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Grenn's stuff - Please give crit on my new site design - page 8

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    mattharvestmattharvest Registered User regular
    edited September 2008
    Grenn, I'm a tremendous fan of your work: I spent at least an hour yesterday just pouring through your site.

    I'm curious about a few aspects of your technique:
    1. Do you generally go into the color phase of a drawing with a plan, i.e. four colors or so you want, or is it more iterative?
    2. Do you work from your final colors, or do you color however you want and rely on a software filter to do the initial drop-to-four (or however many you're using) colors?
    3. What's your general price range, i.e. how much are you charging for these posters? (I understand if you don't want to answer that one)

    Again, big fan. Keep up the great work.

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    GrennGrenn Registered User regular
    edited September 2008
    Firstly, thanks a lot for the very kind words, they are sincerely appreciated.
    1. Do you generally go into the color phase of a drawing with a plan, i.e. four colors or so you want, or is it more iterative?

    Generally, I plan everything out in my head beforehand as much as possible -- I think of a concept and then visualise the colours and basic composition before I draw anything or sit down at the computer, so I have a clear idea in my mind's eye of what I'm working towards.

    In fact, I do a lot of mental planning, to quite a freakish degree and to the point where I'm thinking about colour/texture seperations in Photoshop, actually imagining doing the work before I do it. My girlfriend will often catch me staring off into space and say, "You're thinking about Photoshop aren't you?"

    So yes, I usually know how many colours I will use beforehand, and how I will set up 'floods' and 'traps' for my colour seperations.

    Obviously this applies primarily to work that will be screenprinted, but I also apply to most things I do. When I first started screenprinting I found it very hard to use so few colours but now it's a habit I'm glad I have developed.

    The ability to do 'more with less', and edit and strip your work down to the essentials without losing any of the impact is the sign of a good designer, imo, and something I continually strive to be better at.
    2. Do you work from your final colors, or do you color however you want and rely on a software filter to do the initial drop-to-four (or however many you're using) colors?

    All the elements on the screen are actually black; I use colour overlays to assign colours to each layer while I'm working. Even though I will only use 3 or 4 colours, I tend to spend a long time trying out different combinations of those colours on the elements of my image (i.e. will this character be solid blue with grey linework, or just blue outline and no fill, or solid fill and white linework, etc. etc.) until it seems balanced and comes together.

    I use layers obsessively. With the Hold Steady poster above, I used about 70 layers.
    3. What's your general price range, i.e. how much are you charging for these posters? (I understand if you don't want to answer that one)

    I sell Gigposters for around $20-$30 (although I sometimes put the price up if I have only a couple left), "art prints" are typically a bit more but have smaller edition sizes.

    (and for info: all my gigposters are commisioned by either the band, label or promoter/venue and are used to promote the show or as merch for the band to sell. I don't just make posters for random bands I like, as that would be bootlegging.)

    My rates for commissioned design work vary depending on how much fun the project sounds and the budget of the client.

    Hope that answers the questions. :^:

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    Jake!Jake! Registered User regular
    edited September 2008
    quick fix? Make the signs point diagonally down left and right rather than at the empty corners.

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    GrennGrenn Registered User regular
    edited September 2008
    Jake! wrote: »
    quick fix? Make the signs point diagonally down left and right rather than at the empty corners.

    Great suggestion, thanks J -- fixed.

    It also means that the top elements now follow the curvature of the ground, which feels more compositionally sound.

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    GrennGrenn Registered User regular
    edited November 2008
    Some updated work & news from me...

    The Night Marchers gig (poster above) was all kinds of awesome, a few friends and I put the gig on and were worried about losing a tonne of money but fortunately, all costs were covered, the band got their guarantee and everyone twisted the night away.

    I made 4 huge posters of the Night Marchers skull, which were displayed either side of the stage and they were grabbed by fans before the gig was even finished. I should be doing screenprinted versions of this at some point (with the band's approval).

    My Hold Steady poster got printed up (yay) and then the band cancelled the entire tour due to sickness (nooooo) but fortunately they've rescheduled and I can amend the dates by hand.

    ths_screenprint.jpg

    My work appeared at another exhibition, which was well attended. Spoilered for looong pic:
    subism_exhi_pic.jpg

    And finally, a local band's record came out which I did the art for -- although it was a while ago, it's nice to see the finished CDs:

    volt_cd.jpg

    and a poster I did for their release gig:

    volt_poster_small.jpg

    That's it from me... back to doing no work and playing Fallout 3 instead. 8-)

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    MustangMustang Arbiter of Unpopular Opinions Registered User regular
    edited November 2008
    Man, I'm really loving this. I've had a real hankering to get a handle on this style lately.

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    desperaterobotsdesperaterobots perth, ausRegistered User regular
    edited November 2008
    I loooooooooove your stuff.

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    SzechuanosaurusSzechuanosaurus Registered User, ClubPA regular
    edited November 2008
    Seriously. It's awesome Grenn.

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    ProspicienceProspicience The Raven King DenvemoloradoRegistered User regular
    edited November 2008
    Seriously. It's awesome Grenn.

    *asspat* Your stuff's really inspiring man... if I already said that... well, I don't care, it is.

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    JohnTWMJohnTWM Registered User regular
    edited November 2008
    Yeah that cd case is freakin sweet. Asspats all around.

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    GrennGrenn Registered User regular
    edited February 2009
    A couple of pics from an exhibition my work featured in over the weekend. Unfortunately, I couldn't make it to the event myself, as I was visiting London, but still managed to sell some prints... via text message!

    proast1.jpg
    proast2.jpg

    Personal update time:

    I've been on a break from design work while I stress about the day-job and obsess about playing squash... BUT I'm working on a new site and some new work to go on it. :)

    Please leave me encouragement itt; it is gratefully received. D:

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    desperaterobotsdesperaterobots perth, ausRegistered User regular
    edited February 2009
    Congrats! Looks like a small space? How did you pin them up? Do I see bull-clips? Did they make impressions on the paper?

    I would love to try screen printing. To that end, I'm going to come and harass you when I visit my mum in the UK later this year. Be prepared.

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    GrennGrenn Registered User regular
    edited February 2009
    I think the room itself was a decent size, just a low ceiling. Here's a view from outside:
    n263600051_198010_7199.jpg

    I didn't do any of the pinning/set up -- just sent my stuff in a tube and forgettabouditt!

    Yep, they're pinning using bull-dog clips and yes they probably left marks. But, these are the prints that sold, so people don't mind so much. The marks can be smoothed out with the fingures... and besides, one of the good things about printing is that you have plenty of prints left if any get damaged.

    As for visiting the UK -- dude, you are more than welcome to come and harass me! Where are you visiting? If you can spare a day up North, then drinks ahoy matey!

    Edit: look how strange I spelled the word 'fingers'...

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    desperaterobotsdesperaterobots perth, ausRegistered User regular
    edited February 2009
    A place called St Helens I think. Near... Manchester apparently? I don't know!

    And hey, wow, that space looks awesome! I'm in another show tomorrow, I must get some pictures this time. I never take a camera because I dont want to lose it when im drinking so heavily :|

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    RankenphileRankenphile Passersby were amazed by the unusually large amounts of blood.Registered User, Moderator mod
    edited February 2009
    fuck yeah melvins

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    GrennGrenn Registered User regular
    edited February 2009
    A place called St Helens I think. Near... Manchester apparently? I don't know!

    Between Manchester and Liverpool and not that far away from Leeds where I am -- would be easy to meet up for a few pints!
    And hey, wow, that space looks awesome! I'm in another show tomorrow, I must get some pictures this time. I never take a camera because I dont want to lose it when im drinking so heavily :|

    I've taken the 'never take a camera' stance one step further by simply not turning up at all. ;-)

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    beavotronbeavotron Registered User regular
    edited February 2009
    awesome grenn!
    <3

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    GrennGrenn Registered User regular
    edited April 2009
    Started this a few weeks ago, then got married and went away on honeymoon, and returned to an email telling me I need to get this done within 24 hours as all the posters from this tour are being featured in a music magazine over here... SO, I'm furiously working on this.

    Pretty happy with it, although I'm probably going to redo (or possibly ditch) the "everything is falling apart" text, and hand-draw the other text at the bottom.

    Hopefully this is now looking a bit more compositionally balanced than the first draft I posted -- though I'm aiming for the chaotic look.

    Comments and crits are most welcome as I've been staring at this for way too long.....

    gallows2_small.jpg

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    GrennGrenn Registered User regular
    edited April 2009
    Back from the printers:

    gall_table.jpg

    gall_wall.jpg

    Very happy with how these turned out - you can read/see more on my process blog.

    EDIT: Just as I posted this, my friend emailed me this: http://dazeddigital.com/ArtsAndCulture/article/3139/1/Gallows_Art

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    TonkkaTonkka Some one in the club tonight Has stolen my ideas.Registered User regular
    edited April 2009
    Grenn wrote: »
    melvins_cardiff.gif

    I fucking love this.

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    Vann DirasVann Diras Registered User regular
    edited April 2009
    oh man, I love Gallows. that is a sick poster, I'd hang that up with pride

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    mullymully Registered User regular
    edited May 2009
    i absolutely love your stuff. been reading your blog, seeing how you do things.. so freaking interesting. you are a genius, also, a superstar.

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    MustangMustang Arbiter of Unpopular Opinions Registered User regular
    edited May 2009
    Wow, the print came out freakin awesome on that one.

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    ManonvonSuperockManonvonSuperock Registered User regular
    edited May 2009
    goddamn. the melvins are still around? Surprising how long a band can last based on the tag line: "the local band the guys from nirvana used to like"

    That is a balling fucking poster though. Then again, I do love some magenta.

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    mullymully Registered User regular
    edited May 2009
    wait, seriously, it's THOSE melvins?

    man i even liked the melvins
    i just assume it wasn't THOSE melvins

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    ProspicienceProspicience The Raven King DenvemoloradoRegistered User regular
    edited May 2009
    I loved it before but hot damn, that turned out incredible holmes.

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    MustangMustang Arbiter of Unpopular Opinions Registered User regular
    edited May 2009
    How come no-one ever calls me holmes? I've been becoming more and more concerned that I'm not as super-fly as I could be.

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    RankenphileRankenphile Passersby were amazed by the unusually large amounts of blood.Registered User, Moderator mod
    edited May 2009
    Tonkka wrote: »
    Grenn wrote: »
    melvins_cardiff.gif

    I fucking love this.
    I would have killed to have been at that show

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    TonkkaTonkka Some one in the club tonight Has stolen my ideas.Registered User regular
    edited May 2009
    goddamn. the melvins are still around? Surprising how long a band can last based on the tag line: "the local band the guys from nirvana used to like"

    That is a balling fucking poster though. Then again, I do love some magenta.

    Not only are they still aorund, they added a drummer and a bass player (they absorbed Big Business).

    Their last album was incredible.

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    GrennGrenn Registered User regular
    edited May 2009
    Tonkka wrote: »
    goddamn. the melvins are still around? Surprising how long a band can last based on the tag line: "the local band the guys from nirvana used to like"

    That is a balling fucking poster though. Then again, I do love some magenta.

    Not only are they still aorund, they added a drummer and a bass player (they absorbed Big Business).

    Their last album was incredible.

    The last two albums, for me. Senile Animal and Nude With Boots are both great, great records and the Melvins have, very cleverly, almost reinvented themselves by absorbing Big Business and going down the dual-drums, dual-vocals route.

    And finally, they are fucking amazing live -- I'm lucky enough to have done 2 posters for them and seen 'em on both tours I did posters for.

    As for the Gallows poster -- I just got a cool email from the printers saying it's their new favourite poster and it was a pleasure to print!

    Also -- Mully, you are far too kind! I am neither a genius or a superstar but I am glad you like my work.

    Cheers doods. 8-)

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    TonkkaTonkka Some one in the club tonight Has stolen my ideas.Registered User regular
    edited May 2009
    Grenn, if you happen to get a job doing one of the Faith No More posters for their summer tour, you will be my idol for like, a whole month.

    Also, I will probably purchase one.

    Or several.

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    GrennGrenn Registered User regular
    edited May 2009
    New poster work:

    beef_webposter.gif

    I tried to really simplify my style with this one, and convey everything with just shapes and textures.

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    sharky tsharky t LondonRegistered User regular
    edited May 2009
    Oh man, your work is incredible!

    Love the Gallows poster

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    VistiVisti Registered User regular
    edited May 2009
    Grenn wrote: »
    Back from the printers:

    gall_table.jpg

    This picture is pure awesome.

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    GrennGrenn Registered User regular
    edited June 2009
    Cheers fellas!

    The beefstock poster probably won't be screenprinted but I think I may rework it into an illustration without the text and do a print of that. I'd like to add some layers of ground underneath and play with the perspective some more.

    EDIT: I bumped myself off...

    beef_webposter.gif

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    beavotronbeavotron Registered User regular
    edited June 2009
    grenn have i told you lately that i love you?

    i don't feel i tell you enough.
    your work has a quality and style that just blows my mind.

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    GrennGrenn Registered User regular
    edited June 2009
    haha, thanks babes. <3

    I think your newer stuff is killing my newer stuff at the moment though... I need to get working on newer-newer stuff!

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    OrikaeshigitaeOrikaeshigitae Registered User, ClubPA regular
    edited June 2009
    arrrt raaaaccceee

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    beavotronbeavotron Registered User regular
    edited June 2009
    no i refuse to art race grenn
    i refuse
    i will fail miserably

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    OrikaeshigitaeOrikaeshigitae Registered User, ClubPA regular
    edited June 2009
    pfft

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