I still don't like his "I think of Sakarrans as 'paper people'" line; it's not literal, and it comes well before he "mastered" the "finger across the throat" "metaphor."
These are just nitpicks. The Gamora thing can be fixed in the next movie, and the Drax issue is such a minor thing that only bothers me because I have an English degree.
Eh, I'm gonna chalk it up as them being fine with analogies.
He thinks of them as "paper people" because he probably crushes them as if they were paper, so it's a descriptive thing. The "finger across the throat" is one statement representing something completely different, so he has problems with it.
If Tony Stark ever joins the Guardians, I want it to be subtitled "Stark Trek"
Quill : oh man, I totally get it! Wasn't Kirk the best?
Stark: I'm more of a Sisko fan.
Quill: WHO??
End credits: Quill and Rogers watching DS9
This needs to be in the exact same voice as Korath going "Who?!" in the temple
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Guys.
Just saw Guardians for the second time, on sunday.
Obviously there's a lot to love in this movie, but something minor clicked into my head that I really liked and I don't know how obvious it was to anyone else, so I'll just leave this here:
When Yondu is in his ship at the end and his men are carousing about and Yondu opens the container and the troll pops out, he smiles not just because Quill pulled another one over on him like a true Ravager should, but that troll is PERFECT for his console with all the other little guys he's stuck on there.
Just saw Guardians for the second time, on sunday.
Obviously there's a lot to love in this movie, but something minor clicked into my head that I really liked and I don't know how obvious it was to anyone else, so I'll just leave this here:
When Yondu is in his ship at the end and his men are carousing about and Yondu opens the container and the troll pops out, he smiles not just because Quill pulled another one over on him like a true Ravager should, but that troll is PERFECT for his console with all the other little guys he's stuck on there.
And, for the record, I also believe
he is Quill's father.
I'd almost say it was an intentional 'trolling' on Quill's part, but he wouldn't have known the phrase.
And if he is Quill's father, they were just being needlessly obscure to cover it up, including him calling himself a jackass.
And unless he's a shapeshifter, it's hard to see how Quill's mom could say he looks anything like his father.
Gamora pretty much got stuck being the Straight Man for this one.
They could tone that down in the next one, but they'll still need someone to fill that role.
There's no reason that Gamora can't keep being a straight man (though the self-serious Adam warlock would work well in this role as well), but they do need to give her some more distinguishing characteristics outside of that.
She's heroic, vengeful, knowledgeable, and skilled. She had plenty of character in the movie, it was just tilted more towards following Quill because he's our lead-in character.
Gamora pretty much got stuck being the Straight Man for this one.
They could tone that down in the next one, but they'll still need someone to fill that role.
There's no reason that Gamora can't keep being a straight man (though the self-serious Adam warlock would work well in this role as well), but they do need to give her some more distinguishing characteristics outside of that.
She's heroic, vengeful, knowledgeable, and skilled. She had plenty of character in the movie, it was just tilted more towards following Quill because he's our lead-in character.
I didn't find she had any character. She's the generic strong female that is so common in action/adventure movies these days. The other characters have weird quirks, while she is very robotic in comparison.
Gamora pretty much got stuck being the Straight Man for this one.
They could tone that down in the next one, but they'll still need someone to fill that role.
There's no reason that Gamora can't keep being a straight man (though the self-serious Adam warlock would work well in this role as well), but they do need to give her some more distinguishing characteristics outside of that.
She's heroic, vengeful, knowledgeable, and skilled. She had plenty of character in the movie, it was just tilted more towards following Quill because he's our lead-in character.
I didn't find she had any character. She's the generic strong female that is so common in action/adventure movies these days. The other characters have weird quirks, while she is very robotic in comparison.
She's just bland in comparison to the rest of the cast. She's competent and all that but doesn't have a great hook really. Her big thing is who her "father" is and that doesn't amount to much new or interesting.
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I also felt she veered a little too close to the old "den mother" cliche, since she was largely the most serious and mission oriented character who sort of had to babysit a bunch of silly manchildren in the form of the others. We get a few lines about her tragic backstory and her desire for vengeance/justice, but those moments are fleeting.
Because if you're going to attempt to squeeze that big black monster into your slot you will need to be able to take at least 12 inches or else you're going to have a bad time...
Gamora pretty much got stuck being the Straight Man for this one.
They could tone that down in the next one, but they'll still need someone to fill that role.
There's no reason that Gamora can't keep being a straight man (though the self-serious Adam warlock would work well in this role as well), but they do need to give her some more distinguishing characteristics outside of that.
She's heroic, vengeful, knowledgeable, and skilled. She had plenty of character in the movie, it was just tilted more towards following Quill because he's our lead-in character.
I didn't find she had any character. She's the generic strong female that is so common in action/adventure movies these days. The other characters have weird quirks, while she is very robotic in comparison.
She's the only one in the group trying to get them to save everyone. She has the most knowledge of what's going on, and has the only turn in the movie. She isn't as open and talkative as Quill, but that's kind of the way the two characters are. Even in the comics Quill wears his heart on his sleeve and Gamora is very much a closed-off person. However, a closed-off character is still a character, it just isn't one who expositions a lot in dialog. Her character is explained in her actions, reactions, body language, ect.
I still don't like his "I think of Sakarrans as 'paper people'" line; it's not literal, and it comes well before he "mastered" the "finger across the throat" "metaphor."
These are just nitpicks. The Gamora thing can be fixed in the next movie, and the Drax issue is such a minor thing that only bothers me because I have an English degree.
Eh, I'm gonna chalk it up as them being fine with analogies.
He thinks of them as "paper people" because he probably crushes them as if they were paper, so it's a descriptive thing. The "finger across the throat" is one statement representing something completely different, so he has problems with it.
It's subtle, but I'll take it.
Technically "as paper people" would be a simile. Not a metaphor.
Gamora pretty much got stuck being the Straight Man for this one.
They could tone that down in the next one, but they'll still need someone to fill that role.
There's no reason that Gamora can't keep being a straight man (though the self-serious Adam warlock would work well in this role as well), but they do need to give her some more distinguishing characteristics outside of that.
She's heroic, vengeful, knowledgeable, and skilled. She had plenty of character in the movie, it was just tilted more towards following Quill because he's our lead-in character.
I didn't find she had any character. She's the generic strong female that is so common in action/adventure movies these days. The other characters have weird quirks, while she is very robotic in comparison.
She's the only one in the group trying to get them to save everyone. She has the most knowledge of what's going on, and has the only turn in the movie. She isn't as open and talkative as Quill, but that's kind of the way the two characters are. Even in the comics Quill wears his heart on his sleeve and Gamora is very much a closed-off person. However, a closed-off character is still a character, it just isn't one who expositions a lot in dialog. Her character is explained in her actions, reactions, body language, ect.
Gamora wasn't closed off in the movie, she was one of the most open and rational on the team. For someone with such a dark past she was much too happy in personality too, as opposed to everybody else - excluding Quill, who became an overgrown man-child. Nebula had the proper attitude I'd expect for someone
having their family and planet murdered by Thanos and forced into being his assassin.
Gamora suffered for being the least ridiculous of the main cast.
She did kind of feel like a vehicle for Quinn and the audience to normalize to the weirdness of the setting, through their sort-of romance as something more typical of a big adventure movie.
But she's also the only reason the universe isn't currently exploding planet-by-planet.
Gamora suffered for being the least ridiculous of the main cast.
She did kind of feel like a vehicle for Quinn and the audience to normalize to the weirdness of the setting, through their sort-of romance as something more typical of a big adventure movie.
But she's also the only reason the universe isn't currently exploding planet-by-planet.
They needed a sixth member for that purpose. It deflated Gamora's tragic past making her the normal one, and they didn't do enough with her demeanor to show she was the most dangerous assassin in the universe. Drax earned that title more than she did.
Gamora suffered for being the least ridiculous of the main cast.
She did kind of feel like a vehicle for Quinn and the audience to normalize to the weirdness of the setting, through their sort-of romance as something more typical of a big adventure movie.
But she's also the only reason the universe isn't currently exploding planet-by-planet.
They needed a sixth member for that purpose. It deflated Gamora's tragic past making her the normal one, and they didn't do enough with her demeanor to show she was the most dangerous assassin in the universe. Drax earned that title more than she did.
She needed an early scene to really establish her bad assery. Her problem is her first action scene is against the main cast so she can't be too bad ass, though she definitely comes across as competent, but not most deadly woman in the universe. It'd be a bit like if Quill didn't have his opening scene.
and our first introduction to him was getting thrown in a bag by random wildlife and a tree man.
Really if they could have added a minute or two to the prison scene and have Gamora fuck the ever living hell up out of the initial nameless prisoners who try and shank her (or even just use her reputation to talk them down) and then have Drax show up and things get serious it would have worked better for her. It also would have fucked up Quill's protecting her impulse thing a bit though.
Gamora suffered for being the least ridiculous of the main cast.
She did kind of feel like a vehicle for Quinn and the audience to normalize to the weirdness of the setting, through their sort-of romance as something more typical of a big adventure movie.
But she's also the only reason the universe isn't currently exploding planet-by-planet.
They needed a sixth member for that purpose. It deflated Gamora's tragic past making her the normal one, and they didn't do enough with her demeanor to show she was the most dangerous assassin in the universe. Drax earned that title more than she did.
She needed an early scene to really establish her bad assery. Her problem is her first action scene is against the main cast so she can't be too bad ass, though she definitely comes across as competent, but not most deadly woman in the universe. It'd be a bit like if Quill didn't have his opening scene.
and our first introduction to him was getting thrown in a bag by random wildlife and a tree man.
Really if they could have added a minute or two to the prison scene and have Gamora fuck the ever living hell up out of the initial nameless prisoners who try and shank her (or even just use her reputation to talk them down) and then have Drax show up and things get serious it would have worked better for her. It also would have fucked up Quill's protecting her impulse thing a bit though.
That and they made her have a darker, more serious personality like Black Widow had.
Gamora suffered for being the least ridiculous of the main cast.
She did kind of feel like a vehicle for Quinn and the audience to normalize to the weirdness of the setting, through their sort-of romance as something more typical of a big adventure movie.
But she's also the only reason the universe isn't currently exploding planet-by-planet.
They needed a sixth member for that purpose. It deflated Gamora's tragic past making her the normal one, and they didn't do enough with her demeanor to show she was the most dangerous assassin in the universe. Drax earned that title more than she did.
She needed an early scene to really establish her bad assery. Her problem is her first action scene is against the main cast so she can't be too bad ass, though she definitely comes across as competent, but not most deadly woman in the universe. It'd be a bit like if Quill didn't have his opening scene.
and our first introduction to him was getting thrown in a bag by random wildlife and a tree man.
Really if they could have added a minute or two to the prison scene and have Gamora fuck the ever living hell up out of the initial nameless prisoners who try and shank her (or even just use her reputation to talk them down) and then have Drax show up and things get serious it would have worked better for her. It also would have fucked up Quill's protecting her impulse thing a bit though.
I really think they bungled the prison scene.
They tried to give gamora a little bit of badassness by having her turn the tables on the first two would be attackers, but it wasn't enough and is completely undone by her being apparently outmatched by drax a few moments later. It's to many failures to soon into meeting her for the title of most feared assassin to really stick. But I feel like there was a great opportunity there.
In my perfect version, when quill shows up Gamora has already fucked up a bunch of dudes but was clearly still in trouble due to still being vastly outnumbered. Having other bad guys already dispatched really jacks up her awesomeness level without sacrificing basically any screen time. Then you have Quill trying to calm things down and Drax showing up as apparently the most feared currently in the prison. Cue quick fight scene between Gamora and Drax where neither seems to win and quill manages to halt things at a draw position. Then you have quill seem to talk Gamora down, only for Drax to take advantage of her backing down to get the upper hand. Cue final scene where Quill convinces Drax that he's better off letting her live to get his real revenge against Ronan.
In my version you really get the feeling that Gamora is one of, if not the best fighter. You also start to get a glimpse that maybe she isn't just a killing machine as she backs down first even though it's a dangerous move and results in Drax getting the upper hand. Which has the side benefit of putting her in real peril without having to make her lose a fight and seem less badass. Then you still get Quill as sort of the moderator with a hero complex, who gives Drax a compelling reason to not only spare Gamora but team up with her. Much better all around.
"The world is a mess, and I just need to rule it" - Dr Horrible
Just saw Guardians for the second time, on sunday.
Obviously there's a lot to love in this movie, but something minor clicked into my head that I really liked and I don't know how obvious it was to anyone else, so I'll just leave this here:
When Yondu is in his ship at the end and his men are carousing about and Yondu opens the container and the troll pops out, he smiles not just because Quill pulled another one over on him like a true Ravager should, but that troll is PERFECT for his console with all the other little guys he's stuck on there.
And, for the record, I also believe
he is Quill's father.
I'd almost say it was an intentional 'trolling' on Quill's part, but he wouldn't have known the phrase.
And if he is Quill's father, they were just being needlessly obscure to cover it up, including him calling himself a jackass.
And unless he's a shapeshifter, it's hard to see how Quill's mom could say he looks anything like his father.
It's like this, see.
Why would the Ravagers agree to a job they hate, and not only not do it, but spend decades with no reprisal?
Why does Yondu like Quill so much, more than he can admit to his crew without appearing soft and a weak leader?
Mostly, though it was one of the last lines Yondu says in the movie: I may be as pretty as an angel but I sure ain't one.
It really makes me wonder what Yondu looked like all those years ago...no silver in his teeth, no facial scars...
I just like the idea of this being some kind of long con Yondu has where he doesn't want to tip his hand that he's been grooming his son to take his place running the Ravagers-albeit if he happens to be clever and sneaky enough.
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I would be totally fine with that reveal, because it would be a lot better than just bringing Spartax into the mix, just another dumb alien species.
The MCU has stupid LMDs, I am perfectly ok with them having image inducers or whatever Yondu would need to hide his skin to woo Mrs. Quill.
Or maybe Quill's mom dying is what made him so blue! That's an emotional angle you never thought of!
And come on, Quill! Magic Arrow! It makes sense people!
What's the story with the goo pit he emerges from? And then he's seen pouring blood(?) into the crevices on it?
Is it some Kree cultural thing, and meant to be a big moment when he later wrecks it with the power surge from grabbing the Infinity Stone?
Regarding the pit:
I think that the audience is supposed to initially just think "huh, strange black alien fluid, whatever." And then later go "oh shit, he literally sleeps in the blood of his enemies."
Civics is not a consumer product that you can ignore because you don’t like the options presented.
Importantly, Gunn had a major revelation for fans trying to work out who Peter Quill's father might be. "It’s definitely not the character who it is in the comics, I’ll say that much."
MuddBudd on
There's no plan, there's no race to be run
The harder the rain, honey, the sweeter the sun.
Importantly, Gunn had a major revelation for fans trying to work out who Peter Quill's father might be. "It’s definitely not the character who it is in the comics, I’ll say that much."
I think it will be
Beyonder
and a weird play on
Secret Wars without the non-MCU characters being replaced with people like GoG and Falcon etc.
Importantly, Gunn had a major revelation for fans trying to work out who Peter Quill's father might be. "It’s definitely not the character who it is in the comics, I’ll say that much."
I think it will be
Beyonder
and a weird play on
Secret Wars without the non-MCU characters being replaced with people like GoG and Falcon etc.
I would be totally fine with that reveal, because it would be a lot better than just bringing Spartax into the mix, just another dumb alien species.
The MCU has stupid LMDs, I am perfectly ok with them having image inducers or whatever Yondu would need to hide his skin to woo Mrs. Quill.
The MCU has LMDs? Since when?
Agents of SHIELD. Probably. Of course, the catch is they all look like Patton Oswalt.
Also, why the hell would Yondu talk about Pete's dad in the third person if he was him? That's one of the bullshitest of twists, the one where the character is lying exclusively for the benefit of the audience. And that's on top of Yondu not being a being of pure light, not having any special qualities that would qualify him as something strange and ancient, not being something the Nova corps has never seen before...
He's a foster father for Quill. That kind of relationship doesn't require blood.
I would be totally fine with that reveal, because it would be a lot better than just bringing Spartax into the mix, just another dumb alien species.
The MCU has stupid LMDs, I am perfectly ok with them having image inducers or whatever Yondu would need to hide his skin to woo Mrs. Quill.
The MCU has LMDs? Since when?
Well, Tony mentions them in Avengers. Mockingly, so it might be something he made up on the spot and eventually creates. Or it could be an actual thing he knows about.
There's no plan, there's no race to be run
The harder the rain, honey, the sweeter the sun.
Just saw Guardians for the second time, on sunday.
Obviously there's a lot to love in this movie, but something minor clicked into my head that I really liked and I don't know how obvious it was to anyone else, so I'll just leave this here:
When Yondu is in his ship at the end and his men are carousing about and Yondu opens the container and the troll pops out, he smiles not just because Quill pulled another one over on him like a true Ravager should, but that troll is PERFECT for his console with all the other little guys he's stuck on there.
And, for the record, I also believe
he is Quill's father.
I'd almost say it was an intentional 'trolling' on Quill's part, but he wouldn't have known the phrase.
And if he is Quill's father, they were just being needlessly obscure to cover it up, including him calling himself a jackass.
And unless he's a shapeshifter, it's hard to see how Quill's mom could say he looks anything like his father.
I think it's more likely that stuff hung around from previous scripts where that was the case, and the dialog line he says right before jackass didnt get much scrutiny.
Not sure exactly which of the 3-4 possible threads this belongs into so I'll just post it here.
Bought + watched The Amazing Spider-Man 2 today.
The good:
- Electro visual/audio design; Any fight with Electro
- One of the better Spider-Man portrayals in terms of fighting style/battle moves
- Stan Lee
The bad:
- Peter/Gwen relationship. TOO FUCKING MUCH OF IT. And even then they didn't get it right - one of the first things they do is revert their status BACK to what it was before the ending of ASM 1. Why? I have no idea. It doesn't really serve any purpose and they get back together anyways...I'd rather have fewer depictions of their relationship, and then show that it's working out. For once, the scenes where they get along and no drama is shoehorned in are infinitely better than those where they are breaking up for the 3rd time. Second, this would give more impact to her death later
- It's explained why Spider-Man's blood could potentially cure Harry. Why on earth does he assume that the Spider's venom would have the same/a similar effect? Explanation?!
- What does the Spider-Venom actually DO?! It seems to transform him into the Green Goblin. Does it make him stronger? That's a big part of the Green Goblin transformation in literally ANY other adaption. Explanation of the transformation effects?! And why does it accellerate his disease?
- The suit Harry puts on goes into "healing" mode as it detects injuries on Harry. Why is that part of a scene? Do I need to know that? Does it just heal the cuts Harry received? Does it heal his sickness? Explanation?!
- Spider-Man's portrayal: Spider-Man is supposed to be funny (usually in a bad way, making un-funny jokes and puns) to deal with his fear; He's definitely NOT supposed to 1. be a reckless asshole and 2. be completely unfunny.
- Rhino. Do I even have to say anything? CinemaSins summed it up pretty perfectly with "(Insert Rhino guy's name here) doesn't realize he's not in a cartoon". You can't take him seriously, you can't laugh about him...bad adaption is bad.
- Is Harry cured at the end? How? What's his goal now? Kill Spider-Man? Why does he create new Supervillians?
Not sure exactly which of the 3-4 possible threads this belongs into so I'll just post it here.
Bought + watched The Amazing Spider-Man 2 today.
The good:
- Electro visual/audio design; Any fight with Electro
- One of the better Spider-Man portrayals in terms of fighting style/battle moves
- Stan Lee
The bad:
- Peter/Gwen relationship. TOO FUCKING MUCH OF IT. And even then they didn't get it right - one of the first things they do is revert their status BACK to what it was before the ending of ASM 1. Why? I have no idea. It doesn't really serve any purpose and they get back together anyways...I'd rather have fewer depictions of their relationship, and then show that it's working out. For once, the scenes where they get along and no drama is shoehorned in are infinitely better than those where they are breaking up for the 3rd time. Second, this would give more impact to her death later
- It's explained why Spider-Man's blood could potentially cure Harry. Why on earth does he assume that the Spider's venom would have the same/a similar effect? Explanation?!
- What does the Spider-Venom actually DO?! It seems to transform him into the Green Goblin. Does it make him stronger? That's a big part of the Green Goblin transformation in literally ANY other adaption. Explanation of the transformation effects?! And why does it accellerate his disease?
- The suit Harry puts on goes into "healing" mode as it detects injuries on Harry. Why is that part of a scene? Do I need to know that? Does it just heal the cuts Harry received? Does it heal his sickness? Explanation?!
- Spider-Man's portrayal: Spider-Man is supposed to be funny (usually in a bad way, making un-funny jokes and puns) to deal with his fear; He's definitely NOT supposed to 1. be a reckless asshole and 2. be completely unfunny.
- Rhino. Do I even have to say anything? CinemaSins summed it up pretty perfectly with "(Insert Rhino guy's name here) doesn't realize he's not in a cartoon". You can't take him seriously, you can't laugh about him...bad adaption is bad.
- Is Harry cured at the end? How? What's his goal now? Kill Spider-Man? Why does he create new Supervillians?
I believe ASM2 had its own thread, or was just in the general movie thread. This thread is for good movies movies specifically set in Marvel's Cinematic Universe (made by Marvel/Disney), only.
GOTG.....I spent months hoping this film would be good, because if it was bad, I didn't know how I would live with my self.......\
It was better than good, it was great, have already seen it twice. Some people are even saying that it could be this generation's Star Wars.
I can see that, of course we'd need Richard Ryder/Nova along as a sort of Luke figure (and to give Gamora an genuine love interest, as I don't see her and Peter that way.) Strangely enough, I had a further thought on this. I'm certain that Glenn Close will no be returning for the sequel (I believe hearing that she only did this role to get another one). Who would be the new Nova Prime?
This will sound crazy, but I love it for some reason.....How about Mark Hamill?
GOTG.....I spent months hoping this film would be good, because if it was bad, I didn't know how I would live with my self.......\
It was better than good, it was great, have already seen it twice. Some people are even saying that it could be this generation's Star Wars.
I can see that, of course we'd need Richard Ryder/Nova along as a sort of Luke figure (and to give Gamora an genuine love interest, as I don't see her and Peter that way.) Strangely enough, I had a further thought on this. I'm certain that Glenn Close will no be returning for the sequel (I believe hearing that she only did this role to get another one). Who would be the new Nova Prime?
This will sound crazy, but I love it for some reason.....How about Mark Hamill?
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It's subtle, but I'll take it.
Quill : oh man, I totally get it! Wasn't Kirk the best?
Stark: I'm more of a Sisko fan.
Quill: WHO??
This needs to be in the exact same voice as Korath going "Who?!" in the temple
Just saw Guardians for the second time, on sunday.
Obviously there's a lot to love in this movie, but something minor clicked into my head that I really liked and I don't know how obvious it was to anyone else, so I'll just leave this here:
And, for the record, I also believe
And if he is Quill's father, they were just being needlessly obscure to cover it up, including him calling himself a jackass.
And unless he's a shapeshifter, it's hard to see how Quill's mom could say he looks anything like his father.
She's heroic, vengeful, knowledgeable, and skilled. She had plenty of character in the movie, it was just tilted more towards following Quill because he's our lead-in character.
I didn't find she had any character. She's the generic strong female that is so common in action/adventure movies these days. The other characters have weird quirks, while she is very robotic in comparison.
She's just bland in comparison to the rest of the cast. She's competent and all that but doesn't have a great hook really. Her big thing is who her "father" is and that doesn't amount to much new or interesting.
She's the only one in the group trying to get them to save everyone. She has the most knowledge of what's going on, and has the only turn in the movie. She isn't as open and talkative as Quill, but that's kind of the way the two characters are. Even in the comics Quill wears his heart on his sleeve and Gamora is very much a closed-off person. However, a closed-off character is still a character, it just isn't one who expositions a lot in dialog. Her character is explained in her actions, reactions, body language, ect.
I'm watching it tomorrow, german dub version this time
Wonder how they translated
Technically "as paper people" would be a simile. Not a metaphor.
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Gamora wasn't closed off in the movie, she was one of the most open and rational on the team. For someone with such a dark past she was much too happy in personality too, as opposed to everybody else - excluding Quill, who became an overgrown man-child. Nebula had the proper attitude I'd expect for someone
She did kind of feel like a vehicle for Quinn and the audience to normalize to the weirdness of the setting, through their sort-of romance as something more typical of a big adventure movie.
But she's also the only reason the universe isn't currently exploding planet-by-planet.
They tried to bury us. They didn't know that we were seeds. 2018 Midterms. Get your shit together.
They needed a sixth member for that purpose. It deflated Gamora's tragic past making her the normal one, and they didn't do enough with her demeanor to show she was the most dangerous assassin in the universe. Drax earned that title more than she did.
She needed an early scene to really establish her bad assery. Her problem is her first action scene is against the main cast so she can't be too bad ass, though she definitely comes across as competent, but not most deadly woman in the universe. It'd be a bit like if Quill didn't have his opening scene.
Really if they could have added a minute or two to the prison scene and have Gamora fuck the ever living hell up out of the initial nameless prisoners who try and shank her (or even just use her reputation to talk them down) and then have Drax show up and things get serious it would have worked better for her. It also would have fucked up Quill's protecting her impulse thing a bit though.
That and they made her have a darker, more serious personality like Black Widow had.
They tried to bury us. They didn't know that we were seeds. 2018 Midterms. Get your shit together.
I really think they bungled the prison scene.
In my perfect version, when quill shows up Gamora has already fucked up a bunch of dudes but was clearly still in trouble due to still being vastly outnumbered. Having other bad guys already dispatched really jacks up her awesomeness level without sacrificing basically any screen time. Then you have Quill trying to calm things down and Drax showing up as apparently the most feared currently in the prison. Cue quick fight scene between Gamora and Drax where neither seems to win and quill manages to halt things at a draw position. Then you have quill seem to talk Gamora down, only for Drax to take advantage of her backing down to get the upper hand. Cue final scene where Quill convinces Drax that he's better off letting her live to get his real revenge against Ronan.
In my version you really get the feeling that Gamora is one of, if not the best fighter. You also start to get a glimpse that maybe she isn't just a killing machine as she backs down first even though it's a dangerous move and results in Drax getting the upper hand. Which has the side benefit of putting her in real peril without having to make her lose a fight and seem less badass. Then you still get Quill as sort of the moderator with a hero complex, who gives Drax a compelling reason to not only spare Gamora but team up with her. Much better all around.
"Oh shit, she's not trapped in here with us, we're trapped in here with her."
Edit: damned right, Geth.
Edit 2: and now Geth is gone. Truly, Geth works in mysterious ways.
Edit 3: and now Geth is back. O.O
The harder the rain, honey, the sweeter the sun.
It's like this, see.
Why does Yondu like Quill so much, more than he can admit to his crew without appearing soft and a weak leader?
Mostly, though it was one of the last lines Yondu says in the movie: I may be as pretty as an angel but I sure ain't one.
It really makes me wonder what Yondu looked like all those years ago...no silver in his teeth, no facial scars...
I just like the idea of this being some kind of long con Yondu has where he doesn't want to tip his hand that he's been grooming his son to take his place running the Ravagers-albeit if he happens to be clever and sneaky enough.
Or maybe Quill's mom dying is what made him so blue! That's an emotional angle you never thought of!
And come on, Quill! Magic Arrow! It makes sense people!
Is it some Kree cultural thing, and meant to be a big moment when he later wrecks it with the power surge from grabbing the Infinity Stone?
Regarding the pit:
I'm pretty sure it's been confirmed the Jason won't be his father. Checking....
Yup
http://www.empireonline.com/news/story.asp?NID=41888
The harder the rain, honey, the sweeter the sun.
I think it will be
Also, why the hell would Yondu talk about Pete's dad in the third person if he was him? That's one of the bullshitest of twists, the one where the character is lying exclusively for the benefit of the audience. And that's on top of Yondu not being a being of pure light, not having any special qualities that would qualify him as something strange and ancient, not being something the Nova corps has never seen before...
He's a foster father for Quill. That kind of relationship doesn't require blood.
Why I fear the ocean.
Well, Tony mentions them in Avengers. Mockingly, so it might be something he made up on the spot and eventually creates. Or it could be an actual thing he knows about.
The harder the rain, honey, the sweeter the sun.
I think it's more likely that stuff hung around from previous scripts where that was the case, and the dialog line he says right before jackass didnt get much scrutiny.
Bought + watched The Amazing Spider-Man 2 today.
- Electro visual/audio design; Any fight with Electro
- One of the better Spider-Man portrayals in terms of fighting style/battle moves
- Stan Lee
The bad:
- Peter/Gwen relationship. TOO FUCKING MUCH OF IT. And even then they didn't get it right - one of the first things they do is revert their status BACK to what it was before the ending of ASM 1. Why? I have no idea. It doesn't really serve any purpose and they get back together anyways...I'd rather have fewer depictions of their relationship, and then show that it's working out. For once, the scenes where they get along and no drama is shoehorned in are infinitely better than those where they are breaking up for the 3rd time. Second, this would give more impact to her death later
- It's explained why Spider-Man's blood could potentially cure Harry. Why on earth does he assume that the Spider's venom would have the same/a similar effect? Explanation?!
- What does the Spider-Venom actually DO?! It seems to transform him into the Green Goblin. Does it make him stronger? That's a big part of the Green Goblin transformation in literally ANY other adaption. Explanation of the transformation effects?! And why does it accellerate his disease?
- The suit Harry puts on goes into "healing" mode as it detects injuries on Harry. Why is that part of a scene? Do I need to know that? Does it just heal the cuts Harry received? Does it heal his sickness? Explanation?!
- Spider-Man's portrayal: Spider-Man is supposed to be funny (usually in a bad way, making un-funny jokes and puns) to deal with his fear; He's definitely NOT supposed to 1. be a reckless asshole and 2. be completely unfunny.
- Rhino. Do I even have to say anything? CinemaSins summed it up pretty perfectly with "(Insert Rhino guy's name here) doesn't realize he's not in a cartoon". You can't take him seriously, you can't laugh about him...bad adaption is bad.
- Is Harry cured at the end? How? What's his goal now? Kill Spider-Man? Why does he create new Supervillians?
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I believe ASM2 had its own thread, or was just in the general movie thread. This thread is for good movies movies specifically set in Marvel's Cinematic Universe (made by Marvel/Disney), only.
It was better than good, it was great, have already seen it twice. Some people are even saying that it could be this generation's Star Wars.
I can see that, of course we'd need Richard Ryder/Nova along as a sort of Luke figure (and to give Gamora an genuine love interest, as I don't see her and Peter that way.) Strangely enough, I had a further thought on this. I'm certain that Glenn Close will no be returning for the sequel (I believe hearing that she only did this role to get another one). Who would be the new Nova Prime?
This will sound crazy, but I love it for some reason.....How about Mark Hamill?
That makes her easier to be bought back.
The harder the rain, honey, the sweeter the sun.