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Hey guys was looking to get a new hdtv almost exclusively for playing xbox360 games on. The set will be in a bedroom.
The most important thing for me is that it wont blur / ghost / do weird shit when im gaming.
The set above is a tv that I saw at bestbuy today that looked very good in the store, even when compared against several other models that were more expensive. I know it is 720 p but it is also 32 inch and I have read that 720p / 1080p can only see difference on larger sets? Also is the 6ms response time going to be good enough for games?
Thanks for any advice.
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ChanusHarbinger of the Spicy Rooster ApocalypseThe Flames of a Thousand Collapsed StarsRegistered User, Moderatormod
edited July 2009
I have a 21" widescreen 720p HDTV and it's a piece of junk. 1080p on my 23" widescreen monitor is night-and-day difference.
6ms is pretty quick (under 8ms is pretty decent), you can find lower, but the price will shoot up. A high-as-possible contrast ratio is also helpful.
I have a 21" widescreen 720p HDTV and it's a piece of junk. 1080p on my 23" widescreen monitor is night-and-day difference.
6ms is pretty quick (under 8ms is pretty decent), you can find lower, but the price will shoot up. A high-as-possible contrast ratio is also helpful.
I'm not sure what you're talking about.
720p and 1080p on anything smaller than upper-30in sets look almost exactly the same, especially to the untrained eye. The problem probably lies with your set, not the resolution.
To OP: 720p is fine unless you're going above 40in.
I have a 50 inch 720p and it's ALSO perfectly fine, unless I sit too close to the set. It's not as simply as how big it is, it's also how far back you're sitting. Either way, I saw no need to get a 1080p, the difference wasn't worth the price imho.
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I have a 50 inch 720p and it's ALSO perfectly fine, unless I sit too close to the set. It's not as simply as how big it is, it's also how far back you're sitting. Either way, I saw no need to get a 1080p, the difference wasn't worth the price imho.
Exactly. I've never seen a 50in 720p set, but like I said, they're very similar.
I have a 60in 1080p set, and the difference between 720p and 1080p is quite small. Its still noticeable to me, but its not a deal breaker.
for 150 dollars more you can get a 42 inch plasma by Panasonic which will kick the shit out of any bargain LCD TV you're likely to find with a comparable price.
It'll be way better for gaming because of the refresh rate and color quality, panasonics have built in anti-burn in tech, so unless you are completely stupid and leave it on all day on some static screen, you are fine.
Had mine for about 3 months so far, not a single sign of burn-in.
Having owned several plasma sets of various quality, I can say that yes they are gorgeous for watching displays of bright objects against dead black backgrounds.
beyond that they are ugly even the highest quality plasma televisions will ghost something fierce for the "burn in period" of about 100 hours, than they do this ugly meshy grainy thing on color variants... my plasma experience has been very very very poor.
I purchased a $1000 insignia LCD (1080p), it blows the crap out of every plasma I've seen, even sets costing as much as $5000.
Having owned several plasma sets of various quality, I can say that yes they are gorgeous for watching displays of bright objects against dead black backgrounds.
beyond that they are ugly even the highest quality plasma televisions will ghost something fierce for the "burn in period" of about 100 hours, than they do this ugly meshy grainy thing on color variants... my plasma experience has been very very very poor.
I purchased a $1000 insignia LCD (1080p), it blows the crap out of every plasma I've seen, even sets costing as much as $5000.
I will always recommend LCD > Plasma
Terrible advice. LCDs and Plasmas have their advantages and disadvantages. Sorry to hear that you've had plenty of shitty plasmas. Your bad experiences does not mean all plasmas are terrible.
Also is the 6ms response time going to be good enough for games?
The response time actually has nothing to do with input lag. Input lag is determined by reducing image processing. Most "game modes" can do a decent job reducing (but not eliminating) lag. Again, refer to the avsforums for reviews about input lag.
Having owned several plasma sets of various quality, I can say that yes they are gorgeous for watching displays of bright objects against dead black backgrounds.
beyond that they are ugly even the highest quality plasma televisions will ghost something fierce for the "burn in period" of about 100 hours, than they do this ugly meshy grainy thing on color variants... my plasma experience has been very very very poor.
I purchased a $1000 insignia LCD (1080p), it blows the crap out of every plasma I've seen, even sets costing as much as $5000.
I will always recommend LCD > Plasma
Terrible advice. LCDs and Plasmas have their advantages and disadvantages. Sorry to hear that you've had plenty of shitty plasmas. Your bad experiences does not mean all plasmas are terrible.
Also is the 6ms response time going to be good enough for games?
The response time actually has nothing to do with input lag. Input lag is determined by reducing image processing. Most "game modes" can do a decent job reducing (but not eliminating) lag. Again, refer to the avsforums for reviews about input lag.
I'll be the first to admit that my experience is emotional and completely anecdotal.
It has still been my experience, and it's not as though I'm going around buying televisions without looking around and doing my homework.
I did buy the model I posted and so far I am very happy with it. Great picture no noticeable blur yet on my xbox. Seems awesome. Keep in mind have only used it on one game for about 30 minutes :P
For what its worth, I generally recommend plasmas over LCD.
Do you mind if I ask why?
I find that even in extremely high quality sets plasma has a "squishier" image, a less true representation of the source material, and while this is fine for television/movie viewing for gaming / computing uses of a monitor I find that LCD has a more "settled" more defined image where each pixel is very clearly each pixel.
I know plasma has an edge over LCD in the contrast level department, but with the advent of dynamic led back lighting this gap is hardly a deal breaker anymore..
I think LCDs are going to be a more faithful, re-creator of static images like menus, and huds, and a more than equal viewing surface for your dynamic images, like cut scenes and actual game content, I think that especially for a gamer an LCD with a decent contrast rating offers more of what he's looking for.
For what its worth, I generally recommend plasmas over LCD.
Do you mind if I ask why?
I find that even in extremely high quality sets plasma has a "squishier" image, a less true representation of the source material, and while this is fine for television/movie viewing for gaming / computing uses of a monitor I find that LCD has a more "settled" more defined image where each pixel is very clearly each pixel.
I know plasma has an edge over LCD in the contrast level department, but with the advent of dynamic led back lighting this gap is hardly a deal breaker anymore..
I think LCDs are going to be a more faithful, re-creator of static images like menus, and huds, and a more than equal viewing surface for your dynamic images, like cut scenes and actual game content, I think that especially for a gamer an LCD with a decent contrast rating offers more of what he's looking for.
It doesn't matter if it's a plasma or LCD, a digital display is going to recreate the pixel-for-pixel image it's getting. "More defined" is not necessarily a good thing--it may indicate that you have a lot of image enhancement settings on and the sharpness cranked up, both of which will give a more defined image but are also altering the native image.
The plasma sets have a much wider viewing angle than LCDs and doesn't have the problems with jaggedness of fast-moving objects like LCDs often have. Plasmas are also generally cheaper per inch.
Plasmas are terrible in the glare department in rooms where you can't control lighting. LCDs are better for things like computer monitors where the static images on a computer won't ruin an LCD with image retention like it might for Plasmas. However, most plasmas aren't as bad in the image retention department anymore.
Don't get me wrong, LCDs are still beautiful tvs. Given the choices available at his (and my) price range I'd weight more heavily in favor of plasmas.
BTW my 360 looks fantastic on my 50" panasonic g10.
MichaelLCIn what furnace was thy brain?ChicagoRegistered Userregular
edited July 2009
I've always explained it like this: "The best plasma will be a better picture than the best LCD, but only under ideal conditions."
At 32", 720p would be fine.
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6ms is pretty quick (under 8ms is pretty decent), you can find lower, but the price will shoot up. A high-as-possible contrast ratio is also helpful.
I'm not sure what you're talking about.
720p and 1080p on anything smaller than upper-30in sets look almost exactly the same, especially to the untrained eye. The problem probably lies with your set, not the resolution.
To OP: 720p is fine unless you're going above 40in.
Exactly. I've never seen a 50in 720p set, but like I said, they're very similar.
I have a 60in 1080p set, and the difference between 720p and 1080p is quite small. Its still noticeable to me, but its not a deal breaker.
It'll be way better for gaming because of the refresh rate and color quality, panasonics have built in anti-burn in tech, so unless you are completely stupid and leave it on all day on some static screen, you are fine.
Had mine for about 3 months so far, not a single sign of burn-in.
we also talk about other random shit and clown upon each other
beyond that they are ugly even the highest quality plasma televisions will ghost something fierce for the "burn in period" of about 100 hours, than they do this ugly meshy grainy thing on color variants... my plasma experience has been very very very poor.
I purchased a $1000 insignia LCD (1080p), it blows the crap out of every plasma I've seen, even sets costing as much as $5000.
I will always recommend LCD > Plasma
Terrible advice. LCDs and Plasmas have their advantages and disadvantages. Sorry to hear that you've had plenty of shitty plasmas. Your bad experiences does not mean all plasmas are terrible.
The avsforums are a great place to start.
For your convenience: Penny-Arcade TV Thread
The response time actually has nothing to do with input lag. Input lag is determined by reducing image processing. Most "game modes" can do a decent job reducing (but not eliminating) lag. Again, refer to the avsforums for reviews about input lag.
Steven Spielberg says Plasma.
I'm not arguing with Steven fucking Spielberg.
we also talk about other random shit and clown upon each other
I'll be the first to admit that my experience is emotional and completely anecdotal.
It has still been my experience, and it's not as though I'm going around buying televisions without looking around and doing my homework.
I did buy the model I posted and so far I am very happy with it. Great picture no noticeable blur yet on my xbox. Seems awesome. Keep in mind have only used it on one game for about 30 minutes :P
Do you mind if I ask why?
I find that even in extremely high quality sets plasma has a "squishier" image, a less true representation of the source material, and while this is fine for television/movie viewing for gaming / computing uses of a monitor I find that LCD has a more "settled" more defined image where each pixel is very clearly each pixel.
I know plasma has an edge over LCD in the contrast level department, but with the advent of dynamic led back lighting this gap is hardly a deal breaker anymore..
I think LCDs are going to be a more faithful, re-creator of static images like menus, and huds, and a more than equal viewing surface for your dynamic images, like cut scenes and actual game content, I think that especially for a gamer an LCD with a decent contrast rating offers more of what he's looking for.
It doesn't matter if it's a plasma or LCD, a digital display is going to recreate the pixel-for-pixel image it's getting. "More defined" is not necessarily a good thing--it may indicate that you have a lot of image enhancement settings on and the sharpness cranked up, both of which will give a more defined image but are also altering the native image.
Plasmas are terrible in the glare department in rooms where you can't control lighting. LCDs are better for things like computer monitors where the static images on a computer won't ruin an LCD with image retention like it might for Plasmas. However, most plasmas aren't as bad in the image retention department anymore.
Don't get me wrong, LCDs are still beautiful tvs. Given the choices available at his (and my) price range I'd weight more heavily in favor of plasmas.
BTW my 360 looks fantastic on my 50" panasonic g10.
At 32", 720p would be fine.