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Zen VulgarityZen Vulgarity Ask me about Super Propaneand Super Propane accessoriesRegistered User regular
edited October 2010 in Games and Technology
I thank no one but myself.
bigwah wrote: »
TyrantCow wrote: »
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League of Legends is a DoTA (Defense of the Ancients) style game made by some of the people that worked on DoTA Allstars. It's free to play; but, includes augmentations that you can buy with real money or in-game points.

Get on the G&T vent to play with us (list at bottom), the vent info is stickied at the top of the forum.

There's a ton of info on the game, and I don't want to reinvent the wheel. So, check out:
leagueoflengends.com, the game database provided by Riot (who make the game).
leaguecraft.com, there are a lot of fan sites out there with general information and builds. This is just one; and, it's kinda slow as shit. Regardless of where you look for builds keep in mind, most of them make assumptions that are not clearly conveyed and there are a lot that are just plain bad. Tread lightly.
KillerCodeMonkey's wiki, add your brilliant shit to it.
Game mechanic shit, stuff like how attacks and magic and fuck work.
Rune break-dancing, good info about what runes you should buy.

IMPORTANT THINGS TO NOTE
THE MOTHER FUCKING CODE
The new code was posted about a page back. It's L R L R D D U U 3 4. It works.

IF YOU'RE GOING TO SPEND REAL CASH DOLLA MONIES FOR CHAMPIONS
Zoelef wrote: »
Drop $20 for the Retail Box (Amazon, Best Buy, GameSpot, Newegg, Target, and Wal-Mart typically have this) It gives you $10 in Riot Points, take those, then buy $10 in Riot Points and $5 in Riot Points. Spend all of them on the second champ pack.

That's $35 for 40 champs permanently unlocked; none of the post-40 have ever been in a bundle AFAIK.
Cutfang wrote: »
Q: How can I get champions and save money?
A: You won't have to spend a cent if you simply play games and earn enough IP to buy them all. If, however, you wish to hasten the process you may buy champions with real money. The most cost effective way to buy champions is by purchasing the two bundles on offer.
For $45 you can buy 6380 Riot Points, which are used to buy champions and skins. 3900 of those points gets you the Digital Collector's Pack, which contains 20 champions and includes 1380 Riot Points (huh?). If you were to buy the champions individually it would cost 37800 IP or 9620 RP. The Digital Collector's pack can also be bought in stores or online as a boxed copy, which may save you a significant amount of money.
3410 Riot Points gets you the champions bundle. This contains some more expensive champions. Bought individually they would cost 60750 IP or 14350 RP (ish).
This leaves you with 450 RP, enough to buy yourself a single skin!

BEARCOCK IS TO BE REFERRED TO AS BEARCOCK
or, udyr is bearcock, whatever, bearcock.
The Champions
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Here are a bunch of people that are playing (PM me to get in the list)
Spoiler:

Jacking this from Mooman

Fuck fiddlesticks

You can add yourself in this post so don't fucking PM me anymore
VaLiantine wrote: »
HEY LISTEN!

https://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc?key=0Ap5qFqD3oLKndHNfOGJ1VFNZVVZ6c1NtZVktdXpsTVE&hl=en&authkey=CJPuh4wG#gid=0

I placed everyone's name in the OP to this neat and tidy spreadsheet. You should be able to edit it yourself, find your name and fill the fields. If anyone is getting problems, PM me or AIM me.

Edit - Put this in the OP or I'll have violent intercourse with the most cherished person in your life.

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  • Zen VulgarityZen Vulgarity Ask me about Super Propane and Super Propane accessoriesRegistered User regular
    edited October 2010
    Reserving this here post for my terrible ideas for Fridays

    10/22

    NO AOE ULTIMATES

    No playing characters with AoE ultimates. Sorry nerds and nerdettes, that's the annoying god damn flavor of the season way to play. Hence we won't be doing that.

    So it's time to dust off the ol' champion list and pick up some characters that effect only one person or just yourself.


    10/15
    Spoiler:

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  • DarkewolfeDarkewolfe Registered User regular
    edited October 2010
    Fiddlebuttz represent.

    Brave Frontier for Android and iOS. Final Fantasy-ish graphics/basic gameplay with a Puzzles & Dragons/Rage of Bahamut collection model.
    My referral code is: 81123930, which gets you a thing to level your guys.
  • CorporateLogoCorporateLogo Cream of my compulsions Rising to the tip of the spoutRegistered User regular
    edited October 2010
    Stealing OPs

    Shameful

    No wait, what's the opposite of shameful

    Do not have a cow, mortal.

    3DS: 2251-4432-9039

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  • NerdgasmicNerdgasmic __BANNED USERS regular
    edited October 2010
    Malzahar fo lyfe

    pouring one out for my voidlings that made it past 21 seconds

    @nealcm @faynor
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  • ArikadoArikado Southern CaliforniaRegistered User regular
    edited October 2010
    I'm sad to see Galio get so many mana cost nerfs in the future.

    G & T Constellation Gym Leader - Msg or @ me to challenge or if you add me!
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  • Zen VulgarityZen Vulgarity Ask me about Super Propane and Super Propane accessoriesRegistered User regular
    edited October 2010
    Considering most galios rush chalice, I can't imagine they'll care much

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  • TyrantCowTyrantCow Registered User regular
    edited October 2010
    last night zen was all...

    "golly gosh gee, mooman, i dunno if i can make a thread"

    nice to see our little boner is growing up

  • Kristmas KthulhuKristmas Kthulhu Registered User regular
    edited October 2010
    You know who else is shit-tier? Sion.

  • TyrantCowTyrantCow Registered User regular
    edited October 2010
    SHUT THE FUCK UP

    - also, zen add swan.

  • NerdgasmicNerdgasmic __BANNED USERS regular
    edited October 2010
    what does it mean to be hard to place

    @nealcm @faynor
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  • PacificstarPacificstar Registered User regular
    edited October 2010
    You know who else is shit-tier? Sion.

    I CAN ONLY ASSUME YOU JOKE SIR!

  • NisiNisi Registered User regular
    edited October 2010
    put new code in the op you terrible.

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  • nealcmnealcm Registered User regular
    edited October 2010
    zenny v startin' threads and whatnot

    what is the world coming to

    also i love that fiddles fan art comic thing

    also, why hasn't anybody jam totes sonned on this page

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  • TalithTalith 変態という名の紳士 Miami, FLRegistered User regular
    edited October 2010
    So who are the S tier champs? Something like Nidalee, Ezreal, Morgana, Amumu, Galio?

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  • Mr.SunshineMr.Sunshine Registered User regular
    edited October 2010
    Whoever elementz plays the most at some time in space.

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  • TalithTalith 変態という名の紳士 Miami, FLRegistered User regular
    edited October 2010
    Do we know when the graphical update is supposed to hit and if they are going to change Nidalee's absolutely retarded and massive shoes?

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  • surrealitychecksurrealitycheck you must go on i cant go on ill go onRegistered User regular
    edited October 2010
    Sivir may not be that great, but you probably shouldn't be spreading lies about why she's not great. She has a physical attack that scales at (up to) 320% of attack damage,

    Yes if their team is retarded and lets you autoattack from 425 range away while standing next to each other. The only steroid she has is an attack speed buff. She does crap damage except in ideal situations that, er, never happen.
    and has a built in reactive spell shield,

    Which is cool, but is really marginal when compared to black shield.
    an ult that provides significant movement speed, as well as 25% free dodge (which translates into an almost always active 10% additional move speed) for escapes.

    Her ult is OK, her passive is awful. Most characters completely ignore dodge anyway :/

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  • TracerBulletTracerBullet Registered User regular
    edited October 2010
    http://www.leagueoflegends.com/news/vote-lol-golden-joystick-awards-get-bonus-rune-page

    Vote Leage of Legends for best ONline Game of the Year

    If they win, we all get a free bonus rune page.

    So make them win you beautiful bastards you.

    ((except pac-star, he isn't beautiful))

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  • RyokazeRyokaze Registered User
    edited October 2010
    Sivir may not be that great, but you probably shouldn't be spreading lies about why she's not great. She has a physical attack that scales at (up to) 320% of attack damage,

    Yes if their team is retarded and lets you autoattack from 425 range away while standing next to each other. The only steroid she has is an attack speed buff. She does crap damage except in ideal situations that, er, never happen.
    and has a built in reactive spell shield,

    Which is cool, but is really marginal when compared to black shield.
    an ult that provides significant movement speed, as well as 25% free dodge (which translates into an almost always active 10% additional move speed) for escapes.

    Her ult is OK, her passive is awful. Most characters completely ignore dodge anyway :/


    RE black shield: Black shield is some broken OP bullshit at the moment. That doesn't make Sivir's shield bad, that makes black shield overpowered.

    RE their team is retarded: If you, as a single character, force their entire team to spread out or die, then wouldn't you call that a win?

    RE 425 range: Yeah, it's a challenge, I'm on the fence as to whether or not 550 or better range would make sivir horribly overpowered. Sivir has more defensive stuff than a lot of ranged champions and can survive a direct attack much more readily. Sivir is also one of the very few characters that can put out sustained damage on a tank out front, and in doing so deal significant damage to squishies that are an absurdly long range away.

    RE dodge being bad: Sure, dodge doesn't help against spells. Sivir's dodge is 25%, which means she takes a flat 25% less damage from dudes that auto attack. Other passives might be more broadly applicable, but 25% damage avoidance is extremely useful in specific situations.

    Also, her only steroid is an attack AND movement speed buff (to the whole team) which is significantly more valuable than just attack speed. You can't hit a motherfucker if you can't catch a motherfucker.

  • Magic RadioMagic Radio Registered User
    edited October 2010
    Nerdgasmic wrote: »
    what does it mean to be hard to place

    That Elementz can't roll his face on the keyboard and win with them.

    Frei wrote:
    you get to talk as if you are an internet wizard, forecasting the tides
  • Dac VinDac Vin Reimu Hakurei sat in her shrine because she was on the internet. Registered User regular
    edited October 2010
    My internet actually failed loading this iteration of the LoL thread.

    It is a sign.

    On Sivir: She can push insanely well I must admit. It's just, that's about the only thing she can do well.

    hard to place edit: look guys, if you haven't read my rant about elementz in the last thread, just refrain from posting opinions.

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  • FrosteeyFrosteey 1521-2945-8940Registered User regular
    edited October 2010
    I want to Funday Friday : (

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  • Kristmas KthulhuKristmas Kthulhu Registered User regular
    edited October 2010
    Her ult is OK, her passive is awful. Most characters completely ignore dodge anyway :/

    Speaking of, they should really do something about Masteries. Why would anyone want an extra 3% to crit or 4% to dodge now that those stats have limited (to put it nicely) utility on just about every champion in the game?

  • CutfangCutfang Registered User regular
    edited October 2010
    Playing with my 9 year old brother I discovered a delicious strategy.

    He plays Anivia, lures everyone into his lane into killing him due to general inexperience at the game, I kill everyone that tries as Tryndamere. Que me being disgustingly fed and killing Sunfire cape Garens without endless rage. Don't feel too sorry for my brother though, he turned into a happy egg and even killed a dude!

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  • reVersereVerse Never odd or even Registered User regular
    edited October 2010
    Her ult is OK, her passive is awful. Most characters completely ignore dodge anyway :/

    Speaking of, they should really do something about Masteries. Why would anyone want an extra 3% to crit or 4% to dodge now that those stats have limited (to put it nicely) utility on just about every champion in the game?

    Yeah, wasn't there some really neat looking reworked Masteries that got leaked a long time ago, or were those just fakeries?
    Ryokaze wrote: »
    RE 425 range: Yeah, it's a challenge, I'm on the fence as to whether or not 550 or better range would make sivir horribly overpowered.

    I would exchange Ricochet nerfs for a longer range.

    Also, re dodge: It's not a flat 25% damage reduction against auto-attacks. It's damage avoidance against auto-attacks if you get lucky.

  • PacificstarPacificstar Registered User regular
    edited October 2010
    Ryokaze wrote: »
    Sivir may not be that great, but you probably shouldn't be spreading lies about why she's not great. She has a physical attack that scales at (up to) 320% of attack damage,

    Yes if their team is retarded and lets you autoattack from 425 range away while standing next to each other. The only steroid she has is an attack speed buff. She does crap damage except in ideal situations that, er, never happen.
    and has a built in reactive spell shield,

    Which is cool, but is really marginal when compared to black shield.
    an ult that provides significant movement speed, as well as 25% free dodge (which translates into an almost always active 10% additional move speed) for escapes.

    Her ult is OK, her passive is awful. Most characters completely ignore dodge anyway :/


    RE black shield: Black shield is some broken OP bullshit at the moment. That doesn't make Sivir's shield bad, that makes black shield overpowered.

    RE their team is retarded: If you, as a single character, force their entire team to spread out or die, then wouldn't you call that a win?

    RE 425 range: Yeah, it's a challenge, I'm on the fence as to whether or not 550 or better range would make sivir horribly overpowered. Sivir has more defensive stuff than a lot of ranged champions and can survive a direct attack much more readily. Sivir is also one of the very few characters that can put out sustained damage on a tank out front, and in doing so deal significant damage to squishies that are an absurdly long range away.

    RE dodge being bad: Sure, dodge doesn't help against spells. Sivir's dodge is 25%, which means she takes a flat 25% less damage from dudes that auto attack. Other passives might be more broadly applicable, but 25% damage avoidance is extremely useful in specific situations.

    Also, her only steroid is an attack AND movement speed buff (to the whole team) which is significantly more valuable than just attack speed. You can't hit a motherfucker if you can't catch a motherfucker.

    Regarding your first point about spell shield vs black shield - I agree.

    Regarding your second point about forcing them to spread out, you ignored what actually happens -- everyone converges on you and you die. FAST.

    Dodge is bad, and the thing is the people Sivir is worried about aren't the auto attackers hanging back and plinking, but the melee who rape her as soon as they see her. Even auto attackers use abilities, and hence 25% dodge != 25% damage avoidance. When you have such a small base health pool, even getting hit 3/4 of the time is bad news.

    Finally, the way you talk about her ult is like it's up all the freaking time which is not the case. So making the argument that popping ult and running away is always an option doesn't really fly. Even with the buff to her ult, it's only really helpful when you're chasing (already won the fight), when you're running (already lost the fight), or when your team is full of auto attackers (why are there so many carries on your team?).

  • TyrantCowTyrantCow Registered User regular
    edited October 2010
    Nisi wrote: »
    put new code in the op you terrible.

    wat?

    it is

    i did it, because i'm awesome.

  • EddyEddy pale Gengars I loved beside Cerulean CaveRegistered User regular
    edited October 2010
    Hard to Place = Hard to place on any team because at least one other champ can fill that role better.

    The classic example is Malz. Yeah, he is a good caster, has a nice ult. But in Elementz's opinion Annie, Anivia, Morgana, et. al. fill that role to a more complete degree while possibly providing other benefits.

  • RyokazeRyokaze Registered User
    edited October 2010
    Regarding your second point about forcing them to spread out, you ignored what actually happens -- everyone converges on you and you die. FAST.

    Dodge is bad, and the thing is the people Sivir is worried about aren't the auto attackers hanging back and plinking, but the melee who rape her as soon as they see her. Even auto attackers use abilities, and hence 25% dodge != 25% damage avoidance. When you have such a small base health pool, even getting hit 3/4 of the time is bad news.

    Finally, the way you talk about her ult is like it's up all the freaking time which is not the case. So making the argument that popping ult and running away is always an option doesn't really fly. Even with the buff to her ult, it's only really helpful when you're chasing (already won the fight), when you're running (already lost the fight), or when your team is full of auto attackers (why are there so many carries on your team?).

    If dudes converge on you and you die, then you have a clear path: Buy tank items, run away when the whole team focuses you, watch your team rape their team.

    One thing you have to consider is that other passives do not provide 25% extra durability for anything (except poppy, that's one crazy passive.) 25% is a huge, huge number for a passive, and when the metagame was carry-heavy, it was a great passive. Now nobody plays carries, and it's not so great. That's the metagame shifting, not necessarily the passive being terrible.

    For movement speed: chasing/running always applies unless both teams want the game to just be a slugging match. The dude you're on will try to run. Your annie wants to get into perfect range for a tibbers raping. Your galio needs to be in the right spot for 5x idol. Your squishies will want to get out of range of their carry, etc etc... With a 90 second cooldown, on the hunt should be up for every major encounter, and if it's not up when you're trying to do something dangerous like solo-drop a tower, then... don't try to solo the tower without your cooldowns up?

  • CutfangCutfang Registered User regular
    edited October 2010
    Eddy wrote: »
    Hard to Place = Hard to place on any team because at least one other champ can fill that role better.

    The classic example is Malz. Yeah, he is a good caster, has a nice ult. But in Elementz's opinion Annie, Anivia, Morgana, et. al. fill that role to a more complete degree while possibly providing other benefits.

    Other benefits :winky:

    Round 2 (or 3?) of Riot's Bribe The Playerbase.

    http://www.leagueoflegends.com/news/vote-lol-golden-joystick-awards-get-bonus-rune-page

    The url explains itself. They are good at this. Also, Black Belt Udyr time.

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  • PacificstarPacificstar Registered User regular
    edited October 2010
    Ryokaze wrote: »
    Regarding your second point about forcing them to spread out, you ignored what actually happens -- everyone converges on you and you die. FAST.

    Dodge is bad, and the thing is the people Sivir is worried about aren't the auto attackers hanging back and plinking, but the melee who rape her as soon as they see her. Even auto attackers use abilities, and hence 25% dodge != 25% damage avoidance. When you have such a small base health pool, even getting hit 3/4 of the time is bad news.

    Finally, the way you talk about her ult is like it's up all the freaking time which is not the case. So making the argument that popping ult and running away is always an option doesn't really fly. Even with the buff to her ult, it's only really helpful when you're chasing (already won the fight), when you're running (already lost the fight), or when your team is full of auto attackers (why are there so many carries on your team?).

    If dudes converge on you and you die, then you have a clear path: Buy tank items, run away when the whole team focuses you, watch your team rape their team.

    One thing you have to consider is that other passives do not provide 25% extra durability for anything (except poppy, that's one crazy passive.) 25% is a huge, huge number for a passive, and when the metagame was carry-heavy, it was a great passive. Now nobody plays carries, and it's not so great. That's the metagame shifting, not necessarily the passive being terrible.

    For movement speed: chasing/running always applies unless both teams want the game to just be a slugging match. The dude you're on will try to run. Your annie wants to get into perfect range for a tibbers raping. Your galio needs to be in the right spot for 5x idol. Your squishies will want to get out of range of their carry, etc etc... With a 90 second cooldown, on the hunt should be up for every major encounter, and if it's not up when you're trying to do something dangerous like solo-drop a tower, then... don't try to solo the tower without your cooldowns up?

    I'm getting tired of this conversation, basically you are advocating being aura whore Sivir, which is fine and viable, but really fucking boring. You can believe what you want, but there are champions that fill every role Sivir has in a better way.

  • RyokazeRyokaze Registered User
    edited October 2010
    I'm getting tired of this conversation, basically you are advocating being aura whore Sivir, which is fine and viable, but really fucking boring. You can believe what you want, but there are champions that fill every role Sivir has in a better way.

    What? I never said anything about getting any aura items whatsoever. I said if your problem is getting gangbanged, pick up some protection. Sivir has a unique ability in sustained AE physical damage, that's her strength that should be played to. Her problem right now is that high DPS tanks are the flavor of the week, and sivir has one fuck of a hard time dealing with that.

  • PacificstarPacificstar Registered User regular
    edited October 2010
    I guess you don't see that you can't have it both ways. There is only so much $'s to be made, and it either you're spending it on damage items or you're spending it on armor, not both. And auto attacking without decent damage is pretty ineffectual, and building armor so that you can stand around doing ignorable levels of damage isn't helpful either.

    Similarly, putting out great damage and getting roflstomped the minute you join the team fight is also sub-optimal.

  • RyokazeRyokaze Registered User
    edited October 2010
    So. You're faster than they are, you can block one CC for free, you fire from quite a bit farther away than melee range, and frontline tanks are a viable target for you.

    Why are you getting roflstomped instantly every time a fight starts?

  • Zen VulgarityZen Vulgarity Ask me about Super Propane and Super Propane accessoriesRegistered User regular
    edited October 2010
    Added Swain

    That giant mess of URLs and images is annoying

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  • PacificstarPacificstar Registered User regular
    edited October 2010
    Ryokaze wrote: »
    So. You're faster than they are, you can block one CC for free, you fire from quite a bit farther away than melee range, and frontline tanks are a viable target for you.

    Why are you getting roflstomped instantly every time a fight starts?

    You're right, I know nothing. I'm also bad at this game and my favorite character.

  • RyokazeRyokaze Registered User
    edited October 2010
    Do you think you're the only one who's played over a hundred games with sivir?

  • Zen VulgarityZen Vulgarity Ask me about Super Propane and Super Propane accessoriesRegistered User regular
    edited October 2010
    I actually can't find online game of the year as a voting option

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  • nealcmnealcm Registered User regular
    edited October 2010
    Cutfang wrote: »
    Playing with my 9 year old brother I discovered a delicious strategy.

    He plays Anivia, lures everyone into his lane into killing him due to general inexperience at the game, I kill everyone that tries as Tryndamere. Que me being disgustingly fed and killing Sunfire cape Garens without endless rage. Don't feel too sorry for my brother though, he turned into a happy egg and even killed a dude!

    d'aww

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  • DroolDrool Registered User regular
    edited October 2010
    Cutfang wrote: »
    Playing with my 9 year old brother I discovered a delicious strategy.

    He plays Anivia, lures everyone into his lane into killing him due to general inexperience at the game, I kill everyone that tries as Tryndamere. Que me being disgustingly fed and killing Sunfire cape Garens without endless rage. Don't feel too sorry for my brother though, he turned into a happy egg and even killed a dude!

    I got into a random team with another dude on vent the other day. Everyone had picked but one guy and we needed a tank so we suggested he pick one. He said "Okay I'll tank," and proceeded to pick Anivia. We were a bit surprised and laughed, but he assured us he had every intention of tanking.

    I was Warwick and jungling so he took the solo top lane and hugged the tower. He farmed like a champ and a few ganks later he had purchased himself two sunfire capes a thornmail and one caster item.

    By the end of the game he had three capes tons of assists and at least two egg kills from idiots beating on him. It was great.

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