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  • alqadimalqadim Registered User regular
    The liberals tell me I have to love abortion. So I'm embracing it through my storm raven ;)

  • SJSJ Registered User regular
    that's...


    that's a fair point I suppose

  • TraceofToxinTraceofToxin King Nothing Registered User regular
    SJ, speechless?

    Amazing.

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  • saluksicsaluksic Registered User regular
    I looks like plasma is making a come back. Melta is not as important with glancing damaging vehicles, the AP2 buff against vehicles helps the plasma, and the slimming down of AP1 or 2 in close combat makes shooting terminators much more important, which plasma does better than meltas, comparatively.

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  • Mr_RoseMr_Rose Registered User regular
    alqadim wrote: »
    Meh. So is the stormraven a flier by their new definitions or is it still just a skimmer?

    Yes. Flyer, hover mode etc.
    Basically you can use it exactly as it is now or make it faster but way less manoeuvrable in exchange for being practically impossible to kill.

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  • altmannaltmann Registered User regular
    The more i think about it the more flyers are pissing me the fuck off.

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  • TraceofToxinTraceofToxin King Nothing Registered User regular
    Why?

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  • skarsolskarsol Registered User regular
    edited July 2012
    You don't want to zooma zoom zoom zoom and boom boom?

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  • tzeentchlingtzeentchling Dr. Doctor Oakland, CARegistered User regular
    ToT: I don't think fliers can come in from reserves and then go off the board back into reserves on the same turn. Pretty sure they specifically say you have to be on the board at least one turn.

  • ChrysisChrysis Registered User regular
    I think it's more that without dedicated anti-aircraft assets flyers can act with impunity. The combination of only being hit on 6's and the access to a cover save makes them incredibly tough to shoot down. The only drawback to that is that their movement rules are going to restrict their ability to get a bead on targets as they aren't as maneuverable.

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  • TraceofToxinTraceofToxin King Nothing Registered User regular
    ToT: I don't think fliers can come in from reserves and then go off the board back into reserves on the same turn. Pretty sure they specifically say you have to be on the board at least one turn.

    Pg 49. Flying MCs can.

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  • Salvation122Salvation122 Registered User regular
    Wow hoods got the shit nerfed out of them

    They are now worse than Shadow in the Warp

    I cannot explain to you how very very very very happy this makes me

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  • RaslinRaslin Registered User regular
    The new OP: Primaris Psyker with Psychic Shriek, and psyker battle squad. Combo gets you 3d6 - 2 wounds on an enemy unit with no cover or armour saves.

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  • Der Waffle MousDer Waffle Mous WALK 3X FASTER New Yark, New Yark.Registered User regular
    I really haven't done much aside from apoc games the last couple of months so my thoughts on the flyer rules pretty much amount to "at least they don't subtract 12' from your weapon range anymore."

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  • mr_michmr_mich Registered User regular
    I'm so excited to hear how 6th edition shakes out. Fantasy lured me away from 40k, but it sounds like some good elements from Fantasy have made it into 6th, and only some (which is good).

    I want to love 40k again so bad, but on the other hand I reeeeeally like how little I've spent on shit lately.

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  • altmannaltmann Registered User regular
    The only reason flyers bother me, is essentially the introduction of a new mechanic, with only limited support for it.

    If they did shit like, say, razorbacks and typhoon missiles and certain types of weapons can choose skyfire then I'd be ok with it. I'm even ok with not every missile launcher, just CERTAIN weapons.

    As it is, there is no way, without allies, for a spacewolves army to inclusively have anything to shoot down a flyer other than on a roll of a 6.

    Having to buy a fucking bastion is a cop out and frankly, reeks of GW wanting to sell models.

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  • mr_michmr_mich Registered User regular
    Can someone explain what the rules are like for buying terrain?

    Can I finally pay X points for sandbags for my Guardsmen!?

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  • TraceofToxinTraceofToxin King Nothing Registered User regular
    altmann wrote: »
    The only reason flyers bother me, is essentially the introduction of a new mechanic, with only limited support for it.

    If they did shit like, say, razorbacks and typhoon missiles and certain types of weapons can choose skyfire then I'd be ok with it. I'm even ok with not every missile launcher, just CERTAIN weapons.

    As it is, there is no way, without allies, for a spacewolves army to inclusively have anything to shoot down a flyer other than on a roll of a 6.

    Having to buy a fucking bastion is a cop out and frankly, reeks of GW wanting to sell models.

    Try playing any army that doesn't even have 48" range weapons.

    The mechanics are interesting and balanced... under the assumption everyone gets something to fight flyers. As it is, right now, it's the IG show because Vendettas are just so much fucking better than every other flyer.

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  • ChrysisChrysis Registered User regular
    Holy shit, someone just pointed out the dumbest thing.

    Page 124.
    "Likewise, if at the end of any game turn, one player has no models on the battlefield, his opponent automatically wins."

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  • TraceofToxinTraceofToxin King Nothing Registered User regular
    Nice. Even better for my Tyranid army. Fuck you fliers.

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  • TastyfishTastyfish Registered User regular
    edited July 2012
    mr_mich wrote: »
    Can someone explain what the rules are like for buying terrain?

    Can I finally pay X points for sandbags for my Guardsmen!?

    Yes! But also no, it's an Aegis defence line doing the same thing.

    For each 2K points you get a fortification, it's deployed before terrain is. Trenchline (4+ save, +2 if you go to ground, need to be within 2" behind the wall the benefit) is 50pts for 4 long and 4 shot bits of Defence line or 28" of trench. For 20 pts you get a comm relay allowing you reroll reserves, 35 pts get you a lascannon that can shoot flyers at standard BS as well as anything coming in from reserve, and for 50pts you get a quad autocannon to shoot at flyers at standard BS and a reserve choice when it arrives.

    Flyers are generally close to 200 pt AV10 vehicles. You don't need specialised units unless you want to wipe them out in one turn, they're tanks who trade armour for 6 to hit and not even Broadsides are able to do better than around 1/3 when it comes to killing them.

    You will get shot at by flyers, and also tanks, that's 6th ed vehicles for you. "Dealing with" doesn't mean wiping them out before they do anything (unless you've hydras or Vendettas, but the latter has always been stupid).

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  • NaxNax Registered User regular
    So, Gamer's Edition doesnt come in until the 3rd. I'm okay with this. However, I'm not reading this thread until then :P

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  • TheLawinatorTheLawinator Registered User regular
    Chrysis wrote: »
    Holy shit, someone just pointed out the dumbest thing.

    Page 124.
    "Likewise, if at the end of any game turn, one player has no models on the battlefield, his opponent automatically wins."

    "I reserve my whole army, aka concede"

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  • skarsolskarsol Registered User regular
    It's like they really really don't want a lot of deep striking going on.

    why are you smelling it?
  • ChrysisChrysis Registered User regular
    Can't do that any more. Max half in reserve. Unless you have to, so daemons.

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  • DocSamsonDocSamson Registered User regular
    My Tyranids already had trouble with AV heavy lists, I suppose add flyers to the mix wont make them fare any better or worse. The 'no assaulting from outflanking' is brutal though.

    Glad I held off learning Eldar until the new version though, because I'm already confusing my 5th and 6th edition rules with Nids. Brain overload.

  • TraceofToxinTraceofToxin King Nothing Registered User regular
    Tastyfish wrote: »
    Flyers are generally close to 200 pt AV10 vehicles. You don't need specialised units unless you want to wipe them out in one turn, they're tanks who trade armour for 6 to hit and not even Broadsides are able to do better than around 1/3 when it comes to killing them.

    You will get shot at by flyers, and also tanks, that's 6th ed vehicles for you. "Dealing with" doesn't mean wiping them out before they do anything (unless you've hydras or Vendettas, but the latter has always been stupid).

    Vendettas and Stormravens, the most commons flyers, are AV12. The idea that 'most' flyers are AV10 is really misleading.


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  • Salvation122Salvation122 Registered User regular
    edited July 2012
    Here, GW, let me unfuck 6E for you:

    Jump Packs, Jet Packs, Jet Bikes, and Skimmers each receive a token. This token may be expended in the following ways, depending on the unit type:
    • Jump Packs
      • Move 12" in the movement phase.
      • Reroll charge distance and gain Hammer of Wrath.
      • Treat all ranged weapons (including Witchfire psychic powers, if the psyker has a jump pack) as Skyfire.
    • Jet Bikes
      • Turboboost.
      • Treat all ranged weapons (including Witchfire psychic powers, if the psyker is mounted on a jetbike) as Skyfire.
    • Jet Packs
      • Move 2d6" in the Assault Phase.
      • Treat all ranged weapons (including Witchfire psychic powers, if the psyker has a jet pack) as Skyfire.
    • Skimmers
      • Has the Jink special rule.
      • Treat all weapons as Skyfire.

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  • TastyfishTastyfish Registered User regular
    edited July 2012
    Tastyfish wrote: »
    Flyers are generally close to 200 pt AV10 vehicles. You don't need specialised units unless you want to wipe them out in one turn, they're tanks who trade armour for 6 to hit and not even Broadsides are able to do better than around 1/3 when it comes to killing them.

    You will get shot at by flyers, and also tanks, that's 6th ed vehicles for you. "Dealing with" doesn't mean wiping them out before they do anything (unless you've hydras or Vendettas, but the latter has always been stupid).

    Vendettas and Stormravens, the most commons flyers, are AV12. The idea that 'most' flyers are AV10 is really misleading.

    Storm ravens are fair enough, they're usually transporting enough stuff they don't want to be zooming and can be shot at normally, whilst Vendettas are the symptom of a fevered imagination. You're thinking of Vultures, which are thrust three and are largely ground attack only. The idea you can get that many lascannons without sacrificing speed and transport capacity is madness.

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  • TheLawinatorTheLawinator Registered User regular
    The real question is, how does this affect my DREADKNIGHTS?! Are doomfists good now?

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  • alqadimalqadim Registered User regular
    I think that was answered earlier, because when I read it I told my wife as she walked out the door to see Magic Mike, that when she got home I was going to doomfist her!

  • ChrysisChrysis Registered User regular
    Tastyfish wrote: »
    Tastyfish wrote: »
    Flyers are generally close to 200 pt AV10 vehicles. You don't need specialised units unless you want to wipe them out in one turn, they're tanks who trade armour for 6 to hit and not even Broadsides are able to do better than around 1/3 when it comes to killing them.

    You will get shot at by flyers, and also tanks, that's 6th ed vehicles for you. "Dealing with" doesn't mean wiping them out before they do anything (unless you've hydras or Vendettas, but the latter has always been stupid).

    Vendettas and Stormravens, the most commons flyers, are AV12. The idea that 'most' flyers are AV10 is really misleading.

    Storm ravens are fair enough, they're usually transporting enough stuff they don't want to be zooming and can be shot at normally, whilst Vendettas are the symptom of a fevered imagination. You're thinking of Vultures, which are thrust three and are largely ground attack only. The idea you can get that many lascannons without sacrificing speed and transport capacity is madness.

    No, he means Vendettas. 3 Twin-linked Lascannons with Skyfire in the quantities you can get Vendettas in is going to ensure total air superiority. You're then free to start mopping up ground targets, and can swap to hover as needed. Vendettas are far and away the best flyer available.

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  • -Loki--Loki- Don't pee in my mouth and tell me it's raining. Registered User regular
    edited July 2012
    skarsol wrote: »
    It's like they really really don't want a lot of deep striking going on.

    I don't blame them. When someone reserves a whole army in 5th, it's infuriating. Especially if it's kill points, since you have nothing to actually accomplish for a turn.

    I was looking at the deployment types, and I like how they did short side deployment. You get a short, deep deployment zone and a smaller no-mans land in the center (same distance apart, bit not as wide). That'll make for some nasty meat grinders. I like a game where I have room to maneuvre, but I also like a game where you and your opponent just get stuck in and murderize things.
    Chrysis wrote: »
    Tastyfish wrote: »
    Tastyfish wrote: »
    Flyers are generally close to 200 pt AV10 vehicles. You don't need specialised units unless you want to wipe them out in one turn, they're tanks who trade armour for 6 to hit and not even Broadsides are able to do better than around 1/3 when it comes to killing them.

    You will get shot at by flyers, and also tanks, that's 6th ed vehicles for you. "Dealing with" doesn't mean wiping them out before they do anything (unless you've hydras or Vendettas, but the latter has always been stupid).

    Vendettas and Stormravens, the most commons flyers, are AV12. The idea that 'most' flyers are AV10 is really misleading.

    Storm ravens are fair enough, they're usually transporting enough stuff they don't want to be zooming and can be shot at normally, whilst Vendettas are the symptom of a fevered imagination. You're thinking of Vultures, which are thrust three and are largely ground attack only. The idea you can get that many lascannons without sacrificing speed and transport capacity is madness.

    No, he means Vendettas. 3 Twin-linked Lascannons with Skyfire in the quantities you can get Vendettas in is going to ensure total air superiority. You're then free to start mopping up ground targets, and can swap to hover as needed. Vendettas are far and away the best flyer available.

    They were in 5th as well. Vendettas are fucking stupid. I don't know why they felt the need to invent a gunship for IG when they already had Vultures. And then not remove its transport space, making it the best gunship in the game with the same transport ability as the Valkyrie.

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  • OgotaiOgotai Registered User regular
    Yeah all the guard skimmers (including vultures) are flat our better in 6th by a mile, with the change to glancing and hull points probably being an improvement as well. Due to glancing at least auto shaking things, my vendettas/vultures were already shooting about every other turn, and were dead if they got focused fired and didnt turboboost, so only getting to fire every other turn while zooming sometimes its a lateral move at worst. Then again you can always revet to hover mode and play just like 5th ed only now you always have a 5+ cover from jink as you are now considered a fast skimmer, and you never got coversaves on those guys before. Even better, vendettas can come on from reserves and fire everything due to zoom, which they never could before. Even if you have to evade while zooming, almost everything vendettas/valks/vultures have is twinlinked or basts, so BS1 isn't so bad.

  • skarsolskarsol Registered User regular
    -Loki- wrote: »
    skarsol wrote: »
    It's like they really really don't want a lot of deep striking going on.

    I don't blame them. When someone reserves a whole army in 5th, it's infuriating. Especially if it's kill points, since you have nothing to actually accomplish for a turn.

    If they'd devise a way to make it so the guy who goes second gets their movement related defensive benefits on the first turn just like the guy who goes first, then I wouldn't want to play reserve armies. :P

    why are you smelling it?
  • Sharp101Sharp101 TorontoRegistered User regular
    I have to admit I'm going to need to relearn my main strategy with my marines, which was basically to shoot something until it was stunned and moved on. I always took a Librarian with Machine Curse so he could easily prevent a tank within 24" from shooting (at least)

  • ChrysisChrysis Registered User regular
    Well now he automatically takes off a hull point, so you'll need that much less firepower to outright wreck a vehicle.

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  • -Loki--Loki- Don't pee in my mouth and tell me it's raining. Registered User regular
    Alright, I missed the launch of 4th and 5th, and the launch of 3rd didn't have the huge internet coverage we have now.

    Is the sort of pissing and moaning going on the sort of thing that just occurs with a GW edition release online? Because for every person trying to be rational about it, there's 20 claiming the sky is falling.

  • DocSamsonDocSamson Registered User regular
    I believe Sharp dug up a quote a while back that involved someone pissing and moaning about 5th, so I'd say it's just 'the internet'.

    See: everywhere else on the internet about everything else.

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