The bottom line is, Zimmerman shot an unarmed kid on the basis that "He looked at me funny, and ostensibly beat me up."
That is not self defense.
That is not manslaughter.
That is murder.
Arrest that fucker, indict him, send him to jail, then get every hospital chasing asshole without a conscience and a hunger for publicity the fuck out of my city.
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The bottom line is, Zimmerman shot an unarmed kid on the basis that "He looked at me funny, and ostensibly beat me up."
That is not self defense.
That is not manslaughter.
That is murder.
"and if he beat me up it's because he was probably freaked the fuck out because it's getting dark and some weirdo was following him in a car and then got out and confronted him so i shot him"
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i mean zimmerman also says that martin came up behind him when he got out of his truck to check what street he was on
despite the 911 tape that shows A) he knew where he was and he got out of the car to start following martin
so right there i've stopped believing anything out of zimmerman's mouth
what about the injuries on his head and the unequivocal statement of a witness
Yeah this whole assumption that the dude just walked up and shot a kid because he was wearing a hooded shirt has confused the shit out of me since day one. Now is Al Sharpton going to tell us that after shooting him he punched his own nose and beat his own head against the pavement?
we've known there was some kind of a fight for a while
the bit i take issue with is where he claims martin jumped him out of nowhere because that part is demonstrably a load of bullshit
please
demonstrate how it's bullshit
zimmerman says martin jumped him when he stepped out of the car
except the tapes "show" him getting out of the car and following martin (show's not the right word but you know what i mean please let's not do a semantics dance on that one)
wow it's almost like he made up getting jumped and is actually the aggressor in this situation
The police report cites Zimmerman's claim is that he got out of the car, went to follow Martin, lost sight of him, and then went back to his car. Then he alleges Marin caught up with him, they exchanged words, and then Martin attacked.
i mean zimmerman also says that martin came up behind him when he got out of his truck to check what street he was on
despite the 911 tape that shows A) he knew where he was and he got out of the car to start following martin
so right there i've stopped believing anything out of zimmerman's mouth
what about the injuries on his head and the unequivocal statement of a witness
Yeah this whole assumption that the dude just walked up and shot a kid because he was wearing a hooded shirt has confused the shit out of me since day one. Now is Al Sharpton going to tell us that after shooting him he punched his own nose and beat his own head against the pavement?
we've known there was some kind of a fight for a while
the bit i take issue with is where he claims martin jumped him out of nowhere because that part is demonstrably a load of bullshit
please
demonstrate how it's bullshit
zimmerman says martin jumped him when he stepped out of the car
except the tapes "show" him getting out of the car and following martin (show's not the right word but you know what i mean please let's not do a semantics dance on that one)
wow it's almost like he made up getting jumped and is actually the aggressor in this situation
huh because the thing i read said he got jumped as he was turning to return to his car
it's like there's more going on than the conclusion you jumped to based on your sense of injustice
the "turning to return to his car" bit is Zimmerman's story, it's not on the tapes or corroborated by any witnesses I know of
although I don't believe the 911 tapes say anything about him getting out of his truck either
guess what guys! being freaked out by some guy following you isn't a license to beat them up either!
I think I'd prefer two individual charges of harassment and battery to one count of murder.
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The pair's phone logs, obtained by ABC News, show they spoke just five minutes before police responded to reports of a shooting at the gated community in Sanford, Fla.
Recounting her conversation with Martin, the teen girl said, "He said this man was watching him, so he put his hoodie on. He said he lost the man."
"I asked Trayvon to run, and he said he was going to walk fast. I told him to run but he said he was not going to run," she said.
After a few minutes, the girl said, Martin thought he was safe. But eventually the man appeared again.
"Trayvon said, 'What are you following me for?'" the girl said. "And the man said, 'What are you doing here?' Next thing I hear is somebody pushing, and somebody pushed Trayvon because the [phone’s] headset just fell."
The line went dead, the girl said.
"I called him again and he didn't answer the phone," she said.
How many people here are actually involved in their local politics
I'm not involved as in attending council meetings or campaigning but I follow what's going on and try to vote in the best interest of the city, county and state.
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i mean zimmerman also says that martin came up behind him when he got out of his truck to check what street he was on
despite the 911 tape that shows A) he knew where he was and he got out of the car to start following martin
so right there i've stopped believing anything out of zimmerman's mouth
what about the injuries on his head and the unequivocal statement of a witness
Yeah this whole assumption that the dude just walked up and shot a kid because he was wearing a hooded shirt has confused the shit out of me since day one. Now is Al Sharpton going to tell us that after shooting him he punched his own nose and beat his own head against the pavement?
Butters, go listen to the 911 tapes, and then tell me Zimmerman didn't have it in his head to start some shit.
Besides, shooting a kid after he beat your ass for spouting off racial epithets and harassing him for no damn reason is pretty fucked up.
I haven't heard the tapes and I certainly don't know enough to support Zimmerman but use your head for a second. Racial epithets or not what Zimmerman is alleging is aggravated assault and possibly attempted manslaughter. There's a bit of a difference between beating someone up for running their mouth and sucker-punching someone and then proceeding to pound their head against the pavement.
How many people here are actually involved in their local politics
I'm not involved as in attending council meetings or campaigning but I follow what's going on and try to vote in the best interest of the city, county and state.
i guess in the end it comes to who's word you trust and what you believe the evidence proves as well as whether there is more to the story that just hasnt been shared
if im right though you guys owe me a fiver right
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I say this as someone that thinks anyone that fires a weapon on a would be attacker should be detained and at least questioned by police at a station before being sent home.
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same here
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arrest zim on at least manslaughter, gag order the lawyers, set trial date
In my ideal world there would be a thousand Jack McCoys.
My one complaint about his run on the show, not a complaint about him, but about plot devices used in the writing. The vast overuse of motion to suppress.
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How many people here are actually involved in their local politics
I'm not involved as in attending council meetings or campaigning but I follow what's going on and try to vote in the best interest of the city, county and state.
same here
:^:
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arrest zim on at least manslaughter, gag order the lawyers, set trial date
In my ideal world there would be a thousand Jack McCoys.
My one complaint about his run on the show, not a complaint about him, but about plot devices used in the writing. The vast overuse of motion to suppress.
I think my real only complain is that Jack McCoy a lot of times is super unethical to the point where he isn't about serving justice, he's about winning.
Which I think makes him an even better character but the guy does some really shady stuff to win cases.
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Also Sunday, "Dateline NBC" aired an interview with a woman who said she and her roommate heard and saw the last moments of Martin's life.
Mary Cutcher said they heard the voice of what sounded like a young person in distress just before hearing a gunshot.
"It sounded young," she said. "It didn't sound like a grown man is my point."
She added that as they looked out from their apartment they saw Zimmerman "straddling the body, basically, a foot on both sides of Trayvon’s body and his hands pressed on his back."
Zimmerman then told them to call the police, Cutcher said. "Zimmerman never turned him over or tried to help him or CPR or anything."
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How many people here are actually involved in their local politics
I'm not involved as in attending council meetings or campaigning but I follow what's going on and try to vote in the best interest of the city, county and state.
same here
Involved in any sort of voting bloc, politically active group or anything like that?
The number of active young people in these kinda groups has tanked. Went to see our local Fabian society and the youngest person that wasn't there with me was around 50
arrest zim on at least manslaughter, gag order the lawyers, set trial date
In my ideal world there would be a thousand Jack McCoys.
My one complaint about his run on the show, not a complaint about him, but about plot devices used in the writing. The vast overuse of motion to suppress.
I think my real only complain is that Jack McCoy a lot of times is super unethical to the point where he isn't about serving justice, he's about winning.
Which I think makes him an even better character but the guy does some really shady stuff to win cases.
i always remember that russian mafia episode where he defied habeas corpus all the way up to the highest state court
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arrest zim on at least manslaughter, gag order the lawyers, set trial date
In my ideal world there would be a thousand Jack McCoys.
My one complaint about his run on the show, not a complaint about him, but about plot devices used in the writing. The vast overuse of motion to suppress.
I think my real only complain is that Jack McCoy a lot of times is super unethical to the point where he isn't about serving justice, he's about winning.
Which I think makes him an even better character but the guy does some really shady stuff to win cases.
i always remember that russian mafia episode where he defied habeas corpus all the way up to like the state supreme court
When 50 percent of people surveyed have a problem with evolution and don't know that the earth revolves around the sun taking 1 year to do so, I think it's time to stop jerking off your ego.
Only 53% of adults know how long it takes for the Earth to revolve around the Sun.
Only 59% of adults know that the earliest humans and dinosaurs did not live at the same time.
Only 47% of adults can roughly approximate the percent of the Earth's surface that is covered with water .
Only 21% of adults answered all three questions correctly.
This survey was conducted by telephone within the United States by Harris Interactive on behalf of the California Academy of Sciences between December 17 and December 21, 2008 among 1,002 adults ages 18+.
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Also re: the police statement that is basically "This is what Zimmerman told us happened."
In response to the recent article in the Orlando Sentinel, the information was not provided to the media through an authorized source at the Sanford Police Department, but possibly by a leak from within the department. The information in the article is consistent with the information provided to the State Attorney's office by the police department.
"We do not condone these unauthorized leaks of information," said City Manager, Norton Bonaparte, Jr. "Acting Chief Scott will be doing an internal investigation within the Sanford Police Department as this type of action compromises the integrity of the law enforcement agency which has pledged to uphold the law".
Mr. Bonaparte stated that disciplinary action including possible termination will be taken against anyone found to have leaked the information.
Hmm, a leak from the police department that did a piss-poor job of any manner of initial investigation? No thanks.
also i'd like to point out, unless FLA law is seriously fucked up and not instep with the norm, that "Stand Your Ground" or any self-defense doesn't allow you to provoke an altercation and then hide behind it
castle doctrine is pretty much same in states like tx and fl. florida was actually one of the first states to adopt it.
just no duty to retreat if threatened in a life/death situation or somebody else is in danger of death. but in no way does that give you permission to look for trouble so you say you were threatened and shoot somebody.
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guess what guys! being freaked out by some guy following you isn't a license to beat them up either!
I think I'd prefer two individual charges of harassment and battery to one count of murder.
Accept that's not what Zimmerman alleges according to the police report. He claims that Martin beat him while he cried for help and the report cites eye witnesses corroborating this. That's not battery.
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Annoying that folk are still hating on the stimulus.
WASHINGTON — The Treasury Department announced on Monday that it had finished selling the $225 billion in mortgage-backed securities it bought to help stabilize the markets during the worst of the financial crisis. The government ended up making a $25 billion profit on the securities, which are guaranteed by Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, the government-owned mortgage finance companies. The profit came from interest payments, principal and rising prices for the securities, the department said.
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That is not self defense.
That is not manslaughter.
That is murder.
Arrest that fucker, indict him, send him to jail, then get every hospital chasing asshole without a conscience and a hunger for publicity the fuck out of my city.
"and if he beat me up it's because he was probably freaked the fuck out because it's getting dark and some weirdo was following him in a car and then got out and confronted him so i shot him"
The police report cites Zimmerman's claim is that he got out of the car, went to follow Martin, lost sight of him, and then went back to his car. Then he alleges Marin caught up with him, they exchanged words, and then Martin attacked.
the "turning to return to his car" bit is Zimmerman's story, it's not on the tapes or corroborated by any witnesses I know of
although I don't believe the 911 tapes say anything about him getting out of his truck either
I think I'd prefer two individual charges of harassment and battery to one count of murder.
http://articles.nydailynews.com/2012-03-20/news/31217172_1_teen-girl-abc-news-phone-logs
people who advertise their stupid fucking tumblr in every post they make your username is right there and clickable boho-chic fuck you
I'm not involved as in attending council meetings or campaigning but I follow what's going on and try to vote in the best interest of the city, county and state.
I haven't heard the tapes and I certainly don't know enough to support Zimmerman but use your head for a second. Racial epithets or not what Zimmerman is alleging is aggravated assault and possibly attempted manslaughter. There's a bit of a difference between beating someone up for running their mouth and sucker-punching someone and then proceeding to pound their head against the pavement.
same here
if im right though you guys owe me a fiver right
done arguing about this
In my ideal world there would be a thousand Jack McCoys.
:^:
ten thousand lenny bricoes
peasants
bloody peasants
My one complaint about his run on the show, not a complaint about him, but about plot devices used in the writing. The vast overuse of motion to suppress.
hi5 for civic responsibility
I think my real only complain is that Jack McCoy a lot of times is super unethical to the point where he isn't about serving justice, he's about winning.
Which I think makes him an even better character but the guy does some really shady stuff to win cases.
Involved in any sort of voting bloc, politically active group or anything like that?
The number of active young people in these kinda groups has tanked. Went to see our local Fabian society and the youngest person that wasn't there with me was around 50
i always remember that russian mafia episode where he defied habeas corpus all the way up to the highest state court
Jack McCoy: the worst lawyer or the best
This survey was conducted by telephone within the United States by Harris Interactive on behalf of the California Academy of Sciences between December 17 and December 21, 2008 among 1,002 adults ages 18+.
a nation of idiots...represented by 1002 people
Hmm, a leak from the police department that did a piss-poor job of any manner of initial investigation? No thanks.
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http://newyork.cbslocal.com/2012/03/19/bloomberg-strikes-again-nyc-bans-food-donations-to-the-homeless/
OMG. I'm at work so there's no sound but I think that may make it better.
castle doctrine is pretty much same in states like tx and fl. florida was actually one of the first states to adopt it.
just no duty to retreat if threatened in a life/death situation or somebody else is in danger of death. but in no way does that give you permission to look for trouble so you say you were threatened and shoot somebody.
Is CPR normally applied when the victim has a bullet wound in the chest?
Accept that's not what Zimmerman alleges according to the police report. He claims that Martin beat him while he cried for help and the report cites eye witnesses corroborating this. That's not battery.
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/03/20/business/us-completes-sale-of-mortgage-backed-securities.html?_r=2&pagewanted=all