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  • SarksusSarksus ATTACK AND DETHRONE GODRegistered User regular
    edited August 2009
    Yeah but my point was used to demonstrate the oddity of carrying a gun for self-defense in the first place.

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  • DasUberEdwardDasUberEdward Registered User regular
    edited August 2009
    In this instance we're both right.

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  • AbdyAbdy Registered User regular
    edited August 2009
    Organichu wrote: »
    Abdhyius wrote: »
    Organichu wrote: »
    Abdhyius wrote: »
    Organichu wrote: »
    I don't understand why anyone with an automatic produced in the last few decades would ever carry for the purpose of self-defense without a round in the chamber.

    Because safeties fail, and shooting yourself with a gun you brought to protect yourself from being shot is pretty stupid.

    A negligent discharge with responsible use (and I admit, allowing myself to fall asleep with a loaded weapon on my waist in a crowded car isn't responsible use... probably the worst thing I've ever done wrt gun safety, and even then the chances of anything happening were stupendously small) is... eh.

    I guess there's a chance of everything. We are talking about mind blowingly small percentages, here, though.

    Well, the chances aren't that small, and you got to prepare for the worst. You only need to slip up once, so better safe than sorry etc.

    Much of the same reason why you always treat a gun like it's loaded, no matter if you just took out the bullets or just unchambered the last round.

    The chances really are that small, in my opinion.

    I take that (again, very tiny) chance because I like the presence of mind of having a loaded firearm. Not having a chambered round diminishes that presence of mind.

    I'm not trivializing the importance of gun safety. Just... with modern firearms, the redundancy is pretty total. I'd be marginally safer by carrying without one chambered, but I'd be more than marginally impaired if it came to the point where I'd ever have to fire my weapon in defense.

    ...

    Now, of course, the likelihood of me ever having to fire my weapon in defense is just as absurdly low as the likelihood of me misfiring my weapon while it's holstered and safetied. This is all elementary. No sore feelings or anything, Squirms. Nobody here seems to be angry or interested into turning this into a a gun thread. We're just talking about safety and stuff.

    If it'd make you feel better though I'll change the subject. Sorry dude.

    This last part isn't talking about me, is it? I don't mind this subject. It's just for me, the chances of needing a gun for self-defence are so stupidly low that carrying a gun is way more dangerous, and pretty much the whole idea of having guns for self-defence purposes is pretty alien around here. Only thing that comes close is Svalbard where everyone who's going more than a mile outside the city is almost required to have a rifle.

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  • ChuChu poops peesRegistered User regular
    edited August 2009
    Feral wrote: »
    What kind of gun do you carry, Chu?

    *grabs dick*

    Chu on
  • GreeperGreeper Registered User regular
    edited August 2009
    am i allowed to have a gun because.

    is that ok?

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  • DasUberEdwardDasUberEdward Registered User regular
    edited August 2009
    Svalbard = S.T.A.L.K.E.R. ?

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  • SarksusSarksus ATTACK AND DETHRONE GODRegistered User regular
    edited August 2009
    Nine dollar keyboards work fine.

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  • BobCescaBobCesca Is a girl Birmingham, UKRegistered User regular
    edited August 2009
    Squirm: comments have been lead, laughs have been laughed, righteous anger has been revealed.

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  • GreeperGreeper Registered User regular
    edited August 2009
    Well, it's a laptop keyboard. So it's by necessity expensive as all hell.

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  • SenjutsuSenjutsu thot enthusiast Registered User regular
    edited August 2009
    Sarksus wrote: »
    Nine dollar keyboards work fine.

    for a little while

    if you hate your wrists

    seriously, rubber dome keyboards, which is basically like every keyboard under $50, are terrible for you

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  • AbdyAbdy Registered User regular
    edited August 2009
    Senjutsu wrote: »
    Abdhyius wrote: »
    Senjutsu wrote: »
    Abdhyius wrote: »
    Who doesn't talk casually about guns?
    The British, for one. I should know - I'm one.

    Canadians too

    it seems very gauche in the main to talk about a thing for killing people with

    To be fair, in Norway you're not allowed a gun if all you're going to do with it is kill people. You gotta have a hunting license, or collectors license and a membership of a gun club, and do it for sport. So it's not really the same. Very few people get shot here.

    Very few people who legally own guns shoot people here.

    but he's right, it's a fundamentally different thing

    norwegians aren't taking out hunting licenses on desert eagles, and I think their carry laws are more restrictive

    that's the problem with blanket statistics like "Norway has more guns per capita" and oh god someone go start a gun thread for this shit

    Our carry laws are way more restrictive. There aren't any. Only way you're allowed to carry one in a city is locked in a secure carrier and with the receiver carried seperately, except for svalbard. But "we have tons of guns and we don't shoot each other!" Isn't what I'm trying to say. It's just that it surprised me that we had that much guns. It's just that 90% are hunting rifles and shotguns.

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  • AbdyAbdy Registered User regular
    edited August 2009
    Svalbard = S.T.A.L.K.E.R. ?

    Yes, with polar bears.

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  • SarksusSarksus ATTACK AND DETHRONE GODRegistered User regular
    edited August 2009
    I don't even know what 'rubber dome' refers to.

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  • AbdyAbdy Registered User regular
    edited August 2009
    BobCesca wrote: »
    Squirm: comments have been lead, laughs have been laughed, righteous anger has been revealed.

    What are you people talking about? There is no anger here! We're having a civil discussion!

    Abdy on
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  • ChuChu poops peesRegistered User regular
    edited August 2009
    Abdhyius wrote: »
    Organichu wrote: »
    Abdhyius wrote: »
    Organichu wrote: »
    Abdhyius wrote: »
    Organichu wrote: »
    I don't understand why anyone with an automatic produced in the last few decades would ever carry for the purpose of self-defense without a round in the chamber.

    Because safeties fail, and shooting yourself with a gun you brought to protect yourself from being shot is pretty stupid.

    A negligent discharge with responsible use (and I admit, allowing myself to fall asleep with a loaded weapon on my waist in a crowded car isn't responsible use... probably the worst thing I've ever done wrt gun safety, and even then the chances of anything happening were stupendously small) is... eh.

    I guess there's a chance of everything. We are talking about mind blowingly small percentages, here, though.

    Well, the chances aren't that small, and you got to prepare for the worst. You only need to slip up once, so better safe than sorry etc.

    Much of the same reason why you always treat a gun like it's loaded, no matter if you just took out the bullets or just unchambered the last round.

    The chances really are that small, in my opinion.

    I take that (again, very tiny) chance because I like the presence of mind of having a loaded firearm. Not having a chambered round diminishes that presence of mind.

    I'm not trivializing the importance of gun safety. Just... with modern firearms, the redundancy is pretty total. I'd be marginally safer by carrying without one chambered, but I'd be more than marginally impaired if it came to the point where I'd ever have to fire my weapon in defense.

    ...

    Now, of course, the likelihood of me ever having to fire my weapon in defense is just as absurdly low as the likelihood of me misfiring my weapon while it's holstered and safetied. This is all elementary. No sore feelings or anything, Squirms. Nobody here seems to be angry or interested into turning this into a a gun thread. We're just talking about safety and stuff.

    If it'd make you feel better though I'll change the subject. Sorry dude.

    This last part isn't talking about me, is it? I don't mind this subject. It's just for me, the chances of needing a gun for self-defence are so stupidly low that carrying a gun is way more dangerous, and pretty much the whole idea of having guns for self-defence purposes is pretty alien around here. Only thing that comes close is Svalbard where everyone who's going more than a mile outside the city is almost required to have a rifle.

    No, I was talking about Squirms. He seemed to want to avoid the subject.

    I'll just lastly respond to Sarksus because I think he misunderstood my post: no, I see what you're saying. Both are incredibly low. I like the option, though. When it comes down to it, if I negligently discharge my firearm, that's my fault. It's in my control. If I am killed one day, and I didn't have a gun... that situation was slightly less in my control. I deprived myself of an option. I'd say for the average person I maybe don't see the point.

    I guess yeah go go vanity and stuff... but I trust myself more than the average gun owner. When someone tells me I am 19x more likely to have my gun turned against me than actually fire it effectively (or whatever the stat is), I pretty much scoff because- I don't see myself as another X in a typical case study. I guess everyone sees themselves as the exception to the rule, but that's how I feel. Given my awareness, I think my odds are better with than without. *shrug*

    Ok Squirms I'm really done this time!

    Chu on
  • AbdyAbdy Registered User regular
    edited August 2009
    I'm so chilled you can store dairy products in me for a month.

    Abdy on
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  • FeralFeral MEMETICHARIZARD interior crocodile alligator ⇔ ǝɹʇɐǝɥʇ ǝᴉʌoɯ ʇǝloɹʌǝɥɔ ɐ ǝʌᴉɹp ᴉRegistered User regular
    edited August 2009
    Organichu wrote: »
    Feral wrote: »
    What kind of gun do you carry, Chu?

    *grabs dick*

    mine or yours?

    Feral on
    every person who doesn't like an acquired taste always seems to think everyone who likes it is faking it. it should be an official fallacy.

    the "no true scotch man" fallacy.
  • FeralFeral MEMETICHARIZARD interior crocodile alligator ⇔ ǝɹʇɐǝɥʇ ǝᴉʌoɯ ʇǝloɹʌǝɥɔ ɐ ǝʌᴉɹp ᴉRegistered User regular
    edited August 2009
    Abdhyius wrote: »
    Svalbard = S.T.A.L.K.E.R. ?

    Yes, with panzerbjorne.

    Feral on
    every person who doesn't like an acquired taste always seems to think everyone who likes it is faking it. it should be an official fallacy.

    the "no true scotch man" fallacy.
  • SenjutsuSenjutsu thot enthusiast Registered User regular
    edited August 2009
    Abdhyius wrote: »
    Senjutsu wrote: »
    Abdhyius wrote: »
    Senjutsu wrote: »
    Abdhyius wrote: »
    Who doesn't talk casually about guns?
    The British, for one. I should know - I'm one.

    Canadians too

    it seems very gauche in the main to talk about a thing for killing people with

    To be fair, in Norway you're not allowed a gun if all you're going to do with it is kill people. You gotta have a hunting license, or collectors license and a membership of a gun club, and do it for sport. So it's not really the same. Very few people get shot here.

    Very few people who legally own guns shoot people here.

    but he's right, it's a fundamentally different thing

    norwegians aren't taking out hunting licenses on desert eagles, and I think their carry laws are more restrictive

    that's the problem with blanket statistics like "Norway has more guns per capita" and oh god someone go start a gun thread for this shit

    Our carry laws are way more restrictive. There aren't any. Only way you're allowed to carry one in a city is locked in a secure carrier and with the receiver carried seperately, except for svalbard. But "we have tons of guns and we don't shoot each other!" Isn't what I'm trying to say. It's just that it surprised me that we had that much guns. It's just that 90% are hunting rifles and shotguns.

    No, I get that. I also didn't realize you were Norwegian at first.

    The problem is that in the US a lot of crazies will go "Look man we don't need all these gun laws! Norway has an even higher gun ownership level and a lower murder rate! More guns = less crime! Everyone should be armed to the teeth!"

    and basically ignore the illegality of walking around armed in norway, the substantial differences in the types of guns owned and licensing schemes, etc

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  • BobCescaBobCesca Is a girl Birmingham, UKRegistered User regular
    edited August 2009
    Abdhyius wrote: »
    BobCesca wrote: »
    Squirm: comments have been lead, laughs have been laughed, righteous anger has been revealed.

    What are you people talking about? There is no anger here! We're having a civil discussion!

    Squirm's latest blog post. It's very funny.

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  • VariableVariable Mouth Congress Stroke Me Lady FameRegistered User regular
    edited August 2009
    I don't even like looking at guns.

    Variable on
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  • ChuChu poops peesRegistered User regular
    edited August 2009
    Feral wrote: »
    Organichu wrote: »
    Feral wrote: »
    What kind of gun do you carry, Chu?

    *grabs dick*

    mine or yours?

    Well, I'm carrying a sub-compact. I feel like we'd have more fun with yours. :P

    (really though I carry a pretty bastardized 9mm triple-safetied Glock... I have a DA Beretta but I don't carry)

    Chu on
  • SarksusSarksus ATTACK AND DETHRONE GODRegistered User regular
    edited August 2009
    Wow, that hostage thread is shit.

    Sarksus on
  • VariableVariable Mouth Congress Stroke Me Lady FameRegistered User regular
    edited August 2009
    goodnight everyone.

    Variable on
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  • ChuChu poops peesRegistered User regular
    edited August 2009
    Variable wrote: »
    I don't even like looking at guns.

    But... you told me we could look at each other's 'weapons'!

    THIS WAS ONLY 7 HOURS AGO

    I STILL HAVE THE TEXT

    Chu on
  • Fuzzy Cumulonimbus CloudFuzzy Cumulonimbus Cloud Registered User regular
    edited August 2009
    I watched two people on my bus projectile vomit.
    It was a real live vomit chain reaction.
    I am both amazed and horrified.

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  • SenjutsuSenjutsu thot enthusiast Registered User regular
    edited August 2009
    Sarksus wrote: »
    I don't even know what 'rubber dome' refers to.

    so like your average piece of crap keyboard is a set of electrically conductive rubber domes with some plastic keys sitting on top, sometimes directly, sometimes with a plunger or something to push down the dome

    HHKB-Lite-inside-1.jpg

    it's mushy as shit and the only feedback you get is when your finger causes the key to physically slam into the bottom of the tray. that slamming action is a major source of trauma on your fingers and wrist tendons

    most keyboards made since the late 90s are rubber dome jobs because they're cheap to shit out of chinese factories with appalling working conditions

    real keyboards use mechanical spring mechanisms that give you precise feedback when the key is electrically depressed and increase resistance past that point, so you can easily avoid bottoming out in the tray, can type faster (less wasted effort/motion and far quicker bounce back), and wrest your hands on them properly without accidently activating anything

    they also tend to be made in places like Lexington, Kentucky

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  • ChuChu poops peesRegistered User regular
    edited August 2009
    Senj how will I know the difference?

    How much can I expect to pay for a no-frills 'good keyboard'?

    Chu on
  • Casual EddyCasual Eddy The Astral PlaneRegistered User regular
    edited August 2009
    too drunk

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  • SarksusSarksus ATTACK AND DETHRONE GODRegistered User regular
    edited August 2009
    Ohhh, you were referring to the caps underneath the keys. I thought you meant something on the surface of the board.

    My wrists are pretty strong. I exercise them twice a day.

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  • Fuzzy Cumulonimbus CloudFuzzy Cumulonimbus Cloud Registered User regular
    edited August 2009
    too drunk
    EDDDDDDDDDDDY
    I joined LGBT, and I just spent 5 hours at the gay bar.
    I watched a drag queen show, danced with some people, and had a good good time!!!!!

    Fuzzy Cumulonimbus Cloud on
  • DasUberEdwardDasUberEdward Registered User regular
    edited August 2009
    I've loved the microsoft office keyboard for countless years
    keybaordfull.jpg

    wow it looks like a fucking relic. mine is black.

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  • SenjutsuSenjutsu thot enthusiast Registered User regular
    edited August 2009
    Organichu wrote: »
    Senj how will I know the difference?

    How much can I expect to pay for a no-frills 'good keyboard'?

    the feel and sound is completely different. it's a bit like a typewriter

    and $70 or so?

    Senjutsu on
  • Casual EddyCasual Eddy The Astral PlaneRegistered User regular
    edited August 2009
    too drunk
    EDDDDDDDDDDDY
    I joined LGBT, and I just spent 5 hours at the gay bar.
    I watched a drag queen show, danced with some people, and had a good good time!!!!!

    yessssssssssssssssssss

    Casual Eddy on
  • AbdyAbdy Registered User regular
    edited August 2009
    I need to learn that when people are offering you fun things in tiny glasses, I really should consider saying no at one point, preferably before I vomit

    Abdy on
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  • SenjutsuSenjutsu thot enthusiast Registered User regular
    edited August 2009
    huh if you figure over the last 10 years (roughly from when I started in comp sci) I've probably averaged 2 hours of solid typing a day (and that's probably low, most days tend towards a lot more of that, balancing out the days I type nothing at all), I've logged nearly a solid year of typing

    I think it's why I've gotten steadily more particular about what I type on

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  • SarksusSarksus ATTACK AND DETHRONE GODRegistered User regular
    edited August 2009
    Yeah, I'm pretty sure I know what Senjutsu is talking about.

    img0119w.jpg

    This?

    I have like two or three of these things.

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  • Fuzzy Cumulonimbus CloudFuzzy Cumulonimbus Cloud Registered User regular
    edited August 2009
    too drunk
    EDDDDDDDDDDDY
    I joined LGBT, and I just spent 5 hours at the gay bar.
    I watched a drag queen show, danced with some people, and had a good good time!!!!!

    yessssssssssssssssssss

    joke option: does this mean I'm gay?!

    Fuzzy Cumulonimbus Cloud on
  • Fuzzy Cumulonimbus CloudFuzzy Cumulonimbus Cloud Registered User regular
    edited August 2009
    Abdhyius wrote: »
    I need to learn that when people are offering you fun things in tiny glasses, I really should consider saying no at one point, preferably before I vomit

    WERE YOU ON MY BUS
    WERE YOU THE ONE PUKING
    THAT MADE THE OTHER GUY PUKE TOO

    Fuzzy Cumulonimbus Cloud on
  • ChuChu poops peesRegistered User regular
    edited August 2009
    Senjutsu wrote: »
    Organichu wrote: »
    Senj how will I know the difference?

    How much can I expect to pay for a no-frills 'good keyboard'?

    the feel and sound is completely different. it's a bit like a typewriter

    and $70 or so?

    Well that's more than I expected.

    Chu on
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