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Knee Problems

ThanatosThanatos Registered User regular
edited February 2012 in Help / Advice Forum
So, I've been having knee pain off and on for a few months, now. I've been applying the tried-and-true man-cure of "ignore it and hope it goes away." It gets pretty bad at times, but never worse than a 4 or so on a ten-point scale. It primarily hurts when I'm putting pressure on it while it is bent, particularly when going downstairs, or any sort of squat-type movement. It is a pain directly on the knee, though there is what feels like some muscle soreness around it. It is my right knee, and only my right knee; no problems with the left knee.

So, I've got two questions: 1) anyone have any idea what this could be? The closest description I've got to what I'm experiencing off of, like, WebMD is patellofemoral pain syndrome, but that's mostly a thing that happens to athletes, it seems like, whereas I'm just a moderately-active fat guy. 2) What is the best way to find a doctor for something like this? I've been using my insurance company's website to find in-network doctors, and I was going to use the top doctors on Yelp to compare and find the best nearby one, but the first twenty "medical professionals" ranked in my area are half a dozen dentists, an eye doctor, and 13 chiropractors/acupuncturists/naturopaths/bullshit artists, which doesn't exactly cause my confidence in that site to skyrocket.

Other potentially relevant facts: I just turned 30, I'm a pretty fat guy (5'10", 280 pounds), and I walk a lot, and hit the gym fairly frequently (usually 3-4 days a week), and do a mix of weightlifting and cardio; I was running on treadmills for awhile, but stopped when the knee pain started, and I also stopped doing squats shortly after the knee pain started.

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    FantasmaFantasma Registered User regular
    edited February 2012
    Hello,

    The only way to find out what the problem is it is by consulting with an Orthopedist (An orthopaedic surgeon), he would need to order x-ray, this will be the first step to determine if more studies are needed.

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    bowenbowen How you doin'? Registered User regular
    I had a lot of knee pain because of my weight, losing it made the pain pretty much disappear unless it rains or snows. I really don't remember your current weight situation but it might be worth considering if you're pushing the obese bracket like I was.

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    ThanatosThanatos Registered User regular
    bowen wrote: »
    I had a lot of knee pain because of my weight, losing it made the pain pretty much disappear unless it rains or snows. I really don't remember your current weight situation but it might be worth considering if you're pushing the obese bracket like I was.
    Yeah, I have no doubt that that is a significant part of it.

    However, it's only one knee (I probably should have mentioned that), and it makes it hard to exercise.

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    DjeetDjeet Registered User regular
    I've only really found good doctors via word of mouth (e.g. asking friends, family, co-workers, or having my wife ask her OB-GYN, who's really good).

    As to where it may have come from, unless you're prone to arthritis it's probably from injury/overuse. I recall you being in a bike thread recently, mayhap you are not properly sized? I'd probably take it easier and adjust the seat post so your leg doesn't fully extend on the downstroke as you may be hyperextending. Also, cannot recall if you lift heavy, perhaps your form is breaking down on squats; I get a little twinge in my knee during squats at times, on the interior side, and it reminds me to keep everything flexed/tight.

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    XArchangelXXArchangelX Registered User regular
    First of all, there are quite a few different things that could cause this sort of pain. Could just be you strained the ligaments/muscle recently, could be early arthritis which can start in the early thirties, could just be you're a little obese or don't have good posture. I had mix of that last bit and I started using a HIIT exercise program and controlling my diet for awhile fixed my problem, but chronic pain takes time to get better.

    I would start by finding a general practitioner Dr through your insurance. Look at the ones near you, and I look for older ones that have been around long enough to have seen some shit. They can recommend a specialist if it's warranted.

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    ThanatosThanatos Registered User regular
    Djeet wrote: »
    I've only really found good doctors via word of mouth (e.g. asking friends, family, co-workers, or having my wife ask her OB-GYN, who's really good).

    As to where it may have come from, unless you're prone to arthritis it's probably from injury/overuse. I recall you being in a bike thread recently, mayhap you are not properly sized? I'd probably take it easier and adjust the seat post so your leg doesn't fully extend on the downstroke as you may be hyperextending. Also, cannot recall if you lift heavy, perhaps your form is breaking down on squats; I get a little twinge in my knee during squats at times, on the interior side, and it reminds me to keep everything flexed/tight.
    I haven't actually started riding a bike yet (my uncle just dropped it off at my place on Saturday, haven't gotten it looked at or anything yet). And I stopped squatting shortly after the pain started.

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    FantasmaFantasma Registered User regular
    In order to find out what exactly is causing this, you should try to consult with an Orthopedist, an orthopaedic surgeon. Normally, an X-Ray would be the first step to rule out or order more studies.

    A couple of things come to mind:
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tear_of_meniscus

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Knee_arthritis

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    sacreandprofanesacreandprofane Registered User regular
    edited February 2012
    is your knee pain focused directly behind the kneecap?

    and if you take two aleve arthritis pills, do you still feel the pain in the middle of the day, doing the same sort of activities when you would otherwise feel it without the pain reliever?

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    bowenbowen How you doin'? Registered User regular
    Thanatos wrote: »
    bowen wrote: »
    I had a lot of knee pain because of my weight, losing it made the pain pretty much disappear unless it rains or snows. I really don't remember your current weight situation but it might be worth considering if you're pushing the obese bracket like I was.
    Yeah, I have no doubt that that is a significant part of it.

    However, it's only one knee (I probably should have mentioned that), and it makes it hard to exercise.

    Yeah same here, it's on my right leg, though I'm not sure which one is my dominant leg. The other knee is like whatever lightweight.

    Knee braces help though when walking and biking, I couldn't do many leg things like presses until I lost weight just because of the pain.

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    Magic PinkMagic Pink Tur-Boner-Fed Registered User regular
    I had pretty much the same thing for years until I started taking glucosamine tablets. Now the pain is completely gone. It takes a while to kick in tho, like a month, unless you start with the liquid version of them.

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    DjeetDjeet Registered User regular
    I don't think you'll get a conclusive answer unless you seek professional help. It could be something as simple as bursitis from injury/overuse. In which case you just take it easy and are hyper-aware when exercising. Or it could be ligament/cartilage damage (usually from injury or over/improper usage). Like the back, I'd err to over-caution.

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    TheKoolEagleTheKoolEagle Registered User regular
    I have a very similar problem with my left knee, I injured it when I was in highschool a decade ago and if I try to do anything intensive with it like squats my knee basically hurts so much I need to stop and rest it. I had gone to an orthopedic doctor and got scans done but they couldn't find anything wrong with it. I've just stayed away from activities involving lots of pressure on my knee but it sounds like you might have it worse if it hurts from just going up and down stairs.

    If you are trying to exercise though just try to stay away from bending intensive exercise, it has worked pretty well for me, my knee only really bothers me if I am trying to do squats or go from runs now.

    long story short my advice is don't spend too much money on doctors looking for a problem, chances are it may cost you thousands of dollars to figure it out. again this is my personal experience so initially seeing a doctor might be good just in case they may find an actual problem with your knee. If you get scanned and they don't see anything, just move on and try not to agitate it too much

    The other thing is try doing easy exercises on your knee, like if you have some rubber tubing work your knee by bending it with the tube around something secure.

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    MovitzMovitz Registered User regular
    edited March 2012
    I have a very similar problem with my left knee, I injured it when I was in highschool a decade ago and if I try to do anything intensive with it like squats my knee basically hurts so much I need to stop and rest it. I had gone to an orthopedic doctor and got scans done but they couldn't find anything wrong with it. I've just stayed away from activities involving lots of pressure on my knee but it sounds like you might have it worse if it hurts from just going up and down stairs.

    If you are trying to exercise though just try to stay away from bending intensive exercise, it has worked pretty well for me, my knee only really bothers me if I am trying to do squats or go from runs now.

    long story short my advice is don't spend too much money on doctors looking for a problem, chances are it may cost you thousands of dollars to figure it out. again this is my personal experience so initially seeing a doctor might be good just in case they may find an actual problem with your knee. If you get scanned and they don't see anything, just move on and try not to agitate it too much

    The other thing is try doing easy exercises on your knee, like if you have some rubber tubing work your knee by bending it with the tube around something secure.

    I want to second this. I hurt my knee doing judo back in high school (I think, I fell out of a tree once too so it could be that :) ) and it flares up every now and then for a week or so when I've misbehaved with how I sit at work etc. I'm actually going to an Orthopedist next week, becasue why not. I'll get a few tips at least.

    But what I wanted to say was this: Last summer I started running pretty intensively in a couple of really good custom fit shoes and my knee problem disappeared within a month. It has taken a sedentary last 6 months for it to reappear. So finding a way to build muscle in your knee could help a lot. At least it did for me.

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    ThanatosThanatos Registered User regular
    Went to the doctor today, he said it's most likely just an area of inflammation and irritation behind the kneecap. He recommended that I start taking ibuprofen three times a day, in a prescription dose, and try to avoid doing things that re-irritate it; with the anti-inflammatories, it should hopefully clear up in 4-6 weeks. Also, try to lose some weight, but obviously, already doing that.

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    FantasmaFantasma Registered User regular
    Thanatos wrote: »
    Went to the doctor today, he said it's most likely just an area of inflammation and irritation behind the kneecap. He recommended that I start taking ibuprofen three times a day, in a prescription dose, and try to avoid doing things that re-irritate it; with the anti-inflammatories, it should hopefully clear up in 4-6 weeks. Also, try to lose some weight, but obviously, already doing that.

    So, basically, no studies of any kind, is this doctor a certified one?

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    ThanatosThanatos Registered User regular
    edited March 2012
    Fantasma wrote: »
    Thanatos wrote: »
    Went to the doctor today, he said it's most likely just an area of inflammation and irritation behind the kneecap. He recommended that I start taking ibuprofen three times a day, in a prescription dose, and try to avoid doing things that re-irritate it; with the anti-inflammatories, it should hopefully clear up in 4-6 weeks. Also, try to lose some weight, but obviously, already doing that.
    So, basically, no studies of any kind, is this doctor a certified one?
    He examined me, checked out the knee, twisted it, asked me a lot of questions about what irritated it, etc. Seemed pretty reasonable to me.

    And yes, he's an M.D.

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    SaisSais Registered User regular
    edited March 2012
    If you are overweight and have increased cardio activities recently (particularly something impact heavy, i.e. running & squats), then it may be worth getting someone to do a gait analysis for you; it may be something simple like you are wearing trainers that do not support your running style.

    Having found that I was flat footed and over-pronate, wearing trainers that support my arch and heel properly improved my bio-mechanics and stopped issues that I had with my IT band and knee pain. Much nicer being able to walk upstairs rather than hop after a 10 miler!

    Not sure about the states but in the UK the large chain running shops (Sweatshop etc) will all do gait analysis and recommend the correct footwear for you.

    Just a thought! Good luck, hopefully it gets sorted and you can get going properly.

    Edit - This problem was actually picked up by a friend that runs and confirmed by a physio. Obviously follow your Doctor's advice, but maybe get it checked by someone who is aware of the activity specifics - my Doctor didn't pick up on it.

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    ThanatosThanatos Registered User regular
    edited March 2012
    Sais wrote: »
    If you are overweight and have increased cardio activities recently (particularly something impact heavy, i.e. running & squats), then it may be worth getting someone to do a gait analysis for you; it may be something simple like you are wearing trainers that do not support your running style.

    Having found that I was flat footed and over-pronate, wearing trainers that support my arch and heel properly improved my bio-mechanics and stopped issues that I had with my IT band and knee pain. Much nicer being able to walk upstairs rather than hop after a 10 miler!

    Not sure about the states but in the UK the large chain running shops (Sweatshop etc) will all do gait analysis and recommend the correct footwear for you.

    Just a thought! Good luck, hopefully it gets sorted and you can get going properly.

    Edit - This problem was actually picked up by a friend that runs and confirmed by a physio. Obviously follow your Doctor's advice, but maybe get it checked by someone who is aware of the activity specifics - my Doctor didn't pick up on it.
    Even if it turns out to be a gait problem, there's not really anything I can do about it. There is one kind of sneaker made by one company that fits my foot. I don't really have the option of getting a different one.

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    sacreandprofanesacreandprofane Registered User regular
    Thanatos wrote: »
    Sais wrote: »
    If you are overweight and have increased cardio activities recently (particularly something impact heavy, i.e. running & squats), then it may be worth getting someone to do a gait analysis for you; it may be something simple like you are wearing trainers that do not support your running style.

    Having found that I was flat footed and over-pronate, wearing trainers that support my arch and heel properly improved my bio-mechanics and stopped issues that I had with my IT band and knee pain. Much nicer being able to walk upstairs rather than hop after a 10 miler!

    Not sure about the states but in the UK the large chain running shops (Sweatshop etc) will all do gait analysis and recommend the correct footwear for you.

    Just a thought! Good luck, hopefully it gets sorted and you can get going properly.

    Edit - This problem was actually picked up by a friend that runs and confirmed by a physio. Obviously follow your Doctor's advice, but maybe get it checked by someone who is aware of the activity specifics - my Doctor didn't pick up on it.
    Even if it turns out to be a gait problem, there's not really anything I can do about it. There is one kind of sneaker made by one company that fits my foot. I don't really have the option of getting a different one.

    This is the situation I had. Knee pain behind the knee-cap by the around 2nd-3rd mile of running. Turns out it was my gait and the fact that I had irritated the tissue overdoing it. Ibu helped (and Aleve) to relieve the pain, but in the end I needed to do stretches for 30-48 days to realign my hips properly and tape my foot a little each day. No meds needed. It's not that my hips looked out of alignment at all, but they were slightly off because I tended to put more weight on one leg for certain things. After knowing this and taking care of my leg properly I was free and able to run again, no problem. It was all thanks to the physical therapist. I recommend you also see a physical therapist who can advice a good stretching and tape regimen. Glad you had a doctor check this too, though.

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