The Office is too diminished, both in the ratings and creatively, to launch a successful spinoff now. The time to launch one would have been when the show was still a beloved show generating great numbers. Now it's just shambling along waiting to be put out of its misery. Who would watch a spinoff when most people don't even watch the actual show any more?
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You know, honestly, Michael's last episode really would have made the best jumping off point. Not that there hasn't been enjoyable moments this season, but from a pacing perspective, it would have been nice to have that bookend.
And then possibly have the remaining episode(s) be an epilogue/the fallout from the documentary being released? Could have been, should have been.
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I'm glad Family Matters got a mention on the previous page about being a successful spinoff, that it doesn't even connect that way is a sign of its success (except for the last season, that was terrible).
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I find it somewhat amusing that when the Office was first broadcast part of its appeal was the departure from a studio audience, laughter track etc. which is exactly what Catherine Tate made her name in.
Now, as the Office USA descends into that sort of humour, Tate joins the programme.
The programme really has no semblance to how it started - it was meant to resemble what working in an office is like. Now it has become so abstracted from that original purpose, the office just seems to be a location and springboard for crazy hijinks.
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I find it somewhat amusing that when the Office was first broadcast part of its appeal was the departure from a studio audience, laughter track etc. which is exactly what Catherine Tate made her name in.
Now, as the Office USA descends into that sort of humour, Tate joins the programme.
The programme really has no semblance to how it started - it was meant to resemble what working in an office is like. Now it has become so abstracted from that original purpose, the office just seems to be a location and springboard for crazy hijinks.
I asked this earlier, but never got a response. Does anyone know if the writers or producers are different now? There has to be some reason for the drastic change in writing quality, and even the overall format of the show.
Starting with Season 5 (around the time Parks and Rec started/was being developed, I believe), Paul Lieberstein took over the showrunner position from Greg Daniels. They also lost some writers (the biggest being Michael Schur) to Parks and Recreation at that point.
I believe that was the only "big" change the show underwent creatively throughout its run. I don't think anything more recent has occurred.
a part of me wants this show to just end already so craig robinson (daryl ) can move onto a bigger project
his hilarity is being crushed by the rest of the ensemble on the office
Man, Scott's Tots is such an uncomfortable episode. You know Michael isn't intentionally a bad person, but he had so many opportunities to get out of that. Years, even.
It's right up there with, but a bit above of, dumping Pam's mom on her birthday.
Ugh.
"Hey, you know this person who has been nothing but terrible for as long as we've known them, and is making our work lives actively terrible? I just found out about something that happened to them a while ago, so we should be super nice to them now".
Plus, I've been constantly muting the TV during the Andy and Erin parts of this episode.
If Nellie isn't gone by the end of this episode, I'm officially done with this show.
Ugh.
"Hey, you know this person who has been nothing but terrible for as long as we've known them, and is making our work lives actively terrible? I just found out about something that happened to them a while ago, so we should be super nice to them now".
Plus, I've been constantly muting the TV during the Andy and Erin parts of this episode.
If Nellie isn't gone by the end of this episode, I'm officially done with this show.
There's nothing wrong with The Office without Carrell. If these guys went and pitched an ensemble comedy starring Ed Helms, Kracsinski, Rainn Wilson, and Craig Robinson it would be greenlit in an instant. The show is still funny. It's not at its best any more, but no show is after it's been on so long. People are used to the characters you know what to expect already. It doesn't mean it's still not funny.
Robert California had previously seemed like an eccentric genius to me, but this episode made me wonder if he really knew what he was doing. I mean his complete inability to resolve the situation at the beginning of the episode was directly responsible for putting Andy in such a shitty position, which then led to his firing Andy. Andy and Erin were great but the rest of the dynamics going on in that episode just irritated me.
If Nelly becomes the permanent manager I think I'm done with the show. I hope that the next episode has the office degenerate so badly that Andy or someone else replaces her.
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I really, really liked this episode. It wasn't particularly funny, but it had some really good character work. Let's see if they stick with it.
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Hopefully this stuff with Andy isn't over. The Nelly stuff is a funny diversion, but if Andy doesn't his manager position back, I'm not going to be happy.
EDIT: Another thing that pisses me off is how Robert California let Nelly walk all over him, but when Andy finally pulled the exact same "No" thing, Robert fired him. Why didn't he just fire Nelly when she started that shit?
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Hopefully this stuff with Andy isn't over. The Nelly stuff is a funny diversion, but if Andy doesn't his manager position back, I'm not going to be happy.
EDIT: Another thing that pisses me off is how Robert California let Nelly walk all over him, but when Andy finally pulled the exact same "No" thing, Robert fired him. Why didn't he just fire Nelly when she started that shit?
He doesn't want to bonehave sex with Andy.
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Finale Spoilers:
I read that the finale has Andy holding Robert's feet to the fire over some information (blackmail!). I imagine that Nellie and Robert will be gone by season's end, especially since it was released that James Spader is leaving the cast after this season, and Andy will be back as manager.
If they're looking to end the show for good, I hope Jim gets the manager job. That'd make the show a nice character arc for him of "Your dreams are going to die in a fire" with a dash of "but sometimes that's okay".
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This week seemed like it should've been the first half of a two parter or something.
I also noticed that Andy is still up as the boss in the credits, which tells me that Nellie is going away at some point. I liked her trying to get Daryl to like her though, especially with having no idea what a taco is or how to eat one. And the Kevin fake out at the end was great.
Apparently, the only certain thing is writing out Robert California. And there's apparently some sort of cliffhanger to carry over to next year, which 1) isn't official yet and 2) still doesn't have the main cast (except for Dwight) signed.
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Just caught last night's ep on Hulu.
It was really good, even if it was just rehashing the same storyline from three years ago.
Andy deserves his Cornell Business School Diploma.
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It just felt abnormally well put together for the Office in the last few seasons.
Andy got some fucking balls and showed a level of competence that virtually no one on the show has in ages.
Wasn't the funniest episode, but one of the best in my mind. I'm actually interested in what happens with the finale/next season now. Who knew?
EDIT: And Dwight/Jim felt like classic Dwight/Jim rivals/frienemies and less like a bumbling slapstick duo. In fact everyone showed a level of competence that they haven't since the early seasons before everyone became caricatures of themselves. Was it a new writer or something?
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And then possibly have the remaining episode(s) be an epilogue/the fallout from the documentary being released? Could have been, should have been.
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I wouldn't. Creed's fun as a background weirdo, he'd be dead boring as a main character.
Unless you watch Archer and imagine that this is Creed's life in the 60s.
Now, as the Office USA descends into that sort of humour, Tate joins the programme.
The programme really has no semblance to how it started - it was meant to resemble what working in an office is like. Now it has become so abstracted from that original purpose, the office just seems to be a location and springboard for crazy hijinks.
I asked this earlier, but never got a response. Does anyone know if the writers or producers are different now? There has to be some reason for the drastic change in writing quality, and even the overall format of the show.
I believe that was the only "big" change the show underwent creatively throughout its run. I don't think anything more recent has occurred.
his hilarity is being crushed by the rest of the ensemble on the office
It's right up there with, but a bit above of, dumping Pam's mom on her birthday.
This is almost as uncomfortable as Scott's Tots, but I liked Scott's Tots better
I stopped watching when Florida started, and I started watching again just tonight. Pretty bad. Only two more episodes this season though, I think.
Woah, Florida is some of the best stuff this season, some of the best in years, really.
You gots ta get caught up.
"Hey, you know this person who has been nothing but terrible for as long as we've known them, and is making our work lives actively terrible? I just found out about something that happened to them a while ago, so we should be super nice to them now".
Plus, I've been constantly muting the TV during the Andy and Erin parts of this episode.
If Nellie isn't gone by the end of this episode, I'm officially done with this show.
The Andy Griffith Show was a good spin-off. YMMV on its spin-off, Gomer Pyle USMC.
Good Times coming from Maude wasn't too bad.
She's the new manager. For goods.
Woo.
What is with the world these days wanting to just reboot stuff even when it's not necessary?
I fully expect some kind of reckoning when Andy returns to Scranton next episode.
California is obviously up to something.
I prefer to give the writer's benefit of the doubt for now.
I'm interested to see where they take this.
If Nelly becomes the permanent manager I think I'm done with the show. I hope that the next episode has the office degenerate so badly that Andy or someone else replaces her.
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EDIT: Another thing that pisses me off is how Robert California let Nelly walk all over him, but when Andy finally pulled the exact same "No" thing, Robert fired him. Why didn't he just fire Nelly when she started that shit?
He doesn't want to bonehave sex with Andy.
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If they're looking to end the show for good, I hope Jim gets the manager job. That'd make the show a nice character arc for him of "Your dreams are going to die in a fire" with a dash of "but sometimes that's okay".
That's the first thing I thought of when I saw Andy's box.
Electronic composer for hire.
Terrifying, I know.
Like a fungus or a like a tumor?
Semi-spoilers for end of the season:
It was really good, even if it was just rehashing the same storyline from three years ago.
Andy deserves his Cornell Business School Diploma.
It's a minor rehash, but it's being handled differently enough that I'm okay with it.
I'm also super excited about
It just felt abnormally well put together for the Office in the last few seasons.
Andy got some fucking balls and showed a level of competence that virtually no one on the show has in ages.
Wasn't the funniest episode, but one of the best in my mind. I'm actually interested in what happens with the finale/next season now. Who knew?
EDIT: And Dwight/Jim felt like classic Dwight/Jim rivals/frienemies and less like a bumbling slapstick duo. In fact everyone showed a level of competence that they haven't since the early seasons before everyone became caricatures of themselves. Was it a new writer or something?
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