ironzerg, Oblivion had neither awesome storylines nor great NPC interactions.
I disagree whole-heartedly.
Between the guild quests, the Dark Brotherhood, and the main quest line, I had some great, and dare I say, awesome experiences with the stories in Oblivion.
I'm sorry your copy shipped with such a lack of content.
I've done all of that, yes, including the Dark Brotherhood stuff. The NPC interaction is pretty much universally bland and formulaic and I wasn't particularly impressed by any of the storylines, large or small.
Then you might as well just stop being excited about Fallout 3 and never post in this thread again, because it sounds like it's not something you'd care for.
ironzerg, Oblivion had neither awesome storylines nor great NPC interactions.
I disagree whole-heartedly.
Between the guild quests, the Dark Brotherhood, and the main quest line, I had some great, and dare I say, awesome experiences with the stories in Oblivion.
I'm sorry your copy shipped with such a lack of content.
I've done all of that, yes, including the Dark Brotherhood stuff. The NPC interaction is pretty much universally bland and formulaic and I wasn't particularly impressed by any of the storylines, large or small.
Then you might as well just stop being excited about Fallout 3 and never post in this thread again, because it sounds like it's not something you'd care for.
I loved the original Fallout games, especially the first one. Their storytelling, dialogue, and gameplay were miles above Oblivion or for that matter any of the ES games. Considering this is a thread about Fallout, I think it's perfectly reasonable that I post here.
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Personally, so long as the game has Fallout-style dialog, I'm fine. I couldn't stand that godforsaken wheel in Oblivion, and the "pick a topic" system for Morrowind was serviceable but so damn bland. I want dialog to mean something. I can't expect it to mean as much as, say, Planescape: Torment because of voice acting and the tldr problem, but still, a man can dream...
I'm playing through Fallout 2 on my cute little "GSP White Label" Fallout collection I got from Amazon a while ago, and I just hope they capture the feeling and charm of the predecssors.
I don't want the exact same thing, but I want that same atmosphere and feeling - from what I've seen of the movie previews, they've done that.
OK, I realize that our constant pessimism annoys you Djiem, but your constant optimism can have the same effect. Yes, it will at the very least be a good game (and probably has a good chance of being this years bioshock). We know there is a chance that it'll be the greatest thing since sliced bread, but to assume that they'll fix everything is just as silly as assuming that it'll be a total trainwreck
OK, I realize that our constant pessimism annoys you Djiem, but your constant optimism can have the same effect. Yes, it will at the very least be a good game (and probably has a good chance of being this years bioshock). We know there is a chance that it'll be the greatest thing since sliced bread, but to assume that they'll fix everything is just as silly as assuming that it'll be a total trainwreck
They've said they're going to fix things, way to not pay attention.
That said, my spite for certain parts of Oblivion aside, Bethesda are not horrible developers, and I do think this will be an improvement. I think a lot of us are just worried because of the immense respect we have for the Fallout games and not wanting to be let down.
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Anyway, my point was that saying that it'll be perfect because bethesda is perfect and/or oblivion is perfect is just as annoying as saying that it'll suck because bethesda and/or oblivion suck.
I think Oblivion/Morrowind demonstrate game-making skill at very high levels. A lot of what is wrong with Oblivion were deliberate choices or experimentation and not based on inability- and almost all of them have been explicitly denied as going to be part of Fallout 3.
Anyway, my point was that saying that it'll be perfect because bethesda is perfect and/or oblivion is perfect is just as annoying as saying that it'll suck because bethesda and/or oblivion suck.
Good thing nobody said that then. To be honest, I never got very far in Oblivion, I found it too boring. Morrowind, on the other hand, ate up hours upon hours of my life.
OK, I realize that our constant pessimism annoys you Djiem, but your constant optimism can have the same effect. Yes, it will at the very least be a good game (and probably has a good chance of being this years bioshock). We know there is a chance that it'll be the greatest thing since sliced bread, but to assume that they'll fix everything is just as silly as assuming that it'll be a total trainwreck
Call me crazy, but I always thought the point of these pre-release threads was to talk about our excitement leading up to a game.
Yes, some caution might be warranted, but there's just not much point in talking about a game pre-release if all you have to say is "I'm pretty sure this won't be a fun game".
Want would you guys be saying now if Troika was still around and making this game?
I'd be saying "I sure hope they don't fuck this up and release a buggy, unfinished game with a lot of potential for being awesome that'll never be realized"...since that happened with every single game they worked on.
I wish they were still around and just had a much better support system to Q&A their games.
OK, I realize that our constant pessimism annoys you Djiem, but your constant optimism can have the same effect. Yes, it will at the very least be a good game (and probably has a good chance of being this years bioshock). We know there is a chance that it'll be the greatest thing since sliced bread, but to assume that they'll fix everything is just as silly as assuming that it'll be a total trainwreck
Call me crazy, but I always thought the point of these pre-release threads was to talk about our excitement leading up to a game.
Yes, some caution might be warranted, but there's just not much point in talking about a game pre-release if all you have to say is "I'm pretty sure this won't be a fun game".
I thought the point of these threads was to discuss the game. Call me crazy.
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Want would you guys be saying now if Troika was still around and making this game?
I'd be saying "I sure hope they don't fuck this up and release a buggy, unfinished game with a lot of potential for being awesome that'll never be realized"...since that happened with every single game they worked on.
I wish they were still around and just had a much better support system to Q&A their games.
At least we still have obsidian
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Want would you guys be saying now if Troika was still around and making this game?
I'd be saying "I sure hope they don't fuck this up and release a buggy, unfinished game with a lot of potential for being awesome that'll never be realized"...since that happened with every single game they worked on.
I wish they were still around and just had a much better support system to Q&A their games.
This time when your car disappears with all your items it's got bump mapping!!
sometimes when I see bitching like this about FO3 it makes me hope they throw in all the canon stuff that NMA types hate, like ghosts and psychic powers. It might help remind people that there is stuff in the original games they don't like all that much.
Scientology parody, superintelligent scoprion, gagball anal rape, talking potted plant, visions from some healer in a tribal village, ghost apparition of dead person, time-travelling paradox in which YOU break Vault 13's chip...
Scientology parody, superintelligent scoprion, gagball anal rape, talking potted plant, visions from some healer in a tribal village, ghost apparition of dead person, time-travelling paradox in which YOU break Vault 13's chip...
Fallout is serious stuff.
this one needs a time paradox that has you some how causing the drought in FO2
Scientology parody, superintelligent scoprion, gagball anal rape, talking potted plant, visions from some healer in a tribal village, ghost apparition of dead person, time-travelling paradox in which YOU break Vault 13's chip...
Fallout is serious stuff.
this one needs a time paradox that has you some how causing the drought in FO2
You know what we need? A secret movie or a short story when you finish the main storyline about how the government decided to create the vaults project, their intentions, their studies, how people were chosen, what happened in the other vaults, etc, kinda like that Star Wars book about the creation of the Death Star.
I am super, super excited that the Enclave is in Fallout 3. If the regular power armour model is anything to go by, encountering an Enclave soldier is going to be one of the most terrifying things that will happen in the game.
Has there been any word on whether there will be support for mods? That would be nice, instead of people having to do some serious hacking to fix Beth's mistakes.
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So hey, I don't remember reading about this in this thread. It seems like you australiatards might not get an uber-gimped version of FO3 after all.
So it's OK if the drugs are contextual within a fictional universe. It's OK if they're fictional drugs. It's OK if the game doesn't promote the use of proscribed (or, real) drugs.
Sounds like the game's use of morphine was the sticking point. By referencing only fictional drugs in this report, and reminding us that the encouragement of the use of "proscribed" drugs is a no-no, it looks likely that all that's been removed from the Australian version of the game is the morphine. Or, more realistically, that morphine has been given a fictional rebranding.
Course that's just speculation on our part, as with Bethesda refusing to comment on the matter until the game's out we're unable to confirm it, but that's certainly what it looks like.
So morphine was the sticking point? Not Psycho, a drug that drives the user into a berserk, psychotic rage? Not Buffout, a super steroid that leaves the user functionally brain damaged whilst strong as an ox? Not Mentats, a drug that enhances the user's intellect to alien proportions whilst degrading their body? Not Jet, a drug which is literally an amphetamine brewed out of two headed cow feces?
Good grief, it's nice to know the Australian OFLC is being consistent.
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It doesn't matter if a game included a drug like Pure Evil, a brew made from the blood of 666 of the world's most evil villains, that made you rape babies and make holy water boil. It's not a real drug, like morphine is.
I think Oblivion/Morrowind demonstrate game-making skill at very high levels. A lot of what is wrong with Oblivion were deliberate choices or experimentation and not based on inability- and almost all of them have been explicitly denied as going to be part of Fallout 3.
Just wanted to reiterate this thought because it's probably the truest statement about Oblivion versus Fallout 3 in recent posting.
And from another poster...
I'd be saying "I sure hope they don't fuck this up and release a buggy, unfinished game with a lot of potential for being awesome that'll never be realized"...since that happened with every single game they worked on.
I don't think you can substantiate this claim. I played through the entire quest line in Oblivion, never experienced a game breaking bug, finished the game (with a complete story) and found the ending to be pretty awesome. Yes, Oblivion may not have been what your wetdream wanted it to be, but that by no means makes it a "fuck up".
I swear, the way some people post about the game, you'd think they actually bought home a 40 year old, hairy fat guy who touched them in the bathing suit area, when the really though they were buying a copy of a Oblivion.
EDIT. I messed this quote up. My apologies. Imagine the context was another poster ranting about how Bethesda is "like the bad at making games", and not someone talking about the disaster that would've occurred if Troika developing Fallout 3. I'll take my demerits like a man.
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I'd be saying "I sure hope they don't fuck this up and release a buggy, unfinished game with a lot of potential for being awesome that'll never be realized"...since that happened with every single game they worked on.
I don't think you can substantiate this claim. I played through the entire quest line in Oblivion, never experienced a game breaking bug, finished the game (with a complete story) and found the ending to be pretty awesome. Yes, Oblivion may not have been what your wetdream wanted it to be, but that by no means makes it a "fuck up".
I swear, the way some people post about the game, you'd think they actually bought home a 40 year old, hairy fat guy who touched them in the bathing suit area, when the really though they were buying a copy of a Oblivion.
He's talking about what would happen if Troika was developing Fallout 3.
I'd be saying "I sure hope they don't fuck this up and release a buggy, unfinished game with a lot of potential for being awesome that'll never be realized"...since that happened with every single game they worked on.
I don't think you can substantiate this claim. I played through the entire quest line in Oblivion, never experienced a game breaking bug, finished the game (with a complete story) and found the ending to be pretty awesome. Yes, Oblivion may not have been what your wetdream wanted it to be, but that by no means makes it a "fuck up".
I swear, the way some people post about the game, you'd think they actually bought home a 40 year old, hairy fat guy who touched them in the bathing suit area, when the really though they were buying a copy of a Oblivion.
What BigDes said, dude. That post was about Troika.
Also it was about Arcanum, aka Oh, Such Wasted Opportunity!
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We don't know yet what Fallout 3 will be like!
I loved the original Fallout games, especially the first one. Their storytelling, dialogue, and gameplay were miles above Oblivion or for that matter any of the ES games. Considering this is a thread about Fallout, I think it's perfectly reasonable that I post here.
I don't want the exact same thing, but I want that same atmosphere and feeling - from what I've seen of the movie previews, they've done that.
They've said they're going to fix things, way to not pay attention.
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And I don't know know how you got that I thought they wouldn't fix anything from my post
That said, my spite for certain parts of Oblivion aside, Bethesda are not horrible developers, and I do think this will be an improvement. I think a lot of us are just worried because of the immense respect we have for the Fallout games and not wanting to be let down.
Good thing nobody said that then. To be honest, I never got very far in Oblivion, I found it too boring. Morrowind, on the other hand, ate up hours upon hours of my life.
Call me crazy, but I always thought the point of these pre-release threads was to talk about our excitement leading up to a game.
Yes, some caution might be warranted, but there's just not much point in talking about a game pre-release if all you have to say is "I'm pretty sure this won't be a fun game".
I'd be saying "I sure hope they don't fuck this up and release a buggy, unfinished game with a lot of potential for being awesome that'll never be realized"...since that happened with every single game they worked on.
I wish they were still around and just had a much better support system to Q&A their games.
I thought the point of these threads was to discuss the game. Call me crazy.
At least we still have obsidian
This time when your car disappears with all your items it's got bump mapping!!
Fallout is serious stuff.
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this one needs a time paradox that has you some how causing the drought in FO2
You know what we need? A secret movie or a short story when you finish the main storyline about how the government decided to create the vaults project, their intentions, their studies, how people were chosen, what happened in the other vaults, etc, kinda like that Star Wars book about the creation of the Death Star.
http://kotaku.com/5036359/revised-fallout-3-edition-drugs-justified-by-context
So morphine was the sticking point? Not Psycho, a drug that drives the user into a berserk, psychotic rage? Not Buffout, a super steroid that leaves the user functionally brain damaged whilst strong as an ox? Not Mentats, a drug that enhances the user's intellect to alien proportions whilst degrading their body? Not Jet, a drug which is literally an amphetamine brewed out of two headed cow feces?
Good grief, it's nice to know the Australian OFLC is being consistent.
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From what we've heard, the music is very different, but still sounds pretty fucking good.
What's Mark Morgan up to these days anyway?
I for one would be far more optimistic, although not as optimistic as I would be for Obsidian.
I'm fine with that.
Just wanted to reiterate this thought because it's probably the truest statement about Oblivion versus Fallout 3 in recent posting.
And from another poster...
I don't think you can substantiate this claim. I played through the entire quest line in Oblivion, never experienced a game breaking bug, finished the game (with a complete story) and found the ending to be pretty awesome. Yes, Oblivion may not have been what your wetdream wanted it to be, but that by no means makes it a "fuck up".
I swear, the way some people post about the game, you'd think they actually bought home a 40 year old, hairy fat guy who touched them in the bathing suit area, when the really though they were buying a copy of a Oblivion.
EDIT. I messed this quote up. My apologies. Imagine the context was another poster ranting about how Bethesda is "like the bad at making games", and not someone talking about the disaster that would've occurred if Troika developing Fallout 3. I'll take my demerits like a man.
Please.
He's talking about what would happen if Troika was developing Fallout 3.
Could it have been anything else?
Fallout: Serious Business.
(If that isn't a demotivational poster yet, I'm going to make it one.)
Also it was about Arcanum, aka Oh, Such Wasted Opportunity!