I had meant to bounce you out of Greece. Ah well...
"The only way to get rid of a temptation is to give into it." - Oscar Wilde
"We believe in the people and their 'wisdom' as if there was some special secret entrance to knowledge that barred to anyone who had ever learned anything." - Friedrich Nietzsche
I'm curious, why did "Black Sea SUPPORT Armenia to Sevastopol -> Supported unit has failed" happen?
I believe that specific response means that Black Sea was able to support Armenia to Sevatopol (it can reach Sevastopol), but the move command it was supporting failed. In this case, the totaled strength was not enough to exceed the unit in Sevastopol receiving a support hold from Moscow. It was 2v2. There is a different response if the support is illegal (Cannot Support Square Sev), and if the unit didn't issue a matching move command.
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AssuranIs swinging on the SpiralRegistered Userregular
Been a few days, how fares Europe?
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jakobaggerLO THY DREAD EMPIRE CHAOS IS RESTOREDRegistered Userregular
Germany is super dead. When two of your neighbors decide you're going to die, seems there isn't much to do in this game. When three of your neighbors work together, well....
Which is why it is called diplomacy; those who don't have friends die a quick and painful death.
(The key is to then convince one of your neighbors that you can help them greatly improve their position by aiding in a stab against their apparent ally.)
Which is why it is called diplomacy; those who don't have friends die a quick and painful death.
(The key is to then convince one of your neighbors that you can help them greatly improve their position by aiding in a stab against their apparent ally.)
Yeah yeah, I know. I'm pretty much just saying I might be bad at this game, at least the diplomacy part. Hence why I prefer A Game of Thrones which can be played as a purer war game instead of a social experiment.
On convincing a neighbour to stab their apparent ally, I think the problem is conventional wisdom says you should find an ally in the early game and not stab them until you've built up your strength and then do it decisively. So if the triple you're involved in (east or west) ends up with the two others against you, I'm not sure there's much that can be done, once the war has started.
To be fair though, I sort of gave up once I was down to three centers. It is entirely possible someone more crafty than me could have wrung out a victory from that position.
Anyway, this isn't meant be whining, I had fun and will probably play again. Just musing. Thanks for the game - I'm cheering for Italy. Avenge us, you last of the central powers!
I wouldn't go that far, you still seem to be in a decent shape, as a cursory glance seems that only Russia is attacking you. A Russia who appears rather exposed to the North and the South.
An award surely to France for most trusting nature?!
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jakobaggerLO THY DREAD EMPIRE CHAOS IS RESTOREDRegistered Userregular
Wow, hadn't looked at the map. Yeah, Russia is in a really strong position. Amusing considering the kind of weird passive moves he made in the beginning. I guess that's what happens if you leave the Russian bear alone.
AssuranIs swinging on the SpiralRegistered Userregular
As long as you've got pieces, you can still win. I've seen some strange things happen once you get towards the end of the game. It does appear that the Alliance powers are faring well in this game, as of right now.
I'll change the title and year once the spring map is posted.
It's okay, I'll just get pushed back into my safe little ....spot in the middle of the board.
Are any of you guys going to PAX? Maybe we could play a game in person! If we have 4 or 5 hours of downtime somewhere.
It's okay, I'll just get pushed back into my safe little ....spot in the middle of the board.
Are any of you guys going to PAX? Maybe we could play a game in person! If we have 4 or 5 hours of downtime somewhere.
I am both going to PAX East and have the physical game.
I even got a hold of an old set of the metal pieces. It's very nice.
"The only way to get rid of a temptation is to give into it." - Oscar Wilde
"We believe in the people and their 'wisdom' as if there was some special secret entrance to knowledge that barred to anyone who had ever learned anything." - Friedrich Nietzsche
Hence why I prefer A Game of Thrones which can be played as a purer war game instead of a social experiment.
On that note, anyone know who put those GoT Wildling cards on HandTracker and if they're planning a GoT game here?
Could be fun...
Wasn't me. I've been playing a few consecutive games with some guys who've rigged their own very basic board app together, though. One of these days, I'll try to convince them to share it. I think it might require hosting however.
The last game of AGoT on the boards fizzled (the wildling deck might have been from that game, I guess? Mordenthral hosted, but he seems to have disappeared from Arcadia), but I guess with an interface where people move their own pieces it might have a greater chance.
Is that board app thing kind of PbP style or more chat-room, one-sitting style?
PbP. We've been communicating through email, but the board, cards etc are saved on their own site where each player can then log in and move his stuff around.
jakobaggerLO THY DREAD EMPIRE CHAOS IS RESTOREDRegistered Userregular
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Huh. I guess I should check out SE++ more often.
Edit: checked it out, and I'm not a fan of the hex based map and the fact that the names of everything have been changed. Clever way to avoid copyright infringement problems, but theme is just such a big part of the game for me. Plus I can't be bothered to learn new names just for this.
"The only way to get rid of a temptation is to give into it." - Oscar Wilde
"We believe in the people and their 'wisdom' as if there was some special secret entrance to knowledge that barred to anyone who had ever learned anything." - Friedrich Nietzsche
Also, your first mistake was making me your enemy. We could have been such good friends.
"The only way to get rid of a temptation is to give into it." - Oscar Wilde
"We believe in the people and their 'wisdom' as if there was some special secret entrance to knowledge that barred to anyone who had ever learned anything." - Friedrich Nietzsche
Won't be long now. Having thought I was out of the game several turns ago, I've accepted this. My first experience with Diplomacy gets an A-
One question though, how do you play this face to face? Seems like it would be difficult to conspire against someone secretly if I can see Doug and Jimbo talking things over at their end of the table.
AssuranIs swinging on the SpiralRegistered Userregular
It's a somewhat different game to play face to face. Harder to switch sides and becomes a game of who is a better liar when you play face to face. Mostly, I try to obfuscate my alliance turn one by talking to everyone, with talking to the guy I choose an alliance with shortest.
This, of course, brings us to the #1 rule of face to face Diplomacy amongst friends: Nothing I say in a game can ever be used against me outside of game and do not get mad at your friends for playing in the spirit of the game. If you can't separate the two, you shouldn't play with face to face with friends.
Nah, I doomed myself by building too many armies and not enough fleets out of St.Pete's. I couldn't hold Scandinavia from the mainland. Those fleets were always on my "to-do" list because I knew EN betrayal was a distinct possibility. Just never got around to doing it.
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i uh, i thought i would bounce out of greece. get out of there turkey. that is my sea it doesn't even fit you.
(retreat and build is next)
I had meant to bounce you out of Greece. Ah well...
"We believe in the people and their 'wisdom' as if there was some special secret entrance to knowledge that barred to anyone who had ever learned anything." - Friedrich Nietzsche
I believe that specific response means that Black Sea was able to support Armenia to Sevatopol (it can reach Sevastopol), but the move command it was supporting failed. In this case, the totaled strength was not enough to exceed the unit in Sevastopol receiving a support hold from Moscow. It was 2v2. There is a different response if the support is illegal (Cannot Support Square Sev), and if the unit didn't issue a matching move command.
(The key is to then convince one of your neighbors that you can help them greatly improve their position by aiding in a stab against their apparent ally.)
Yeah yeah, I know. I'm pretty much just saying I might be bad at this game, at least the diplomacy part. Hence why I prefer A Game of Thrones which can be played as a purer war game instead of a social experiment.
On convincing a neighbour to stab their apparent ally, I think the problem is conventional wisdom says you should find an ally in the early game and not stab them until you've built up your strength and then do it decisively. So if the triple you're involved in (east or west) ends up with the two others against you, I'm not sure there's much that can be done, once the war has started.
To be fair though, I sort of gave up once I was down to three centers. It is entirely possible someone more crafty than me could have wrung out a victory from that position.
Anyway, this isn't meant be whining, I had fun and will probably play again. Just musing. Thanks for the game - I'm cheering for Italy. Avenge us, you last of the central powers!
An award surely to France for most trusting nature?!
On a serious note, I was resigned to be out of this game a few turns ago.
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I'll change the title and year once the spring map is posted.
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Are any of you guys going to PAX? Maybe we could play a game in person! If we have 4 or 5 hours of downtime somewhere.
I am both going to PAX East and have the physical game.
I even got a hold of an old set of the metal pieces. It's very nice.
"We believe in the people and their 'wisdom' as if there was some special secret entrance to knowledge that barred to anyone who had ever learned anything." - Friedrich Nietzsche
On that note, anyone know who put those GoT Wildling cards on HandTracker and if they're planning a GoT game here?
Could be fun...
The Black Hole of Cygnus X-1
Wasn't me. I've been playing a few consecutive games with some guys who've rigged their own very basic board app together, though. One of these days, I'll try to convince them to share it. I think it might require hosting however.
The last game of AGoT on the boards fizzled (the wildling deck might have been from that game, I guess? Mordenthral hosted, but he seems to have disappeared from Arcadia), but I guess with an interface where people move their own pieces it might have a greater chance.
The Black Hole of Cygnus X-1
PbP. We've been communicating through email, but the board, cards etc are saved on their own site where each player can then log in and move his stuff around.
http://sovereign.public.is/index.jsp
Edit: checked it out, and I'm not a fan of the hex based map and the fact that the names of everything have been changed. Clever way to avoid copyright infringement problems, but theme is just such a big part of the game for me. Plus I can't be bothered to learn new names just for this.
So begins the English-Russian War!
A year of intense fighting is ahead of us.
Never seem to be able to take advantage of the natural strengths of it.
E - How dare AU & GE still have regions loyal?!
The Black Hole of Cygnus X-1
Italy survives for another year.
"We believe in the people and their 'wisdom' as if there was some special secret entrance to knowledge that barred to anyone who had ever learned anything." - Friedrich Nietzsche
We should hang out.
Also, your first mistake was making me your enemy. We could have been such good friends.
"We believe in the people and their 'wisdom' as if there was some special secret entrance to knowledge that barred to anyone who had ever learned anything." - Friedrich Nietzsche
Spring 1908 Orders
England Advances!
Fall 1908 Orders
Italy Falls!
And now!
Spring 1909
The Story Continues!
One question though, how do you play this face to face? Seems like it would be difficult to conspire against someone secretly if I can see Doug and Jimbo talking things over at their end of the table.
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This, of course, brings us to the #1 rule of face to face Diplomacy amongst friends: Nothing I say in a game can ever be used against me outside of game and do not get mad at your friends for playing in the spirit of the game. If you can't separate the two, you shouldn't play with face to face with friends.
But seriously, english sevastapol is definitely double-take territory.
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Like, everything I read said that Italy - Turkey is a bad alliance for Italy. Made me edgy about you the whole game.
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