.

    Hmmmmm

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  • The CatThe Cat Registered User, ClubPA regular
    edited July 2009
    anyway, its not that eating cows is a problem. Eating as much cow as we do is the problem. Nobody really needs meat-dominated meals every freakin' day. In fact, its kind of not great for you.

    Problem is that a lot of modern recipes are centred around disposing of large quantities of artificially cheapened products like corn and beef, so lots of people don't even really know how not to live on steak.

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  • Willeh DeeWilleh Dee Registered User regular
    edited July 2009
    The Cat wrote: »
    Nobody really needs meat-dominated meals every freakin' day. In fact, its kind of not great for you.

    Tell that to Power lifters, body builders and other athletes.

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  • SpindizzySpindizzy Registered User regular
    edited July 2009
    If I had a choice between Bean-Curd or a steak I know which i'd rather choose. Couldn't you engineer cows to produce less methane?

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  • GrisloGrislo Registered User regular
    edited July 2009
    Glyph wrote: »
    ...cows on earth covering 30% of the world's entire land surface.

    Is that an accurate number? Is it even close?

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  • PonyPony Registered User regular
    edited July 2009
    Spindizzy wrote: »
    If I had a choice between Bean-Curd or a steak I know which i'd rather choose. Couldn't you engineer cows to produce less methane?

    by golly if we can make spider-goat hybrids that can create bulletproof vests (absolutely true statement) then we should be able to make cows that produce less methane

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  • RUNN1NGMANRUNN1NGMAN Registered User regular
    edited July 2009
    The OP should have the nekkid tauren pic that got deleted from the Blizzard Fan Art page back in the day.

    That's all I have to contribute right now.

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  • DarksierDarksier Registered User regular
    edited July 2009
    Guess it's time to switch over to Whale and Dolphin.
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    While visiting Japan a friend of mine was able to sample whale sashimi. He claims that it is indeed delicious.

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  • SyphonBlueSyphonBlue The studying beaver That beaver sure loves studying!Registered User regular
    edited July 2009
    Jesus Christ, this guy's threads just get stupider and stupider every time.

    Also, no, because cows are delicious.

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  • HeatwaveHeatwave Come, now, and walk the path of explosions with me!Registered User regular
    edited July 2009
    Yeah...cows actually aren't responsible for today's green house gasses. It humans. Maybe we should drive ourselves to extrictio--oh wait, we kinda are.

    Now let's forget all this nonsense and write some yiff fanfiction! :winky: Seriously though that image needs go

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  • SpindizzySpindizzy Registered User regular
    edited July 2009
    Darksier wrote: »
    Guess it's time to switch over to Whale and Dolphin.
    610x.jpg
    While visiting Japan a friend of mine was able to sample whale sashimi. He claims that it is indeed delicious.

    I'm not a PETA fucknut but if any of this is true (see the link to the film below) I'm not really going to be able to stomach a dolphin steak or whatever...

    http://www.apple.com/trailers/independent/thecove/

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  • PhistiPhisti Registered User regular
    edited July 2009
    If we farmed cows (and other tasty animals, see pigs) in a remotely sustainable manner we would have:

    A) Higher quality tastier meats
    B) Less methane and other crap to deal with

    I love a good burger, steak, roast, you name it - if it came from a cow I like it... get rid of high-density feed lots and I'd like it even more.

    *cue image of Troy Mclure "taste testing" the beef in a high density feed lot "mmm, just right"*

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  • HeatwaveHeatwave Come, now, and walk the path of explosions with me!Registered User regular
    edited July 2009
    Spindizzy wrote: »
    Darksier wrote: »
    Guess it's time to switch over to Whale and Dolphin.
    610x.jpg
    While visiting Japan a friend of mine was able to sample whale sashimi. He claims that it is indeed delicious.

    I'm not a PETA fucknut but if any of this is true (see the link to the film below) I'm not really going to be able to stomach a dolphin steak or whatever...

    http://www.apple.com/trailers/independent/thecove/
    You want the truth or the truth?

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  • RUNN1NGMANRUNN1NGMAN Registered User regular
    edited July 2009
    The question is, why aren't we housing cows in giant domes an reclaiming the methane for power generation?

    I was at a methane reclaimation plant a few weeks ago where they take methane from a near-by landfill and use it to power generators. Pretty cool stuff.

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  • geckahngeckahn Registered User regular
    edited July 2009
    Spindizzy wrote: »
    Darksier wrote: »
    Guess it's time to switch over to Whale and Dolphin.
    610x.jpg
    While visiting Japan a friend of mine was able to sample whale sashimi. He claims that it is indeed delicious.

    I'm not a PETA fucknut but if any of this is true (see the link to the film below) I'm not really going to be able to stomach a dolphin steak or whatever...

    http://www.apple.com/trailers/independent/thecove/

    A dolphin fish steak - that's mahi mahi. not dolphin.

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  • PeregrineFalconPeregrineFalcon Registered User regular
    edited July 2009
    RUNN1NGMAN wrote: »
    The question is, why aren't we housing cows in giant domes an reclaiming the methane for power generation?

    I was at a methane reclaimation plant a few weeks ago where they take methane from a near-by landfill and use it to power generators. Pretty cool stuff.

    We are.

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    Many dairy farms are, or are nearly, producing 100% of their energy needs from methane digesters.

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  • enc0reenc0re Registered User regular
    edited July 2009
    Glyph wrote: »
    As far back as 2006, we've known that cattle farming is responsible for at least 18% of the world's greenhouse gases - particularly methane, which can be up to 50 times as potent as carbon dioxide - and that the damage is expected to double within the next fifty years. There are currently 1.5 billion cows on earth covering 30% of the world's entire land surface. Rather than contributing to the ecology, they're a bane on the biosphere as a whole.

    http://www.fao.org/newsroom/en/news/2006/1000448/index.html
    ...herds cause wide-scale land degradation, with about 20 percent of pastures considered as degraded through overgrazing, compaction and erosion. This figure is even higher in the drylands where inappropriate policies and inadequate livestock management contribute to advancing desertification.

    The livestock business is among the most damaging sectors to the earth’s increasingly scarce water resources, contributing among other things to water pollution, euthropication and the degeneration of coral reefs.

    May I humbly suggest a combo-solution to both these issues. Step 1: Get the cows off the land and into factory farms. No more overgrazing, compacting, or erosion. Step 2: Capture methane from the cows for power generation, which is easy once they are indoors. Problem solved, no?

    Once again, factory farming is helping us build a sustainable future.

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  • electricitylikesmeelectricitylikesme Registered User regular
    edited July 2009
    RUNN1NGMAN wrote: »
    The question is, why aren't we housing cows in giant domes an reclaiming the methane for power generation?

    I was at a methane reclaimation plant a few weeks ago where they take methane from a near-by landfill and use it to power generators. Pretty cool stuff.

    We are.

    2uidapu.jpg

    Many dairy farms are, or are nearly, producing 100% of their energy needs from methane digesters.
    That's actually pretty cool.

    I'd be content with cows going away once synmeat production picks up.

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  • RUNN1NGMANRUNN1NGMAN Registered User regular
    edited July 2009
    RUNN1NGMAN wrote: »
    The question is, why aren't we housing cows in giant domes an reclaiming the methane for power generation?

    I was at a methane reclaimation plant a few weeks ago where they take methane from a near-by landfill and use it to power generators. Pretty cool stuff.

    We are.

    2uidapu.jpg

    Many dairy farms are, or are nearly, producing 100% of their energy needs from methane digesters.
    That's actually pretty cool.

    I'd be content with cows going away once synmeat production picks up.

    See, problem solved! And it only took two pages!

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  • HeatwaveHeatwave Come, now, and walk the path of explosions with me!Registered User regular
    edited July 2009
    RUNN1NGMAN wrote: »
    RUNN1NGMAN wrote: »
    The question is, why aren't we housing cows in giant domes an reclaiming the methane for power generation?

    I was at a methane reclaimation plant a few weeks ago where they take methane from a near-by landfill and use it to power generators. Pretty cool stuff.

    We are.

    2uidapu.jpg

    Many dairy farms are, or are nearly, producing 100% of their energy needs from methane digesters.
    That's actually pretty cool.

    I'd be content with cows going away once synmeat production picks up.

    See, problem solved! And it only took two pages!
    Now all we need to do is replace toilet paper with sea shells

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  • QuidQuid Definitely not a banana Registered User regular
    edited July 2009
    Continuing a practice that has a significant negative impact on the environment because it produces something that's tasty is dumb.

    However, advocating the extinction of an entire species to stop this instead of just changing the practice to be far less harmful is insane.

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  • PeregrineFalconPeregrineFalcon Registered User regular
    edited July 2009
    Heatwave wrote: »
    RUNN1NGMAN wrote: »
    RUNN1NGMAN wrote: »
    The question is, why aren't we housing cows in giant domes an reclaiming the methane for power generation?

    I was at a methane reclaimation plant a few weeks ago where they take methane from a near-by landfill and use it to power generators. Pretty cool stuff.

    We are.

    2uidapu.jpg

    Many dairy farms are, or are nearly, producing 100% of their energy needs from methane digesters.
    That's actually pretty cool.

    I'd be content with cows going away once synmeat production picks up.

    See, problem solved! And it only took two pages!
    Now all we need to do is replace toilet paper with sea shells

    It's bad enough when you take a shit on a road trip and the rest stop is using that one-ply sandpaper, surely you're not expecting people to scratch their brown eye with a fucking seashell. o_O
    yes i got the demolition man reference

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  • HonkHonk Honk is this poster. Registered User, __BANNED USERS regular
    edited July 2009
    The problem with those domes are that the cows inside eventually choke to death on their own poop-gasses. This also causes the meat to taste like cowpie, and will eventually lead to the extinctions of cows. So it's not a solution.

    I might've made "some" of that up.

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  • HeatwaveHeatwave Come, now, and walk the path of explosions with me!Registered User regular
    edited July 2009
    Heatwave wrote: »
    RUNN1NGMAN wrote: »
    RUNN1NGMAN wrote: »
    The question is, why aren't we housing cows in giant domes an reclaiming the methane for power generation?

    I was at a methane reclaimation plant a few weeks ago where they take methane from a near-by landfill and use it to power generators. Pretty cool stuff.

    We are.

    2uidapu.jpg

    Many dairy farms are, or are nearly, producing 100% of their energy needs from methane digesters.
    That's actually pretty cool.

    I'd be content with cows going away once synmeat production picks up.

    See, problem solved! And it only took two pages!
    Now all we need to do is replace toilet paper with sea shells

    It's bad enough when you take a shit on a road trip and the rest stop is using that one-ply sandpaper, surely you're not expecting people to scratch their brown eye with a fucking seashell. o_O
    yes i got the demolition man reference
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    I seriously can not understand why the OP of this thread would advocate the eradication of the moo cow. We'd just move onto the next animal and do the same damn thing. And even if we don't, what about the children? Would we replace their milk with the soy bean variety? Didn't an infant fucking die from drinking nothing but that?

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  • Pi-r8Pi-r8 Registered User regular
    edited July 2009
    Ah now this the kind of thread that makes me love DnD.

    I'd be interested in seeing how organic, free-range cattle compare to feed-lot cattle in terms of environmental impact.

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  • QuidQuid Definitely not a banana Registered User regular
    edited July 2009
    Heatwave wrote: »
    Would we replace their milk with the soy bean variety? Didn't an infant fucking die from drinking nothing but that?
    How exactly do you think people raise kids in places without cows?

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  • Toxin01Toxin01 Registered User regular
    edited July 2009
    No.

    Because cows are delicious.

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