Honestly, it feels like there just aren't a lot of really great heist movies. It's a very specific and recognizable form, but too few movies really transcend it. Or even really fulfill it in that super competent way. (Ronin, for instance, can only sustain things for about half the running time.) There's very little in cinema to match, like, the Parker novels--that really hardboiled feel.
I want my Darwin Cooke Parker movies now, dammit.
Preferably directed by Soderberg or the Coens, starring Josh Brolin.
I'll settle for Michael Shannon if Brolin is not available.
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Brainiac 8Don't call me Shirley...Registered Userregular
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I have been trying to imagine what a Marvel helmed Spider-Man movie will be like, and for the life of me I just can't.
I honestly think they should retroactively make the Raimi movies canon and make Parker a legacy hero that has been working in the background. Then introduce Miles and have Parker act as his mentor.
That way we get the best of both worlds, Parker and Miles in one movie. Then we can get McGuire in one more movie. (Shut up, I actually enjoyed Toby)
Would Dog Day Afternoon be a heist movie? That one is great
Heist movies tend to be more about the actual heist and its set-up, while I recall DDA being more about the fallout of the heist after it all goes bad. Kinda like Reservoir Dogs, yes? Maybe it's some subset of heist films, or just sort of heist-adjacent.
It was a great movie, though. The end was a gut-punch.
I'm fairly certain John Cazale has the highest percentage of "films acted in that received academy award nominations" in history. He only appeared in five films before his untimely death, and each one was nominated for Best Picture.
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AtomikaLive fast and get fucked or whateverRegistered Userregular
I have been trying to imagine what a Marvel helmed Spider-Man movie will be like, and for the life of me I just can't.
I honestly think they should retroactively make the Raimi movies canon and make Parker a legacy hero that has been working in the background. Then introduce Miles and have Parker act as his mentor.
That way we get the best of both worlds, Parker and Miles in one movie. Then we can get McGuire in one more movie. (Shut up, I actually enjoyed Toby)
You do know that the Donald Westlake/Darwin Cooke Parker books are not about Spider-Man, right?
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Brainiac 8Don't call me Shirley...Registered Userregular
I have been trying to imagine what a Marvel helmed Spider-Man movie will be like, and for the life of me I just can't.
I honestly think they should retroactively make the Raimi movies canon and make Parker a legacy hero that has been working in the background. Then introduce Miles and have Parker act as his mentor.
That way we get the best of both worlds, Parker and Miles in one movie. Then we can get McGuire in one more movie. (Shut up, I actually enjoyed Toby)
You do know that the Donald Westlake/Darwin Cooke Parker books are not about Spider-Man, right?
Yea, I know, it just got me thinking...and then I realized that I jotted my musings down in a thread that doesn't really care.
So it was me not paying attention all over the place. :P
I'll still ride for Donnie Darko. It's definitely self-important and figuring out the details of the needlessly convoluted plot requires a walkthrough, but it's also got great atmosphere, good performances, a killer soundtrack, and lots of funny moments. Someone mentioned John Hughes and it does have a bit of a demented Hughes vibe, all that 80s pop music and teenage high school drama, just with a transdimensional wormhole dropped in the middle. It's not successful in everything it tries to do, but it's a genuinely original and weird idea.
I still love this scene, and how much information it manages to convey without being able to hear a single spoken word. Scene of the film for me. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qsyfGwlf_l0
Plus, I mean, Patrick Swayze is amazing in it. Also, Gyllenhall absolutely nails "teenager who thinks he's smarter than he actually is."
Originally, and for most of development, the guy attached to play Donnie was Jason Schwartzman. Can you imagine that movie?
No. Actually, no, I can't conceive of it. Unless I re-imagine the whole movie as a Wes Anderson affair.
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I still think that the 2nd Raimi Spiderman movie was one of the best superhero movies put to film.
My favourite heist movies that I haven't seen mentioned:
Formula 51
Snatch
Lock, Stock, & 2 Smoking Barrels
Eh... In the case of Snatch the heist that kicks off the chain of events is finished by the opening credits, and nominal protagonists Turkish and Tommy aren't even aware that either the diamond heist or the resultant bookie heist have taken place.
I've always felt the Bookie heist in Snatch to be one of the funniest sequences ever put to film, but I'm weird like that.
I just love the exchange with the lady.
"I'm not buying that."
"I'm not fucking selling that, its a fact."
I would like some money because these are artisanal nuggets of wisdom philistine.
I still think that the 2nd Raimi Spiderman movie was one of the best superhero movies put to film.
I wouldn't go that far... but I do think that Doc Oc had one of the best supervillain character arcs put to film, which made it a pretty damn good film and my favorite of the three.
How did the guy responsible for the character of Ash and all that went along with him in Army of Darkness create a Spider-Man so devoid of humor? There is a lot to like about Raimi's versions, but the title character isn't one of them. And there is a lot to hate about Webb's vision of Spider-Man, but in costume banter isn't one of them. I'd suggest mashing the 2 directors up to get a great Spider-Man movie, but you'd still be left with shitty antagonists with some of the worst design ever.
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How did the guy responsible for the character of Ash and all that went along with him in Army of Darkness create a Spider-Man so devoid of humor? There is a lot to like about Raimi's versions, but the title character isn't one of them. And there is a lot to hate about Webb's vision of Spider-Man, but in costume banter isn't one of them. I'd suggest mashing the 2 directors up to get a great Spider-Man movie, but you'd still be left with shitty antagonists with some of the worst design ever.
I largely blame Toby McGuire for this; he's way, way, way too earnest to be Spiderman, especially as written. I honestly don't think he could've aced the snark required. I liked the movies, but hearing Toby trash talk would have taken me out of it.
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AtomikaLive fast and get fucked or whateverRegistered Userregular
How did the guy responsible for the character of Ash and all that went along with him in Army of Darkness create a Spider-Man so devoid of humor? There is a lot to like about Raimi's versions, but the title character isn't one of them. And there is a lot to hate about Webb's vision of Spider-Man, but in costume banter isn't one of them. I'd suggest mashing the 2 directors up to get a great Spider-Man movie, but you'd still be left with shitty antagonists with some of the worst design ever.
How did the guy that made Evil Dead, Drag Me to Hell, and Spider-Man 2 make Oz, The Great and Powerful?
I really don't think Spider-Man snark translates well to film, and I'm glad he left it out.
I mean, there was humour and wit all over the rest of those movies, and aside from it not being the Spider-Man many fans seemed to want, they are the most comic-booky (in that they capture a specific, idealized era) of all the comic book movies.
How did the guy responsible for the character of Ash and all that went along with him in Army of Darkness create a Spider-Man so devoid of humor? There is a lot to like about Raimi's versions, but the title character isn't one of them. And there is a lot to hate about Webb's vision of Spider-Man, but in costume banter isn't one of them. I'd suggest mashing the 2 directors up to get a great Spider-Man movie, but you'd still be left with shitty antagonists with some of the worst design ever.
I largely blame Toby McGuire for this; he's way, way, way too earnest to be Spiderman, especially as written. I honestly don't think he could've aced the snark required. I liked the movies, but hearing Toby trash talk would have taken me out of it.
I have to imagine this is an unpopular opinion, but this is where I'm sad that Andrew Garfield won't get a longer run at Spider-Man, because I actually quite liked him in the role.
Barring Jamie Foxx as Electro, I really liked the casting in the Webb films. Those movies failed pretty much entirely in the script. All the other pieces were in place.
It just turns out that, you know, the story and every piece of dialogue comprise a somewhat important part of a film.
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Brainiac 8Don't call me Shirley...Registered Userregular
I actually liked Garfield in the role too. I also thought that Spidey's personality was done wonderfully.
But like @ElJeffe said, the plot of the movies was all over the place in quality and most of it was bad. And dear lord the villains were terrible in both movies. So so soooo bad.
Barring Jamie Foxx as Electro, I really liked the casting in the Webb films. Those movies failed pretty much entirely in the script. All the other pieces were in place.
It just turns out that, you know, the story and every piece of dialogue comprise a somewhat important part of a film.
Ugh, that was such a waste. Foxx should've been the new J Jonah Jameson.
Yeah, the script was hot garbage for both ASMA movies. Both of them are about Magic Blood? REALLY?!
Fast & Furious movies work because they embrace the cheese. When a dude in a movie just straight faced says "I live my life a quarter mile at a time" you have no choice but to just enjoy yourself.
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AtomikaLive fast and get fucked or whateverRegistered Userregular
I never thought that Tobey Maguire's Spidey was dour, as some seem to see him here, but then I never read any of the comics. I remember him being fairly internalised but still having a self-deprecating sense of humour.
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The MCU thread is for the MCU. Non - MCU films can be discussed in here. Spidey is kind of a fringe case now, but to the extent this thread doesn't descend into three page tangents on Spider-Man every two days, i see no problem with taking about it here.
If you want to talk Spidey's role in upcoming films, that's MCU.
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AtomikaLive fast and get fucked or whateverRegistered Userregular
Lord help me, I kinda want to see the new Mission: Impossible.
I've seen all of them and found them to be a profound mixture of inane plots and terribly charismatic people performing insane stunts.
I can't keep up with the MCU thread, and I don't want to see some of the spoiler stuff in there about upcoming things
I'd advocate for discussion of Marvel movies in here when talking criticism of movies that have come out. It's when you start getting into the entire universe and how do they fit together and which hero are they doing next that I think it should go in MCU thread.
Just my two cents
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MI 1: good, slow burn with nice camerawork and really long shots. And I always feel sad for Emelio
MI 2: this must have been one of Australia's first "film here for half off" tax credit movies, because it all made no sense and felt like a way to do the least yet get the most. And Woo's action stuff did not translate well for an American movie, that last act in the bunker and the chase afterwords looks so cheap. That rock climbing scene in the beginning was absolutely cool though.
MI 3: trying way too hard and has no rewatchability, Abrams does shots that make no sense (like Cruise running and the constant shot that was filmed on a line, it makes no sense because it's not like he's turning into The Flash), and there's no twist with Fishburne at all or the story in general, no matter how they tried to make it seem like that.
MI 4: The best one, just a very good action movie all the way around, and it has little touches like Cruise breaking out of prison and asking the camera to help him, or when he wakes up in the hospital the translation doesn't read right because he's trying to get his bearings. Just fun.
God I keep forgetting about Drag me to hell. I need to watch that again ASAP.
I watched the... extended cut or something to that nature where extra footage was added back in. It was terrible. Watch the theatrical and never look back. I almost wonder if they made gag reel takes of scenes, and put those in. The actors were doing lines so badly you would think its either a joke or they wanted that shot removed from the film.
One of the highlights of the film has to be the apple gag with justin long soon after he stopped doing the apple commercials.
an apple product is in every scene with justin long, as if raimi is mocking him, eventually leading to a scene where the iphone in the scene is bigger than him. It's almost like a B plot extra horror story, he can never escape
Cruise is just a charismatic dude so watching the next MI is a no brainer, and Mcquarrie did a good job directing him in Jack reacher so I'm on board with his MI. And hey they brought back Ving Rhames!
I would like some money because these are artisanal nuggets of wisdom philistine.
Lord help me, I kinda want to see the new Mission: Impossible.
I've seen all of them and found them to be a profound mixture of inane plots and terribly charismatic people performing insane stunts.
I was completely surprised at how much I enjoyed Ghost Protocol. I was kind of forced to watch it by my wife, and in the end I was appreciative cause I love a good action movie and it hit all the right notes while being pretty great as a movie in general.
It also has the right amount of Simon Pegg. Like he's the garlic of movies. Too much and its all you can see in the movie, too little and you wonder why he's even there in the first place. MI4 was peak pegg.
I would like some money because these are artisanal nuggets of wisdom philistine.
MI 1: good, slow burn with nice camerawork and really long shots. And I always feel sad for Emelio
MI 2: this must have been one of Australia's first "film here for half off" tax credit movies, because it all made no sense and felt like a way to do the least yet get the most. And Woo's action stuff did not translate well for an American movie, that last act in the bunker and the chase afterwords looks so cheap. That rock climbing scene in the beginning was absolutely cool though.
MI 3: trying way too hard and has no rewatchability, Abrams does shots that make no sense (like Cruise running and the constant shot that was filmed on a line, it makes no sense because it's not like he's turning into The Flash), and there's no twist with Fishburne at all or the story in general, no matter how they tried to make it seem like that.
MI 4: The best one, just a very good action movie all the way around, and it has little touches like Cruise breaking out of prison and asking the camera to help him, or when he wakes up in the hospital the translation doesn't read right because he's trying to get his bearings. Just fun.
Yep, this checks out.
Michelle Monahan got a raw deal in MI4.
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AtomikaLive fast and get fucked or whateverRegistered Userregular
I still couldn't tell you who the villain of MI4 was.
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I want my Darwin Cooke Parker movies now, dammit.
Preferably directed by Soderberg or the Coens, starring Josh Brolin.
I'll settle for Michael Shannon if Brolin is not available.
I honestly think they should retroactively make the Raimi movies canon and make Parker a legacy hero that has been working in the background. Then introduce Miles and have Parker act as his mentor.
That way we get the best of both worlds, Parker and Miles in one movie. Then we can get McGuire in one more movie. (Shut up, I actually enjoyed Toby)
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I'm fairly certain John Cazale has the highest percentage of "films acted in that received academy award nominations" in history. He only appeared in five films before his untimely death, and each one was nominated for Best Picture.
You do know that the Donald Westlake/Darwin Cooke Parker books are not about Spider-Man, right?
Yea, I know, it just got me thinking...and then I realized that I jotted my musings down in a thread that doesn't really care.
So it was me not paying attention all over the place. :P
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No. Actually, no, I can't conceive of it. Unless I re-imagine the whole movie as a Wes Anderson affair.
I just love the exchange with the lady.
"I'm not buying that."
"I'm not fucking selling that, its a fact."
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I wouldn't go that far... but I do think that Doc Oc had one of the best supervillain character arcs put to film, which made it a pretty damn good film and my favorite of the three.
Also, that hospital scene still makes me giggle.
I largely blame Toby McGuire for this; he's way, way, way too earnest to be Spiderman, especially as written. I honestly don't think he could've aced the snark required. I liked the movies, but hearing Toby trash talk would have taken me out of it.
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How did the guy that made Evil Dead, Drag Me to Hell, and Spider-Man 2 make Oz, The Great and Powerful?
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I really don't think Spider-Man snark translates well to film, and I'm glad he left it out.
I mean, there was humour and wit all over the rest of those movies, and aside from it not being the Spider-Man many fans seemed to want, they are the most comic-booky (in that they capture a specific, idealized era) of all the comic book movies.
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I have to imagine this is an unpopular opinion, but this is where I'm sad that Andrew Garfield won't get a longer run at Spider-Man, because I actually quite liked him in the role.
It just turns out that, you know, the story and every piece of dialogue comprise a somewhat important part of a film.
But like @ElJeffe said, the plot of the movies was all over the place in quality and most of it was bad. And dear lord the villains were terrible in both movies. So so soooo bad.
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Ugh, that was such a waste. Foxx should've been the new J Jonah Jameson.
Yeah, the script was hot garbage for both ASMA movies. Both of them are about Magic Blood? REALLY?!
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Tobey's/Rami's Spider-Man was legit terrible and literally left out half of Peter's characterization from the comics.
It dosen't hurt the quality of the movies, but it is a massive gaping void whenever he suits up and instead relies on the villian to set the tone.
I thought that thread was MCU? Or is it just the "comic book movie" thread now?
If you want to talk Spidey's role in upcoming films, that's MCU.
I've seen all of them and found them to be a profound mixture of inane plots and terribly charismatic people performing insane stunts.
I'd advocate for discussion of Marvel movies in here when talking criticism of movies that have come out. It's when you start getting into the entire universe and how do they fit together and which hero are they doing next that I think it should go in MCU thread.
Just my two cents
MI 2: this must have been one of Australia's first "film here for half off" tax credit movies, because it all made no sense and felt like a way to do the least yet get the most. And Woo's action stuff did not translate well for an American movie, that last act in the bunker and the chase afterwords looks so cheap. That rock climbing scene in the beginning was absolutely cool though.
MI 3: trying way too hard and has no rewatchability, Abrams does shots that make no sense (like Cruise running and the constant shot that was filmed on a line, it makes no sense because it's not like he's turning into The Flash), and there's no twist with Fishburne at all or the story in general, no matter how they tried to make it seem like that.
MI 4: The best one, just a very good action movie all the way around, and it has little touches like Cruise breaking out of prison and asking the camera to help him, or when he wakes up in the hospital the translation doesn't read right because he's trying to get his bearings. Just fun.
I watched the... extended cut or something to that nature where extra footage was added back in. It was terrible. Watch the theatrical and never look back. I almost wonder if they made gag reel takes of scenes, and put those in. The actors were doing lines so badly you would think its either a joke or they wanted that shot removed from the film.
One of the highlights of the film has to be the apple gag with justin long soon after he stopped doing the apple commercials.
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I was completely surprised at how much I enjoyed Ghost Protocol. I was kind of forced to watch it by my wife, and in the end I was appreciative cause I love a good action movie and it hit all the right notes while being pretty great as a movie in general.
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Yep, this checks out.
Michelle Monahan got a raw deal in MI4.
Gravity.