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I don't understand why anyone with an automatic produced in the last few decades would ever carry for the purpose of self-defense without a round in the chamber.
Because safeties fail, and shooting yourself with a gun you brought to protect yourself from being shot is pretty stupid.
A negligent discharge with responsible use (and I admit, allowing myself to fall asleep with a loaded weapon on my waist in a crowded car isn't responsible use... probably the worst thing I've ever done wrt gun safety, and even then the chances of anything happening were stupendously small) is... eh.
I guess there's a chance of everything. We are talking about mind blowingly small percentages, here, though.
Well, the chances aren't that small, and you got to prepare for the worst. You only need to slip up once, so better safe than sorry etc.
Much of the same reason why you always treat a gun like it's loaded, no matter if you just took out the bullets or just unchambered the last round.
The chances really are that small, in my opinion.
I take that (again, very tiny) chance because I like the presence of mind of having a loaded firearm. Not having a chambered round diminishes that presence of mind.
I'm not trivializing the importance of gun safety. Just... with modern firearms, the redundancy is pretty total. I'd be marginally safer by carrying without one chambered, but I'd be more than marginally impaired if it came to the point where I'd ever have to fire my weapon in defense.
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Now, of course, the likelihood of me ever having to fire my weapon in defense is just as absurdly low as the likelihood of me misfiring my weapon while it's holstered and safetied. This is all elementary. No sore feelings or anything, Squirms. Nobody here seems to be angry or interested into turning this into a a gun thread. We're just talking about safety and stuff.
If it'd make you feel better though I'll change the subject. Sorry dude.
This last part isn't talking about me, is it? I don't mind this subject. It's just for me, the chances of needing a gun for self-defence are so stupidly low that carrying a gun is way more dangerous, and pretty much the whole idea of having guns for self-defence purposes is pretty alien around here. Only thing that comes close is Svalbard where everyone who's going more than a mile outside the city is almost required to have a rifle.
it seems very gauche in the main to talk about a thing for killing people with
To be fair, in Norway you're not allowed a gun if all you're going to do with it is kill people. You gotta have a hunting license, or collectors license and a membership of a gun club, and do it for sport. So it's not really the same. Very few people get shot here.
Very few people who legally own guns shoot people here.
but he's right, it's a fundamentally different thing
norwegians aren't taking out hunting licenses on desert eagles, and I think their carry laws are more restrictive
that's the problem with blanket statistics like "Norway has more guns per capita" and oh god someone go start a gun thread for this shit
Our carry laws are way more restrictive. There aren't any. Only way you're allowed to carry one in a city is locked in a secure carrier and with the receiver carried seperately, except for svalbard. But "we have tons of guns and we don't shoot each other!" Isn't what I'm trying to say. It's just that it surprised me that we had that much guns. It's just that 90% are hunting rifles and shotguns.
I don't understand why anyone with an automatic produced in the last few decades would ever carry for the purpose of self-defense without a round in the chamber.
Because safeties fail, and shooting yourself with a gun you brought to protect yourself from being shot is pretty stupid.
A negligent discharge with responsible use (and I admit, allowing myself to fall asleep with a loaded weapon on my waist in a crowded car isn't responsible use... probably the worst thing I've ever done wrt gun safety, and even then the chances of anything happening were stupendously small) is... eh.
I guess there's a chance of everything. We are talking about mind blowingly small percentages, here, though.
Well, the chances aren't that small, and you got to prepare for the worst. You only need to slip up once, so better safe than sorry etc.
Much of the same reason why you always treat a gun like it's loaded, no matter if you just took out the bullets or just unchambered the last round.
The chances really are that small, in my opinion.
I take that (again, very tiny) chance because I like the presence of mind of having a loaded firearm. Not having a chambered round diminishes that presence of mind.
I'm not trivializing the importance of gun safety. Just... with modern firearms, the redundancy is pretty total. I'd be marginally safer by carrying without one chambered, but I'd be more than marginally impaired if it came to the point where I'd ever have to fire my weapon in defense.
...
Now, of course, the likelihood of me ever having to fire my weapon in defense is just as absurdly low as the likelihood of me misfiring my weapon while it's holstered and safetied. This is all elementary. No sore feelings or anything, Squirms. Nobody here seems to be angry or interested into turning this into a a gun thread. We're just talking about safety and stuff.
If it'd make you feel better though I'll change the subject. Sorry dude.
This last part isn't talking about me, is it? I don't mind this subject. It's just for me, the chances of needing a gun for self-defence are so stupidly low that carrying a gun is way more dangerous, and pretty much the whole idea of having guns for self-defence purposes is pretty alien around here. Only thing that comes close is Svalbard where everyone who's going more than a mile outside the city is almost required to have a rifle.
No, I was talking about Squirms. He seemed to want to avoid the subject.
I'll just lastly respond to Sarksus because I think he misunderstood my post: no, I see what you're saying. Both are incredibly low. I like the option, though. When it comes down to it, if I negligently discharge my firearm, that's my fault. It's in my control. If I am killed one day, and I didn't have a gun... that situation was slightly less in my control. I deprived myself of an option. I'd say for the average person I maybe don't see the point.
I guess yeah go go vanity and stuff... but I trust myself more than the average gun owner. When someone tells me I am 19x more likely to have my gun turned against me than actually fire it effectively (or whatever the stat is), I pretty much scoff because- I don't see myself as another X in a typical case study. I guess everyone sees themselves as the exception to the rule, but that's how I feel. Given my awareness, I think my odds are better with than without. *shrug*
it seems very gauche in the main to talk about a thing for killing people with
To be fair, in Norway you're not allowed a gun if all you're going to do with it is kill people. You gotta have a hunting license, or collectors license and a membership of a gun club, and do it for sport. So it's not really the same. Very few people get shot here.
Very few people who legally own guns shoot people here.
but he's right, it's a fundamentally different thing
norwegians aren't taking out hunting licenses on desert eagles, and I think their carry laws are more restrictive
that's the problem with blanket statistics like "Norway has more guns per capita" and oh god someone go start a gun thread for this shit
Our carry laws are way more restrictive. There aren't any. Only way you're allowed to carry one in a city is locked in a secure carrier and with the receiver carried seperately, except for svalbard. But "we have tons of guns and we don't shoot each other!" Isn't what I'm trying to say. It's just that it surprised me that we had that much guns. It's just that 90% are hunting rifles and shotguns.
No, I get that. I also didn't realize you were Norwegian at first.
The problem is that in the US a lot of crazies will go "Look man we don't need all these gun laws! Norway has an even higher gun ownership level and a lower murder rate! More guns = less crime! Everyone should be armed to the teeth!"
and basically ignore the illegality of walking around armed in norway, the substantial differences in the types of guns owned and licensing schemes, etc
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BobCescaIs a girlBirmingham, UKRegistered Userregular
so like your average piece of crap keyboard is a set of electrically conductive rubber domes with some plastic keys sitting on top, sometimes directly, sometimes with a plunger or something to push down the dome
it's mushy as shit and the only feedback you get is when your finger causes the key to physically slam into the bottom of the tray. that slamming action is a major source of trauma on your fingers and wrist tendons
most keyboards made since the late 90s are rubber dome jobs because they're cheap to shit out of chinese factories with appalling working conditions
real keyboards use mechanical spring mechanisms that give you precise feedback when the key is electrically depressed and increase resistance past that point, so you can easily avoid bottoming out in the tray, can type faster (less wasted effort/motion and far quicker bounce back), and wrest your hands on them properly without accidently activating anything
they also tend to be made in places like Lexington, Kentucky
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I watched a drag queen show, danced with some people, and had a good good time!!!!!
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I joined LGBT, and I just spent 5 hours at the gay bar.
I watched a drag queen show, danced with some people, and had a good good time!!!!!
I need to learn that when people are offering you fun things in tiny glasses, I really should consider saying no at one point, preferably before I vomit
huh if you figure over the last 10 years (roughly from when I started in comp sci) I've probably averaged 2 hours of solid typing a day (and that's probably low, most days tend towards a lot more of that, balancing out the days I type nothing at all), I've logged nearly a solid year of typing
I think it's why I've gotten steadily more particular about what I type on
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SarksusATTACK AND DETHRONE GODRegistered Userregular
edited August 2009
Yeah, I'm pretty sure I know what Senjutsu is talking about.
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I joined LGBT, and I just spent 5 hours at the gay bar.
I watched a drag queen show, danced with some people, and had a good good time!!!!!
I need to learn that when people are offering you fun things in tiny glasses, I really should consider saying no at one point, preferably before I vomit
WERE YOU ON MY BUS
WERE YOU THE ONE PUKING
THAT MADE THE OTHER GUY PUKE TOO
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This last part isn't talking about me, is it? I don't mind this subject. It's just for me, the chances of needing a gun for self-defence are so stupidly low that carrying a gun is way more dangerous, and pretty much the whole idea of having guns for self-defence purposes is pretty alien around here. Only thing that comes close is Svalbard where everyone who's going more than a mile outside the city is almost required to have a rifle.
*grabs dick*
is that ok?
for a little while
if you hate your wrists
seriously, rubber dome keyboards, which is basically like every keyboard under $50, are terrible for you
Our carry laws are way more restrictive. There aren't any. Only way you're allowed to carry one in a city is locked in a secure carrier and with the receiver carried seperately, except for svalbard. But "we have tons of guns and we don't shoot each other!" Isn't what I'm trying to say. It's just that it surprised me that we had that much guns. It's just that 90% are hunting rifles and shotguns.
Yes, with polar bears.
What are you people talking about? There is no anger here! We're having a civil discussion!
No, I was talking about Squirms. He seemed to want to avoid the subject.
I'll just lastly respond to Sarksus because I think he misunderstood my post: no, I see what you're saying. Both are incredibly low. I like the option, though. When it comes down to it, if I negligently discharge my firearm, that's my fault. It's in my control. If I am killed one day, and I didn't have a gun... that situation was slightly less in my control. I deprived myself of an option. I'd say for the average person I maybe don't see the point.
I guess yeah go go vanity and stuff... but I trust myself more than the average gun owner. When someone tells me I am 19x more likely to have my gun turned against me than actually fire it effectively (or whatever the stat is), I pretty much scoff because- I don't see myself as another X in a typical case study. I guess everyone sees themselves as the exception to the rule, but that's how I feel. Given my awareness, I think my odds are better with than without. *shrug*
Ok Squirms I'm really done this time!
mine or yours?
the "no true scotch man" fallacy.
the "no true scotch man" fallacy.
No, I get that. I also didn't realize you were Norwegian at first.
The problem is that in the US a lot of crazies will go "Look man we don't need all these gun laws! Norway has an even higher gun ownership level and a lower murder rate! More guns = less crime! Everyone should be armed to the teeth!"
and basically ignore the illegality of walking around armed in norway, the substantial differences in the types of guns owned and licensing schemes, etc
Squirm's latest blog post. It's very funny.
Well, I'm carrying a sub-compact. I feel like we'd have more fun with yours. :P
(really though I carry a pretty bastardized 9mm triple-safetied Glock... I have a DA Beretta but I don't carry)
But... you told me we could look at each other's 'weapons'!
THIS WAS ONLY 7 HOURS AGO
I STILL HAVE THE TEXT
It was a real live vomit chain reaction.
I am both amazed and horrified.
so like your average piece of crap keyboard is a set of electrically conductive rubber domes with some plastic keys sitting on top, sometimes directly, sometimes with a plunger or something to push down the dome
it's mushy as shit and the only feedback you get is when your finger causes the key to physically slam into the bottom of the tray. that slamming action is a major source of trauma on your fingers and wrist tendons
most keyboards made since the late 90s are rubber dome jobs because they're cheap to shit out of chinese factories with appalling working conditions
real keyboards use mechanical spring mechanisms that give you precise feedback when the key is electrically depressed and increase resistance past that point, so you can easily avoid bottoming out in the tray, can type faster (less wasted effort/motion and far quicker bounce back), and wrest your hands on them properly without accidently activating anything
they also tend to be made in places like Lexington, Kentucky
How much can I expect to pay for a no-frills 'good keyboard'?
My wrists are pretty strong. I exercise them twice a day.
I joined LGBT, and I just spent 5 hours at the gay bar.
I watched a drag queen show, danced with some people, and had a good good time!!!!!
wow it looks like a fucking relic. mine is black.
the feel and sound is completely different. it's a bit like a typewriter
and $70 or so?
yessssssssssssssssssss
I think it's why I've gotten steadily more particular about what I type on
This?
I have like two or three of these things.
joke option: does this mean I'm gay?!
WERE YOU ON MY BUS
WERE YOU THE ONE PUKING
THAT MADE THE OTHER GUY PUKE TOO
Well that's more than I expected.