I don't think it's excessive at all. He's publicly stated at least twice that he won't follow orders from a member of his chain of command and was advocating others to disobey orders as well. That sort of crap is unacceptable.
I don't think it's excessive at all. He's publicly stated at least twice that he won't follow orders from a member of his chain of command and was advocating others to disobey orders as well. That sort of crap is unacceptable.
where does it say that a member of the military has to follow the orders of an usurping Kenyan marxist muslim?
discharging him over this seems somewhat excessive
but on the other hand, you can only get away with sticking a fork in the light socket so many times
Believe me when I say it is not. Like, at all. That he got warnings from the upper tiers is, frankly, shocking.
Most service members, were they to inform their chain they refused to follow orders anymore, would be out on their ass as soon as the paper work is done.
discharging him over this seems somewhat excessive
but on the other hand, you can only get away with sticking a fork in the light socket so many times
Believe me when I say it is not. Like, at all. That he got warnings from the upper tiers is, frankly, shocking.
Most service members, were they to inform their chain they refused to follow orders anymore, would be out on their ass as soon as the paper work is done.
Shit, most people in any job would be out on their ear for that. Examples abound of people getting sacked for "I hate my job and my manager is a wanker" postings of Facebook.
Service members can't talk shit about their Commander in Chief in uniform, this much is true, but the military has already started cracking down on not saying stupid shit over the internet. Ranging from "loose lips sink ships" to saying something like that.
Being a civilian and having had a number of family who have served in the armed forces or had a close working relationship with one of the branches, I can tell you this isn't out of line at all. Our country and military take pride in avoiding some of the fuck ups that third world countries go through. Yes, you can have an opinion; however, it should always be done in a manner that reflect you as someone outside of the armed forced and never in a manner that can be construed as official military support. Most vets I've met tend to espouse the doctrine of loyalty to your country (aka the constitution) over political parties, as in the political parties can go at each others throats but the military will take no part in such partisan fights.
There is also the issue of this guy not only advocating violation of the chain of command for the sake of a shitty political group, but he was going against unit cohesion by being so inflammatory with his political leaning. As I understand it, he didn't just post this shit on facebook, apparently there was also an official military sight where he was posting this shit.
Insubordination is a crime in the military. I can quote you guys the maximum punishment, but other than honorable is well within the limits.
I'm not sure if it was this thread or another, but the military is downsizing, he would have most likely been released anyhow despite being public or private. Insubordination is bad.
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What does him being a sergeant after 9 years mean? I though lifer sergeants where the backbone of the US Army.
If he was a corporal I would understand it.
The Army is one thing. In the Marines, the washout/involuntary separation rate is much higher and promotions come a lot "easier" than they do in other branches, mostly because the physical requirements of that branch far outweigh those of the others.
So, if you can do the PT, you can get the rocking chair (E-7) in the Marines in 9 years, easy.
What does him being a sergeant after 9 years mean? I though lifer sergeants where the backbone of the US Army.
If he was a corporal I would understand it.
The Army is one thing. In the Marines, the washout rate is much higher and promotions come a lot "easier" than they do in other branches, mostly because the physical requirements of that branch far outweigh those of the others.
So, if you can do the PT, you can get the rocking chair (E-7) in the Marines in 9 years, easy.
This really isn't an accurate statement.
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Service members can't talk shit about their Commander in Chief in uniform, this much is true, but the military has already started cracking down on not saying stupid shit over the internet. Ranging from "loose lips sink ships" to saying something like that.
We had a guy lose his corporal (back to specialist) for saying "Some of the people I work with are dumbasses, I swear."
Willful worldwide broadcast of insubordination carries a bit more weight.
discharging him over this seems somewhat excessive
but on the other hand, you can only get away with sticking a fork in the light socket so many times
Believe me when I say it is not. Like, at all. That he got warnings from the upper tiers is, frankly, shocking.
Most service members, were they to inform their chain they refused to follow orders anymore, would be out on their ass as soon as the paper work is done.
Like Jane Cobb said, the chain of command is what I'll beat you with if you don't do what I tell you.
I don't see too many comments on the article showing sympathy for the guy. He fucked up over, like, the most basic thing about being in the US military: the president is your boss. He is, in fact, The Boss(TM). You don't have to like him, you don't have to agree with him, you don't even have to vote for him, but it's on your head if you disobey or encourage others to disobey orders coming from the oval office.
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The funniest part is I doubt Obama really had anything at all to do with this dude's day to day military life, unless the President is way more hands on the military than is implied.
I've been in since 99 (Clinton). Army really hasn't changed a whole lot. I mean, there are some things that are different, but it's still pretty much ran the same way and it's all fundamentally the same.
People used to panic and say that DADT going away would could chaos of epic proportions in the worlds most powerful military. None of us seemed to notice.
The President really doesn't have much effect of day to day buisness.
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What does him being a sergeant after 9 years mean? I though lifer sergeants where the backbone of the US Army.
If he was a corporal I would understand it.
The Army is one thing. In the Marines, the washout rate is much higher and promotions come a lot "easier" than they do in other branches, mostly because the physical requirements of that branch far outweigh those of the others.
So, if you can do the PT, you can get the rocking chair (E-7) in the Marines in 9 years, easy.
This really isn't an accurate statement.
Yea, usually it's more difficult in the Marine Corps to be promoted than it is in other branches because they're a smaller branch and thus the competition is fiercer and the standards harder. Hell, most Marines come to the Army when they reach promotion cap.
You rarely see it the other way around, other branches joining the Marine Corps for promotion potential.
People used to panic and say that DADT going away would could chaos of epic proportions in the worlds most powerful military. None of us seemed to notice.
Funny how many "Support the Troops" types seemed to have zero faith in your ability to continue to do your job in the midst of a policy change.
And it might be different if this sergeant had gone on his Faceyspace one night and said Obama was an asshole. That's not what he did. He openly and repeatedly - with prior deliberation and against the advice of both his military superiors and the U.S. Attorney General's office - stated his intention to disregard the United States Armed Forces Oath of Enlistment. That dog won't hunt, Monsignor.
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Well if NCIS is at all accurate, half of marine sergeants are murdered on a regular basis.
Yea, usually it's more difficult in the Marine Corps to be promoted than it is in other branches because they're a smaller branch and thus the competition is fiercer and the standards harder. Hell, most Marines come to the Army when they reach promotion cap.
You rarely see it the other way around, other branches joining the Marine Corps for promotion potential.
Other branches can't join the Marine Corps, just like the Air Force: They don't take prior enlisted easily, and if they do you'll probably be relegated WAY down the ranks. Most people come to the Army and stuff themselves in an understaffed MOS after basically being threatened with an involuntary separation of service.
What does him being a sergeant after 9 years mean? I though lifer sergeants where the backbone of the US Army.
If he was a corporal I would understand it.
The Army is one thing. In the Marines, the washout rate is much higher and promotions come a lot "easier" than they do in other branches, mostly because the physical requirements of that branch far outweigh those of the others.
So, if you can do the PT, you can get the rocking chair (E-7) in the Marines in 9 years, easy.
This really isn't an accurate statement.
Yea, usually it's more difficult in the Marine Corps to be promoted than it is in other branches because they're a smaller branch and thus the competition is fiercer and the standards harder. Hell, most Marines come to the Army when they reach promotion cap.
You rarely see it the other way around, other branches joining the Marine Corps for promotion potential.
The corps makes all cross service transfers go through recruit training and caps transfer rank at lance corporal. Which is why you don't see many people transfer, and as I said earlier promotion rates are highly dependent on mos.
Back on topic, if the line in the article is correct about him encouraging insubordination in others he's very lucky they didn't court martial him. Although, if it was just over Facebook or something similar administrativey separating him makes sense.
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As a civilian with many friends in the officer corps, I am very glad this douchebag got kicked out.
The military isn't the kind of place where you can go "I'm not following orders" especially not from civilian leadership.
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He was generally being an ice cold motherfucker to all kinds of deserving targets.
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OH NO! The president is social with people, makes jokes and knows how to handle the press personally, WHAT WILL WE EVER DO!
This is like Lincoln all over again!
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He did steal a joke from Colbert's 2006 Correspondents address (about wives and better halves), but that particular one was a bit of a hoary chestnut anyway.
He did steal a joke from Colbert's 2006 Correspondents address (about wives and better halves), but that particular one was a bit of a hoary chestnut anyway.
I hope they let Colbert off the chain again some day. Considering Michelle Obama was on the Colbert Report just a few weeks ago (along with the President playing along when Colbert visited the troops in Iraq, and other tie ins they've done) I can only assume it'd still be funny and biting without being outright batshit crazy like his last visit to the WHCD.
Some of my favourite bits: the shoutout thanking members of congress for taking time out of their busy schedules of not passing any legislation to participate. I'll bet that felt really good to say out loud. Also: "Jimmy Kimmel got his start on The Man show. In Washington, that's what we call a congressional hearing on contraception."
Also, if you don't watch the whole video, watch the first minute or so. The opening shot is incredible.
Edit: okay, I haven't watched the whole thing. Holy. Shit. Seriously, this is incredible.
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First they came for the Muslims, and we said NOT TODAY, MOTHERFUCKER!
Remember, the White House Press invites the feature attraction. And while Obama gets along well with Colbert/Stewart, the press haaaaaates Colbert for that routine in particular.
Self-righteousness is incompatible with coalition building.
Remember, the White House Press invites the feature attraction. And while Obama gets along well with Colbert/Stewart, the press haaaaaates Colbert for that routine in particular.
Ah, that I was unaware of.
... yeah, considering the shit the networks still pull (but I'm not equivocating, Fox and their kin are a biiiiiiiig part of that bullshit) and the resulting ire Stewart and Colbert lob their way, I guess I shouldn't hold my breath or anything.
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From the attorney general.
but on the other hand, you can only get away with sticking a fork in the light socket so many times
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where does it say that a member of the military has to follow the orders of an usurping Kenyan marxist muslim?
Believe me when I say it is not. Like, at all. That he got warnings from the upper tiers is, frankly, shocking.
Most service members, were they to inform their chain they refused to follow orders anymore, would be out on their ass as soon as the paper work is done.
Shit, most people in any job would be out on their ear for that. Examples abound of people getting sacked for "I hate my job and my manager is a wanker" postings of Facebook.
There is also the issue of this guy not only advocating violation of the chain of command for the sake of a shitty political group, but he was going against unit cohesion by being so inflammatory with his political leaning. As I understand it, he didn't just post this shit on facebook, apparently there was also an official military sight where he was posting this shit.
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Nice chart to figure out how honest a news source is.
I'm not sure if it was this thread or another, but the military is downsizing, he would have most likely been released anyhow despite being public or private. Insubordination is bad.
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The Army is one thing. In the Marines, the washout/involuntary separation rate is much higher and promotions come a lot "easier" than they do in other branches, mostly because the physical requirements of that branch far outweigh those of the others.
So, if you can do the PT, you can get the rocking chair (E-7) in the Marines in 9 years, easy.
This really isn't an accurate statement.
We had a guy lose his corporal (back to specialist) for saying "Some of the people I work with are dumbasses, I swear."
Willful worldwide broadcast of insubordination carries a bit more weight.
Like Jane Cobb said, the chain of command is what I'll beat you with if you don't do what I tell you.
I don't see too many comments on the article showing sympathy for the guy. He fucked up over, like, the most basic thing about being in the US military: the president is your boss. He is, in fact, The Boss(TM). You don't have to like him, you don't have to agree with him, you don't even have to vote for him, but it's on your head if you disobey or encourage others to disobey orders coming from the oval office.
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Things remain unchanged for the most part aside from the draw down. So I'm sure he's made whoever's competing with him to stay in happy enough.
People used to panic and say that DADT going away would could chaos of epic proportions in the worlds most powerful military. None of us seemed to notice.
The President really doesn't have much effect of day to day buisness.
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Yea, usually it's more difficult in the Marine Corps to be promoted than it is in other branches because they're a smaller branch and thus the competition is fiercer and the standards harder. Hell, most Marines come to the Army when they reach promotion cap.
You rarely see it the other way around, other branches joining the Marine Corps for promotion potential.
Funny how many "Support the Troops" types seemed to have zero faith in your ability to continue to do your job in the midst of a policy change.
And it might be different if this sergeant had gone on his Faceyspace one night and said Obama was an asshole. That's not what he did. He openly and repeatedly - with prior deliberation and against the advice of both his military superiors and the U.S. Attorney General's office - stated his intention to disregard the United States Armed Forces Oath of Enlistment. That dog won't hunt, Monsignor.
Other branches can't join the Marine Corps, just like the Air Force: They don't take prior enlisted easily, and if they do you'll probably be relegated WAY down the ranks. Most people come to the Army and stuff themselves in an understaffed MOS after basically being threatened with an involuntary separation of service.
The corps makes all cross service transfers go through recruit training and caps transfer rank at lance corporal. Which is why you don't see many people transfer, and as I said earlier promotion rates are highly dependent on mos.
Back on topic, if the line in the article is correct about him encouraging insubordination in others he's very lucky they didn't court martial him. Although, if it was just over Facebook or something similar administrativey separating him makes sense.
The military isn't the kind of place where you can go "I'm not following orders" especially not from civilian leadership.
He was generally being an ice cold motherfucker to all kinds of deserving targets.
In its entirety.
Holy shit.
Let 'em eat fucking pineapples!
http://www.examiner.com/article/fox-news-admits-on-air-to-lying-about-president-obama?cid=db_articles
Romney has Fox in his corner.
Courtesy of Karl Rove.
As usual, do not read the comments.
This is like Lincoln all over again!
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That's like saying, "As usual, the front entrance is heavily guarded."
Let 'em eat fucking pineapples!
I hope they let Colbert off the chain again some day. Considering Michelle Obama was on the Colbert Report just a few weeks ago (along with the President playing along when Colbert visited the troops in Iraq, and other tie ins they've done) I can only assume it'd still be funny and biting without being outright batshit crazy like his last visit to the WHCD.
Some of my favourite bits: the shoutout thanking members of congress for taking time out of their busy schedules of not passing any legislation to participate. I'll bet that felt really good to say out loud. Also: "Jimmy Kimmel got his start on The Man show. In Washington, that's what we call a congressional hearing on contraception."
Also, if you don't watch the whole video, watch the first minute or so. The opening shot is incredible.
Edit: okay, I haven't watched the whole thing. Holy. Shit. Seriously, this is incredible.
Ah, that I was unaware of.
... yeah, considering the shit the networks still pull (but I'm not equivocating, Fox and their kin are a biiiiiiiig part of that bullshit) and the resulting ire Stewart and Colbert lob their way, I guess I shouldn't hold my breath or anything.
It was subtle as hell.
"My mother was born in Kansas. My father was born in Kenya. And I was born in Hawaii." *wink*