Man, this Avengers stuff
Like, Cap is gonna do Cap, and nobody loves that more than me, but
When he just goes, well we're gonna call everyone up and stop the Illuminati and then we'll find a way to stop the incursions
Fucking how, Steve? You literally don't know the first thing about how else you can fix this
Well we'll find another way because we have to!
I mean I know as a comics reader that he's going to pull it off and I'll love that, but I can absolutely see why the other characters might see him as an obstacle and a nuisance
A naive and outdated one at that
Not necessarily, I think.
I mean, his point of view is the exact same point of view as the Great Society, and look what happened to them.
I don't know what Hickman's end game is, but I have a feeling neither Cap nor Iron Man are going to turn out to be completely right in the end.
I dunno about IM but Cap's not turning out to be completely right NOW.
On a more positive note, preview pages for Edge Of Spider-Verse #3 are up and a couple of pages have a nice nostalgic nod to those that collected certain cards back in the day.
there is nothing inherently wrong with deus ex machina as a narrative device
No
But it often feels like you're robbed of a real conclusion
why is deus ex machina not a "real conclusion"?
Because the issues are resolved by something other than the major players
It makes the rest of the story seem pointless
Also it's generally considered lazy writing.
When you build up to a big finale, and then throw in something completely out of nowhere that solves the problem, it makes it look like you wrote yourself into a corner and had to throw in some bullshit to fix everything.
Like the series finale of Buffy was a blatant Deus Ex Machina.
They spent the season building up that there was this new super vampire that had been created that took everything Buffy had to stop.
And then they revealed that there is a literal army of them underground waiting to emerge.
And the big questoin is "How the fuck are they gonna overcome this"
And then in the last episode Angel shows up and gives Buffy a magic talisman that they use later in a spell that makes all the vampires explode.
At the virtual last minute of the show, the solution to all their problems was literally handed to them. And it's fucking stupid.
what if it is a literal hand of god grabbing a nuke and blowing up las vegas like at the end of the stand miniseries
Did they set up god, imply god, have a religious character...something?
From pretty much the very beginning, the villain Randall Flagg is implied to be the Devil, and the character Mother Abigail is an explicitly religious figure as well.
there is nothing inherently wrong with deus ex machina as a narrative device
No
But it often feels like you're robbed of a real conclusion
why is deus ex machina not a "real conclusion"?
Because the issues are resolved by something other than the major players
It makes the rest of the story seem pointless
Also it's generally considered lazy writing.
When you build up to a big finale, and then throw in something completely out of nowhere that solves the problem, it makes it look like you wrote yourself into a corner and had to throw in some bullshit to fix everything.
Like the series finale of Buffy was a blatant Deus Ex Machina.
They spent the season building up that there was this new super vampire that had been created that took everything Buffy had to stop.
And then they revealed that there is a literal army of them underground waiting to emerge.
And the big questoin is "How the fuck are they gonna overcome this"
And then in the last episode Angel shows up and gives Buffy a magic talisman that they use later in a spell that makes all the vampires explode.
At the virtual last minute of the show, the solution to all their problems was literally handed to them. And it's fucking stupid.
I haven't watched buffy
but that sounds like the solution to one specific problem was handed down
that problem being "how do we stop the super vampires?"
and that talisman had some exposure in Angel. Buffy using it created some issues for his team, which I consider pretty neat.
I thought it was great. I am the big king guy who actually has only read all of the dark tower stuff and the stuff that relates to the tower like It and the stand and etc
there is nothing inherently wrong with deus ex machina as a narrative device
No
But it often feels like you're robbed of a real conclusion
why is deus ex machina not a "real conclusion"?
Because the issues are resolved by something other than the major players
It makes the rest of the story seem pointless
Also it's generally considered lazy writing.
When you build up to a big finale, and then throw in something completely out of nowhere that solves the problem, it makes it look like you wrote yourself into a corner and had to throw in some bullshit to fix everything.
Like the series finale of Buffy was a blatant Deus Ex Machina.
They spent the season building up that there was this new super vampire that had been created that took everything Buffy had to stop.
And then they revealed that there is a literal army of them underground waiting to emerge.
And the big questoin is "How the fuck are they gonna overcome this"
And then in the last episode Angel shows up and gives Buffy a magic talisman that they use later in a spell that makes all the vampires explode.
At the virtual last minute of the show, the solution to all their problems was literally handed to them. And it's fucking stupid.
I thought it was great. I am the big king guy who actually has only read all of the dark tower stuff and the stuff that relates to the tower like It and the stand and etc
I really liked the end ending, and I was on his side on why he did certain things that angered a lot of his readers...
like how he killed off Eddie
But a lot of the filler in the last few books...
inserting himself and his tragedy
was a bit too much for me.
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I thought it was great. I am the big king guy who actually has only read all of the dark tower stuff and the stuff that relates to the tower like It and the stand and etc
I really liked the end ending, and I was on his side on why he did certain things that angered a lot of his readers...
like how he killed off Eddie
But a lot of the filler in the last few books...
inserting himself and his tragedy
was a bit too much for me.
I didn't really mind that, as I think it fit in with the nature of the series, in my opinion
Also maybe in remembering incorrectly but I thought the nuke was set off by like electricity or something that the protagonists triggered in some way
Flagg conjured some fire to kill someone who spoke up against him, and when Trashcan Man returned with the nuke, he lost control of it (a couple of characters say it's the hand of God but it's not confirmed as such) and the nuke goes off
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No
But it often feels like you're robbed of a real conclusion
On a more positive note, preview pages for Edge Of Spider-Verse #3 are up and a couple of pages have a nice nostalgic nod to those that collected certain cards back in the day.
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This is exactly the kind of dumb I want
That's in the book too
Did they set up god, imply god, have a religious character...something?
why is deus ex machina not a "real conclusion"?
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Because the issues are resolved by something other than the major players
It makes the rest of the story seem pointless
enjoyed as much as, sure, a couple of times. Uncanny X-Force and Godbomb, in recently memory
but more? No. I love my comics like those series.
Also it's generally considered lazy writing.
When you build up to a big finale, and then throw in something completely out of nowhere that solves the problem, it makes it look like you wrote yourself into a corner and had to throw in some bullshit to fix everything.
Like the series finale of Buffy was a blatant Deus Ex Machina.
They spent the season building up that there was this new super vampire that had been created that took everything Buffy had to stop.
And then they revealed that there is a literal army of them underground waiting to emerge.
And the big questoin is "How the fuck are they gonna overcome this"
And then in the last episode Angel shows up and gives Buffy a magic talisman that they use later in a spell that makes all the vampires explode.
At the virtual last minute of the show, the solution to all their problems was literally handed to them. And it's fucking stupid.
or at least, a degree of a let down
edit: also my memory is downright terrible.
From pretty much the very beginning, the villain Randall Flagg is implied to be the Devil, and the character Mother Abigail is an explicitly religious figure as well.
Also
Steam
The Stand is literally about God and The Devil fighting over the souls of the survivors of devastating plague
What did you think about flaggs treatment in the dark tower books
I haven't watched buffy
but that sounds like the solution to one specific problem was handed down
that problem being "how do we stop the super vampires?"
and that talisman had some exposure in Angel. Buffy using it created some issues for his team, which I consider pretty neat.
Ah
The dark tower is a pretty good microcosm of the best and worst of kings writing
IMHO of course
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Aw cmon
There's REALLY good stuff in there
The thing where he wrote stuff in parentheses occasionally that looked like editors notes (so vivid) was duuummmb
it's a lot less literal in the book than it is in the miniseries
also, yeah, he refers to the stand as "a tale of dark christianity" and it's not subtle about it at any point
Well he was 19.
Deus Ex Vampira.
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I didn't really mind that, as I think it fit in with the nature of the series, in my opinion
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Flagg conjured some fire to kill someone who spoke up against him, and when Trashcan Man returned with the nuke, he lost control of it (a couple of characters say it's the hand of God but it's not confirmed as such) and the nuke goes off