Fuck "greatness." Fuck the will to power. Fuck the Ãœbermensch.
Just be a mensch. Why did it take me so long to realize this?
Of course you mean fuck Nietzsche's sister for being a fascist bitch.
Well, sure.
But also fuck Nietzsche.
For all Ayn Rand and Nietzsche and every other superior asshole's talk of seizing happiness and not letting institutions like religion or other social networks stifle you, who's happier in the end?
I'll give you a hint: it's not the person who works ten hours a day in a rented attic ranting about how he's superior to nearly every human being to ever live.
I have found that the smarter I become the less happy I am on a regular basis. I guess knowing that when you die there's no choir of cheery, winged cherubs and a giant tall dude with a big white beard waiting to greet you into a magical kindgom of happiness and orgasms is pretty embittering.
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Fuck "greatness." Fuck the will to power. Fuck the Ãœbermensch.
Just be a mensch. Why did it take me so long to realize this?
Of course you mean fuck Nietzsche's sister for being a fascist bitch.
Well, sure.
But also fuck Nietzsche.
For all Ayn Rand and Nietzsche and every other superior asshole's talk of seizing happiness and not letting institutions like religion or other social networks stifle you, who's happier in the end?
I'll give you a hint: it's not the person who works ten hours a day in a rented attic ranting about how he's superior to nearly every human being to ever live.
Nietzsche was a professor. And actually a pretty brilliant linguist.
Well, to be fair, their ideal was never to rant. It was to be happy. It just so happened that the world was so out of sync with what they thought to be paradise, it was work to try and argue for their view.
Ideologies that fail to take reality into account are all but worthless.
And if everyone lived like Nietzsche or Rand? We'd disappear in a single goddamn generation.
Seriously, fuck them both right in the goddamn ear.
I mean, my heart is just breaking as I watch someone descend into that horrible place that I used to be in. She's using Rand instead of Nietzsche, but it's all the same. It's all the same stupid, stupid nonsense that never connects to the reality of what makes people happy.
I guess you have to see someone else make your mistakes to realize what enormous mistakes they were.
Fuck "greatness." Fuck the will to power. Fuck the Übermensch.
Just be a mensch. Why did it take me so long to realize this?
Of course you mean fuck Nietzsche's sister for being a fascist bitch.
Well, sure.
But also fuck Nietzsche.
For all Ayn Rand and Nietzsche and every other superior asshole's talk of seizing happiness and not letting institutions like religion or other social networks stifle you, who's happier in the end?
I'll give you a hint: it's not the person who works ten hours a day in a rented attic ranting about how he's superior to nearly every human being to ever live.
Nietzsche was a professor. And actually a pretty brilliant linguist.
Yeah, but if you ever have even one, single ill-conceived or questionable view, you're nevertheless a degenerate fiend.
(This is meant to be taken as humor. I'm not defending Rand or objectivism, or Nietzsche or Ubermensch-ism)
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Fuck "greatness." Fuck the will to power. Fuck the Ãœbermensch.
Just be a mensch. Why did it take me so long to realize this?
Of course you mean fuck Nietzsche's sister for being a fascist bitch.
Well, sure.
But also fuck Nietzsche.
For all Ayn Rand and Nietzsche and every other superior asshole's talk of seizing happiness and not letting institutions like religion or other social networks stifle you, who's happier in the end?
I'll give you a hint: it's not the person who works ten hours a day in a rented attic ranting about how he's superior to nearly every human being to ever live.
Nietzsche was a professor. And actually a pretty brilliant linguist.
Rand, on the other hand, was a worthless piece of droopy fuggo.
Fuck "greatness." Fuck the will to power. Fuck the Ãœbermensch.
Just be a mensch. Why did it take me so long to realize this?
Of course you mean fuck Nietzsche's sister for being a fascist bitch.
Well, sure.
But also fuck Nietzsche.
For all Ayn Rand and Nietzsche and every other superior asshole's talk of seizing happiness and not letting institutions like religion or other social networks stifle you, who's happier in the end?
I'll give you a hint: it's not the person who works ten hours a day in a rented attic ranting about how he's superior to nearly every human being to ever live.
Nietzsche was a professor. And actually a pretty brilliant linguist.
Yes, he was a professor of philology. I know this. I also know that he quit to write full time after a while, living off an impossible meager pension, in tiny rented rooms, working himself to death.
I know because I glorified that story, and idealized it, and hoped to be it for a year and a half.
Because that shit fucks with your mind.
It's all just a fucking rationalization for isolation and lonliness and suffering, all just a ridiculous, logically inconsistent attempt to glorify the pathetic lives that its authors lived.
Man. It's funny. Not so long ago Nietzsche was my goddamn idol, and now that I see what similar ideologies are wreaking on a friend, I suddenly have nothing but unbridled contempt for him.
Btw, what spurred this, Aem? What happened? It's not that you're wrong, or unjustified in the thought, but I mean... was it like, a passing ice cream truck's jingle or something? The outburst seemed rather arbitrary.
Btw, what spurred this, Aem? What happened? It's not that you're wrong, or unjustified in the thought, but I mean... was it like, a passing ice cream truck's jingle or something? The outburst seemed rather arbitrary.
My friend is sinking into the same pit of isolated despair that I occupied for a long time, and seeing it happen to someone else is just so incredibly painful. So heart-wrenchingly horrible. And suddenly I see what a flawed fucking philosophy it is.
Once my personal stake was removed, once I have no motive to reconcile the glaring logical inconsistencies of, say, praising happiness and seizing life, while simultaneously living as an emotionally crippled ascetic, and espousing destructive philosophies which will never bring joy to a single soul? Well, then it's pretty easy to see it for the shit it is.
My opinion of Nietzsche is sort of limited by the fact that my professors assumed that I had read all his works based on the stuff that I said casually.
I can only respect someone so much whose life work is summed up in things I say at random.
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Also: Nihilistic philosophies, like ethical egoism, are not for your standard user. You have to be a well-warped person to use them properly. Freaks only, kiddies.
Btw, what spurred this, Aem? What happened? It's not that you're wrong, or unjustified in the thought, but I mean... was it like, a passing ice cream truck's jingle or something? The outburst seemed rather arbitrary.
My friend is sinking into the same pit of isolated despair that I occupied for a long time, and seeing it happen to someone else is just so incredibly painful. So heart-wrenchingly horrible. And suddenly I see what a flawed fucking philosophy it is.
Once my personal stake was removed, once I have no motive to reconcile the glaring logical inconsistencies of, say, praising happiness and seizing life, while simultaneously living as an emotionally crippled ascetic, and espousing destructive philosophies which will never bring joy to a single soul? Well, then it's pretty easy to see it for the shit it is.
Wait, wait wait. Now I'm interested. If all your friend is doing is seizing happiness and praising life, what's wrong with that?
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It's all just a fucking rationalization for isolation and lonliness and suffering, all just a ridiculous, logically inconsistent attempt to glorify the pathetic lives that its authors lived.
Also: Nihilistic philosophies, like ethical egoism, are not for your standard user. You have to be a well-warped person to use them properly. Freaks only, kiddies.
You know, I spent so much time defending Nietzsche from accusations of nihilism. It drove me crazy. Because he says he hates nihilism. He rails against it. He advocates embracing life and happiness.
But you know fucking what? If it sounds like nihlism? Looks like nihlism? Feels like nihlism? Smells like nihlism? It's fucking nihilism.
Btw, what spurred this, Aem? What happened? It's not that you're wrong, or unjustified in the thought, but I mean... was it like, a passing ice cream truck's jingle or something? The outburst seemed rather arbitrary.
My friend is sinking into the same pit of isolated despair that I occupied for a long time, and seeing it happen to someone else is just so incredibly painful. So heart-wrenchingly horrible. And suddenly I see what a flawed fucking philosophy it is.
Once my personal stake was removed, once I have no motive to reconcile the glaring logical inconsistencies of, say, praising happiness and seizing life, while simultaneously living as an emotionally crippled ascetic, and espousing destructive philosophies which will never bring joy to a single soul? Well, then it's pretty easy to see it for the shit it is.
Wait, wait wait. Now I'm interested. If all your friend is doing is seizing happiness and praising life, what's wrong with that?
Seriously though, the philosophy works fine, BUT your mind has to fit it. That's the key to a lot of philosophies. Regardless of their reality, your psyche has to actually FIT them for them to be compatible.
I mean, hell, look at the whole goth thing. The people who are really really into it for decades on end? Perfectly happy people. "Tee hee, isn't it cool we're going to all wither and die someday? Hey, wanna play WiiSports?"
Again, it's like ethical egoism. For the average person, does not compute. They may try it out, they may think it makes sense, but most people will freak out under it and head for humanism or something.
Seriously though, the philosophy works fine, BUT your mind has to fit it. That's the key to a lot of philosophies. Regardless of their reality, your psyche has to actually FIT them for them to be compatible.
I mean, hell, look at the whole goth thing. The people who are really really into it for decades on end? Perfectly happy people. "Tee hee, isn't it cool we're going to all wither and die someday? Hey, wanna play WiiSports?"
Again, it's like ethical egoism. For the average person, does not compute. They may try it out, they may think it makes sense, but most people will freak out under it and head for humanism or something.
ethical egoism?
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Yes, yes, yes. I read what you said. That wasn't exactly my point, and it was my fault for being unclear.
I mean, in what manner is your friend demonstrating the ills of the philosophy? What's happening? I mean, he dump his girlfriend, steal from his mom and shoot the school bully or something? What's going on?
You have no responsibility to tell me, I'm just asking.
Yes, yes, yes. I read what you said. That wasn't exactly my point, and it was my fault for being unclear.
I mean, in what manner is your friend demonstrating the ills of the philosophy? What's happening? I mean, he dump his girlfriend, steal from his mom and shoot the school bully or something? What's going on?
You have no responsibility to tell me, I'm just asking.
She's trying to repress all her emotions and purposefully become a cold, heartless bitch, because really, who needs people when you can bury all your problems under mountains and mountains of work, right?
Basically, "I'm a nice, cooperative person because it improves my environment and thus increases my chances of being happy."
An extension of the notion of "If nobody steals, then nobody gets robbed."
It also essentially ignores the concept of morals entirely.
Also it makes Mr.^2 turn funny colors. 8-)
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It's raining and I agreed to help out a mate by driving him to a gig this morning. I've just realised that I can't just get drunk once I get there on account of the driving. And it's raining.
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Yes, yes, yes. I read what you said. That wasn't exactly my point, and it was my fault for being unclear.
I mean, in what manner is your friend demonstrating the ills of the philosophy? What's happening? I mean, he dump his girlfriend, steal from his mom and shoot the school bully or something? What's going on?
You have no responsibility to tell me, I'm just asking.
She's trying to repress all her emotions and purposefully become a cold, heartless bitch, because really, who needs people when you can bury all your problems under mountains and mountains of work, right?
Ah, yes, that.
Snap her out of it, and quick. Otherwise she might disappear forever.
Yes, yes, yes. I read what you said. That wasn't exactly my point, and it was my fault for being unclear.
I mean, in what manner is your friend demonstrating the ills of the philosophy? What's happening? I mean, he dump his girlfriend, steal from his mom and shoot the school bully or something? What's going on?
You have no responsibility to tell me, I'm just asking.
She's trying to repress all her emotions and purposefully become a cold, heartless bitch, because really, who needs people when you can bury all your problems under mountains and mountains of work, right?
Does she think that will make her happy? Or a more successful person? Cause I might agree that it would lead to more financial success...
I am tired
And this is some seriously shitty code I am writing
What's the simplest way to do a password in Java, even if it is not secure at all, but something above just having a string and being like .equals
also I am in the dominant age group on this poll so i am a winner
She's trying to repress all her emotions and purposefully become a cold, heartless bitch, because really, who needs people when you can bury all your problems under mountains and mountains of work, right?
My last girlfriend tried to do that off and on. She liked to think of herself as an ice queen, and she did actually read Ayn Rand at some point.
Also now I think she's depressed herself to the point where her immune system is non-existent and crap I hope she's not dying.
Ever tried just asking her a lot of questions?
Asking questions is a very useful thing.
My favorite is, "What do you want?"
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And this is some seriously shitty code I am writing
What's the simplest way to do a password in Java, even if it is not secure at all, but something above just having a string and being like .equals
Yes, that is the simplest way to a password.
And I've above the dominant age group, so in your face. You guys are like Epsilons. I'm at least a Gamma minus, hurray!
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Though I did read a bit of Nietzsche. That resulted in about two months of claiming to be the Ubermeister when I was incredibly drunk.
Ideologies that fail to take reality into account are all but worthless.
And if everyone lived like Nietzsche or Rand? We'd disappear in a single goddamn generation.
Seriously, fuck them both right in the goddamn ear.
I mean, my heart is just breaking as I watch someone descend into that horrible place that I used to be in. She's using Rand instead of Nietzsche, but it's all the same. It's all the same stupid, stupid nonsense that never connects to the reality of what makes people happy.
I guess you have to see someone else make your mistakes to realize what enormous mistakes they were.
Yeah, but if you ever have even one, single ill-conceived or questionable view, you're nevertheless a degenerate fiend.
(This is meant to be taken as humor. I'm not defending Rand or objectivism, or Nietzsche or Ubermensch-ism)
Happiness is for PSYCHOLOGY (and biochemistry).
Philosophy is pretty much useless in this regard unless it's a psychological tool.
Yes, he was a professor of philology. I know this. I also know that he quit to write full time after a while, living off an impossible meager pension, in tiny rented rooms, working himself to death.
I know because I glorified that story, and idealized it, and hoped to be it for a year and a half.
Because that shit fucks with your mind.
It's all just a fucking rationalization for isolation and lonliness and suffering, all just a ridiculous, logically inconsistent attempt to glorify the pathetic lives that its authors lived.
Man. It's funny. Not so long ago Nietzsche was my goddamn idol, and now that I see what similar ideologies are wreaking on a friend, I suddenly have nothing but unbridled contempt for him.
My friend is sinking into the same pit of isolated despair that I occupied for a long time, and seeing it happen to someone else is just so incredibly painful. So heart-wrenchingly horrible. And suddenly I see what a flawed fucking philosophy it is.
Once my personal stake was removed, once I have no motive to reconcile the glaring logical inconsistencies of, say, praising happiness and seizing life, while simultaneously living as an emotionally crippled ascetic, and espousing destructive philosophies which will never bring joy to a single soul? Well, then it's pretty easy to see it for the shit it is.
I can only respect someone so much whose life work is summed up in things I say at random.
--
Also: Nihilistic philosophies, like ethical egoism, are not for your standard user. You have to be a well-warped person to use them properly. Freaks only, kiddies.
Wait, wait wait. Now I'm interested. If all your friend is doing is seizing happiness and praising life, what's wrong with that?
The way to get around this is to actually, truly, hate yourself, so that you wish yourself endless pain. :P
You know, I spent so much time defending Nietzsche from accusations of nihilism. It drove me crazy. Because he says he hates nihilism. He rails against it. He advocates embracing life and happiness.
But you know fucking what? If it sounds like nihlism? Looks like nihlism? Feels like nihlism? Smells like nihlism? It's fucking nihilism.
And fuck nihilism.
Um, do you read posts?
ITT: Aem becomes one dashing son of a gun.
Seriously though, the philosophy works fine, BUT your mind has to fit it. That's the key to a lot of philosophies. Regardless of their reality, your psyche has to actually FIT them for them to be compatible.
I mean, hell, look at the whole goth thing. The people who are really really into it for decades on end? Perfectly happy people. "Tee hee, isn't it cool we're going to all wither and die someday? Hey, wanna play WiiSports?"
Again, it's like ethical egoism. For the average person, does not compute. They may try it out, they may think it makes sense, but most people will freak out under it and head for humanism or something.
ethical egoism?
That'd be like not enjoying a McDowell blowjob.
Oh, I will.
:winky:
Yes, yes, yes. I read what you said. That wasn't exactly my point, and it was my fault for being unclear.
I mean, in what manner is your friend demonstrating the ills of the philosophy? What's happening? I mean, he dump his girlfriend, steal from his mom and shoot the school bully or something? What's going on?
You have no responsibility to tell me, I'm just asking.
A droogjob.
She's trying to repress all her emotions and purposefully become a cold, heartless bitch, because really, who needs people when you can bury all your problems under mountains and mountains of work, right?
Basically, "I'm a nice, cooperative person because it improves my environment and thus increases my chances of being happy."
An extension of the notion of "If nobody steals, then nobody gets robbed."
It also essentially ignores the concept of morals entirely.
Also it makes Mr.^2 turn funny colors. 8-)
Snap her out of it, and quick. Otherwise she might disappear forever.
Does she think that will make her happy? Or a more successful person? Cause I might agree that it would lead to more financial success...
And this is some seriously shitty code I am writing
What's the simplest way to do a password in Java, even if it is not secure at all, but something above just having a string and being like .equals
also I am in the dominant age group on this poll so i am a winner
First against the wall, Shaz. First against the wall.
My last girlfriend tried to do that off and on. She liked to think of herself as an ice queen, and she did actually read Ayn Rand at some point.
Also now I think she's depressed herself to the point where her immune system is non-existent and crap I hope she's not dying.
Ever tried just asking her a lot of questions?
Asking questions is a very useful thing.
My favorite is, "What do you want?"
And I've above the dominant age group, so in your face. You guys are like Epsilons. I'm at least a Gamma minus, hurray!
We've got a live one!