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    KanaKana Registered User regular
    Pony wrote: »
    Ech, I hate that unclear stat stuff. BlitzBall in FFX was the worst for it; opponent has 7 attack and I have 12 defence, but the opponent successfully steals the ball anyway? No, no fuck you, that's not how numbers do.

    It's very clear once you know why it works that way, it's never arbitrary, but it can seem that way when you don't know how some of the vital underlying mechanics work.

    The one that Cyanide fucked up the worst is Assists and TZs. Tackle Zones are a critical component of Blood Bowl (it's the eight squares adjacent to a dude, his "threatened space" in D&D terms) and being in a guy's TZ or moving out of his TZ has all kinds of specific effects to it and fully none of this is explained or even indicated in the video game. I think there might be a button to turn on a UI aid to indicate where TZs are but that's the most you get?

    It doesn't at all explain to you how TZs interact with each other, and why on some things they stack and don't negate each other (like Dodge attempts) while on some things they do, but in incredibly specific ways (like Assists). If you don't understand how TZs work you will lose all of your games, guaranteed, and it's something the game doesn't explain to you or show you or talk about in its little corner blurb that says what all the rolls were.

    But if you learn how it works on your own because it gets explained to you and shown to you by other people or Youtube tutorials or whatever, then it's actually fairly consistent once you understand all the ins and outs and once it becomes second-nature you get pretty decent at the game.

    Just in terms of poorly thought out UI, it amazes me that they preserved all the dice-rolling aspects of it (instead of just being like, you have a 50% chance to succeed at this).

    And yet

    They make it really hard to actually then see what dice result you end up getting

    Like clearly bloodbowl the table game, fun game, well designed.

    Bloodbowl the computer game, as an adaptation, is kind of a piece of shit.

    Still worth buying! Still fun! But god damn cyanide you guys suck at this.

    A trap is for fish: when you've got the fish, you can forget the trap. A snare is for rabbits: when you've got the rabbit, you can forget the snare. Words are for meaning: when you've got the meaning, you can forget the words.
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    DasUberEdwardDasUberEdward Registered User regular
    Gonmun wrote: »
    Vanguard wrote: »
    Hm the tip of my finger is mysteriously swelling and hurts a little when I push on the side of it. Hmmm

    amputate

    better safe than sorry

    Gonna give it a day. Pray on it. Etc.

    Sounds like what happened with me with an in-grown toe nail.

    @Gonmun‌ what else happened? The source of the inflammation seems to be right at the edge of the cuticle too

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    21stCentury21stCentury Call me Pixel, or Pix for short! [They/Them]Registered User regular
    Deebaser wrote: »
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    i hope you guys will be derisive as hell when i kickstart my own thing.

    Because if you aren't, i'll know you guys are hypocritical and only support me because you like me as a person.

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    AbdhyiusAbdhyius Registered User regular
    disclaimer: I think Israel is being a massive asshole about all this but Hamas is also being dicks and also kinda stupid or dishonest

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    VanguardVanguard But now the dream is over. And the insect is awake.Registered User, __BANNED USERS regular
    the person that made that comment is kickstarter is dumb

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    STATE OF THE ART ROBOTSTATE OF THE ART ROBOT Registered User regular
    Abdhyius wrote: »
    I can't call a game good if a prerequisite of learning to play it is "wait for someone to come online and we will show you"

    Why not?

    I feel that if a game cannot provide a tutorial that at least allows you to play itself, it is not good

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    TavTav Irish Minister for DefenceRegistered User regular
    i have really started to dislike the oatmeal

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    bowenbowen How you doin'? Registered User regular
    Macs are a real pleasure to program on.

    not a doctor, not a lawyer, examples I use may not be fully researched so don't take out of context plz, don't @ me
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    VanguardVanguard But now the dream is over. And the insect is awake.Registered User, __BANNED USERS regular
    Tav wrote: »
    i have really started to dislike the oatmeal

    it seems your first mistake was ever liking the oatmeal

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    bowenbowen How you doin'? Registered User regular
    All the benefits of linux without having to run linux.

    not a doctor, not a lawyer, examples I use may not be fully researched so don't take out of context plz, don't @ me
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    AbdhyiusAbdhyius Registered User regular
    edited July 2014
    Gonmun wrote: »
    Vanguard wrote: »
    Hm the tip of my finger is mysteriously swelling and hurts a little when I push on the side of it. Hmmm

    amputate

    better safe than sorry

    Gonna give it a day. Pray on it. Etc.

    Sounds like what happened with me with an in-grown toe nail.

    @Gonmun‌ what else happened? The source of the inflammation seems to be right at the edge of the cuticle too

    I've had this exact thing I think!

    Fingertip got swollen and a bit hurty, by the side of the nail.

    (I went around occasionally poking it until it became apparent where the best place to poke a hole in it was, then I drained the swelling)

    Abdhyius on
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    21stCentury21stCentury Call me Pixel, or Pix for short! [They/Them]Registered User regular
    Tav wrote: »
    i have really started to dislike the oatmeal

    Why's that?

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    kedinikkedinik Captain of Industry Registered User regular
    @shalmelo‌ @Kana‌ @Pony‌ @Rear Admiral Choco

    Four excellent reports. Those all sounded like fun games.

    I made a game! Hotline Maui. Requires mouse and keyboard.
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    ThomamelasThomamelas Only one man can kill this many Russians. Bring his guitar to me! Registered User regular
    @jacobkosh and @Pony‌

    So Dee has reminded me of the ongoing saga of Robotech Tactics has taken a surprising turn. The sprues have all been shown for the minis and they appear to actually work. Factories in China may even be producing them. The surprising point is that it hasn't taken them 12 years. But being Palladium they have managed to fuck it up. The first few shipments will be going to Gencon for sales there first. Some other RPGs have done this, and I can understand the reasoning why. But unlike most companies that have done this, they aren't giving the Kickstarter backers the option to pick up their copy at Gencon. The backers have been informed that this will not be the case for Robotech Tactics.

    As you can imagine, this was not greeted with the loud cheering noises Palladium expected.

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    TaramoorTaramoor Storyteller Registered User regular
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    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/science/blackest-is-the-new-black-scientists-have-developed-a-material-so-dark-that-you-cant-see-it-9602504.html

    Scientists develop material that reflect less than .05% of light. That's a crumpled piece of a aluminum foil coated in the stuff. It's not flat.

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    DevoutlyApatheticDevoutlyApathetic Registered User regular
    Abdhyius wrote: »
    AutoCAD has a mac version now

    it is an utter pain to use

    I mean, it is more of a pain to use than regular AutoCAD

    You're breaking my ability to imagine things.

    Like, do you have to type the damn commands in baudot code or some shit?

    Nod. Get treat. PSN: Quippish
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    WinkyWinky rRegistered User regular
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    Abdhyius wrote: »
    I can't call a game good if a prerequisite of learning to play it is "wait for someone to come online and we will show you"

    Why not?

    I feel that if a game cannot provide a tutorial that at least allows you to play itself, it is not good

    There's a difference between "well-made" and "fun".

    Plenty of games that are poorly made are still extremely fun.

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    emnmnmeemnmnme Registered User regular
    Abdhyius wrote: »
    I can't call a game good if a prerequisite of learning to play it is "wait for someone to come online and we will show you"

    Why not?

    I feel that if a game cannot provide a tutorial that at least allows you to play itself, it is not good

    What about a comprehensive manual? Baldur's Gate is a good game with a half-inch thick manual and no in-game tutorial.

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    CindersCinders Whose sails were black when it was windy Registered User regular
    Oh

    I get it Kedinik.

    Don't like the murder team's game.

    Alright.

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    AbdhyiusAbdhyius Registered User regular
    Abdhyius wrote: »
    I can't call a game good if a prerequisite of learning to play it is "wait for someone to come online and we will show you"

    Why not?

    I feel that if a game cannot provide a tutorial that at least allows you to play itself, it is not good

    I think those are entirely separate

    the game is good or not; the tutorial and ease of learning is something else

    like, say, chess, it's just as good a game with or without a manual, you're just not gonna get anything out of it until you learn it

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    DevoutlyApatheticDevoutlyApathetic Registered User regular
    Nova_C wrote: »
    I've had the game for two fucking days.

    I was looking at buying this and was all $30 dollars? Nah...but then you had to be a good guy and take one for the team.

    Thanks!

    Nod. Get treat. PSN: Quippish
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    VanguardVanguard But now the dream is over. And the insect is awake.Registered User, __BANNED USERS regular
    Winky wrote: »
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    Abdhyius wrote: »
    I can't call a game good if a prerequisite of learning to play it is "wait for someone to come online and we will show you"

    Why not?

    I feel that if a game cannot provide a tutorial that at least allows you to play itself, it is not good

    There's a difference between "well-made" and "fun".

    Plenty of games that are poorly made are still extremely fun.

    example: your favorite edition of D&D, unless it's also my favorite

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    AbdhyiusAbdhyius Registered User regular
    Abdhyius wrote: »
    AutoCAD has a mac version now

    it is an utter pain to use

    I mean, it is more of a pain to use than regular AutoCAD

    You're breaking my ability to imagine things.

    Like, do you have to type the damn commands in baudot code or some shit?

    starting to use it, I should say

    finding the button you need is torture

    once you know how it is a breeze, but the program is 15 years or so and they've never ever removed any button

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    EchoEcho ski-bap ba-dapModerator mod
    Vanguard wrote: »
    tl; dr everybody buy blood bowl sets

    get yo shit painted

    let's do this

    Here we have the Maledor Manticores by a friend of mine.

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    STATE OF THE ART ROBOTSTATE OF THE ART ROBOT Registered User regular
    Work is stupid. Why do we have to suffer through it?

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    ThomamelasThomamelas Only one man can kill this many Russians. Bring his guitar to me! Registered User regular
    emnmnme wrote: »
    Abdhyius wrote: »
    I can't call a game good if a prerequisite of learning to play it is "wait for someone to come online and we will show you"

    Why not?

    I feel that if a game cannot provide a tutorial that at least allows you to play itself, it is not good

    What about a comprehensive manual? Baldur's Gate is a good game with a half-inch thick manual and no in-game tutorial.

    Also it was sold separately.

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    DelmainDelmain Registered User regular
    Taramoor wrote: »
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    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/science/blackest-is-the-new-black-scientists-have-developed-a-material-so-dark-that-you-cant-see-it-9602504.html

    Scientists develop material that reflect less than .05% of light. That's a crumpled piece of a aluminum foil coated in the stuff. It's not flat.

    Oh my god, I need more angles of that.

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    surrealitychecksurrealitycheck lonely, but not unloved dreaming of faulty keys and latchesRegistered User regular
    greetings nerd lords

    guillermo del toros vampire show the strain just aired its first ep

    is it any gud we wonder

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    LudiousLudious I just wanted a sandwich A temporally dislocated QuiznosRegistered User regular
    Work is stupid. Why do we have to suffer through it?

    you failed your privileged throw and have to roll a pay check

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    TL DRTL DR Not at all confident in his reflexive opinions of thingsRegistered User regular
    Abdhyius wrote: »
    disclaimer: I think Israel is being a massive asshole about all this but Hamas is also being dicks and also kinda stupid or dishonest

    All war and nationalism and individuality is distraction from universal oneness fyi hth

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    Donkey KongDonkey Kong Putting Nintendo out of business with AI nips Registered User regular
    Crytek and Bethesda have proven a million times over that well-made and fun are completely independent properties when it comes to video games.

    Thousands of hot, local singles are waiting to play at bubbulon.com.
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    cptruggedcptrugged I think it has something to do with free will. Registered User regular
    Winky wrote: »
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    Abdhyius wrote: »
    I can't call a game good if a prerequisite of learning to play it is "wait for someone to come online and we will show you"

    Why not?

    I feel that if a game cannot provide a tutorial that at least allows you to play itself, it is not good

    There's a difference between "well-made" and "fun".

    Plenty of games that are poorly made are still extremely fun.

    This is true. I freakin' loved Armageddon Empires. But holy crap was the UI lame. But that's because the dude was focused on the ruleset and game balance. He didn't know much about UIs and did the best he could. Still a great value though. Got a TON of play out of that game.

    I wish his next game had been as interesting. But I didn't care for it as much as AE at all.

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    KonphujunKonphujun Illinois, USARegistered User regular
    Fuck blood bowl. Stupid cheating fucking AI.

    Everything: Konphujun(#1458)
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    TarranonTarranon Registered User regular
    Kana wrote: »
    Blood bowl 75% off?

    How can i compete with that?

    oh goddamnit steam

    NOW you put it on sale

    where do you guys see it on sale? it's showing up full price to me

    You could be anywhere
    On the black screen
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    Donkey KongDonkey Kong Putting Nintendo out of business with AI nips Registered User regular
    Ludious wrote: »
    Work is stupid. Why do we have to suffer through it?

    you failed your privileged throw and have to roll a pay check

    2/10

    Thousands of hot, local singles are waiting to play at bubbulon.com.
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    TaramoorTaramoor Storyteller Registered User regular
    Delmain wrote: »
    Taramoor wrote: »
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    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/science/blackest-is-the-new-black-scientists-have-developed-a-material-so-dark-that-you-cant-see-it-9602504.html

    Scientists develop material that reflect less than .05% of light. That's a crumpled piece of a aluminum foil coated in the stuff. It's not flat.

    Oh my god, I need more angles of that.

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    STATE OF THE ART ROBOTSTATE OF THE ART ROBOT Registered User regular
    Play TF2 and shoot at each other instead

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    Nova_CNova_C I have the need The need for speedRegistered User regular
    @Pony‌

    Press 'G' to turn on visible tackle zones. I pretty much always have them up, but it only shows the opposing team's TZs, not your own.

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    21stCentury21stCentury Call me Pixel, or Pix for short! [They/Them]Registered User regular
    Play TF2 and shoot at each other instead

    Pfft.

    i'd rather teleport bread all week-end.

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    DelmainDelmain Registered User regular
    Tarranon wrote: »
    Kana wrote: »
    Blood bowl 75% off?

    How can i compete with that?

    oh goddamnit steam

    NOW you put it on sale

    where do you guys see it on sale? it's showing up full price to me

    Are you in the US? I picked it up just a few minutes ago.

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