Yes, it is incredibly bad optics. About the only way I see it working is if you appoint a special prosecutor who is someone like Cruz or Christie, some ultra die hard Republican, but not either of them because they have personal reasons to knife non-President Donald, and let this theoretical GOPer just go to town on him.
The New York Attorney General seems more than willing to punch him square in the dick, the feds probably don't even have to get involved.
It appears that the investigation has been expanded to include the self-dealing accusations brought up last week as well.
NYAG is all outta fucks, and they have jurisdiction as the foundation is out of NYS.
As is traditional the NYAG wants to be Governor next so is looking for scalps.
It's better optics than a federal investigation though still not wonderful given Clinton's ties to NY.
I dunno, I see a federal investigation being very good PR.
"Rich racist dirtbag found to be involved in a multitude of illegal dealings. Sentenced to X years in jail and fined X Million dollars."
If it were most anyone else I wouldn't care about business in Cuba -- it was in fact, a stupid policy. On the other hand, Trump (and every other republican) been critical of opening relations with Cuba and he thinks he's above the law, so fuck him. The only people this hurts him with is maybe the Cuban population in Florida. No one else cares, or they weren't voting for him in the first place.
I'm all for anything that hurts him in Florida, though.
That's Pepe the frog, previously a random image meme, but now co-opted by the Alt-Right, used as a kinda dog-whistle for their beliefs. Hold up the frog, and we know you're in our side kinda thing.
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If it were most anyone else I wouldn't care about business in Cuba -- it was in fact, a stupid policy. On the other hand, Trump (and every other republican) been critical of opening relations with Cuba and he thinks he's above the law, so fuck him. The only people this hurts him with is maybe the Cuban population in Florida. No one else cares, or they weren't voting for him in the first place.
I'm all for anything that hurts him in Florida, though.
I'm against the embargo, it's a stupid policy -- but I'm in favour of removing it, not of having rich assholes ignore it.
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That's Pepe the frog, previously a random image meme, but now co-opted by the Alt-Right, used as a kinda dog-whistle for their beliefs. Hold up the frog, and we know you're in our side kinda thing.
The really stupid thing is that I know a couple of people who ended up going to Cuba when they were younger as part of a vacation or something, buying some cigars or whatnot and they're still dealing with the annoying legal fallout.
But Trump threw money at Castro and he's gonna be fine.
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I just got into a Clinton argument with a Johnson supporter. Fuck. Why do I take the bait on this shit every time. I can't help it. And now I'm just annoyed.
I have to share it. It's the only thing that will make me feel better.
If it were most anyone else I wouldn't care about business in Cuba -- it was in fact, a stupid policy. On the other hand, Trump (and every other republican) been critical of opening relations with Cuba and he thinks he's above the law, so fuck him. The only people this hurts him with is maybe the Cuban population in Florida. No one else cares, or they weren't voting for him in the first place.
I'm all for anything that hurts him in Florida, though.
Yeah I can't really even throw stones on this one, though again: I'm not trying to be the president!
That's Pepe the frog, previously a random image meme, but now co-opted by the Alt-Right, used as a kinda dog-whistle for their beliefs. Hold up the frog, and we know you're in our side kinda thing.
Didn't someone already point out that it's beyond the statuate of limitations?
Yeah. The question is how does the campaign spin it, does the media glom onto it and make it into an issue, does Trump say something really stupid about it (either in response to the story, or when asked about it at a debate, etc.). . .
Yes, it is incredibly bad optics. About the only way I see it working is if you appoint a special prosecutor who is someone like Cruz or Christie, some ultra die hard Republican, but not either of them because they have personal reasons to knife non-President Donald, and let this theoretical GOPer just go to town on him.
The New York Attorney General seems more than willing to punch him square in the dick, the feds probably don't even have to get involved.
It appears that the investigation has been expanded to include the self-dealing accusations brought up last week as well.
NYAG is all outta fucks, and they have jurisdiction as the foundation is out of NYS.
As is traditional the NYAG wants to be Governor next so is looking for scalps.
It's better optics than a federal investigation though still not wonderful given Clinton's ties to NY.
I dunno, I see a federal investigation being very good PR.
"Rich racist dirtbag found to be involved in a multitude of illegal dealings. Sentenced to X years in jail and fined X Million dollars."
It's exactly as good PR as the bill that just got past Obama's veto.
The bases cheer it while anybody who understands the precedent it sets starts to get really really worried about where it will lead.
Yes, it is incredibly bad optics. About the only way I see it working is if you appoint a special prosecutor who is someone like Cruz or Christie, some ultra die hard Republican, but not either of them because they have personal reasons to knife non-President Donald, and let this theoretical GOPer just go to town on him.
The New York Attorney General seems more than willing to punch him square in the dick, the feds probably don't even have to get involved.
It appears that the investigation has been expanded to include the self-dealing accusations brought up last week as well.
NYAG is all outta fucks, and they have jurisdiction as the foundation is out of NYS.
As is traditional the NYAG wants to be Governor next so is looking for scalps.
It's better optics than a federal investigation though still not wonderful given Clinton's ties to NY.
I dunno, I see a federal investigation being very good PR.
"Rich racist dirtbag found to be involved in a multitude of illegal dealings. Sentenced to X years in jail and fined X Million dollars."
It's exactly as good PR as the bill that just got past Obama's veto.
The bases cheer it while anybody who understands the precedent it sets starts to get really really worried about where it will lead.
What precedent is it setting?
That if you publicly proclaim your crimes, you are investigated and prosecuted according to the law, regardless of your privilege? That seems like a good one.
Yes, it is incredibly bad optics. About the only way I see it working is if you appoint a special prosecutor who is someone like Cruz or Christie, some ultra die hard Republican, but not either of them because they have personal reasons to knife non-President Donald, and let this theoretical GOPer just go to town on him.
The New York Attorney General seems more than willing to punch him square in the dick, the feds probably don't even have to get involved.
It appears that the investigation has been expanded to include the self-dealing accusations brought up last week as well.
NYAG is all outta fucks, and they have jurisdiction as the foundation is out of NYS.
As is traditional the NYAG wants to be Governor next so is looking for scalps.
It's better optics than a federal investigation though still not wonderful given Clinton's ties to NY.
I dunno, I see a federal investigation being very good PR.
"Rich racist dirtbag found to be involved in a multitude of illegal dealings. Sentenced to X years in jail and fined X Million dollars."
It's exactly as good PR as the bill that just got past Obama's veto.
The bases cheer it while anybody who understands the precedent it sets starts to get really really worried about where it will lead.
If Trump broke the law, Trump should be prosecuted. It would be preferred if it could be done in as apolitical way as possible (a Republican AG going after him?), but people should not get to be above the law because it would look bad politically to go after them (e.g Nixon)
Yes, it is incredibly bad optics. About the only way I see it working is if you appoint a special prosecutor who is someone like Cruz or Christie, some ultra die hard Republican, but not either of them because they have personal reasons to knife non-President Donald, and let this theoretical GOPer just go to town on him.
The New York Attorney General seems more than willing to punch him square in the dick, the feds probably don't even have to get involved.
It appears that the investigation has been expanded to include the self-dealing accusations brought up last week as well.
NYAG is all outta fucks, and they have jurisdiction as the foundation is out of NYS.
As is traditional the NYAG wants to be Governor next so is looking for scalps.
It's better optics than a federal investigation though still not wonderful given Clinton's ties to NY.
I dunno, I see a federal investigation being very good PR.
"Rich racist dirtbag found to be involved in a multitude of illegal dealings. Sentenced to X years in jail and fined X Million dollars."
It's exactly as good PR as the bill that just got past Obama's veto.
The bases cheer it while anybody who understands the precedent it sets starts to get really really worried about where it will lead.
What precedent is it setting?
That if you publicly proclaim your crimes, you are investigated and prosecuted according to the law, regardless of your privileged? That seems like a good one.
I am actually asking.
I speculate a slow, painful trial would look better and set a better precedent than a vengeful tar and feathering.
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That's Pepe the frog, previously a random image meme, but now co-opted by the Alt-Right, used as a kinda dog-whistle for their beliefs. Hold up the frog, and we know you're in our side kinda thing.
Yes, it is incredibly bad optics. About the only way I see it working is if you appoint a special prosecutor who is someone like Cruz or Christie, some ultra die hard Republican, but not either of them because they have personal reasons to knife non-President Donald, and let this theoretical GOPer just go to town on him.
The New York Attorney General seems more than willing to punch him square in the dick, the feds probably don't even have to get involved.
It appears that the investigation has been expanded to include the self-dealing accusations brought up last week as well.
NYAG is all outta fucks, and they have jurisdiction as the foundation is out of NYS.
As is traditional the NYAG wants to be Governor next so is looking for scalps.
It's better optics than a federal investigation though still not wonderful given Clinton's ties to NY.
I dunno, I see a federal investigation being very good PR.
"Rich racist dirtbag found to be involved in a multitude of illegal dealings. Sentenced to X years in jail and fined X Million dollars."
It's exactly as good PR as the bill that just got past Obama's veto.
The bases cheer it while anybody who understands the precedent it sets starts to get really really worried about where it will lead.
What precedent is it setting?
That if you publicly proclaim your crimes, you are investigated and prosecuted according to the law, regardless of your privilege? That seems like a good one.
I am actually asking.
I referenced two:
1) Veto override: Private citizens can sue forgein sovereign nations.
2) Prosecuting Trump: Normalizes criminal charges against your political opponents.
Both are very dangerous precedents if we'd like to continue having things like functional political systems.
Didn't someone already point out that it's beyond the statuate of limitations?
I don't think that matters unless what you're hoping for is for Trump to go to prison or something.
But considering the climate of this particular election, e.g. the economic bitterness of both the Sanders voters and shit like the Wells Fargo fiasco, it scores PRETTY NEGATIVE POINTS politically for Trump to have not only engaged in some white collar crime, but got away with it on a technicality. That's going to piss off the economically bitter voters, I'd say.
Didn't someone already point out that it's beyond the statuate of limitations?
there may no longer be grounds for prosecution, but that doesn't mean there wont be fall out. it begs more questions about his foreign investments, which when combined with his dealings in Russia may warrant investigation.
there's also the impact it will have on the Cuban ex-pat community in Florida and their opinion of Trump. especially as it comes just a day or two after he bashed Obama's policy on Cuba at a rally there. the hypocrisy wont be lost on them i don't think.
That's Pepe the frog, previously a random image meme, but now co-opted by the Alt-Right, used as a kinda dog-whistle for their beliefs. Hold up the frog, and we know you're in our side kinda thing.
Aha, ew.
The SPLC has designated Pepe as a hate symbol.
Which led to this interview where the creator of said frog is basically just like "I have no idea wtf is going on and also, I'm voting for Hillary"
Yes, it is incredibly bad optics. About the only way I see it working is if you appoint a special prosecutor who is someone like Cruz or Christie, some ultra die hard Republican, but not either of them because they have personal reasons to knife non-President Donald, and let this theoretical GOPer just go to town on him.
The New York Attorney General seems more than willing to punch him square in the dick, the feds probably don't even have to get involved.
It appears that the investigation has been expanded to include the self-dealing accusations brought up last week as well.
NYAG is all outta fucks, and they have jurisdiction as the foundation is out of NYS.
As is traditional the NYAG wants to be Governor next so is looking for scalps.
It's better optics than a federal investigation though still not wonderful given Clinton's ties to NY.
I dunno, I see a federal investigation being very good PR.
"Rich racist dirtbag found to be involved in a multitude of illegal dealings. Sentenced to X years in jail and fined X Million dollars."
It's exactly as good PR as the bill that just got past Obama's veto.
The bases cheer it while anybody who understands the precedent it sets starts to get really really worried about where it will lead.
What precedent is it setting?
That if you publicly proclaim your crimes, you are investigated and prosecuted according to the law, regardless of your privilege? That seems like a good one.
I am actually asking.
I referenced two:
1) Veto override: Private citizens can sue forgein sovereign nations.
2) Prosecuting Trump: Normalizes criminal charges against your political opponents.
Both are very dangerous precedents if we'd like to continue having things like functional political systems.
You do realize that the GOP already normalized criminal charges against your opponent right? That's what all the fucking benghazi hearings and charges of contempt of Holder were about. This is one of those double standards where the dems shouldn't investigate real crimes while the GOP continues to assail them with fake ones.
Trump broke the law prior to running for president, running for president should not exempt his fucking ass from the law.
I would like some money because these are artisanal nuggets of wisdom philistine.
Yes, it is incredibly bad optics. About the only way I see it working is if you appoint a special prosecutor who is someone like Cruz or Christie, some ultra die hard Republican, but not either of them because they have personal reasons to knife non-President Donald, and let this theoretical GOPer just go to town on him.
The New York Attorney General seems more than willing to punch him square in the dick, the feds probably don't even have to get involved.
It appears that the investigation has been expanded to include the self-dealing accusations brought up last week as well.
NYAG is all outta fucks, and they have jurisdiction as the foundation is out of NYS.
As is traditional the NYAG wants to be Governor next so is looking for scalps.
It's better optics than a federal investigation though still not wonderful given Clinton's ties to NY.
I dunno, I see a federal investigation being very good PR.
"Rich racist dirtbag found to be involved in a multitude of illegal dealings. Sentenced to X years in jail and fined X Million dollars."
It's exactly as good PR as the bill that just got past Obama's veto.
The bases cheer it while anybody who understands the precedent it sets starts to get really really worried about where it will lead.
What precedent is it setting?
That if you publicly proclaim your crimes, you are investigated and prosecuted according to the law, regardless of your privilege? That seems like a good one.
I am actually asking.
I referenced two:
1) Veto override: Private citizens can sue forgein sovereign nations.
2) Prosecuting Trump: Normalizes criminal charges against your political opponents.
Both are very dangerous precedents if we'd like to continue having things like functional political systems.
I get the dumb 9/11 bill, that has no relation to Trump.
But as I pointed out, Hillary doesn't have to even get involved. There are roughly 3 months after he is no longer protected via candidacy, that Obama/the IRS can start investigations into Trump on tax evasion charges alone.
I am severely against someone getting away with publicly admitted crimes, just because they managed to run for political office.
Yes, it is incredibly bad optics. About the only way I see it working is if you appoint a special prosecutor who is someone like Cruz or Christie, some ultra die hard Republican, but not either of them because they have personal reasons to knife non-President Donald, and let this theoretical GOPer just go to town on him.
The New York Attorney General seems more than willing to punch him square in the dick, the feds probably don't even have to get involved.
It appears that the investigation has been expanded to include the self-dealing accusations brought up last week as well.
NYAG is all outta fucks, and they have jurisdiction as the foundation is out of NYS.
As is traditional the NYAG wants to be Governor next so is looking for scalps.
It's better optics than a federal investigation though still not wonderful given Clinton's ties to NY.
I dunno, I see a federal investigation being very good PR.
"Rich racist dirtbag found to be involved in a multitude of illegal dealings. Sentenced to X years in jail and fined X Million dollars."
It's exactly as good PR as the bill that just got past Obama's veto.
The bases cheer it while anybody who understands the precedent it sets starts to get really really worried about where it will lead.
What precedent is it setting?
That if you publicly proclaim your crimes, you are investigated and prosecuted according to the law, regardless of your privilege? That seems like a good one.
I am actually asking.
I referenced two:
1) Veto override: Private citizens can sue forgein sovereign nations.
2) Prosecuting Trump: Normalizes criminal charges against your political opponents.
Both are very dangerous precedents if we'd like to continue having things like functional political systems.
You do realize that the GOP already normalized criminal charges against your opponent right? That's what all the fucking benghazi hearings and charges of contempt of Holder were about. This is one of those double standards where the dems shouldn't investigate real crimes while the GOP continues to assail them with fake ones.
Trump broke the law prior to running for president, running for president should not exempt his fucking ass from the law.
I'm sorry Preacher, could you link me to the indictment for Benghazi? I must have missed it.
I've also pointed out what would be an appropriate way to prosecute these upthread and it wasn't: Don't.
Yes, it is incredibly bad optics. About the only way I see it working is if you appoint a special prosecutor who is someone like Cruz or Christie, some ultra die hard Republican, but not either of them because they have personal reasons to knife non-President Donald, and let this theoretical GOPer just go to town on him.
The New York Attorney General seems more than willing to punch him square in the dick, the feds probably don't even have to get involved.
It appears that the investigation has been expanded to include the self-dealing accusations brought up last week as well.
NYAG is all outta fucks, and they have jurisdiction as the foundation is out of NYS.
As is traditional the NYAG wants to be Governor next so is looking for scalps.
It's better optics than a federal investigation though still not wonderful given Clinton's ties to NY.
I dunno, I see a federal investigation being very good PR.
"Rich racist dirtbag found to be involved in a multitude of illegal dealings. Sentenced to X years in jail and fined X Million dollars."
It's exactly as good PR as the bill that just got past Obama's veto.
The bases cheer it while anybody who understands the precedent it sets starts to get really really worried about where it will lead.
What precedent is it setting?
That if you publicly proclaim your crimes, you are investigated and prosecuted according to the law, regardless of your privilege? That seems like a good one.
I am actually asking.
I referenced two:
1) Veto override: Private citizens can sue forgein sovereign nations.
2) Prosecuting Trump: Normalizes criminal charges against your political opponents.
Both are very dangerous precedents if we'd like to continue having things like functional political systems.
I get the dumb 9/11 bill, that has no relation to Trump.
But as I pointed out, Hillary doesn't have to even get involved. There are roughly 3 months after he is no longer protected via candidacy, that Obama/the IRS can start investigations into Trump on tax evasion charges alone.
I am severely against someone getting away with publicly admitted crimes, just because they managed to run for political office.
Yea, cause the average US citizen clearly won't see a clever ruse that wouldn't fool a 2 year old.
There is no meaningful difference between Democratic President A investigating Republican Nominee over Democratic President B doing it. Never mind that the nominee personally harassed President A for like 7 years so would count as a political enemy of him as well.
Yes, it is incredibly bad optics. About the only way I see it working is if you appoint a special prosecutor who is someone like Cruz or Christie, some ultra die hard Republican, but not either of them because they have personal reasons to knife non-President Donald, and let this theoretical GOPer just go to town on him.
The New York Attorney General seems more than willing to punch him square in the dick, the feds probably don't even have to get involved.
It appears that the investigation has been expanded to include the self-dealing accusations brought up last week as well.
NYAG is all outta fucks, and they have jurisdiction as the foundation is out of NYS.
As is traditional the NYAG wants to be Governor next so is looking for scalps.
It's better optics than a federal investigation though still not wonderful given Clinton's ties to NY.
I dunno, I see a federal investigation being very good PR.
"Rich racist dirtbag found to be involved in a multitude of illegal dealings. Sentenced to X years in jail and fined X Million dollars."
It's exactly as good PR as the bill that just got past Obama's veto.
The bases cheer it while anybody who understands the precedent it sets starts to get really really worried about where it will lead.
What precedent is it setting?
That if you publicly proclaim your crimes, you are investigated and prosecuted according to the law, regardless of your privilege? That seems like a good one.
I am actually asking.
I referenced two:
1) Veto override: Private citizens can sue forgein sovereign nations.
2) Prosecuting Trump: Normalizes criminal charges against your political opponents.
Both are very dangerous precedents if we'd like to continue having things like functional political systems.
You do realize that the GOP already normalized criminal charges against your opponent right? That's what all the fucking benghazi hearings and charges of contempt of Holder were about. This is one of those double standards where the dems shouldn't investigate real crimes while the GOP continues to assail them with fake ones.
Trump broke the law prior to running for president, running for president should not exempt his fucking ass from the law.
And that's the thing - the argument that we should not prosecute the crimes committed in office because of political fallout is a horrible one, because that is the argument at the national level that gave us Iran-Contra and the criminality of the Bush Administration, and at local levels makes it much harder to deal with malfeasance in public office. And it is this that is more damaging to our government.
Politics should not be a get out of jail free card.
Yes, it is incredibly bad optics. About the only way I see it working is if you appoint a special prosecutor who is someone like Cruz or Christie, some ultra die hard Republican, but not either of them because they have personal reasons to knife non-President Donald, and let this theoretical GOPer just go to town on him.
The New York Attorney General seems more than willing to punch him square in the dick, the feds probably don't even have to get involved.
It appears that the investigation has been expanded to include the self-dealing accusations brought up last week as well.
NYAG is all outta fucks, and they have jurisdiction as the foundation is out of NYS.
As is traditional the NYAG wants to be Governor next so is looking for scalps.
It's better optics than a federal investigation though still not wonderful given Clinton's ties to NY.
I dunno, I see a federal investigation being very good PR.
"Rich racist dirtbag found to be involved in a multitude of illegal dealings. Sentenced to X years in jail and fined X Million dollars."
It's exactly as good PR as the bill that just got past Obama's veto.
The bases cheer it while anybody who understands the precedent it sets starts to get really really worried about where it will lead.
What precedent is it setting?
That if you publicly proclaim your crimes, you are investigated and prosecuted according to the law, regardless of your privilege? That seems like a good one.
I am actually asking.
I referenced two:
1) Veto override: Private citizens can sue forgein sovereign nations.
2) Prosecuting Trump: Normalizes criminal charges against your political opponents.
Both are very dangerous precedents if we'd like to continue having things like functional political systems.
You do realize that the GOP already normalized criminal charges against your opponent right? That's what all the fucking benghazi hearings and charges of contempt of Holder were about. This is one of those double standards where the dems shouldn't investigate real crimes while the GOP continues to assail them with fake ones.
Trump broke the law prior to running for president, running for president should not exempt his fucking ass from the law.
I'm sorry Preacher, could you link me to the indictment for Benghazi? I must have missed it.
You missed it because they couldn't get it to stick, not cause they didn't try.
That's Pepe the frog, previously a random image meme, but now co-opted by the Alt-Right, used as a kinda dog-whistle for their beliefs. Hold up the frog, and we know you're in our side kinda thing.
Aha, ew.
The SPLC has designated Pepe as a hate symbol.
Which led to this interview where the creator of said frog is basically just like "I have no idea wtf is going on and also, I'm voting for Hillary"
IDK the whole thing is very chicken-egg.
Like, there were racist Pepe memes, just like there are racist versions of a lot of meme images. Then the media got a hold of this story about the nazi frog meme. And now it gets used as much as a mocking of the media as an actual racist hate symbol.
It's like when a newspaper used a pedobear picture reporting on the Vancouver Olympics.
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Maybe folks here don't know that we prosecute politicians for crime all the time?
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Bob McDonnell just went to the SC for chrissakes
Acting like this is beyond the pale normalizes criminal behavior in office.
Plus, this is stuff from before he ran. We're not saying prosecute for being a birther. We're saying he broke the law in his business dealings and consequently he should be prosecuted.
More to the point than even Benghazi, Trump has already repeatedly suggested indictment, special investigation, and assassination against Hillary Clinton. Political retribution is not just normalized, it is an explicit part of the Republican candidate's appeal. The idea that the line we must draw in the sand is letting Trump only be investigated in the most delicate and sensitive ways is absurd; if he has committed federal crimes, he should be charged in any and all appropriate ways.
Yes, it is incredibly bad optics. About the only way I see it working is if you appoint a special prosecutor who is someone like Cruz or Christie, some ultra die hard Republican, but not either of them because they have personal reasons to knife non-President Donald, and let this theoretical GOPer just go to town on him.
The New York Attorney General seems more than willing to punch him square in the dick, the feds probably don't even have to get involved.
It appears that the investigation has been expanded to include the self-dealing accusations brought up last week as well.
NYAG is all outta fucks, and they have jurisdiction as the foundation is out of NYS.
As is traditional the NYAG wants to be Governor next so is looking for scalps.
It's better optics than a federal investigation though still not wonderful given Clinton's ties to NY.
I dunno, I see a federal investigation being very good PR.
"Rich racist dirtbag found to be involved in a multitude of illegal dealings. Sentenced to X years in jail and fined X Million dollars."
It's exactly as good PR as the bill that just got past Obama's veto.
The bases cheer it while anybody who understands the precedent it sets starts to get really really worried about where it will lead.
What precedent is it setting?
That if you publicly proclaim your crimes, you are investigated and prosecuted according to the law, regardless of your privilege? That seems like a good one.
I am actually asking.
I referenced two:
1) Veto override: Private citizens can sue forgein sovereign nations.
2) Prosecuting Trump: Normalizes criminal charges against your political opponents.
Both are very dangerous precedents if we'd like to continue having things like functional political systems.
You do realize that the GOP already normalized criminal charges against your opponent right? That's what all the fucking benghazi hearings and charges of contempt of Holder were about. This is one of those double standards where the dems shouldn't investigate real crimes while the GOP continues to assail them with fake ones.
Trump broke the law prior to running for president, running for president should not exempt his fucking ass from the law.
I'm sorry Preacher, could you link me to the indictment for Benghazi? I must have missed it.
I've also pointed out what would be an appropriate way to prosecute these upthread and it wasn't: Don't.
Yes, it is incredibly bad optics. About the only way I see it working is if you appoint a special prosecutor who is someone like Cruz or Christie, some ultra die hard Republican, but not either of them because they have personal reasons to knife non-President Donald, and let this theoretical GOPer just go to town on him.
The New York Attorney General seems more than willing to punch him square in the dick, the feds probably don't even have to get involved.
It appears that the investigation has been expanded to include the self-dealing accusations brought up last week as well.
NYAG is all outta fucks, and they have jurisdiction as the foundation is out of NYS.
As is traditional the NYAG wants to be Governor next so is looking for scalps.
It's better optics than a federal investigation though still not wonderful given Clinton's ties to NY.
I dunno, I see a federal investigation being very good PR.
"Rich racist dirtbag found to be involved in a multitude of illegal dealings. Sentenced to X years in jail and fined X Million dollars."
It's exactly as good PR as the bill that just got past Obama's veto.
The bases cheer it while anybody who understands the precedent it sets starts to get really really worried about where it will lead.
What precedent is it setting?
That if you publicly proclaim your crimes, you are investigated and prosecuted according to the law, regardless of your privilege? That seems like a good one.
I am actually asking.
I referenced two:
1) Veto override: Private citizens can sue forgein sovereign nations.
2) Prosecuting Trump: Normalizes criminal charges against your political opponents.
Both are very dangerous precedents if we'd like to continue having things like functional political systems.
I get the dumb 9/11 bill, that has no relation to Trump.
But as I pointed out, Hillary doesn't have to even get involved. There are roughly 3 months after he is no longer protected via candidacy, that Obama/the IRS can start investigations into Trump on tax evasion charges alone.
I am severely against someone getting away with publicly admitted crimes, just because they managed to run for political office.
Yea, cause the average US citizen clearly won't see a clever ruse that wouldn't fool a 2 year old.
There is no meaningful difference between Democratic President A investigating Republican Nominee over Democratic President B doing it. Never mind that the nominee personally harassed President A for like 7 years so would count as a political enemy of him as well.
And there would be no meaningful difference if it was a state prosecution, either. No matter what, the argument will be made that the prosecution is political, no matter the level.
The precedent that politicians and public officials are above the law is dangerous. Look at how qualified immunity clauses are routinely twisted to become functionally absolute immunity.
That's Pepe the frog, previously a random image meme, but now co-opted by the Alt-Right, used as a kinda dog-whistle for their beliefs. Hold up the frog, and we know you're in our side kinda thing.
Aha, ew.
The SPLC has designated Pepe as a hate symbol.
Which led to this interview where the creator of said frog is basically just like "I have no idea wtf is going on and also, I'm voting for Hillary"
IDK the whole thing is very chicken-egg.
Like, there were racist Pepe memes, just like there are racist versions of a lot of meme images. Then the media got a hold of this story about the nazi frog meme. And now it gets used as much as a mocking of the media as an actual racist hate symbol.
It's like when a newspaper used a pedobear picture reporting on the Vancouver Olympics.
I have no idea what point you're trying to make.
The point isn't that Pepe is racist because racists use him a lot (though that's part of it); the idea is that he's racist because he's used in an explicitly racist way a lot.
Yes, it is incredibly bad optics. About the only way I see it working is if you appoint a special prosecutor who is someone like Cruz or Christie, some ultra die hard Republican, but not either of them because they have personal reasons to knife non-President Donald, and let this theoretical GOPer just go to town on him.
The New York Attorney General seems more than willing to punch him square in the dick, the feds probably don't even have to get involved.
It appears that the investigation has been expanded to include the self-dealing accusations brought up last week as well.
NYAG is all outta fucks, and they have jurisdiction as the foundation is out of NYS.
As is traditional the NYAG wants to be Governor next so is looking for scalps.
It's better optics than a federal investigation though still not wonderful given Clinton's ties to NY.
I dunno, I see a federal investigation being very good PR.
"Rich racist dirtbag found to be involved in a multitude of illegal dealings. Sentenced to X years in jail and fined X Million dollars."
It's exactly as good PR as the bill that just got past Obama's veto.
The bases cheer it while anybody who understands the precedent it sets starts to get really really worried about where it will lead.
What precedent is it setting?
That if you publicly proclaim your crimes, you are investigated and prosecuted according to the law, regardless of your privilege? That seems like a good one.
I am actually asking.
I referenced two:
1) Veto override: Private citizens can sue forgein sovereign nations.
2) Prosecuting Trump: Normalizes criminal charges against your political opponents.
Both are very dangerous precedents if we'd like to continue having things like functional political systems.
You do realize that the GOP already normalized criminal charges against your opponent right? That's what all the fucking benghazi hearings and charges of contempt of Holder were about. This is one of those double standards where the dems shouldn't investigate real crimes while the GOP continues to assail them with fake ones.
Trump broke the law prior to running for president, running for president should not exempt his fucking ass from the law.
I'm sorry Preacher, could you link me to the indictment for Benghazi? I must have missed it.
I've also pointed out what would be an appropriate way to prosecute these upthread and it wasn't: Don't.
Yes, it is incredibly bad optics. About the only way I see it working is if you appoint a special prosecutor who is someone like Cruz or Christie, some ultra die hard Republican, but not either of them because they have personal reasons to knife non-President Donald, and let this theoretical GOPer just go to town on him.
The New York Attorney General seems more than willing to punch him square in the dick, the feds probably don't even have to get involved.
It appears that the investigation has been expanded to include the self-dealing accusations brought up last week as well.
NYAG is all outta fucks, and they have jurisdiction as the foundation is out of NYS.
As is traditional the NYAG wants to be Governor next so is looking for scalps.
It's better optics than a federal investigation though still not wonderful given Clinton's ties to NY.
I dunno, I see a federal investigation being very good PR.
"Rich racist dirtbag found to be involved in a multitude of illegal dealings. Sentenced to X years in jail and fined X Million dollars."
It's exactly as good PR as the bill that just got past Obama's veto.
The bases cheer it while anybody who understands the precedent it sets starts to get really really worried about where it will lead.
What precedent is it setting?
That if you publicly proclaim your crimes, you are investigated and prosecuted according to the law, regardless of your privilege? That seems like a good one.
I am actually asking.
I referenced two:
1) Veto override: Private citizens can sue forgein sovereign nations.
2) Prosecuting Trump: Normalizes criminal charges against your political opponents.
Both are very dangerous precedents if we'd like to continue having things like functional political systems.
I get the dumb 9/11 bill, that has no relation to Trump.
But as I pointed out, Hillary doesn't have to even get involved. There are roughly 3 months after he is no longer protected via candidacy, that Obama/the IRS can start investigations into Trump on tax evasion charges alone.
I am severely against someone getting away with publicly admitted crimes, just because they managed to run for political office.
Yea, cause the average US citizen clearly won't see a clever ruse that wouldn't fool a 2 year old.
There is no meaningful difference between Democratic President A investigating Republican Nominee over Democratic President B doing it. Never mind that the nominee personally harassed President A for like 7 years so would count as a political enemy of him as well.
Well to start, why does Obama care? He isn't running for president again.
I think the average US citizen would be far more enthused that a billionaire scumbag that has repeatedly screwed over the common man, is actually being prosecuted for his crimes, that he has already publicly admitted to, instead of getting away with it due to his connections and wealth.
Rather than worrying about the fact that it was someone he has harassed for years starting it? Not to mention, if the debate is anything to go by, the trial would be massively entertaining for the masses.
Plus, why does a president even need to be starting this? He PUBLICLY ADMITTED GUILT. That should be enough right there for the IRS to just straight up get involved, no presidential order needed.
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It is past the statute of limitations so Trump could go out there and talk about how smart he was to break that law if he felt like it.
I am not sure he isn't going to do that.
I dunno, I see a federal investigation being very good PR.
"Rich racist dirtbag found to be involved in a multitude of illegal dealings. Sentenced to X years in jail and fined X Million dollars."
I'm all for anything that hurts him in Florida, though.
That's Pepe the frog, previously a random image meme, but now co-opted by the Alt-Right, used as a kinda dog-whistle for their beliefs. Hold up the frog, and we know you're in our side kinda thing.
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I'm against the embargo, it's a stupid policy -- but I'm in favour of removing it, not of having rich assholes ignore it.
Aha, ew.
But Trump threw money at Castro and he's gonna be fine.
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I have to share it. It's the only thing that will make me feel better.
Yeah I can't really even throw stones on this one, though again: I'm not trying to be the president!
The SPLC has designated Pepe as a hate symbol.
It's exactly as good PR as the bill that just got past Obama's veto.
The bases cheer it while anybody who understands the precedent it sets starts to get really really worried about where it will lead.
Wait....
I've seen this before
What precedent is it setting?
That if you publicly proclaim your crimes, you are investigated and prosecuted according to the law, regardless of your privilege? That seems like a good one.
I am actually asking.
I speculate a slow, painful trial would look better and set a better precedent than a vengeful tar and feathering.
no, that was the anti-defamation league
I don't think the SPLC tracks iconography?
just organizations, I thought
I referenced two:
1) Veto override: Private citizens can sue forgein sovereign nations.
2) Prosecuting Trump: Normalizes criminal charges against your political opponents.
Both are very dangerous precedents if we'd like to continue having things like functional political systems.
I don't think that matters unless what you're hoping for is for Trump to go to prison or something.
But considering the climate of this particular election, e.g. the economic bitterness of both the Sanders voters and shit like the Wells Fargo fiasco, it scores PRETTY NEGATIVE POINTS politically for Trump to have not only engaged in some white collar crime, but got away with it on a technicality. That's going to piss off the economically bitter voters, I'd say.
there may no longer be grounds for prosecution, but that doesn't mean there wont be fall out. it begs more questions about his foreign investments, which when combined with his dealings in Russia may warrant investigation.
there's also the impact it will have on the Cuban ex-pat community in Florida and their opinion of Trump. especially as it comes just a day or two after he bashed Obama's policy on Cuba at a rally there. the hypocrisy wont be lost on them i don't think.
Which led to this interview where the creator of said frog is basically just like "I have no idea wtf is going on and also, I'm voting for Hillary"
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You do realize that the GOP already normalized criminal charges against your opponent right? That's what all the fucking benghazi hearings and charges of contempt of Holder were about. This is one of those double standards where the dems shouldn't investigate real crimes while the GOP continues to assail them with fake ones.
Trump broke the law prior to running for president, running for president should not exempt his fucking ass from the law.
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I get the dumb 9/11 bill, that has no relation to Trump.
But as I pointed out, Hillary doesn't have to even get involved. There are roughly 3 months after he is no longer protected via candidacy, that Obama/the IRS can start investigations into Trump on tax evasion charges alone.
I am severely against someone getting away with publicly admitted crimes, just because they managed to run for political office.
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I'm sorry Preacher, could you link me to the indictment for Benghazi? I must have missed it.
I've also pointed out what would be an appropriate way to prosecute these upthread and it wasn't: Don't.
Yea, cause the average US citizen clearly won't see a clever ruse that wouldn't fool a 2 year old.
There is no meaningful difference between Democratic President A investigating Republican Nominee over Democratic President B doing it. Never mind that the nominee personally harassed President A for like 7 years so would count as a political enemy of him as well.
no, you're tearing up.
And that's the thing - the argument that we should not prosecute the crimes committed in office because of political fallout is a horrible one, because that is the argument at the national level that gave us Iran-Contra and the criminality of the Bush Administration, and at local levels makes it much harder to deal with malfeasance in public office. And it is this that is more damaging to our government.
Politics should not be a get out of jail free card.
You missed it because they couldn't get it to stick, not cause they didn't try.
IDK the whole thing is very chicken-egg.
Like, there were racist Pepe memes, just like there are racist versions of a lot of meme images. Then the media got a hold of this story about the nazi frog meme. And now it gets used as much as a mocking of the media as an actual racist hate symbol.
It's like when a newspaper used a pedobear picture reporting on the Vancouver Olympics.
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Acting like this is beyond the pale normalizes criminal behavior in office.
Plus, this is stuff from before he ran. We're not saying prosecute for being a birther. We're saying he broke the law in his business dealings and consequently he should be prosecuted.
That doesn't even mean he'd be convicted!
And there would be no meaningful difference if it was a state prosecution, either. No matter what, the argument will be made that the prosecution is political, no matter the level.
The precedent that politicians and public officials are above the law is dangerous. Look at how qualified immunity clauses are routinely twisted to become functionally absolute immunity.
http://knowyourmeme.com/memes/pepe-the-frog
Edit: oh, there's another page. Whelp, gonna leave this here, as it has come up a few times.
I have no idea what point you're trying to make.
The point isn't that Pepe is racist because racists use him a lot (though that's part of it); the idea is that he's racist because he's used in an explicitly racist way a lot.
Well to start, why does Obama care? He isn't running for president again.
I think the average US citizen would be far more enthused that a billionaire scumbag that has repeatedly screwed over the common man, is actually being prosecuted for his crimes, that he has already publicly admitted to, instead of getting away with it due to his connections and wealth.
Rather than worrying about the fact that it was someone he has harassed for years starting it? Not to mention, if the debate is anything to go by, the trial would be massively entertaining for the masses.
Plus, why does a president even need to be starting this? He PUBLICLY ADMITTED GUILT. That should be enough right there for the IRS to just straight up get involved, no presidential order needed.
There is no statute of limitations for tax evasion afaik, and it is a felony with jail time.