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Ahole Landlord

ANTVGM64ANTVGM64 Registered User regular
edited August 2009 in Help / Advice Forum
So I moved into my new apartment in North Chicago 2 months ago. Due to the fair housing act, the person who showed me the apartment said she couldn't tell me what kind of area it was, what the reputation of the land lord was, what have you. I tried to look online for info about the company, but found none.


Fast Forward 3 months later. I've paid rent on times, in some cases early, by putting the check under the boiler room door, as I was instructed. I've yet to recieve a key for my mailbox, or been put on the manifest, despite MANY phonecalls asking my landlord, Joe, to do so.

This morning I get the SECOND notice that I have NOT paid my rent for the month of August, when I, in fact, did. (two weeks ago, I received a yellow piece of paper saying there's a fifteen dollar fee, and to call my landlord. I do, I read to him the BACK OF THE CHECK HE CASHED WITH HIS NAME ON IT, and he says okay, I'm fine. I ask about my mailbox key. he says I'll have one by the end of the night.)

No mailbox key.

This morning I get a similar notice saying I haven't paid my rent. he says he wants proof of the check. I told him that we had this SAME conversation earlier in the month, and I read to him what was on the back of the check (It was a specific stamp that was used to cash it). He says he NEEDS proof, I can slip it under the boiler room door.

I ask if I can fax it. He says sure, fine. I ask about the mailbox key, he blows me off "Yeah sure,".

This is the most infurating thing in the world to me. My apartment is in a shitty location because no one is allowed to tell me I live near a mental hospital for the homeless, so leaving my apartment is an adventure, I find there's a problem with BUG infestation, bed bugs, roaches, and so on - because I managed to stumble upon reviews after attempting to find a damn e-mail for the landlord so I can EMAIL him proof of the checks, since I don't have a fax machine or a printer.

So, my question PA, is what can I do here? Obviously this guy is a joke. He's an idiot, and he has me by the balls because I signed a lease.



http://www.yelp.com/biz/j-and-b-management-chicago <----Reviews for this fellow.



(Please note he calls his company JB management when it's in fact just him)

My mother offered to print out the checks and mail them to me, but GASP guess who can't get mail after THREE FUCKING MONTHS.

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  • Jebus314Jebus314 Registered User regular
    edited August 2009
    If you are trying to get out of the lease there are lots of acceptable reasons for breaking one. Something like, if you tell him there is a bug problem and he fails to take care of it in an appropriate amount of time, could get you out of a lease. I would say your best bet is to talk to a rental lawyer and see what your options are.

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  • ANTVGM64ANTVGM64 Registered User regular
    edited August 2009
    I don't want to get out of the lease because I just finally got all my stuff in here, and moving to a new place is way more trouble than it's worth.

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  • EshEsh Tending bar. FFXIV. Motorcycles. Portland, ORRegistered User regular
    edited August 2009
    ANTVGM64 wrote: »
    I don't want to get out of the lease because I just finally got all my stuff in here, and moving to a new place is way more trouble than it's worth.

    Bedbugs? Get out. NOW.

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  • MegaMan001MegaMan001 CRNA Rochester, MNRegistered User regular
    edited August 2009
    ANTVGM64 wrote: »
    I don't want to get out of the lease because I just finally got all my stuff in here, and moving to a new place is way more trouble than it's worth.

    Moving is a bigger hassle then living in an apartment with insect infestation, where you are unable to receive mail, and where you get harassed for the rent on a monthly basis?

    Well, I guess you've picked your battles.

    Check with a rental lawyer over this - but if you're not willing to move out over it I'm not sure how much of a threat you can make to the land lord. If you are going to stay and pay rent, then he doesn't have much of an incentive to change things (unless the lawyer has an idea).

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  • ANTVGM64ANTVGM64 Registered User regular
    edited August 2009
    I'd be willing to move, I just think it's unfair that I have to incur the cost of paying movers and everything because this guy's a dick.

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  • PowerpuppiesPowerpuppies drinking coffee in the mountain cabinRegistered User regular
    edited August 2009
    Yeah, it's definitely not fair, but I doubt it would be worth the time and money to try and do anything about it. Hopefully your next home will be better.

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  • Lord YodLord Yod Registered User regular
    edited August 2009
    Seems like the Illinois Tenants' Union could help you out. I know in California you would be entitled to withhold rent payment until he gave you all the keys to your rented property but that may not be the case there.

    Edit: Seconding the GTFO notion, bug infestation is just not worth dealing with. Find a way to break your lease and get your deposit back.

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  • TNTrooperTNTrooper Registered User regular
    edited August 2009
    A lot of your stuff is going to be infested with bedbugs. If you do move out you sure as fuck don't want to bring the infestation over to your new place.

    Talk to a rental lawyer and find any agencies your state/county has to protect renters from abusive landlords.

    Really that homeless mental hospital is probably a better place to live in then your apartment get the fuck out.

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  • ANTVGM64ANTVGM64 Registered User regular
    edited August 2009
    I should clearify that I don't have bed bugs, but the reviews state the building has a problem with them.

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  • Lord YodLord Yod Registered User regular
    edited August 2009
    You should really look into getting a consultation with a lawyer who specializes in landlord-tenant issues. Having lived for years with a shitty landlord believe me it is worth the effort to get out of there.

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  • PowerpuppiesPowerpuppies drinking coffee in the mountain cabinRegistered User regular
    edited August 2009
    That makes the whole thing a lot less clear-cut. Moving out immediately may not be the best option after all. Hopefully it's legal where you are to withhold rent until you get your mailbox key. Not sure what to advise re: moron thinking he doesn't have your rent. Just keep the checks/receipts, I guess.

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  • ANTVGM64ANTVGM64 Registered User regular
    edited August 2009
    That's another thing, I don't get reciepts for the rent checks. He wants them put under a door for the boiler room.

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  • TNTrooperTNTrooper Registered User regular
    edited August 2009
    ANTVGM64 wrote: »
    That's another thing, I don't get reciepts for the rent checks. He wants them put under a door for the boiler room.

    Your bank can give you a copy of the check as well when it was cashed, but check your local laws your landlord might be required to give a receipt when requested.

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  • EshEsh Tending bar. FFXIV. Motorcycles. Portland, ORRegistered User regular
    edited August 2009
    ANTVGM64 wrote: »
    I should clearify that I don't have bed bugs, but the reviews state the building has a problem with them.

    You don't have them YET you mean. If they're in the building, they're going to make their way to you.

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  • TNTrooperTNTrooper Registered User regular
    edited August 2009
    Esh wrote: »
    ANTVGM64 wrote: »
    I should clearify that I don't have bed bugs, but the reviews state the building has a problem with them.

    You don't have them YET you mean. If they're in the building, they're going to make their way to you.

    Which is even more reason to get out ASAP cause once your stuff is infested you are going to be throwing it out and buying replacements.

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  • Inquisitor77Inquisitor77 2 x Penny Arcade Fight Club Champion A fixed point in space and timeRegistered User regular
    edited August 2009
    I don't get this kind of thinking at all. This is going to be the place you're going to live. It wreaks havoc with your stress level if you have to go home to a place where you are not comfortable, and which regularly engenders the kind of BS you've been putting up with now.

    Frankly, you are failing at the calculus of life. There are plenty of alarm bells ringing, which others have pointed out, telling you that you need to move, ASAP. Find a place where the landlord actually responds to their tenants and can keep track of who has and has not paid.

    If you are unwilling to move because of the "hassle", then frankly, stop bitching about the landlord. Getting a landlord to do something they are supposed to do anyway is a huge undertaking, especially if they have already evidenced clear and repeated disregard for your feelings and their responsibilities. You don't have a pressing reason of why you should fight this, and you are putting yourself at huge risk by staying.

    So seriously? GTFO already.

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  • Reservoir AngelReservoir Angel __BANNED USERS regular
    edited August 2009
    As soon as I heard "bedbugs" I instantly thought "get out as soon as is physically possible." You don't want those things around. They're evil and horrible. My house managed to get infested with them last year. One of the worst experiences of my life.

    Yes, moving is a hassle, but compare the hassle of moving with the hassle of bedbugs, roaches and, judging from the reviews, one of the most horrible landlords to ever stalk the Earth, and it really is just easier to move than to deal with all his shit and try to get stuff done there.

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  • ANTVGM64ANTVGM64 Registered User regular
    edited August 2009
    Well, I contacted a Lawyer, the bastard's already being sued, so I'm in on that bandwagon. Thanks for all the help :)

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  • PowerpuppiesPowerpuppies drinking coffee in the mountain cabinRegistered User regular
    edited August 2009
    Hahahahaha that is amazing. Best of luck to you.

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  • Reservoir AngelReservoir Angel __BANNED USERS regular
    edited August 2009
    ANTVGM64 wrote: »
    Well, I contacted a Lawyer, the bastard's already being sued, so I'm in on that bandwagon. Thanks for all the help :)
    So there is justice in the world

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  • MichaelLCMichaelLC In what furnace was thy brain? ChicagoRegistered User regular
    edited August 2009
    We had decent dealings with property company when we were renting in Ravenswood. A few maintenance issues, but no bugs and no conflicts with the rent.

    edit: And just a reminder about posting in public forums; Landlord sues tenant after tweet.... Tenant was completely justified, but just something to keep in mind.

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  • ShadowfireShadowfire Vermont, in the middle of nowhereRegistered User regular
    edited August 2009
    I agree with everyone else on the GTFO part, but...
    ANTVGM64 wrote: »
    Due to the fair housing act, the person who showed me the apartment said she couldn't tell me what kind of area it was, what the reputation of the land lord was, what have you. I tried to look online for info about the company, but found none.

    This confuses me. Why would the fair housing act restrict this information? If anything, what I've learned from recent house shopping is that they have to be brutally honest with you in regards to this information. Was this person employed by Asshat Management? If it was a third party (real estate agent or some such), I'd be calling with some serious complaints to them as well.

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  • ThanatosThanatos Registered User regular
    edited August 2009
    If your bank doesn't have images of the checks you've written people which have been cashed or deposited available to you online, I suggest you change banks.

    I also suggest that the next time he calls you and demands proof that you paid the rent, you should answer "no." Just tell him "I gave you a check. You cashed it. I have bank statements and check images that prove this. It's not my job to keep track of your accounts. If you get me my mail key, maybe I'll help you out." He can't evict you when you've paid the rent.

    Make complaints about all the problems with the apartment. There's a legal theory called "constructive eviction." If you can show that the guy was basically evicting you by not properly maintaining the apartment, you can break the lease penalty-free; that even being an option can be used to leverage the proper behavior out of your landlord. And honestly, it sounds like this guy didn't do some mandatory disclosures before you moved in, too. You should definitely talk to an attorney, because you may be able to get him to pay for you to move out.

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  • VisionOfClarityVisionOfClarity Registered User regular
    edited August 2009
    Shadowfire wrote: »
    I agree with everyone else on the GTFO part, but...
    ANTVGM64 wrote: »
    Due to the fair housing act, the person who showed me the apartment said she couldn't tell me what kind of area it was, what the reputation of the land lord was, what have you. I tried to look online for info about the company, but found none.

    This confuses me. Why would the fair housing act restrict this information? If anything, what I've learned from recent house shopping is that they have to be brutally honest with you in regards to this information. Was this person employed by Asshat Management? If it was a third party (real estate agent or some such), I'd be calling with some serious complaints to them as well.

    I've seen something similar when I looked at an apt that was obviously a building where the occupants were all illegal immigrants with 5-6 adults in 1-2 bedroom apartments (noticed the many names on the mailboxes) and the one bedroom I looked out that was occupied by 2 brothers and a sister, all with different last anmes and the bedroom door had a self installed padlock on it so we couldn't even see it. I asked the real estate agent about it and he told me legally he couldn't comment about that but he did tell me that "maybe this was a little too far from the T" for what I wanted... when it was 10 feet from a T bus stop.

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  • PheezerPheezer Registered User, ClubPA regular
    edited August 2009
    Seriously though, just general advice that's also relevant:
    A bed bug infestation is never worth sticking it out to fight. Unless you own the place and you'd lose a lot of equity by dumping it.

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  • PracticalProblemSolverPracticalProblemSolver Registered User regular
    edited August 2009
    Start keeping a diary of every interaction you have with your landlord, fill in anything you can possibly remember from the past.

    By hassling you about the rent checks, threatening you with fines, not providing access to your mail and having goddamn bedbugs in the building, your landlord is fucking with your right to peaceably enjoy your apartment(there's a legal term close to that, I forget what though) and has basically already broken your lease. You need to get your own lawyer, not just the one everyone else is using and have him give you a consultation. Ask your lawyer about withholding rent at least until you get the mailbox key.

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  • dwwatermelondwwatermelon Registered User regular
    edited August 2009
    Bedbugs are Satan's own creation, summoned up from the 7th circle of hell. Get Out. I promise you that you will regret it if you don't.

    I lived for one whole month in an apartment infested with them, and by the end I was having nightmares of them every time I closed my eyes. I trashed about two grand worth of stuff just to decrease my chances of bringing them to my new place.

    If bedbugs have been a problem in your building it is very unlikely they were successfully eliminated. Find some way, any way out of your lease and into a new place.

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  • DeebaserDeebaser on my way to work in a suit and a tie Ahhhh...come on fucking guyRegistered User regular
    edited August 2009
    ANTVGM64 wrote: »
    So I moved into my new apartment in North Chicago 2 months ago. Due to the fair housing act, the person who showed me the apartment said she couldn't tell me what kind of area it was, what the reputation of the land lord was, what have you.

    I don't know if this is actually in the fair housing act, but I do know that brokers are lying pieces of shit.

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  • MonoxideMonoxide Registered User, ClubPA regular
    edited August 2009
    I'm curious what neighborhood you're in. Since you said homeless mental hospital, I'm assuming you're in Uptown.

    in which case, dude, get the fuck out of uptown

    also please be careful if you're anywhere near Sheridan and Leland

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  • Iceman.USAFIceman.USAF Major East CoastRegistered User regular
    edited August 2009
    Shadowfire wrote: »
    I agree with everyone else on the GTFO part, but...
    ANTVGM64 wrote: »
    Due to the fair housing act, the person who showed me the apartment said she couldn't tell me what kind of area it was, what the reputation of the land lord was, what have you. I tried to look online for info about the company, but found none.

    This confuses me. Why would the fair housing act restrict this information? If anything, what I've learned from recent house shopping is that they have to be brutally honest with you in regards to this information. Was this person employed by Asshat Management? If it was a third party (real estate agent or some such), I'd be calling with some serious complaints to them as well.

    Seconded. This seems contrary to what the fair housing act tries to do. In the future, ask the cops. They (typically) maintain crime statistics. You can tell a lot about an area by how often the cops are called.

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  • EshEsh Tending bar. FFXIV. Motorcycles. Portland, ORRegistered User regular
    edited August 2009
    I'm really confused about something. Who cares if the people can't "tell" you about the neighborhood? Can't you just figure that out yourself? It can't take a rocket scientist to look around and figure out "Wow, this apartment/neighborhood is fucking awful.". Someone enlighten me here.

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  • MichaelLCMichaelLC In what furnace was thy brain? ChicagoRegistered User regular
    edited August 2009
    Esh wrote: »
    I'm really confused about something. Who cares if the people can't "tell" you about the neighborhood?

    Yes, if there's homeless dudes warming themselves around fires in barrels, you can get an idea. However, a lot of neighborhoods change at night when shops and businesses close, or by season, re: bums congregating around certain parks in summer.

    Wriglyville is a good example. Fine when there's games, but a little shadier when there's not.

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  • Bionic MonkeyBionic Monkey Registered User, ClubPA regular
    edited August 2009
    Esh wrote: »
    I'm really confused about something. Who cares if the people can't "tell" you about the neighborhood? Can't you just figure that out yourself? It can't take a rocket scientist to look around and figure out "Wow, this apartment/neighborhood is fucking awful.". Someone enlighten me here.

    I live in a nice looking little neighborhood, with well maintained houses and lawns. I also see the cops in the neighborhood at least once a week, have people out partying at 1 in the morning on a Wednesday, and recently has somebody do a smash & grab on a car about thirty feet from where I park.

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  • EshEsh Tending bar. FFXIV. Motorcycles. Portland, ORRegistered User regular
    edited August 2009
    Esh wrote: »
    I'm really confused about something. Who cares if the people can't "tell" you about the neighborhood? Can't you just figure that out yourself? It can't take a rocket scientist to look around and figure out "Wow, this apartment/neighborhood is fucking awful.". Someone enlighten me here.

    I live in a nice looking little neighborhood, with well maintained houses and lawns. I also see the cops in the neighborhood at least once a week, have people out partying at 1 in the morning on a Wednesday, and recently has somebody do a smash & grab on a car about thirty feet from where I park.

    That sounds like an anomaly.

    The OP sounds like they're living in a bug infested ghetto.

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  • MonoxideMonoxide Registered User, ClubPA regular
    edited August 2009
    Esh wrote: »
    I'm really confused about something. Who cares if the people can't "tell" you about the neighborhood? Can't you just figure that out yourself? It can't take a rocket scientist to look around and figure out "Wow, this apartment/neighborhood is fucking awful.". Someone enlighten me here.

    you're not really familiar with Chicago, are you?

    it's really not that simple. nighttime gang violence and the property crime and drug dealing that goes with it doesn't necessarily turn a neighborhood into a slum, and even the good neighborhoods weren't at some point. there's no real aesthetic qualities to the bad neighborhoods (like Uptown) that differentiate from the acceptable nearby ones (like Edgewater)

    you'd know you're in a bad area in the worst neighborhoods, like Englewood, but Uptown isn't really a bad looking place. there's some nightlife, a couple of music venues, and some pretty decent shops and storefronts along Broadway, plus the red line runs straight through it and it's bordered by some decent communities. in general, passing through makes it seem like a pretty okay place.

    but moving into an area with the highest concentration of homeless shelters in the city (as well as the cities only free mental health clinics geared toward the homeless) means there's a lot of homeless moving in and out of the area that may or may not be dangerous. since they, you know, don't have homes, it's not really a consistent thing.

    plus, since the beginning of the summer, crime and gang violence have been on the rise on the north side because there's really been no one to stop them. The number of street cops on patrol is way down because the city can't afford to pay them, and the available officers have been concentrating more on the west and south sides, where crime is traditionally a bigger problem.

    unless you knew all of what I just told you, you'd really have no idea that Uptown is kind of dangerous.

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  • DragonPupDragonPup Registered User regular
    edited August 2009
    I suggest you read over this, especially the section about rent withholding and repairs.

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  • EshEsh Tending bar. FFXIV. Motorcycles. Portland, ORRegistered User regular
    edited August 2009
    Monoxide wrote: »
    Esh wrote: »
    I'm really confused about something. Who cares if the people can't "tell" you about the neighborhood? Can't you just figure that out yourself? It can't take a rocket scientist to look around and figure out "Wow, this apartment/neighborhood is fucking awful.". Someone enlighten me here.

    you're not really familiar with Chicago, are you?

    it's really not that simple. nighttime gang violence and the property crime and drug dealing that goes with it doesn't necessarily turn a neighborhood into a slum, and even the good neighborhoods weren't at some point. there's no real aesthetic qualities to the bad neighborhoods (like Uptown) that differentiate from the acceptable nearby ones (like Edgewater)

    you'd know you're in a bad area in the worst neighborhoods, like Englewood, but Uptown isn't really a bad looking place. there's some nightlife, a couple of music venues, and some pretty decent shops and storefronts along Broadway, plus the red line runs straight through it and it's bordered by some decent communities. in general, passing through makes it seem like a pretty okay place.

    but moving into an area with the highest concentration of homeless shelters in the city (as well as the cities only free mental health clinics geared toward the homeless) means there's a lot of homeless moving in and out of the area that may or may not be dangerous. since they, you know, don't have homes, it's not really a consistent thing.

    plus, since the beginning of the summer, crime and gang violence have been on the rise on the north side because there's really been no one to stop them. The number of street cops on patrol is way down because the city can't afford to pay them, and the available officers have been concentrating more on the west and south sides, where crime is traditionally a bigger problem.

    unless you knew all of what I just told you, you'd really have no idea that Uptown is kind of dangerous.

    Just like you, I'm generall aware which parts of my city I would not want to live in. I don't think it takes that much time to look into those sorts of things.

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  • MonoxideMonoxide Registered User, ClubPA regular
    edited August 2009
    again, chicago is complicated. it's a huge city that's changing a lot over short periods of time, not to mention a city that could be perfectly safe on one block but extremely dangerous on the next.

    nothing is really as clearly defined as in other cities. you can't say "the south side is unsafe" or "the north side is fine" because that's not true. there are a lot of really fantastic neighborhoods in the south, and some really crummy ones on the north.

    chicago has no less than 77 neighborhoods, and for someone moving to the city for the first time, it's not really an easy thing to get a handle on.

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  • ANTVGM64ANTVGM64 Registered User regular
    edited August 2009
    Monoxide wrote: »
    I'm curious what neighborhood you're in. Since you said homeless mental hospital, I'm assuming you're in Uptown.

    in which case, dude, get the fuck out of uptown

    also please be careful if you're anywhere near Sheridan and Leland

    Just kind of between the two.

    Arglye!


    I talked to the lawyer, and he said the only thing he could really help me with was getting out of my lease and possibly my mailbox key.

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  • MonoxideMonoxide Registered User, ClubPA regular
    edited August 2009
    get out of the lease, man

    unless you've got a really good reason to be in Uptown, it's not a neighborhood I'd want to stay in. especially in the conditions at your apartment complex. you'll be fighting your landlord and your alderwoman for decent living conditions, and I don't think either one are going to provide them.

    if you were talked into the neighborhood due to affordability, there's plenty of comparable neighborhoods. check out Logan Square, Wicker Park, Ukranian Village, Bucktown and West Town on the west side, and Rogers Park or Edgewater on the north. Logan Square and Ukranian Village you need to be careful not to get too close to Humboldt Park or Hermosa, but sticking near the boulevard in Logan or closer to Ashland in Uke Village are fine. Wicker Park is a little pricier, but that's because it's the new hipster haven of the city.

    if you don't care whether or not you're near the red or blue lines (which are the only ones that run 24/7), Lincoln Square and Roscoe Village should run along the same prices as well. the brown line services those neighborhoods, but it closes early.

    I mention these because these are the areas I've been looking at as well, and was almost talked into a gorgeous place in Uptown on Broadway and Lawrence. but, well, I know the area and I didn't want to get involved in that.

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