Munkus BeaverYou don't have to attend every argument you are invited to.Philosophy: Stoicism. Politics: Democratic SocialistRegistered User, ClubPAregular
I think the film's greatest strength is the casting. All the new actors are great and fit their characters just as perfectly as Patrick Stewart, James McAvoy, Ian McKellan, and Michael Fassbender. Jean, Scott, Nightcrawler, Storm, they're all great. The returning cast is great too, except for Jennifer Lawrence, who clearly didn't give a crap. Once again, Quicksilver was the highlight. Oscar Isaac gives a pretty good performance too even though the make up is so bad. He's a much more subdued and calculating villain rather than grandiose and boastful like in the X-Men cartoons. Unfortunately, the movie pretty much wasted Apocalypse.
It's just a real shame that they shoved way too much crap into the film and didn't give nearly enough time for the characters. In fact, I think this movie is pretty comparable to Age of Ultron. Even in that it's more like weekend of Apocalypse/Ultron instead of Age of Apocalypse/Ultron.
Despite the film's problems, I do think they've set the stage for much better sequels because the casting has been so strong. It would be great if the next film was more about the X-Men interacting with each other and finding creative ways to use their powers.
It occurred to me the other day that I don't actually remember anything about Days of Future Past outside of the Quicksilver scene (which is great)
It might be the most purely forgettable superhero movie I've seen
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WearingglassesOf the friendly neighborhood varietyRegistered Userregular
So I pretty much agree that the villains really need better characterisation. But which parts do we excise in order to make room for them?
- We can probably shorten the Wolverine Very Special Guest Scene. But that's a crowd pleaser.
- Quicksilver scene is also a crowd pleaser, but for some reason it went on a tad bit too long for me, personally.
- Shorten the ancient Egypt scenes? Conspirators can only nod at each other so many times.
- Moira scenes seem pretty essential to let Xavier and the Scooby Gang know what's going on, dunno how to take that out.
- I kinda like the Caliban scenes, but those didn't give Psylocke any character besides "sullen katana mutant".
Also, I pretty much wore out the only Apoc quote I know when telling my sister that he needs to be more... grandiose. Like so:
"I am the rocks of the eternal shore. Crash against me and be broken!"
this movie was okay. not great, but not really worth the shit some folks have been slinging it's way. it's probably the most "X-Men" movie yet, which is cool. Kurt was wonderful, Jean and Scott were solid, the "adults" were mostly cool. but man, there are also some big, big issues with the whole thing
how did Angel end up in a mutant fight club? why? and holy shit was he entirely wasted in this movie. as were Psylocke and Jubilee, for that matter, but at least they might show up again in the future. Angel, not so much.
and what the hell happened to the set up at the end of DoFP? that ended with Mystique as Stryker fishing Logan out of the river, implying things would be different, but there was Logan yet again a victim of the Weapon X program, with Stryker totally fine and not mentioning anything about Mystique impersonating him at all. it feels like they forgot how they ended their own movie
Oscar Isaac was super wasted under that awful, awful makeup and a boring villain. getting owned by the Phoenix was pretty cool, but it didn't earn the build-up
and for fuck's sake, you end the movie right as we get an actual team called the X-Men with actual costumes, in the friggin Danger Room, about to fight actual Sentinels? that's the fucking movie i wanna see, goddammit!
this movie was okay. not great, but not really worth the shit some folks have been slinging it's way. it's probably the most "X-Men" movie yet, which is cool. Kurt was wonderful, Jean and Scott were solid, the "adults" were mostly cool. but man, there are also some big, big issues with the whole thing
how did Angel end up in a mutant fight club? why? and holy shit was he entirely wasted in this movie. as were Psylocke and Jubilee, for that matter, but at least they might show up again in the future. Angel, not so much.
and what the hell happened to the set up at the end of DoFP? that ended with Mystique as Stryker fishing Logan out of the river, implying things would be different, but there was Logan yet again a victim of the Weapon X program, with Stryker totally fine and not mentioning anything about Mystique impersonating him at all. it feels like they forgot how they ended their own movie
Oscar Isaac was super wasted under that awful, awful makeup and a boring villain. getting owned by the Phoenix was pretty cool, but it didn't earn the build-up
and for fuck's sake, you end the movie right as we get an actual team called the X-Men with actual costumes, in the friggin Danger Room, about to fight actual Sentinels? that's the fucking movie i wanna see, goddammit!
Man and Cyclops outfit in that scene was fucking perfect too.
this movie was okay. not great, but not really worth the shit some folks have been slinging it's way. it's probably the most "X-Men" movie yet, which is cool. Kurt was wonderful, Jean and Scott were solid, the "adults" were mostly cool. but man, there are also some big, big issues with the whole thing
how did Angel end up in a mutant fight club? why? and holy shit was he entirely wasted in this movie. as were Psylocke and Jubilee, for that matter, but at least they might show up again in the future. Angel, not so much.
and what the hell happened to the set up at the end of DoFP? that ended with Mystique as Stryker fishing Logan out of the river, implying things would be different, but there was Logan yet again a victim of the Weapon X program, with Stryker totally fine and not mentioning anything about Mystique impersonating him at all. it feels like they forgot how they ended their own movie
Oscar Isaac was super wasted under that awful, awful makeup and a boring villain. getting owned by the Phoenix was pretty cool, but it didn't earn the build-up
and for fuck's sake, you end the movie right as we get an actual team called the X-Men with actual costumes, in the friggin Danger Room, about to fight actual Sentinels? that's the fucking movie i wanna see, goddammit!
I watched Days of Future Past again the other day but this time I went with the Rogue Cut
Man that don't add much to the final product, does it
the breakout sequence is cool because the future x-men get to do more
that's like, the only positive thing about it
luckily the blu-ray lets you choose between versions. it's definitely kind of an interesting thing to look at once, but there's a reason that shit didn't go theatrical.
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Blake TDo you have enemies then?Good. That means you’ve stood up for something, sometime in your life.Registered Userregular
Apparently the biggest scenes cut from the movie were
TheX-Kids having an 80s mall shopping/hang out montage and attending a Dazzler concert where Nightcrawler got into a dance-off
WHY WOULD YOU CUT THESE
Because honestly.
The kids leaving the mansion literally adds nothing to the plot, and the writers probably realised that so they tried to make their time away from the mansion as minimal as possible. The kids leaving the mansion is one of the strangest and most pointless parts of the movie.
Apocalypse opened up almost 10 million dollars short of Days of Future Past's Friday opening, causing the projections for this weekend to drop from 100+ to 80-85 million
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Is gonna be kinda of amazing if Deadpool beats out X-Men
I really feel like this movie was a good example of making something based on prior reputation, name and appearance rather than actually on a decent story
Like, it fell over itself to be all, look, it's Wolverine and Nightcrawler and Jubilee! etc etc, rather than actually doing anything worth while in of itself
Shame, really, but it was an overcrowded effort IMO
"A Hollow, By-the-Numbers Sequel That’s Also Thoroughly Entertaining"
I don't understand movie reviews anymore
That's super accurate.
You know how some people try to defend BvS with the lie that "at least it's fun"?
This is the movie that defense actually describes.
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kaceypwe stayed bright as lightningwe sang loud as thunderRegistered Userregular
Just got back from seeing this. I enjoyed it a lot. I think it was a solid entry. But my initial feeling is that it's the least of the three First Class movies. Maybe the biggest problem is the one that's been mentioned a few times: the characterization is really a bit lacking, in various ways. For a point of comparison, I think that one of the things that helped DoFP is that Xavier, Magneto, and Mystique all had pretty solid character arcs, and a lot of important stuff happened as a result. Here
Charles doesn't...really have much of an arc at all, does he? I'm not sure that he's actually any different at the end of the movie than the beginning, aside from losing his hair.
Mystique definitely has an arc, but it felt a little too shorthanded. Like, I feel as though her entire arc is comprised of a handful of short exchanges and could have really benefited from one or two more in depth scenes.
And Magneto. Well. It kind of feels like they don't know how to actually write him across more than one movie. IIRC his DoFP arc was already a little repetitive of his First Class arc, and here they have him settled down for no other reason than to make him totally lose it again and freak out on everyone. And the whole thing with his family was just a little bit too cheap and easy to me and I think they should have just left that whole thing out and just had Magneto get recruited because he's super broody and angry now that he's completely alone.
Which brings me to my next thing...
Boy, do I not like how the Horsemen were handled. It makes all of them look really bad, because there doesn't seem to be any brainwashing or anything going on. They just willingly joined up with this dude who is pretty vocal about wanting to destroy the world. Angel got totally shafted. Basically turned into a bad guy and then killed. Also note that this is the third "Angel" that the franchise has done. I really wish they'd just had Apocalypse actually turn them into brainwashed slaves.
Okay, enough criticism for the moment. Like I said, I liked it overall. Quicksilver's big scene was very good (although the fun was slightly tainted by the fact that I was thinking "Uh...Havok just got blown up, yeah?" the entire time). I think Scott and Jean are both pretty solid. Nightcrawler doesn't have a lot going on but is fun. James McAvoy gives a pretty good performance despite Xavier's lack of real development. I loved seeing Giant Apocalypse toss around Xavier even if it wasn't "real."
And for most of the movie I was waiting for something to really put a smile on my face (aside from the QS scene). Something to really excite me. And that did finally come with everything that happened with Jean in the climax. Jean is at least one of my favorite X-Men characters and I loved her getting to be a badass at the end.
There's more to say but that's more than enough for now.
A big thing that also bothered me despite not being Jewish (disclaimer disclaimer) is the Auschwitz scene...
From what I gathered from the Jewish people who were in my life a few years ago, destroying the site would be one of the last things they'd want to do. It would be like wanting to move on and forget the victims and I think Erik, being a survivor himself, would be the last one to want to erase that history.
Obviously though different people react differently to tragedy and I can't get inside the character's head but I can't imagine him doing that would sit well with his fellow survivors.
A big thing that also bothered me despite not being Jewish (disclaimer disclaimer) is the Auschwitz scene...
From what I gathered from the Jewish people who were in my life a few years ago, destroying the site would be one of the last things they'd want to do. It would be like wanting to move on and forget the victims and I think Erik, being a survivor himself, would be the last one to want to erase that history.
Obviously though different people react differently to tragedy and I can't get inside the character's head but I can't imagine him doing that would sit well with his fellow survivors.
Just my (very gentile) two cents.
it definitely played as pretty tasteless, especially with Olivia Munn also standing there throughout the whole scene in her bathing suit
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So basically the same thing, except one is from the 80s aesthetic and one is from an 00s aesthetic.
I basically enjoyed this. I have some problems with it, but I found it enjoyable nonetheless
wait
won't that just be wolverine vs. mad max
no i don't! i say it like it's a good thing!
It's just a real shame that they shoved way too much crap into the film and didn't give nearly enough time for the characters. In fact, I think this movie is pretty comparable to Age of Ultron. Even in that it's more like weekend of Apocalypse/Ultron instead of Age of Apocalypse/Ultron.
Despite the film's problems, I do think they've set the stage for much better sequels because the casting has been so strong. It would be great if the next film was more about the X-Men interacting with each other and finding creative ways to use their powers.
Man that don't add much to the final product, does it
It might be the most purely forgettable superhero movie I've seen
- Quicksilver scene is also a crowd pleaser, but for some reason it went on a tad bit too long for me, personally.
- Shorten the ancient Egypt scenes? Conspirators can only nod at each other so many times.
- Moira scenes seem pretty essential to let Xavier and the Scooby Gang know what's going on, dunno how to take that out.
- I kinda like the Caliban scenes, but those didn't give Psylocke any character besides "sullen katana mutant".
Also, I pretty much wore out the only Apoc quote I know when telling my sister that he needs to be more... grandiose. Like so:
"I am the rocks of the eternal shore. Crash against me and be broken!"
If anything, it lessens the movie.
Steam: MightyPotatoKing
and what the hell happened to the set up at the end of DoFP? that ended with Mystique as Stryker fishing Logan out of the river, implying things would be different, but there was Logan yet again a victim of the Weapon X program, with Stryker totally fine and not mentioning anything about Mystique impersonating him at all. it feels like they forgot how they ended their own movie
Oscar Isaac was super wasted under that awful, awful makeup and a boring villain. getting owned by the Phoenix was pretty cool, but it didn't earn the build-up
and for fuck's sake, you end the movie right as we get an actual team called the X-Men with actual costumes, in the friggin Danger Room, about to fight actual Sentinels? that's the fucking movie i wanna see, goddammit!
How many X-men movies are going to pull that?
the breakout sequence is cool because the future x-men get to do more
that's like, the only positive thing about it
luckily the blu-ray lets you choose between versions. it's definitely kind of an interesting thing to look at once, but there's a reason that shit didn't go theatrical.
Because honestly.
Satans..... hints.....
Steam
They just give Wolverine the adamantium shit anyway?
I think I agree with most of this. It's a bit harsh on the actors themselves.
Steam // Secret Satan
the movie was awesome
Quicksilver is the best
In case you forgot
Y'know
the villain from X2, who gave Logan the adamantium skeleton?
Yeah. They hinted pretty strongly that history went as planned there, after the film.
although i guess apparently it wasn't?
Steam // Secret Satan
No it super duper was.
Steam // Secret Satan
the problem is that X-Men as a franchise is kind of thin so I don't expect a director to take it to another level
End scene.
Satans..... hints.....
great
I don't understand movie reviews anymore
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Is gonna be kinda of amazing if Deadpool beats out X-Men
I don't get people saying they misused Apocalypse.
Like, it fell over itself to be all, look, it's Wolverine and Nightcrawler and Jubilee! etc etc, rather than actually doing anything worth while in of itself
Shame, really, but it was an overcrowded effort IMO
Paper-thin characters though.
Like HAHA TAKE THAT LAST STAND
Completely oblivious to how this also applies to this movie, the third "young Professor X" movie
That's super accurate.
You know how some people try to defend BvS with the lie that "at least it's fun"?
This is the movie that defense actually describes.
Mystique definitely has an arc, but it felt a little too shorthanded. Like, I feel as though her entire arc is comprised of a handful of short exchanges and could have really benefited from one or two more in depth scenes.
And Magneto. Well. It kind of feels like they don't know how to actually write him across more than one movie. IIRC his DoFP arc was already a little repetitive of his First Class arc, and here they have him settled down for no other reason than to make him totally lose it again and freak out on everyone. And the whole thing with his family was just a little bit too cheap and easy to me and I think they should have just left that whole thing out and just had Magneto get recruited because he's super broody and angry now that he's completely alone.
Which brings me to my next thing...
Boy, do I not like how the Horsemen were handled. It makes all of them look really bad, because there doesn't seem to be any brainwashing or anything going on. They just willingly joined up with this dude who is pretty vocal about wanting to destroy the world. Angel got totally shafted. Basically turned into a bad guy and then killed. Also note that this is the third "Angel" that the franchise has done. I really wish they'd just had Apocalypse actually turn them into brainwashed slaves.
Okay, enough criticism for the moment. Like I said, I liked it overall. Quicksilver's big scene was very good (although the fun was slightly tainted by the fact that I was thinking "Uh...Havok just got blown up, yeah?" the entire time). I think Scott and Jean are both pretty solid. Nightcrawler doesn't have a lot going on but is fun. James McAvoy gives a pretty good performance despite Xavier's lack of real development. I loved seeing Giant Apocalypse toss around Xavier even if it wasn't "real."
And for most of the movie I was waiting for something to really put a smile on my face (aside from the QS scene). Something to really excite me. And that did finally come with everything that happened with Jean in the climax. Jean is at least one of my favorite X-Men characters and I loved her getting to be a badass at the end.
There's more to say but that's more than enough for now.
They were 100% aware of that joke, there's just no way they weren't being tongue in cheek there
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Satans..... hints.....
No I'm saying they knew they were making the third part of a trilogy when they made a joke about third parts of trilogies
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I am pretty sure they were making it expecting it wouldn't be true yet again
From what I gathered from the Jewish people who were in my life a few years ago, destroying the site would be one of the last things they'd want to do. It would be like wanting to move on and forget the victims and I think Erik, being a survivor himself, would be the last one to want to erase that history.
Obviously though different people react differently to tragedy and I can't get inside the character's head but I can't imagine him doing that would sit well with his fellow survivors.
Just my (very gentile) two cents.
it definitely played as pretty tasteless, especially with Olivia Munn also standing there throughout the whole scene in her bathing suit