Pokémon (Tournament OVER) - Chen Wins! Also TRU Shaymin giveaway Feb. now-14th

BlueBlue

Welcome to the world of Pokémon!




Oh Snap! March 22nd, everyone!
The important thing about Platinum is recording your replays and spoiling other people's precious secret movesets.


How do I play Pokémon?!
Let's start with the basics.

...
Alright enough of all that let me show you how to really play pokemon.

Spoiler:

Welcome to Solaceon Town, get used to it.


First you're going to need something with flame body, to make your eggs hatch faster.


Drop your pokeparents off here. Make sure they are awesome enough! Awesome parents beget awesome children.
Males pass down moves, females determine species and (when holding an everstone, 50% of the time) nature.


You'll be getting this a lot.
Now, let's ride around until they realize what a thin line there is between love and hate.


See interesting sights!


Meet interesting people!.....uh.. how's that egg coming? Better go check.


It is impolite to explain the facts of life to other people's children. He knows how it got there.


Let's ride around some more! Three cheers for a long, unobstructed stretch of ground.


Oya?


Oh man, what's it going to be?


It's a GARDEVOIR! Great!


Some people like to nickname their hatchlings to keep track of them, but I don't.


Now we need to check to see if it's worth keeping. Lonely nature? This one obviously sucks.


I can't even stand to look at you. What a waste of time.


This one is more like it! Modest nature, but impetuous and silly? Not good enough for me, but maybe if you're just starting out this would be an ok result. It all depends on how much breeding you can stand. Patience is rewarded, however!


Holy shit! This is so great and rare that I'm going to give it a nickname!


This way you can tell it apart from a hacked shiny. Yep, the only way to be sure.


Looks like this passes preliminary tests - "Somewhat vain" indicates that the highest stat is in special defense, and that the hidden "IV" ends in a 1 or 6. Since 31 is the highest value, this could be good news! We'll have to do an IV check to be absolutely sure.


To do an IV check, we'll need to view our stats as they would be at level 100, which can be accomplished in an online level 100 battle.


View the summary of the pokemon you want to check. Yep, those sure look like numbers, but what do they mean? We'll have to plug them in, along with the nature, into an IV calculator, available at an internet near you.


This is Serebii's calculator! Well, this looks like a pretty good pokemon. When you get a good pokemon like this, you can either keep it, or use it as a parent to try and breed something even better!
HAHAHA, FAT FUCKING CHANCE, BITCHES


*Ahem*
Well so that's all there is to pokemon breeding, now just go do that 5 more times and you're got yourself a team! Some people like to waste their time making really crappy pokemon, and some people like to waste their time making really good pokemon. The world of pokemon is one full of difficult choices.

Good luck!

NOW SOME GENERAL BATTLING RULES. WITH CAPS

- Pokémon battles through Wi-fi automatically level your Pokémon to either levels 50 or 100. So you don't have to train them to level 100 yourself, saving a lot of time.
-Sleep Clause: you may not put more than one of your opponent's Pokémon to sleep at a time.
-Species Clause: your team must be comprised of six different species of Pokémon.
-Suicide Clause: If both players are down to their last Pokémon, the player with the first Pokémon to hit 0 HP is the loser. In other words, using moves like Self Destruct and Explosion cause you to lose, even if it kills your opponent. However, using a move with a recoil that kill both you and your opponent is a win for you.
-No Legendary Pokémon whatsoever.
-No Wobbuffet. You may ask "Wynaut?", but you should already know.
-No Garchomp. You may ask "Wynaut?", and I really couldn't tell you.

Pokémon Resources:

PokéMart: All Pokémon trading can be done here: http://forums.penny-arcade.com/showthread.php?t=25308. READ THE RULES

Strategies that have been proven useful

GameFAQs, links posted by Kay
Natures Chart.

Pokédex.

General Breeding/Customization FAQ.

Pokédexes
Psypokes
Serebii's Pokédex
Marriland's Pokedex
Veekun -Narian

IV Calculators
Metal Kid's IV Calculator
Serebii's IV Calculator
Psypokes' IV Calculator

Team Builder
Marriland's Pokémon Team Builder - Figure out your team's strengths and weaknesses!

EV Training
Psypokés' Guide
Serebii's


Art Resources
Sprites from every game
Ken Sugimori art of every Pokémon

Community
Smogon is big on competitive battling

Serebii forums will melt your soul. Beware.

Wi-Fi Help
FAQ on trading and GTS
Serebii has one for battling

Everything
Bulbapedia... everything about Pokémon. Has high traffic, so load times will be long-ish

And now, some useless knowledge!

- Pokémon is a made-up composite word.
- None of the Pokémons' names change in Spanish translations from either continent, yet, they change in France, Italy and some others. Oh yeah, Latin America hasn't got the Spain Spanish translation since the RBY days, by the way.
- Ledian is based on Pulseman, which is a character from another game made by Game Freak, but it was released on the Genesis/Mega Drive.
- Pulseman's nemesis was the Galaxy Gang. Sound familiar?
- If you evolve a Pokémon with a Japanese name on an American GBA cart, and that name was the default one, it will keep its name. But if you do that on DP, its name will be the evolution's. It won't change if it's an actual nickname, though.
- Infernape is based on Sun Wukong, a character from a very old Chinese Book called Journey to the West. Sun Wukong is pronounced Son Goku in Japanese, and he bore a staff while flying on a cloud.

And now, some slightly more useful knowledge.

- You can get new wallpapers for your boxes in Jubilife City's TV station. Details here.
- Pokémon Battle Revolution sucks, unless you can find it for cheap.
- Pokémon Ranch: Pokémon go in, what comes out? MOTHERFUCKERS!
- You can check an Eggs Nature before it hatches. Heres how.

Spoiler:

This isn't a hack, it's more a glitch in the game. It's a very useful glitch.

First, save before you pick up an egg from the Day Care Center, then head to a PC. I use the one in the Day Care Center, 'cause it's right there.

Now, you need two empty boxes next to each other, so that you can switch quickly from one to the other with L and R*. Put your egg in the first position in one box, switch to the box next to it (via L or R), and place a hatched Pokémon in first position in this new box, so that it's in the same position as the egg.

*BlueNote: If your controls are set to L=A, then this won't work!

Next, use L or R to switch to the box with the Pokémon in it. Hover your cursor over said Pokémon, and you'll notice that a) the cursor will bounce, and b) a display at the bottom left will give you the Pokémon's item, then type, then nature, then ability, before cycling through to item again. Get a feel for the rhythm (it's about four and a half bounces of the cursor between changes, roughly), then switch from the box with the Pokémon in it to the box with the egg in it, just before the display changes from Type to Nature. If you've timed it right, you'll see the Nature of the Pokémon in the egg for a brief second before it clears. If you're too soon, you may see the egg's Type briefly instead. Practice makes perfect! You can do the same for Ability too, by timing it just as the display shifts from Nature to Ability on the Pokémon.

If the egg has the wrong nature or ability, simply soft-reset (L+R+Select+Start), talk to the Day Care guy, and tell him you don't want it. You have to say no to every option, or he gives it to you. Nature and Ability are set when the egg is laid, IVs are set when the egg is picked up. This is actually a notable difference. If you save, pick up an egg, and check nature/ability then hatch and check IVs, reload, and do the same, the nature/ability will be the same, but the IVs will be different.
Oh my god

Fear Drifloon!

mrsnackroad

MushyRacer is using the only Floatzel in the tournament?!

I'm very disappointed I missed sign ups for this, but not as disappointed as I am in Kay for not bringing Shivneas.

AshtonDragon

New thread hooray.
I wonder if I would get any kind of decent placing if I win my next round.

Emerlmaster999

Holy balls that's a lot of Salamences and Gengars.

Anyone up for two IV checks? Got some new plans for Platinum that need sorting out.

InvisibleInk

Seriously Blue, http://www.pokemonelite2000.com/sprites/dpffa/dpffa450.png
I want the right Hippowdon listed under my name!

so, still no round 6 match set up for me? I bet I'll have to fight BlueBlue...

Emerlmaster999

Ink, IV check pulease?

Nerdgasmic

Aw, man. Only about 3 or so Pokemon learn Gastro Acid by Move Tutor in Platinum that didn't learn it in some other way in D/P.


Man.


We should have an uber ladder. 100% hacked Pokes, purely for fun and a completely different metagame.

BlueBlue

I think you overestimate the number of people with that kind of access.

InvisibleInk

Emerlmaster999 wrote: »

Ink, IV check pulease?

Yeah, ok. I'll head online.
Have you seen my shinies before? I think you have. Can't remember.

Nerdgasmic

It'd still be pretty fun, though.

Emerlmaster999

Yeah, we did that before with the same Pokemon I'm trying again.

InvisibleInk

Well i'm bringin'em anyway.
2 checks?

Emerlmaster999

Thanks Ink, I've already got a promising one!

Make that THREE promising ones! It's like the game is apologizing to me for making me breed well over 50 of these damn things to try to get one that actually works!

Terrendos

Who said the line that is now the title of the thread? Some random guy, or was it someone important like Rival or a gym leader?

RavynBlackheart

Just posting to ask why I'm playing through Crystal and torturing myself with the hope of a current gen multi-region Pokemon game. I'd kill for a remake of the Johto games or even a game that encompasses all the regions we've gone to so far (Kanto, Johto, Orre, Fiore, Hoenn, Sinnoh). I'd love to go through Orre again.

Nerdgasmic

Terrendos wrote: »

Who said the line that is now the title of the thread? Some random guy, or was it someone important like Rival or a gym leader?

I think it was the G/S/C rival. Someone in Gold. I remember seeing it recently.

Emerlmaster999

I second the motion of a remake of GSC or one that featured all the regions (except the non-canon ones, I would think four regions would be more than enough). But alas, we all know deep down that it shall never happen.

BlueBlue

It was a trainer in Koga's Poison Gym.

InvisibleInk

and then that trainer proceeded to use Poison Gas on you and it never hit in the 5 or 6 turns it took you to beat his team.

Emerlmaster999

Yeah, it's humorous how the NPC trainers always brag about the supposed "skillz" of their two Rattata and Pidgey.


After careful analysis of the Type Chart, I narrowed it down to two of the three promising Pokemon Ink witnessed. They are both viable for different purposes and as such, will both be used in Platinum. The third will remain, however, just in case I decide one of the two doesn't work out as well.

Munkus Beaver

Fear the rattatta.

Emerlmaster999

I don't really get the internet's hard-on for FEAR Rattata. It's got very little in offensive power, gets disrupted by priority moves, Stealth Rock/Spikes, and Sandstorm/Hail, and is completely useless against Ghosts.

SirToasty

Where be Chen? I probably missed him again. Guess I'll catch him tomorrow night.

edit: FEAR is insanely predictable too. You see a fucking Rattata or Pidgey or some other base form you know what's coming. So you switch out to something that can put it down in one shot completely circumventing the whole strategy and taking minimal damage as it trys to stop you.

Nerdgasmic

Smeargle makes a good FEAR for all those reasons, I would think.

BlueBlue

<Pokemon> sucks so hard! All you need to do is switch to <Counter>.

SirToasty

But FEAR genuinely sucks hard Blue. You can switch to ANYTHING and beat it.

JaysonFour

...so you're essentially passing over actual tournament worthy pokes to run something that would only work if your name was Ash Ketchum? It sounds like some sort of horrible strategy one would get off the anime.

dingus xavier

You don't NEED to use a rattata or Pidgey. Use a Mamoswine, say- it gets Endeavor and Ice Shard.

SirToasty

Question: Does Stealth Rock negate a Focus Sash on a Shedinja and kill it instantly? I'm pretty sure it does but I was just wondering.

BlueBlue

SirToasty wrote: »

But FEAR genuinely sucks hard Blue. You can switch to ANYTHING and beat it.

Heh, why would someone switch out? Surely they can handle a weak little rattata! FEAR is a great pokemon.

SirToasty

BlueBlue wrote: »

SirToasty wrote: »

But FEAR genuinely sucks hard Blue. You can switch to ANYTHING and beat it.

Heh, why would someone switch out? Surely they can handle a weak little rattata! FEAR is a great pokemon if your opponent is clueless.

JaysonFour

I think I get the idea- you bring it in, get it to slap something, then switch it out before it gets squished? Nice, for the one time it might work- then you'll know it's coming.

EDIT: Or you read about it online and keep it in mind from then on. Might as well run Destiny Bond and kill the attacker outright if needed.

BlueBlue

SirToasty wrote: »

BlueBlue wrote: »

SirToasty wrote: »

But FEAR genuinely sucks hard Blue. You can switch to ANYTHING and beat it.

Heh, why would someone switch out? Surely they can handle a weak little rattata! FEAR is a great pokemon if your opponent is clueless.

Exactly. The whole idea is that they don't see it coming. They probably can't see past their own shiny palkia to even know what you are using.

Terrendos

Yeah, I'm inclined to wonder why anyone would use an actual Rattata for FEAR. I personally would use Kangaskhan. Endeavor via Egg Move and Sucker Punch, plus you can throw in a couple of other good moves like Outrage if you think your opponent suspects something. The main problem would be the probability of it surviving with a bunch of HP, but considering how common Close Combat and other powerful Fighting moves I wouldn't be too worried. Plus Sucker Punch ought to be enough to finish off even a Poke that isn't quite at 1 HP yet.

SirToasty

JaysonFour wrote: »

I think I get the idea- you bring it in, get it to slap something, then switch it out before it gets squished? Nice, for the one time it might work- then you'll know it's coming.

EDIT: Or you read about it online and keep it in mind from then on. Might as well run Destiny Bond and kill the attacker outright if needed.

Focus Sash keeps the weakling alive (it should be as slow as possible with low defenses) and then you use Endeavor on that turn to bring the opponent to 1 HP and Quick Attack the next turn for the kill. But then you have a totally useless Rattata or similar with 1 HP that could have been something that could take out the opponent's pokemon anyway.

JaysonFour

BlueBlue wrote: »

Exactly. The whole idea is that they don't see it coming. They probably can't see past their own shiny palkia to even know what you are using.

Uh, Blue, even I could see that one coming from a mile away. You might see a Trapinch or three, but someone pulling out Rattata or Pidgey? Either that person has as much competitive experience as I do or they're hoping to play someone with as much experience as I have.

Otherwise it'll raise one hell of an "Uh-oh, sneaky shit comin'" flag in anyone else's mind. You might get a couple of wins over newbies with it, but that's it.

Nerdgasmic

Smeargle FEAR avoids a lot of those problems.


Except the whole "Only kill one Pokemon" thing, but I only said it was better.

SirToasty

It nets you a kill but guarantees one for the opponent as well. Totally pointless. You might as well explode on them.

Speaking of Explosion, I want to make a Lickilicky for the sole purpose of having the most powerful attack in the game at my disposal: STAB and Choice Band Explosion.

SirToasty

Holy crap. I just ran a Lickilicky with max Attack, max attack boosts and a Choice Band using critical hit Explosion against a Happiny with minimum defense and max defense reduction through a damage calculator.

Over 1,000,000 damage.

JaysonFour

...need any ketchup for the scrambled egg?

I might go into breeding heavily- got a lot of untouched "caught-for-the-pokedex" guys in my games. I'm looting my R/S/E/FR games of any useful pokemon so I can see just what I have. LG is being used to pillage Colosseum and XD. When I can IV test them all (maybe 350-400 in all), then I'll know what I have.

But I've been meaning to IV check my shiny Shellos to see if it's any good.

InvisibleInk

Well I fear the Rattata.
I have a small handful of priority, one ghost, no rocks/spikes. I do have sandstorm, but maybe its not up yet? or maybe I didn't bring the Hippo.
and its not like Rattata has to be at 1HP to deal damage with Endeavor. Even at full health it only has maybe 100 HP? That definitely sucks for anyone that doesn't have recovery.
Anyway, its not going to devastate a team but it can deal an annoying amount of damage to most anything with little effort. How do you protect yourself from taking any damage? Switch to a ghost? Or have something with a priority attack already out and the Rat has to lose its sash to spikes or something.
I don't think thats difficult for the fear user to avoid.