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[Hurricanes/Tropical Storms] - Katia turns away, Nate in Mexico, Maria in Atlantic

ShadowfireShadowfire Registered User regular
edited September 2011 in Debate and/or Discourse
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So this thread is now the Hurricane thread. Irene hit the northeast pretty hard, but I haven't heard a whole lot about Lee at this point. We also have a few other storms we have been watching (or should be):

TS Nate formed in the gulf, much like Lee did, and is heading right into Mexico now. They're concerned that this could strengthen quickly thanks to the warm gulf water, but right now it is still a tropical storm.
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TS Maria is one to watch. It's out in the Atlantic, near the Western Antilles/Puerto Rico, and it's too early to tell if it will hit the U.S. Also, plenty of time to strengthen into hurricane status.
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Katia was being very closely watched by the Northeast. All we needed was another hit by a hurricane, but it looks like Katia decided to just hang out in the pool.
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Old OP:
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So, why make this thread? Partly because I needed to get this out in the open. There was a tad bit of surprise when I posted some of the above pictures in the Primary thread, and I think people need to see (and it will make me feel a lot better talking about it). Still, there is plenty to discuss. First, I'm going to reserve the second post for pictures from others in the thread. I can't be the only one affected, and I don't just mean Vermont. If you're in New Hampshire, New York, Virginia, New Jersey, or wherever, and your area was affected, please post pictures and I'll repost them in the second post.

As for what else can be discussed, there's the media calling this "nothing" while the state scrambles to save lives and evacuate the people who coordinate disaster relief. We can also discuss FEMA, and the way Republicans (seemingly led by Eric Cantor) want to withhold aid to places hit by recent tragedy (or not so recent, i.e. Joplin).

Discuss.

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  • ShadowfireShadowfire Registered User regular
    edited September 2011
    Reserved for posts and pictures from others affected.

    Enc:
    Spoiler:

    AlyceInWonderland:
    Spoiler:

    Skoal Cat:
    Spoiler:

    jefe414:
    Spoiler:

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  • FeralFeral Who needs a medical license when you've got style? Registered User regular
    Of course Irene hates the Northeast US. Irene hates everything.
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    every person who doesn't like an acquired taste always seems to think everyone who likes it is faking it. it should be an official fallacy.
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  • AlyceInWonderlandAlyceInWonderland Registered User regular
    I live in the Hudson Valley, and our town got hit pretty hard by the flooding as well. I'll post pictures when I get home later.

  • JebusUDJebusUD Registered User regular
    Feral wrote:
    Of course Irene hates the Northeast US. Irene hates everything.
    Spoiler:

    Feral references poster that hasn't been around for over a year.


    Yeah, this hurricane sucks. Guess I hope the gubbmint does its job.

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  • FeralFeral Who needs a medical license when you've got style? Registered User regular
    JebusUD wrote:
    Feral wrote:
    Of course Irene hates the Northeast US. Irene hates everything.
    Spoiler:

    Feral references poster that hasn't been around for over a year.

    I put a lot of work in that list, I'm going to milk it for all it's worth.

    every person who doesn't like an acquired taste always seems to think everyone who likes it is faking it. it should be an official fallacy.
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  • EncEnc FloridaRegistered User regular
    Grandmother's house up in Maine got some hate:
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    I was sleeping in the bed that was powdered by the giant tree a week before. Fortunately no one was staying in the guestroom.

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  • Johnny ChopsockyJohnny Chopsocky Scootaloo! We have to cook! Grillin' HaysenburgersRegistered User regular
    edited September 2011
    It really pisses me off seeing how people who live outside the afflicted area like to act like it's "no big deal" once cable news stops trumpeting about it every 30 minutes.

    One of our shows is a guest panel show. One of the people actually said, while saying how FEMA isn't really necessary, "they got 10 inches of rain in some places, but not in all the places. We got 5 inches of rain last Monday. Where's our FEMA response?" It was all I could do to just not cut away from him and refuse to give him any more close-ups for the rest of the show.

    I mean, yeah, we got fucked by flooding here too, but that was a threat that we watched develop over MONTHS. The Northeast got how much warning? A week and a half? Less? And they got the water along with 100 mph winds?

    Fucking people and their lack of perspective.

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  • jefe414jefe414 The dirtiest Sanchez TortugaRegistered User regular
    Here in Southern CT, we got clobbered. I don't really have any good pictures though.

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  • AlyceInWonderlandAlyceInWonderland Registered User regular
    edited September 2011
    I live in the Hudson Valley, and our town got hit pretty hard by the flooding as well. I'll post pictures when I get home later.

    Spawnbroker accidentally hijacked my account :P


    Here are some pictures. My town got buttfucked so hard.
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    So many people I know were like "pft, Irene was no big deal"...


    Edit:
    Here are a couple of videos:

    A local fire fighter made this one


    This is our local baseball field...



    Yup. No biggie at all. It's cool.

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  • EncEnc FloridaRegistered User regular
    As a Floridian, I've always been sick of that attitude. Charlie leveled several family member's homes. My wife's hometown was flattened off the map for almost two years. Down here we take these storms seriously, we don;t freak out, but we expect that if it hits us there's nothing we can do but brace for it. These are serious things. Media does little to show the real, long term damage. Once the schock story ends, the real misery ends as people figure out what the hell comes next.

    Stay strong, guys. Clean up as best as you can and keep working. From experience it will take a good long while, but if you start in your backyard and keep going eventually the area will be cleaned up and life goes on.

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  • RedTideRedTide Registered User regular
    Was checking the computer at work on Tuesday, from the day the storm hit (27th, saturday) which is when my shift went off duty till that morning (7am on the 30th) we ran over 450 bells as a department, including medicals, which is an insane 72 hours.

  • TomantaTomanta Registered User regular
    I found the "Overhyped!" talk that started just after the storm (I'm staring daggers at you, Piers Morgan) ridiculous, and seeing those pictures wish the flooding was being covered more.

    Really hope Katia decides to stay out in the Atlantic and off the coast.

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  • lonelyahavalonelyahava One day, I will be able to say to myself "I am beautiful and I am perfect just the way I am"Registered User regular
    guys, i can't say much more than how badly i feel for you.

    i watched the storm coverage consistently (over the internets cause i'm in new zealand now) and fretted over my parents and friends all up and down the east coast. but they've been lucky.

    my heart and thoughts go out to you guys. seriously.

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  • PhillisherePhillishere Registered User regular
    I'm from coastal North Carolina and have lived through Floyd and a ton of other hurricanes. The one thing I can tell you is that your community will recover. As bad as this is, there will be only traces, memories and stories in a couple years.

  • Skoal CatSkoal Cat Registered User
    edited September 2011
    jefe414 wrote:
    Here in Southern CT, we got clobbered. I don't really have any good pictures though.
    I got you covered. Courtesy of my mom.
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    Oh hey, that's not so bad-
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    oh my fucking god

    Rough estimate? 5 ft of water there. Her house needs to be torn down. It is uninhabitable.

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  • Chases Street DemonsChases Street Demons Registered User regular
    edited September 2011
    Not sure how this link will work through since it's definitely going to be removed eventually, but this leads to a slideshow of pics that NJ Transit put together showing the damage to the rail lines in the area.

    http://www.njtransit.com/var/var_servlet.srv?hdnPageAction=HurricaneIreneTo

    And of course my line is the most damaged, with repairs scheduled to take "months".

    Edit: Pics 4 and 5 are on my line. So.....yeah.

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  • Skoal CatSkoal Cat Registered User
    I've been crying in the car every time they talk about the damage in Vermont. I love that state so much and have incredible memories there and the towns I know just got washed away. Those parts of the country just aren't built to deal with this type of weather.
    Its horrible.

    I told my mom to tell me as soon as I can fly up there to help clean/demo/whatever. I'm more than a thousand miles away right now and all I can do is write about this on the Internet.

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  • override367override367 Registered User regular
    Is there federal aid going to the ravaged areas? I mean this seems like a perfect opportunity to help out people in need and stimulate the economy at the same time

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  • lonelyahavalonelyahava One day, I will be able to say to myself "I am beautiful and I am perfect just the way I am"Registered User regular
    Is there federal aid going to the ravaged areas? I mean this seems like a perfect opportunity to help out people in need and stimulate the economy at the same time

    Not if Eric Cantor has his way.

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  • Skoal CatSkoal Cat Registered User
    I think 1 billion has been released so far?

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    Skoal Cat is correct.
  • TomantaTomanta Registered User regular
    Skoal Cat wrote:
    I think 1 billion has been released so far?

    If it has, it came from the Joplin recovery.

    I really feel bad for VT, too. If people don't want to give aid to people who built a house on the beach and didn't get insurance, I'm fine with that.

    If anyone who thinks aid shouldn't go to people without flood insurance in a state that NEVER FLOODS they should be taken out to the middle of a lake, dropped in it, then have their house dropped in on top of them.

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  • ShadowfireShadowfire Registered User regular
    Skoal Cat wrote:
    I've been crying in the car every time they talk about the damage in Vermont. I love that state so much and have incredible memories there and the towns I know just got washed away. Those parts of the country just aren't built to deal with this type of weather.
    Its horrible.

    I told my mom to tell me as soon as I can fly up there to help clean/demo/whatever. I'm more than a thousand miles away right now and all I can do is write about this on the Internet.

    If you're thinking about this, there is a site set up for people who are looking to volunteer (and those who are offering to help). It's been a great resource so far, but it's just one. The red cross is operating here, all of the food shelves, temporary housing organizations.. even the humane societies are looking for help.

    Also, the first company I've heard of so far bringing in aid? Proctor and Gamble is delivering 40,000 pounds of Iams cat and dog foods to the Vermont humane society. :^:
    Skoal Cat wrote:
    I think 1 billion has been released so far?

    This is correct, and it's all used for emergency relief. Otherwise, the President has promised to cover 75% of the rebuilding costs with federal funds, but again, Cantor may hold that up. Because he is a cock.

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  • Skoal CatSkoal Cat Registered User
    edited September 2011
    Shadowfire wrote:
    Skoal Cat wrote:
    I've been crying in the car every time they talk about the damage in Vermont. I love that state so much and have incredible memories there and the towns I know just got washed away. Those parts of the country just aren't built to deal with this type of weather.
    Its horrible.

    I told my mom to tell me as soon as I can fly up there to help clean/demo/whatever. I'm more than a thousand miles away right now and all I can do is write about this on the Internet.

    If you're thinking about this, there is a site set up for people who are looking to volunteer (and those who are offering to help). It's been a great resource so far, but it's just one. The red cross is operating here, all of the food shelves, temporary housing organizations.. even the humane societies are looking for help.

    I wasn't even thinking of flying into Vermont. My mom lives in Connecticut and I want to help her sort through her life. Its kind of the the worst month ever for her.
    But now I want to fly to Vermont. Part of me is yelling that this shouldn't even cost money. It should just happen. Rebuild a town. Labor, materials, why should it cost anything? Just give give give. Its a fucking catastrophe, we should be able to do this without making a profit. I've already suggested my mother open up her rental house in Vermont that luckily did not get destroyed) to displaced locals for free. I think she is going to.

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  • ShadowfireShadowfire Registered User regular
    Is... is godhatesfags.com really..

    is that really the Westboro Baptist Church's website?

    Because if it is, they're trolling Vermont hard...

    And by trolling, I mean "being dicks."

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  • Skoal CatSkoal Cat Registered User

    Rage

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  • override367override367 Registered User regular
    The most greatest thing is no matter how monstrous their comments, it only makes them more popular!

    wait that's the opposite of great

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  • SinWithSebastianSinWithSebastian Registered User regular
    Krugman on Eric Cantor:
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    It'll be great when calling Cantor out on this stuff will be "dancing on graves", although I suppose that'd entail acknowledging some damage was done in the first place. Hargle bargle.

  • override367override367 Registered User regular
    edited September 2011
    Now taking bets on how long until Obama folds and feeds the elderly to the invisible hand to get money to fix things after hurricanes

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  • TheOrangeTheOrange Registered User regular
    I was watching CNN a week ago and a "Irene attacks the northeast" line comes, for like five seconds, I was like "Iran attacks the northeast". I skipped a couple of beats.

    Needless to say, I feel for you guys, I saw some pictures where trees fell on houses and shit, thats bad.

  • ArthilArthil Lord Commander Ursus Maximus Registered User regular
    Shadowfire wrote:
    Is... is godhatesfags.com really..

    is that really the Westboro Baptist Church's website?

    Because if it is, they're trolling Vermont hard...

    And by trolling, I mean "being dicks."

    I hope the locals drown the fuckers.

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  • HappylilElfHappylilElf Registered User regular
    edited September 2011
    It really pisses me off seeing how people who live outside the afflicted area like to act like it's "no big deal" once cable news stops trumpeting about it every 30 minutes.

    One of our shows is a guest panel show. One of the people actually said, while saying how FEMA isn't really necessary, "they got 10 inches of rain in some places, but not in all the places. We got 5 inches of rain last Monday. Where's our FEMA response?" It was all I could do to just not cut away from him and refuse to give him any more close-ups for the rest of the show.

    I mean, yeah, we got fucked by flooding here too, but that was a threat that we watched develop over MONTHS. The Northeast got how much warning? A week and a half? Less? And they got the water along with 100 mph winds?

    Fucking people and their lack of perspective.

    Welcome to the tornadoes or the in the South this year or hell the seemingly almost annual flooding across the country. Shit even the BP spill coverage was mostly "What whacky plan will those nutty guys try next!?" when it should have been "This shit is catastophically bad" 24/7.

    The 24 hour news is kind of a joke when it comes to things like this.

    At least Cantor got some "Is this guy fucking serious?" coverage for his (not the first time) we have to offset any FEMA funding with budget cuts shit. I mean, not enough coverage but with the state of our national media I'll take what I can get.

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  • NerissaNerissa Registered User regular
    Man, the more I think about Irene, the more I realize just how lucky I was. I'm in Virginia, within 100 miles of the coast, and we were inconvenienced by the storm, but not really hurt.

    Yeah, we were without power for half a week, but we were lucky enough to have a good generator (and after this week, I've decided that it's not something I'm willing to live without again if at all possible). The timing sucked for me because my propane was low and I had to be very careful about running it only as much as needed to keep the refrigerators & freezers at safe temperatures, but we were able to do it (barely). And there are still LOTS of people in the area without power today, when we've had it back since Wednesday afternoon. We also live out where it's entirely possible to cook over a campfire every night if it's not raining, so hot meals weren't a problem either, without having to buy bags and bags of charcoal. There was certainly enough firewood around, if a bit green. So, I had good water (well pump filled the tanks when the generator ran), my food stores weren't going bad, and I was able to cook them properly (if a little inexpertly). Plus lights and the ability to connect to the internet whenever the generator was running. Extremely lucky.

    As for damage... the side of the pool got blown in, probably only because it was empty at the time due to a hole in the liner. 4 trees in the horse pasture fell on the fence, but didn't actually break anything, just pushed the wire down and came to rest on the wood bits. Another tree in the middle of the pasture fell over, but not on top of anything. No buildings or living things were damaged in any way. Not even a shingle off a roof.

    I haven't been paying all that much attention to what the storm did after it passed me, it looks like maybe the worst of the actual damage is going to be in places a bit north of where hurricanes usually do serious damage?

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  • PatboyXPatboyX Registered User regular
    edited September 2011
    I have no good pictures but I did just get my power back on here in Jersey.
    Like within the last 24 hours. I understand there are still quite a few people without power and / or water around these parts.
    But I was pretty lucky. I'm on the second floor and a tree fell on my house in April so I had nothing left to fall on it now.
    My biggest gripe is with JCP&L (power company) not communicating with us in a more meaningful fashion. I also believe that the wires that they service are hardly maintained at the best of times and if they had a proper maintenance plan, a lot of this prolonged outage for their "customers" could have been prevented. Obviously, there was flooding and tree damage that would have not been preventable unless they employ precogs. But some of these other downed lines and poles were a result of ignoring previous requests for service prior to the storm.

    But like I said, I was very lucky to have only lost power and water (plus I had somewhere to stay.) I find it slightly irritating the disconnect even between neighborhoods on this. Everyone in my place was bitching up a storm (and, of course, I was not happy) but literally half a mile away people were flooded up to their first floor and higher.

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  • ElJeffeElJeffe Super Moderator, Moderator, ClubPA mod
    I've been trying to get a handle on the severity of this storm. Was Irene a particularly bad hurricane, or was it a fairly normal hurricane that just hit a bunch of people who aren't accustomed to it? Like, is this just typical hurricane damage, but in a new and exciting location?

    (Obviously recognizing that even "typical hurricane damage" is a tragedy in itself and sucks massively for all involved.)

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  • NerissaNerissa Registered User regular
    ElJeffe wrote:
    I've been trying to get a handle on the severity of this storm. Was Irene a particularly bad hurricane, or was it a fairly normal hurricane that just hit a bunch of people who aren't accustomed to it? Like, is this just typical hurricane damage, but in a new and exciting location?

    (Obviously recognizing that even "typical hurricane damage" is a tragedy in itself and sucks massively for all involved.)
    I think it's more the new and exciting location... I don't think it was ever more than a low category 2 during the time it was near enough to land to affect too many people. That's not particularly bad as hurricanes go.

    I don't know for certain, but I think the flooding I'm seeing in the NE is closer to what I'd expect from a stronger storm, though. I don't know enough about weather / geology / whatever to know why that would happen, but that's pretty much the only bit that seems particularly unusual to me.

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  • ElJeffeElJeffe Super Moderator, Moderator, ClubPA mod
    Could part of the problem be that this area just isn't designed with hurricanes in mind? Sort of like it wasn't designed with 5.9 earthquakes in mind? I don't know how southeastern architecture differs from northeastern architecture in things like disaster preparedness.

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  • CantidoCantido Registered User regular
    Being from Florida, I couldn't grasp flooding, or flooding staying in one place. Being below sea level means water always has a place to go. My prayers go out to the Northeast.

    Also, Bachman is an evil bitch.

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  • redxredx East Bumblefuck, PARegistered User regular
    I think design certainly plays a big role. Regulations regarding the ability survive sustained winds are definitely a thing in areas like florida(like big steel straps that hold the roof to the frame). Drainage systems are also going to be designed to handle large volumes of water, so the flooding tends to not last as long or be as bad as they would otherwise.

    Terrain can make flooding worse. When you have a town located in a valley, all the rain from miles around heads right toward it. Most places hurricanes hit are pretty flat. Water isn't as likely to end up traveling quickly or so much of it gathering in a small area.



    This is more damage than I would typically associate with a low category 2.


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  • enlightenedbumenlightenedbum Ann Arbor, MichiganRegistered User regular
    It wasn't a particularly severe hurricane in terms of winds, but it was a huge (like 250 miles in diameter or something crazy), slow moving storm so it dumped a ton of rain which caused the flooding which has been the really damaging aspect. Or at least that's my understanding.

  • Chases Street DemonsChases Street Demons Registered User regular
    edited September 2011
    ElJeffe wrote:
    I've been trying to get a handle on the severity of this storm. Was Irene a particularly bad hurricane, or was it a fairly normal hurricane that just hit a bunch of people who aren't accustomed to it? Like, is this just typical hurricane damage, but in a new and exciting location?

    (Obviously recognizing that even "typical hurricane damage" is a tragedy in itself and sucks massively for all involved.)

    Irene was large in terms of hurricane diameter. As seen here:

    http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-GGXWDvndKek/TllzvmBnoUI/AAAAAAAABhY/ll9HrIBUz68/s1600/hurricane-irene-landfall-east-coast-goes-13-aug-27.jpg

    and

    http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-taTnsbMfZlg/TlhuW07CoNI/AAAAAAAABhI/qzTXXl9zgmQ/s1600/Irene.jpg

    Magically move her so that the eye is over a midwest location and you can see that the outer bands would affect roughly 40% of the continental U.S.

    Her strength wasn't overpowering in terms of wind velocity, but she was a slow moving hurricane (moving as slow as 11 mph) and heavy in terms of rainfall. My town which is 45 mins NW of NYC got 10+ inches of rain...and we've already had a freakishly bad month in terms of rainfall. Before the Hurricane the NYC regional area had already shattered monthly rainfall records by as much as 50% locally. The ground was saturated in many places, and tree roots were already somewhat movable, so when the wind hit...

    I lived in NJ for many years so I can tell you that it's no surprise that a good deal of the state flooded. There are hundreds of little rivers and tributaries that criscross the state, it's just that nobody really sees them. The Ramapo and Passaic rivers have a reputation for flooding every year, and there are just so many houses crammed in the state that it's not a surprise to see floods.

    The NY/NJ area gets hit by hurricane remnants often enough to deal with the rain in most cases. It's just that they're never very serious by the time they hit. Ask most NYers and they'll tell you that they remember playing outside during hurricanes when they were younger (I do).

    It was a combination of factors, really. A lot of people have suffered damage but we're fortunate that the winds weren't category 2 or 3 when they got here. At that point you're talking skyscraper damage as well as the type of damage we already got.

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