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Art Imitating Life: MIT Student Arrested at Logan Intl. Airport with Fake Bomb...

ZahaladeenZahaladeen Registered User regular
edited September 2007 in Debate and/or Discourse
...claimed it was "art".

http://wbztv.com/topstories/local_story_264104114.html

She's lucky she didn't take two in the chest.

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    DaedalusDaedalus Registered User regular
    edited September 2007
    My only question is how did a person so goddamn stupid get into MIT?

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    PataPata Registered User regular
    edited September 2007
    Oh wow.

    Somehow I don't think she thought that far ahead.

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    monikermoniker Registered User regular
    edited September 2007
    Daedalus wrote: »
    My only question is how did a person so goddamn stupid get into MIT?

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    OboroOboro __BANNED USERS regular
    edited September 2007
    I think that, given she just showed up to meet someone coming off of a flight-- and since he had a ride anyway, seeing as how he managed to leave without seeing her-- it really was probably just an impromptu meet and greet.

    She was probably too busy singing along with her iPod while on the subway or stressing over career day to put two and two together about blinking lights in an airport. Also, I think the title of this thread is sort of inappropriate as her defense of it as "art" is pretty inconsequential. Also, calling it a fake bomb, since it wasn't.

    It was a fashion statement by an electronics student, who could understandably make this mistake if she hasn't been watching network TV for more than several hours a day.

    EDIT: I still think that some response was justified-- though probably not a full deployment with submachine guns-- but definitely not all of this criticism of the poor girl's intelligence.

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    CantidoCantido Registered User regular
    edited September 2007
    Zahaladeen wrote: »
    ...claimed it was "art".

    http://wbztv.com/topstories/local_story_264104114.html

    She's lucky she didn't take two in the chest.

    It says she cooperated fully. If she so much as raised her voice, THEN she would be swiss cheese.

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    IreneDAdlerIreneDAdler Registered User regular
    edited September 2007
    moniker wrote: »
    Daedalus wrote: »
    My only question is how did a person so goddamn stupid get into MIT?

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    ZahaladeenZahaladeen Registered User regular
    edited September 2007
    Oboro wrote: »
    I think that, given she just showed up to meet someone coming off of a flight-- and since he had a ride anyway, seeing as how he managed to leave without seeing her-- it really was probably just an impromptu meet and greet.

    She was probably too busy singing along with her iPod while on the subway or stressing over career day to put two and two together about blinking lights in an airport. Also, I think the title of this thread is sort of inappropriate as her defense of it as "art" is pretty inconsequential. Also, calling it a fake bomb, since it wasn't.

    It was a fashion statement by an electronics student, who could understandably make this mistake if she hasn't been watching network TV for more than several hours a day.

    First, I'm paraphrasing from the news headlines and wire reports. Go bust their balls, not mine.

    Second, what exaclty do you call a device that is meant to look like bomb but isn't? What suits your mood better?

    Faux bomb?

    Counterfit bomb?

    Diet bomb?

    The un-bomb?

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    OboroOboro __BANNED USERS regular
    edited September 2007
    It wasn't meant to look like a bomb, you fucking media-fed twit. The article describes it as a rectangular circuit board with nine flashing lights that she wore over a hoodie bearing the logo/motto of the MIT electrical engineering program.

    There is nothing that "looks like a bomb." If an exposed circuit board and blinking lights is a de facto bomb, well.

    It's just too retarded. I can't comment.

    EDIT: She was going to career day afterwards. She wanted to stand out as a capable electrical engineer who was also creative and unafraid of expressing herself. It's completely valid-- it being a fake bomb is nowhere implied or reasonable.

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    DaedalusDaedalus Registered User regular
    edited September 2007
    Oboro wrote: »
    It wasn't meant to look like a bomb, you fucking media-fed twit. The article describes it as a rectangular circuit board with nine flashing lights that she wore over a hoodie bearing the logo/motto of the MIT electrical engineering program.

    There is nothing that "looks like a bomb." If an exposed circuit board and blinking lights is a de facto bomb, well.

    It's just too retarded. I can't comment.

    EDIT: She was going to career day afterwards. She wanted to stand out as a capable electrical engineer who was also creative and unafraid of expressing herself. It's completely valid-- it being a fake bomb is nowhere implied or reasonable.

    Nonetheless, you don't wear that shit into an airport, and it doesn't take an MIT-certified rocket surgeon to figure that out.

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    durandal4532durandal4532 Registered User regular
    edited September 2007
    Seriously. Bombs look like not bombs. That's how they explode so well, people. A blinky circuitboard...

    Wait. We've done this before.

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    XaquinXaquin Right behind you!Registered User regular
    edited September 2007
    the story said she was holding play-doh. what was that supposed to be? fake plastic explosive? hmmmm I'll go into an airport where there has been a HUGE security upgrade because of bomb scares with a circuit board on my chest.

    edit: I mean really.

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    OboroOboro __BANNED USERS regular
    edited September 2007
    The issue is that she likely never bothered to figure it out, which is how an MIT student-- or any other person-- does something this "stupid." People make stupid mistakes-- that's the human condition. The fact she's an MIT student doesn't change that at all. You don't know her, you don't have the whole story, and so I definitely don't see how people get off talking about how stupid she is.

    I'm sure you've done stupider, it just didn't involve a cadre of men with submachine guns.

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    OboroOboro __BANNED USERS regular
    edited September 2007
    Xaquin wrote: »
    the story said she was holding play-doh. what was that supposed to be?
    Play-Doh is an enduring recreational product enjoyed by many.

    It doesn't say what she was doing with it-- I mean, note the intentional vagueness on elements like this in the story. Do you know why? Let's put on our thinking caps and exercise hermeneutics!

    Ooh, ooh, I have an idea!

    Because it wasn't really all that incriminating at all if you give the whole story?

    Bing-fucking-bingo!

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    DynagripDynagrip Break me a million hearts HoustonRegistered User, ClubPA regular
    edited September 2007
    moniker wrote: »
    Daedalus wrote: »
    My only question is how did a person so goddamn stupid get into MIT?
    Seriously. What the hell

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    XaquinXaquin Right behind you!Registered User regular
    edited September 2007
    Oboro wrote: »
    Xaquin wrote: »
    the story said she was holding play-doh. what was that supposed to be?
    Play-Doh is an enduring recreational product enjoyed by many.

    It doesn't say what she was doing with it-- I mean, note the intentional vagueness on elements like this in the story. Do you know why? Let's put on our thinking caps and exercise hermeneutics!

    Ooh, ooh, I have an idea!

    Because it wasn't really all that incriminating at all if you give the whole story?

    Bing-fucking-bingo!

    I've flown probably 15 or 16 times (not a huge amount, but more than a lot of people) and have never once seen people wandering around playing with play-doh.

    seriously, who has the train of thought "I'm going to the airport .... I'll probably need play-doh in my hand."

    "It'll be fun .... hanging in the airport. waiting for my friend. got my lightup circuit board strapped to my chest. playing with my play-doh"

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    DynagripDynagrip Break me a million hearts HoustonRegistered User, ClubPA regular
    edited September 2007
    Oboro wrote: »
    Xaquin wrote: »
    the story said she was holding play-doh. what was that supposed to be?
    Play-Doh is an enduring recreational product enjoyed by many.

    It doesn't say what she was doing with it-- I mean, note the intentional vagueness on elements like this in the story. Do you know why? Let's put on our thinking caps and exercise hermeneutics!

    Ooh, ooh, I have an idea!

    Because it wasn't really all that incriminating at all if you give the whole story?

    Bing-fucking-bingo!
    You know how you're not allowed to yell fire in a theater and such? This is pretty much the same thing.

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    OboroOboro __BANNED USERS regular
    edited September 2007
    for this, I default to the "She grew up in Hawaii" defense

    Seriously though, 1) the metrics that admit you to MIT do not translate automatically and without loss to all other facets of life, 2) you do not have the right to disparage someone's intellect at large for their having had a lapse in judgment when you are unaware of the facts leading up to the situation, 3) she was not "lucky she did not take two in the chest," because as was mentioned, a response of an entire unit with submachine guns is ridiculously over-the-top in any situation. That's poor anti-terror response.

    That's pro-terror response, to the Q.

    t Dyna-- like I said in my first post, I'm not saying their response wasn't justified on a level. She definitely needed to be escorted out by at least one trooper and told that she was doing something stupid and not smart to it. I only object to people feeling like they have the right to call her a retard, tarnish her reputation, and say that she doesn't deserve her education in the process.

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    DynagripDynagrip Break me a million hearts HoustonRegistered User, ClubPA regular
    edited September 2007
    Oboro wrote: »
    for this, I default to the "She grew up in Hawaii" defense

    Seriously though, 1) the metrics that admit you to MIT do not translate automatically and without loss to all other facets of life, 2) you do not have the right to disparage someone's intellect at large for their having had a lapse in judgment when you are unaware of the facts leading up to the situation, 3) she was not "lucky she did not take two in the chest," because as was mentioned, a response of an entire unit with submachine guns is ridiculously over-the-top in any situation. That's poor anti-terror response.

    That's pro-terror response, to the Q.
    How exactly is it over the top if they think she has an explosive device? Do you think anti-terror units are supposed to respond with milk and cookies?

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    ZahaladeenZahaladeen Registered User regular
    edited September 2007
    Oboro wrote: »
    It wasn't meant to look like a bomb, you fucking media-fed twit. The article describes it as a rectangular circuit board with nine flashing lights that she wore over a hoodie bearing the logo/motto of the MIT electrical engineering program.

    There is nothing that "looks like a bomb." If an exposed circuit board and blinking lights is a de facto bomb, well.

    It's just too retarded. I can't comment.

    EDIT: She was going to career day afterwards. She wanted to stand out as a capable electrical engineer who was also creative and unafraid of expressing herself. It's completely valid-- it being a fake bomb is nowhere implied or reasonable.

    What don't you get from "repeating wire service stories and headlines"? At no point do I, personally, say that was her intent nor am I a shill for the Logan Intl. Airport Police. I'm just repeating facts. THEY said it was a "fake bomb". The components, one of which you left out was "Play-Doh" which molded correctly can look an awful lot like Semtex, was in her hands. In this day and age of hyper-vigillance, what do you expect from law enforcement at an airport?

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    Der Waffle MousDer Waffle Mous Blame this on the misfortune of your birth. New Yark, New Yark.Registered User regular
    edited September 2007
    Can we all just agree that people put too much faith in 24 being a valid representation of real life terrorism?

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    XaquinXaquin Right behind you!Registered User regular
    edited September 2007
    Oboro wrote: »
    for this, I default to the "She grew up in Hawaii" defense

    Seriously though, 1) the metrics that admit you to MIT do not translate automatically and without loss to all other facets of life, 2) you do not have the right to disparage someone's intellect at large for their having had a lapse in judgment when you are unaware of the facts leading up to the situation, 3) she was not "lucky she did not take two in the chest," because as was mentioned, a response of an entire unit with submachine guns is ridiculously over-the-top in any situation. That's poor anti-terror response.

    That's pro-terror response, to the Q.

    t Dyna-- like I said in my first post, I'm not saying their response wasn't justified on a level. She definitely needed to be escorted out by at least one trooper and told that she was doing something stupid and not smart to it. I only object to people feeling like they have the right to call her a retard, tarnish her reputation, and say that she doesn't deserve her education in the process.

    are Hawaiians stupid or something?

    I don't get that defense.

    also, if someone really had a bomb in an airport I'd be thankful that a bunch of guys with submachine guns showed up to figure out what was going on.

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    durandal4532durandal4532 Registered User regular
    edited September 2007
    Can we all just agree that people put too much faith in 24 being a valid representation of real life terrorism?
    Seriously, has any suicide bomber put a fucking blinky counter anywhere near the vest?

    Edit: Also, how many guns stop someone from blowing up?

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    OboroOboro __BANNED USERS regular
    edited September 2007
    If a saw a bunch of guys with submachine guns, it would ruin my day.

    If I saw someone being calmly escorted away-- even by just one or a few troopers with guns drawn-- I would be freaked out, but would probably just think it was pretty run-of-the-mill.

    Seeing a full deployment with submachine guns, though, puts the fear of God in me.

    EDIT: Poster above me has it exactly right-- I'd think that if the intent is to blow up, they will blow up. If they are not intending to blow up, hasn't it been proven that keeping the suspect calm is more important than intimidating them?

    Frankly, I think she needs to be praised for being so level-headed when a group of men approached her with submachine guns, not have her intelligence ceaselessly insulted. Kudos, I guess? :|

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    deadonthestreetdeadonthestreet Registered User regular
    edited September 2007
    Dynagrip wrote: »
    moniker wrote: »
    Daedalus wrote: »
    My only question is how did a person so goddamn stupid get into MIT?
    Seriously. What the hell
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    deadonthestreetdeadonthestreet Registered User regular
    edited September 2007
    Also, you have to remember the 9/11 planes took off from Logan. It is understandable that security is a bit jumpy.

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    SentrySentry Registered User regular
    edited September 2007
    That didn't look anything like a bomb... now, if it was shaped like a Mooninite giving the middle finger... well, then they should have shot her dead in the terminal.

    Just out of curiosity, does it freak anyone else out that even trained professionals have no clue what a bomb looks like?

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    OboroOboro __BANNED USERS regular
    edited September 2007
    Heroes aren't absolved of their past mistakes. If even a single member of the security detail at Logan is walking around with a chip on their shoulder because of what's happened there in the past, they need to be encouraged to drop it or be let go.

    Unfortunately, I'm sure the exact opposite happens behind the scenes, and they receive the exact opposite sort of motivation.

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    DynagripDynagrip Break me a million hearts HoustonRegistered User, ClubPA regular
    edited September 2007
    Oboro wrote: »
    Frankly, I think she needs to be praised for being so level-headed when a group of men approached her with submachine guns, not have her intelligence ceaselessly insulted. Kudos, I guess? :|
    Nah, I'm gonna go with she's at least incredibly lacking in foresight.

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    XaquinXaquin Right behind you!Registered User regular
    edited September 2007
    Sentry wrote: »
    That didn't look anything like a bomb... now, if it was shaped like a Mooninite giving the middle finger... well, then they should have shot her dead in the terminal.

    Just out of curiosity, does it freak anyone else out that even trained professionals have no clue what a bomb looks like?

    all bombs look the same do they?

    hell, my friends and I used to make black powder bombs out of folgers coffee cans (stupid I know) (very stupid, but at least we were in the moddle of nowhere and had the sense to use a long fuse).

    anyway my point is that bombs can look like anything.

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    deadonthestreetdeadonthestreet Registered User regular
    edited September 2007
    Sentry wrote: »
    That didn't look anything like a bomb... now, if it was shaped like a Mooninite giving the middle finger... well, then they should have shot her dead in the terminal.

    Just out of curiosity, does it freak anyone else out that even trained professionals have no clue what a bomb looks like?
    What does a bomb look like?

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    XaquinXaquin Right behind you!Registered User regular
    edited September 2007
    wait, this took place today or yesterday?

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    FencingsaxFencingsax It is difficult to get a man to understand, when his salary depends upon his not understanding GNU Terry PratchettRegistered User regular
    edited September 2007
    I guess we have to arrest all those kids with lights in their shoes.

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    Der Waffle MousDer Waffle Mous Blame this on the misfortune of your birth. New Yark, New Yark.Registered User regular
    edited September 2007
    Sentry wrote: »
    That didn't look anything like a bomb... now, if it was shaped like a Mooninite giving the middle finger... well, then they should have shot her dead in the terminal.

    Just out of curiosity, does it freak anyone else out that even trained professionals have no clue what a bomb looks like?
    What does a bomb look like?
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    monikermoniker Registered User regular
    edited September 2007
    Too soon?

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    XaquinXaquin Right behind you!Registered User regular
    edited September 2007
    Fencingsax wrote: »
    I guess we have to arrest all those kids with lights in their shoes.

    because thats the same thing? ..... besides, they check all shoes before flight.

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    SentrySentry Registered User regular
    edited September 2007
    Sentry wrote: »
    That didn't look anything like a bomb... now, if it was shaped like a Mooninite giving the middle finger... well, then they should have shot her dead in the terminal.

    Just out of curiosity, does it freak anyone else out that even trained professionals have no clue what a bomb looks like?
    What does a bomb look like?

    I think the question should be, what does a bomb NOT look like...

    LightBrite- Not a bomb.
    A circuit board- Not a bomb.

    The last time this country was hit by terrorists they had to use giant planes... the time before that they had to use rental trucks loaded with fertalizer.... now suddenly terrorists have the ability to turn a deck of playing cards into an explosive device? Seriously? People really do need to get their heads out of this Lethal Weapon/24 crap...

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    XaquinXaquin Right behind you!Registered User regular
    edited September 2007
    Sentry wrote: »
    Sentry wrote: »
    That didn't look anything like a bomb... now, if it was shaped like a Mooninite giving the middle finger... well, then they should have shot her dead in the terminal.

    Just out of curiosity, does it freak anyone else out that even trained professionals have no clue what a bomb looks like?
    What does a bomb look like?

    I think the question should be, what does a bomb NOT look like...

    LightBrite- Not a bomb.
    A circuit board- Not a bomb.

    The last time this country was hit by terrorists they had to use giant planes... the time before that they had to use rental trucks loaded with fertalizer.... now suddenly terrorists have the ability to turn a deck of playing cards into an explosive device? Seriously? People really do need to get their heads out of this Lethal Weapon/24 crap...

    bah

    my car looks like a car .... I guess there could never be car bombs

    coffee cans don't look like bombs .... and yet they have been

    almost anything can be made to explode.

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    IreneDAdlerIreneDAdler Registered User regular
    edited September 2007
    Sentry wrote: »
    That didn't look anything like a bomb... now, if it was shaped like a Mooninite giving the middle finger... well, then they should have shot her dead in the terminal.

    Just out of curiosity, does it freak anyone else out that even trained professionals have no clue what a bomb looks like?

    bomb.jpg

    On a more serious note, I'm not sure that a bomb really looks like anything in particular. Remember the guy that hid plastic explosives in his shoe? I mean, sure, you might have something like sticks of dynamite ductaped together, or grenades or whatnot. But I'd bet home-made explosives can come in infinite variations that could be virtually impossible to identify.

    I wouldn't say airport security over-reacted, because it's their job to contain any possible threat as fast as possible, and a circuit board (which could be anything, really) certainly does look threatening. One can argue that a real terrorist wouldn't be flaunting his bomb, but it's always better to err on the side of caution with these things. But this news story calling it a fake bomb is just sensationalist, because it wasn't intended to resemble a bomb, nor to trick people into believing to was one. But, you know, "MIT student with circuit board arrested today" isn't nearly as punchy of a headline. So much for truth and objectivity in journalism.

    tl, dr: The security took appropriate response. The newspaper turning them into heroes for it to try to sell some rags is retarded.

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    ZahaladeenZahaladeen Registered User regular
    edited September 2007
    moniker wrote: »
    Too soon?

    QFT

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    Der Waffle MousDer Waffle Mous Blame this on the misfortune of your birth. New Yark, New Yark.Registered User regular
    edited September 2007
    Xaquin wrote: »
    Sentry wrote: »
    Sentry wrote: »
    That didn't look anything like a bomb... now, if it was shaped like a Mooninite giving the middle finger... well, then they should have shot her dead in the terminal.

    Just out of curiosity, does it freak anyone else out that even trained professionals have no clue what a bomb looks like?
    What does a bomb look like?

    I think the question should be, what does a bomb NOT look like...

    LightBrite- Not a bomb.
    A circuit board- Not a bomb.

    The last time this country was hit by terrorists they had to use giant planes... the time before that they had to use rental trucks loaded with fertalizer.... now suddenly terrorists have the ability to turn a deck of playing cards into an explosive device? Seriously? People really do need to get their heads out of this Lethal Weapon/24 crap...

    bah

    my car looks like a car .... I guess there could never be car bombs

    doffee cans don't look like bombs .... and yet they have been

    almost anything can be made to explode.
    There's a coffee can in my kitchen.


    Oh shit, terrist's might be out to get me.

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