Sheamus manages to somehow be blander than Cena, which is a hell of a goddamn feat to accomplish. Even his heel turn has been forgettable and boring. He's the worst choice as champion. May his reign be short and as unremarkable as everything else he's done.
Sheamus and Cena have consistently delivered good wrestling for years.
If the only pre-requisite was being a good wrestler, Lance Storm would be the biggest name there is.
Hey, now the option's still open for 2-time Rumble winner Roman Reigns, so the crowd can really shit on him.
I don't know how anyone can think Brock isn't winning the Rumble. And that Roman isn't getting the title back at or before the Rumble.
Rampant pessimism, mostly.
No way are they dragging the payoff of Roman getting his revenge as long as Bryan did. Roman vs Brock for the WWE WHT part 2 is the money match for Mania 32.
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not sure why I thought they weren't going to have sheamus walk out of here with the title aside from hoping they wouldn't do it because he's boring, but
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The one thing that didn't really track for me with the ending was Roman spearing HHH. Is the audience not supposed to think that Authority-HHH is petty enough to make Roman's life hell just for turning his back on him, what with springing Big Show on him for his first match for the same thing? Plus, it makes Roman out to be a bit of a dickhead. Maybe they're trying to make him seem like the hothead JBL says he is, or they're trying to recapture that Stone Cold magic again?
It'd be nice if Sheamus had a world title run that was
good
Seriously. Having that table win over Cena that got a complete nonreaction because everybody thought he botched, and then it went nowhere after the win; 18 Seconds; that time he won the belt and then seconds later ran away from the Nexus but no this time he's totally strong; and now cash-in after another bad MITB run including losses to Kalisto ("getting jiggy with it") and Ryback
I love Sheamus and want him to have a good looking title run for once. You'd think it'd be hard to fuck up 4 times
not sure why I thought they weren't going to have sheamus walk out of here with the title aside from hoping they wouldn't do it because he's boring, but
When he spent half the tag match getting clowned by Sin Cara, I had my doubts. But really, this was probably the best time to pull that trigger. This will keep him and Roman occupied until the Rumble, and they can finish that with a stare down between Roman and let's say, Chad Gable.
Sheamus manages to somehow be blander than Cena, which is a hell of a goddamn feat to accomplish. Even his heel turn has been forgettable and boring. He's the worst choice as champion. May his reign be short and as unremarkable as everything else he's done.
Sheamus and Cena have consistently delivered good wrestling for years.
If the only pre-requisite was being a good wrestler, Lance Storm would be the biggest name there is.
Lance Storm is criminally underrated and I would have fully supported a title run for him back in the day.
The one thing that didn't really track for me with the ending was Roman spearing HHH. Is the audience not supposed to think that Authority-HHH is petty enough to make Roman's life hell just for turning his back on him, what with springing Big Show on him for his first match for the same thing? Plus, it makes Roman out to be a bit of a dickhead. Maybe they're trying to make him seem like the hothead JBL says he is, or they're trying to recapture that Stone Cold magic again?
I figured it was more of a "I saw what you did to Bryan so I'ma just spear you and avoid the whole Pedigree thing." Didn't work out, but that's what it seemed like to me.
Sheamus should have never won the briefcase in the first place. It'd be nice if he had a solid title run but it's not in the cards.
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So trying to resolve my feelings about the result, and I know a lot of people are upset but for me personally, this is about the most palatable way to resolve two storylines I had major issues with.
I've not made much of a secret in the thread that I've had issues with how WWE has handled Roman pretty much since the breakup of the SHIELD. And little of that has been about Roman himself - at the start, I did have the attitude of feeling he wasn't ready for it, but even then it was more that I was angry at the WWE for not letting him have time to grow for his sake.
These days, he's become a very good performer in the ring (still iffy on the mic, but I blame a lot of that on the writers anyway), but I still have the same big issue: that it's been made too obvious that he is the "chosen one", to the point of telegraphing how every feud he's involved in will end and negating any legitimate suspense. There was nothing organic about it.
Now, I know I'm not the only one from whom the WWE earned a lot of good will when they had a semi-swerve with Seth cashing in and disrupting the "obvious" plan of making Roman champion when neither he nor the audience was ready for it. And especially in the aftermath, keeping him away from the title picture really gave him time to develop as a character and performer, and it was good for him and the audience alike. It really made it seem like he had begun to earn the spot - both in a kayfabe and meta sense.
I think if things had progressed as planned - that Seth hadn't gotten injured, and (presumably) Roman had eventually won the title from him - it would have been acceptable. Especially if he hadn't simply won the first bout, and had to continue chasing Seth - again, 'earning' it.
So in a sense I think this tournament undermined a lot of the good will that had been built up, just because it again completely exposed how obvious it was the WWE intended for him to be champ. I don't even blame anyone for this, it was bad luck that couldn't be planned for, but I think that it brought up a lot of vague resentments from a lot of people about how tunnel-visioned the WWE was on making Roman the man, especially as guys like, say, Owens or Cesaro have continued to establish themselves as guys worthy of being at the top.
Sheamus as MITB I have less developed thoughts about (also I'm getting super tired) but we all know how unpopular a choice that was, and again, at least for me personally, it wasn't so much "why Sheamus?" as "why not these other several guys?". So there's been a lot of frustration about that, especially as his character has languished since winning it.
So in a vacuum, Sheamus cashing in and winning the title tonight may not be ideal - either in my own opinion, or that of a lot of people.
But, I think the way these two stories intersects does a lot to mitigate the frustrations of both of them. The cashing in actually carried a lot of import, and it offset some of the frustrations about Roman being "anointed" without "paying his dues" - whether that's a fair assessment or not.
But also, like, this incarnation of Roman as face champion would have had very little direction. I think - like Bryan, actually, although I think they gravely mishandled how they went about it with him - he's probably better as someone chasing the top, rather than staying up there. At least as a face, and when it became clear they had no intention of turning him, or even really giving him character development, I think this might be the best solution to a lot of these issues.
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I get why they have Sheamus as Romans foil right now
Like I understand the logic behind the booking
But as a fan and a viewer that was just the most boring, disappointing climax to this whole goddamn already boring tournament
Not only did the entire tourney proceed exactly as everyone guessed (with Kalisto being the only exception), the final match between Roman and Dean was like 10 minutes long and had a super anticlimactic, shitty finish and then Sheamus cashes in and while I can like Sheamus sometimes I absolutely do not like him as Champ, especially right now when they could have done so many other more interesting things with the title vacation
I get why they have Sheamus as Romans foil right now
Like I understand the logic behind the booking
But as a fan and a viewer that was just the most boring, disappointing climax to this whole goddamn already boring tournament
Not only did the entire tourney proceed exactly as everyone guessed (with Kalisto being the only exception), the final match between Roman and Dean was like 10 minutes long and had a super anticlimactic, shitty finish and then Sheamus cashes in and while I can like Sheamus sometimes I absolutely do not like him as Champ, especially right now when they could have done so many other more interesting things with the title vacation
Like I'm not even mad I'm just bored
it was 7:36 and i went to go get my laundry out of the dryer and i came back and there was infinite confetti
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Sheamus lost tonight but he's been booked to mostly win since getting the briefcase, at least that's how I remember it.
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I don't know how anyone can think Brock isn't winning the Rumble. And that Roman isn't getting the title back at or before the Rumble.
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Rampant pessimism, mostly.
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Probably. This show thinks ZZ is a lot more interesting than he actually is.
No way are they dragging the payoff of Roman getting his revenge as long as Bryan did. Roman vs Brock for the WWE WHT part 2 is the money match for Mania 32.
perhaps he's TOO hype..
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Seriously. Having that table win over Cena that got a complete nonreaction because everybody thought he botched, and then it went nowhere after the win; 18 Seconds; that time he won the belt and then seconds later ran away from the Nexus but no this time he's totally strong; and now cash-in after another bad MITB run including losses to Kalisto ("getting jiggy with it") and Ryback
I love Sheamus and want him to have a good looking title run for once. You'd think it'd be hard to fuck up 4 times
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When he spent half the tag match getting clowned by Sin Cara, I had my doubts. But really, this was probably the best time to pull that trigger. This will keep him and Roman occupied until the Rumble, and they can finish that with a stare down between Roman and let's say, Chad Gable.
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I figured it was more of a "I saw what you did to Bryan so I'ma just spear you and avoid the whole Pedigree thing." Didn't work out, but that's what it seemed like to me.
I've not made much of a secret in the thread that I've had issues with how WWE has handled Roman pretty much since the breakup of the SHIELD. And little of that has been about Roman himself - at the start, I did have the attitude of feeling he wasn't ready for it, but even then it was more that I was angry at the WWE for not letting him have time to grow for his sake.
These days, he's become a very good performer in the ring (still iffy on the mic, but I blame a lot of that on the writers anyway), but I still have the same big issue: that it's been made too obvious that he is the "chosen one", to the point of telegraphing how every feud he's involved in will end and negating any legitimate suspense. There was nothing organic about it.
Now, I know I'm not the only one from whom the WWE earned a lot of good will when they had a semi-swerve with Seth cashing in and disrupting the "obvious" plan of making Roman champion when neither he nor the audience was ready for it. And especially in the aftermath, keeping him away from the title picture really gave him time to develop as a character and performer, and it was good for him and the audience alike. It really made it seem like he had begun to earn the spot - both in a kayfabe and meta sense.
I think if things had progressed as planned - that Seth hadn't gotten injured, and (presumably) Roman had eventually won the title from him - it would have been acceptable. Especially if he hadn't simply won the first bout, and had to continue chasing Seth - again, 'earning' it.
So in a sense I think this tournament undermined a lot of the good will that had been built up, just because it again completely exposed how obvious it was the WWE intended for him to be champ. I don't even blame anyone for this, it was bad luck that couldn't be planned for, but I think that it brought up a lot of vague resentments from a lot of people about how tunnel-visioned the WWE was on making Roman the man, especially as guys like, say, Owens or Cesaro have continued to establish themselves as guys worthy of being at the top.
Sheamus as MITB I have less developed thoughts about (also I'm getting super tired) but we all know how unpopular a choice that was, and again, at least for me personally, it wasn't so much "why Sheamus?" as "why not these other several guys?". So there's been a lot of frustration about that, especially as his character has languished since winning it.
So in a vacuum, Sheamus cashing in and winning the title tonight may not be ideal - either in my own opinion, or that of a lot of people.
But, I think the way these two stories intersects does a lot to mitigate the frustrations of both of them. The cashing in actually carried a lot of import, and it offset some of the frustrations about Roman being "anointed" without "paying his dues" - whether that's a fair assessment or not.
But also, like, this incarnation of Roman as face champion would have had very little direction. I think - like Bryan, actually, although I think they gravely mishandled how they went about it with him - he's probably better as someone chasing the top, rather than staying up there. At least as a face, and when it became clear they had no intention of turning him, or even really giving him character development, I think this might be the best solution to a lot of these issues.
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Alright, kinda working. Any matches on the Kickoff?
Like I understand the logic behind the booking
But as a fan and a viewer that was just the most boring, disappointing climax to this whole goddamn already boring tournament
Not only did the entire tourney proceed exactly as everyone guessed (with Kalisto being the only exception), the final match between Roman and Dean was like 10 minutes long and had a super anticlimactic, shitty finish and then Sheamus cashes in and while I can like Sheamus sometimes I absolutely do not like him as Champ, especially right now when they could have done so many other more interesting things with the title vacation
Like I'm not even mad I'm just bored
Oh god don't remind me. I'm so sad he never got his due.
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Lance Storm fucking ruled.
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We have his Zoolander avatar now, let's be thankful.
it was 7:36 and i went to go get my laundry out of the dryer and i came back and there was infinite confetti
and then sheamus
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Really
Really
Should not have agreed to do a drinking game with the PPV when I only had whiskey in my house.
My guts are deeply unhappy with me right now.
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