I mean, a douche is an object so I wouldn't consider it gendered.
Would calling someone a tampon, condom, loofa be gendered?
Yes.
Unfortunately, many nouns have a gendered subtext to them. When you get into languages other than English, it gets more pronounced. German is a current example where a phallic object is almost always referred to as masculine, such as 'the pen' is 'der Kuli' where the masculine is 'der.' 'Das Fenster' is 'the window' where the 'das' is neutral gendered. 'Die' (dee) is the feminine gender ascribed to many, many objects that have neither phallic or vaginal imagery, but much of modern German in the 21st century is starting to switch to 'das' as a neutral gender for any inanimate object.
Of course, this is regional and subject to scrutiny, but a lot of younger Germans are embracing the spirit of change.
...Now that I think of it, I hope that turn of phase doesn't have a racist connotation to it.
Oh hey I have this same hope/fear about the phrase "A monkey with a flashlight could do it"
I always loved the mental image of a cute little monkey armed with nothing but a flashlight being more capable than somebody but I have become less and less able to reasonably think it isn't just super racist
...Now that I think of it, I hope that turn of phase doesn't have a racist connotation to it.
Oh hey I have this same hope/fear about the phrase "A monkey with a flashlight could do it"
I always loved the mental image of a cute little monkey armed with nothing but a flashlight being more capable than somebody but I have become less and less able to reasonably think it isn't just super racist
Random Question: Who makes these dishes? I have to know!
My Smartass Answer: It's a cadre of highly-skilled Chinese monkeys. They each spend a year learning how to pronounce the Buddhist 'OHM' before they ever touch their tools.
Dumbass Statement: Ha-ha, very funny. Seriously, who makes the dishes?
Infuriated Answer: I tend bar and serve food; I don't know and don't care if they were made by a local dishmonger or The Grand Sultan of Dishmaking Sorcery. None of that matters to my two-dollars and thirteen cents an hour.
Pompous Statement: You must want to get fired because I know people!
Smartass Response: You're sitting at a table with Billy Gibson and Billy loves me. I'm not getting fired; you're getting dumped by The Prince of Houston.
...
Yes, Billy Gibson of ZZTop was a regular so suck it.
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i use prick, dick, clown, and asshole
i guess prick and dick are kinda gendered but *shrug* i don't think i'm gonna stop using them
ending something with "ya prick" is just a great way to punctuate something
...Now that I think of it, I hope that turn of phase doesn't have a racist connotation to it.
Avoid any potential racist connotation to this line by being so overly pedantic that calling a spade a spade means it's not a shovel they look nothing alike
I'm basically Ross in every scene where he gets yelled at for insisting on a needless clarification. I've gotten a lot better about pointing it out, but it's still there.
The use has gained such a specific cultural flavor that it takes a distinct cognitive act to bridge the word back to its original meaning, for me at least. You say douche and I think of a very specific type of man, almost always a cishet one, and then several thoughts later recall that it's the name of a vaginal hygiene product. So, like most male-gendered terms, the weight of the actual insult is in suggesting an unflattering relationship to femininity, making it an even greater backhanded slur against women.
Yeah, that's a tricky one. Based on the linguistic knot tying itself in my head, I think I'm going to make an effort to prune it from my vocabulary just to be safe.
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...Now that I think of it, I hope that turn of phase doesn't have a racist connotation to it.
Avoid any potential racist connotation to this line by being so overly pedantic that calling a spade a spade means it's not a shovel they look nothing alike
I'm basically Ross in every scene where he gets yelled at for insisting on a needless clarification. I've gotten a lot better about pointing it out, but it's still there.
*cough* It actually is racist in origins, it's a loop around from the spades in cards to a negative connotation for a black person which has gone out of style.
Humor can be dissected as a frog can, but dies in the process.
...Now that I think of it, I hope that turn of phase doesn't have a racist connotation to it.
Avoid any potential racist connotation to this line by being so overly pedantic that calling a spade a spade means it's not a shovel they look nothing alike
I'm basically Ross in every scene where he gets yelled at for insisting on a needless clarification. I've gotten a lot better about pointing it out, but it's still there.
*cough* It actually is racist in origins, it's a loop around from the spades in cards to a negative connotation for a black person which has gone out of style.
Its ultimate source is a phrase in classical Greek. Plutarch's Apophthegmata Laconica (178B) has την σκαφην σκαφην λεγοντας (ten skafen skafen legontas). σκαφη (skafe) means "basin, trough", but Erasmus mis-translated it (as if from σπάθη spáthe) as ligo "shovel" in his Apophthegmatum opus. Lucian De Hist. Conscr. (41) has τα συκα συκα, την σκαφην δε σκαφην ονομασων (ta suka suka, ten skafen de skafen onomason) "calling a fig a fig, and a trough a trough". Though it is speculated that this may have been a dramatic choice rather than a mis-translation.[2]
The phrase was introduced to English in 1542 in Nicolas Udall's translation of Erasmus, Apophthegmes, that is to saie, prompte saiynges. First gathered by Erasmus:[3]
Philippus aunswered, that the Macedonians wer feloes of no fyne witte in their termes but altogether grosse, clubbyshe, and rusticall, as they whiche had not the witte to calle a spade by any other name then a spade.
It is evident that the word spade refers to the instrument used to move earth, a very common tool. The same word was used in England, Denmark, and in the Netherlands, Erasmus' country of origin.
Sometimes I feel like all language is a minefield, that the urge to bridge subjective consciousnesses with an objective framework is an absurd paradox, that the only way to be certain of avoiding miscommunication is to simply not communicate, and that all other humans must by necessity remain inscrutable mysteries. And then I usually check a clock and see that I'm overdue to take my anxiety meds.
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I've never been comfortable with using gendered insults when the intended result is to tell a guy he is being weak by referring to him as a woman (like calling a dude a "bitch") or the telling a woman she's being uncouth and manly because she's being confrontational or aggressive.
I don't really have a huge issue suggesting that somebody is a jerk by saying they're an asshole, which I like to think is a solid all-around insult. I mind a little bit about calling women "bitches"...probably because I'm so used to hearing "that woman is a bitch" and it seems sooo sexist, and I can't exactly put my finger on WHY it seems sexist? Calling a dude an asshole doesn't seem sexist, even though it seems to be used more for men.
99.9% of my insults are muttered against other motorists for being awful, so "on the fly" generic insults are my go-to.
AssWagon
ShitTrumpet
Moronic Fucklord
something-something about a rocket
I've replaced some of my more pointed gendered insults with "shithead" "piece of shit/garbage" and "fucking asshole" with extra pop on the Ks and Ts. It's just as satisfying without the institutionalized misogyny.
It's like the vegetarian buffalo bean dip of swearing.
I keep waffling on the thought of going to my program manager at work and talking to her about more non-conforming presentation like dresses/skirts/makeup.
She actually brought up my nail polish when I first started and said if anyone gives me trouble about it to let her know, but I feel like changing my clothing habits is a whole different ballgame and I actually like this job and don't want to do anything to compromise it :?
I keep waffling on the thought of going to my program manager at work and talking to her about more non-conforming presentation like dresses/skirts/makeup.
She actually brought up my nail polish when I first started and said if anyone gives me trouble about it to let her know, but I feel like changing my clothing habits is a whole different ballgame and I actually like this job and don't want to do anything to compromise it :?
This sucks
Before I got a real job I used to dye my hair blue. Gave it up because its not really socially acceptable in an office but, yknow, I was willing to do that to get a job.
But when its who you are; you shouldn't have to pretend so that you get to keep a job. That sucks and its terrible and I'm sorry.
...Now that I think of it, I hope that turn of phase doesn't have a racist connotation to it.
Avoid any potential racist connotation to this line by being so overly pedantic that calling a spade a spade means it's not a shovel they look nothing alike
I'm basically Ross in every scene where he gets yelled at for insisting on a needless clarification. I've gotten a lot better about pointing it out, but it's still there.
*cough* It actually is racist in origins, it's a loop around from the spades in cards to a negative connotation for a black person which has gone out of style.
No it isnt
I'm gonna file this under "not racist in the same way the word 'niggardly' is"
...Now that I think of it, I hope that turn of phase doesn't have a racist connotation to it.
Avoid any potential racist connotation to this line by being so overly pedantic that calling a spade a spade means it's not a shovel they look nothing alike
I'm basically Ross in every scene where he gets yelled at for insisting on a needless clarification. I've gotten a lot better about pointing it out, but it's still there.
*cough* It actually is racist in origins, it's a loop around from the spades in cards to a negative connotation for a black person which has gone out of style.
No it isnt
I'm gonna file this under "not racist in the same way the word 'niggardly' is"
I mean
Niggardly sounds like one of the most hurtful words in the English language
I've literally never heard that phrase used in a racist way
Saying it might be because the spades on cards are black seems like a pretty big stretch when that is explicitly not where the phrase came from
...Now that I think of it, I hope that turn of phase doesn't have a racist connotation to it.
Avoid any potential racist connotation to this line by being so overly pedantic that calling a spade a spade means it's not a shovel they look nothing alike
I'm basically Ross in every scene where he gets yelled at for insisting on a needless clarification. I've gotten a lot better about pointing it out, but it's still there.
*cough* It actually is racist in origins, it's a loop around from the spades in cards to a negative connotation for a black person which has gone out of style.
No it isnt
I'm gonna file this under "not racist in the same way the word 'niggardly' is"
I mean
Niggardly sounds like one of the most hurtful words in the English language
I've literally never heard that phrase used in a racist way
Saying it might be because the spades on cards are black seems like a pretty big stretch when that is explicitly not where the phrase came from
I saw the word spade used to mean black people in a stephen king book once
also urban dictionary has that as definition one
for whatever those little anecdotes are worth
I mean I wouldn't put it on the same likely-to-be-taken-poorly tier as niggardly but it is still a thing
It's a word used by jackanapes who think they're cleverly getting around social mores against slurs. It's like saying "retard" as a verb because the word can mean "to slow down."
...Now that I think of it, I hope that turn of phase doesn't have a racist connotation to it.
Avoid any potential racist connotation to this line by being so overly pedantic that calling a spade a spade means it's not a shovel they look nothing alike
I'm basically Ross in every scene where he gets yelled at for insisting on a needless clarification. I've gotten a lot better about pointing it out, but it's still there.
*cough* It actually is racist in origins, it's a loop around from the spades in cards to a negative connotation for a black person which has gone out of style.
No it isnt
I'm gonna file this under "not racist in the same way the word 'niggardly' is"
I mean
Niggardly sounds like one of the most hurtful words in the English language
I've literally never heard that phrase used in a racist way
Saying it might be because the spades on cards are black seems like a pretty big stretch when that is explicitly not where the phrase came from
Point being, it's not racist but I'm still going to avoid using the phrase because it sounds like it is.
And yeah, spade was a derogatory slang term for a black person for a long time, so...Yeah.
This morning while lying in bed with my fiance she brought up that whole uncle at the movie theatre dressed like a princess with his niece photo, and asked me if I'd do that.
Naturally I said I'd be cool with it, and then she asked if I'd also wear a wig, makeup, and go the whole 9 yards.
I should probably take initiative to make this happen, it would be a ton of fun.
Also, I've been thinking a whole bunch after my last long post in a prior thread and holy crap I should really be more active in exploring my gender fluidity because I don't have any dysphoria but every time I see a well-dressed woman there's that twinge of 'I want to be that,' so it would be productive to pursue, I think.
Edit notes:
Just realized saying crazy dysphoria was super rude and easily taken in a way I didn't intend. I meant crazy as in I don't experience strong feelings of dysphoria.
Requiring dysphoria is very dangerous because people have a hell of time explaining the feeling, and dysphoria can be quite different between two people, which means a person with dysphoria can blame the feeling on something else and not get the care they need. It also insinuates that the only time you should transition or explore your gender identity is if it's a literal life-or-death situation, and that you just need to suck it up if being uncomfortable with your assigned gender just makes you miserable as opposed to suicidal. It's like denying someone antibiotics because the disease won't kill them.
i really wish it was just as socially acceptable for men to wear pretty pretty dresses and killer makeup the way that women are allowed to wear sexy sexy suits and other menswear
It follows that women can be douches, but not nearly as often as men.
I had always heard that 'products for feminine hygiene' had multiple uses in multiple situations, just not every day.
Please to be educating me because I require The Knowledge.
douches and other 'feminine hygeine' products like fancy vagina soaps can usually just fuck up the pH entirely and cause even worse problems down the road
when I was in high school a friend of mine used to sing 'the never-ending douchebag' to the tune of the never-ending story any time any one brought up whether or not they should douche - you do it once, it messes up the balance and things smell a little wonky, you do it again to fix the wonky caused by the first one, you can never stop because you keep fucking up what your body wants to do. it can actually make you more susceptible to infections, pregnancy, all kinds of things. vaginas clean themselves out really pretty well and when you intentionally go in and disrupt that you're ruining the whole natural process that has been developed over a frabillion years to take care of itself
if you have a smelly vagina or a lot of discharge you DEFINITELY shouldn't douche because it's your vagina's way of being like "yo dog something is wrong in here", you should go see a doctor
basically: don't douche, like, ever
also don't use talc on your genitals if you have ovaries cause talc has been tied to an increased risk of ovarian cancer - use cornstarch instead
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Yes.
Unfortunately, many nouns have a gendered subtext to them. When you get into languages other than English, it gets more pronounced. German is a current example where a phallic object is almost always referred to as masculine, such as 'the pen' is 'der Kuli' where the masculine is 'der.' 'Das Fenster' is 'the window' where the 'das' is neutral gendered. 'Die' (dee) is the feminine gender ascribed to many, many objects that have neither phallic or vaginal imagery, but much of modern German in the 21st century is starting to switch to 'das' as a neutral gender for any inanimate object.
Of course, this is regional and subject to scrutiny, but a lot of younger Germans are embracing the spirit of change.
Your mom?
So the stereotypical 80's teen movie villain basically .
I always loved the mental image of a cute little monkey armed with nothing but a flashlight being more capable than somebody but I have become less and less able to reasonably think it isn't just super racist
"call a spade a spade" is from classic greek literature and has no racist roots
I dunno about that second one
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Random Question: Who makes these dishes? I have to know!
My Smartass Answer: It's a cadre of highly-skilled Chinese monkeys. They each spend a year learning how to pronounce the Buddhist 'OHM' before they ever touch their tools.
Dumbass Statement: Ha-ha, very funny. Seriously, who makes the dishes?
Infuriated Answer: I tend bar and serve food; I don't know and don't care if they were made by a local dishmonger or The Grand Sultan of Dishmaking Sorcery. None of that matters to my two-dollars and thirteen cents an hour.
Pompous Statement: You must want to get fired because I know people!
Smartass Response: You're sitting at a table with Billy Gibson and Billy loves me. I'm not getting fired; you're getting dumped by The Prince of Houston.
...
Yes, Billy Gibson of ZZTop was a regular so suck it.
i guess prick and dick are kinda gendered but *shrug* i don't think i'm gonna stop using them
ending something with "ya prick" is just a great way to punctuate something
i find it ridiculous
Avoid any potential racist connotation to this line by being so overly pedantic that calling a spade a spade means it's not a shovel they look nothing alike
I'm basically Ross in every scene where he gets yelled at for insisting on a needless clarification. I've gotten a lot better about pointing it out, but it's still there.
The use has gained such a specific cultural flavor that it takes a distinct cognitive act to bridge the word back to its original meaning, for me at least. You say douche and I think of a very specific type of man, almost always a cishet one, and then several thoughts later recall that it's the name of a vaginal hygiene product. So, like most male-gendered terms, the weight of the actual insult is in suggesting an unflattering relationship to femininity, making it an even greater backhanded slur against women.
Yeah, that's a tricky one. Based on the linguistic knot tying itself in my head, I think I'm going to make an effort to prune it from my vocabulary just to be safe.
*cough* It actually is racist in origins, it's a loop around from the spades in cards to a negative connotation for a black person which has gone out of style.
No it isnt
it has a wiki entry and everything!
edit: guess chinchillas are faster than echidnas
I don't really have a huge issue suggesting that somebody is a jerk by saying they're an asshole, which I like to think is a solid all-around insult. I mind a little bit about calling women "bitches"...probably because I'm so used to hearing "that woman is a bitch" and it seems sooo sexist, and I can't exactly put my finger on WHY it seems sexist? Calling a dude an asshole doesn't seem sexist, even though it seems to be used more for men.
99.9% of my insults are muttered against other motorists for being awful, so "on the fly" generic insults are my go-to.
AssWagon
ShitTrumpet
Moronic Fucklord
something-something about a rocket
etc.
and of course I'm reminded of the long, drawn out conversations had regarding copromancy.
IT IS KNOWN
It's like the vegetarian buffalo bean dip of swearing.
She actually brought up my nail polish when I first started and said if anyone gives me trouble about it to let her know, but I feel like changing my clothing habits is a whole different ballgame and I actually like this job and don't want to do anything to compromise it :?
A list of things, should you be of the gifting persuasion
This sucks
Before I got a real job I used to dye my hair blue. Gave it up because its not really socially acceptable in an office but, yknow, I was willing to do that to get a job.
But when its who you are; you shouldn't have to pretend so that you get to keep a job. That sucks and its terrible and I'm sorry.
I'm gonna file this under "not racist in the same way the word 'niggardly' is"
I mean
Niggardly sounds like one of the most hurtful words in the English language
I've literally never heard that phrase used in a racist way
Saying it might be because the spades on cards are black seems like a pretty big stretch when that is explicitly not where the phrase came from
I saw the word spade used to mean black people in a stephen king book once
also urban dictionary has that as definition one
for whatever those little anecdotes are worth
I mean I wouldn't put it on the same likely-to-be-taken-poorly tier as niggardly but it is still a thing
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Like, not even kidding. Straight up word-swapped with the n-bomb like it's nothing.
People will always find a way to be racist. Hate, like life, finds a way.
Point being, it's not racist but I'm still going to avoid using the phrase because it sounds like it is.
And yeah, spade was a derogatory slang term for a black person for a long time, so...Yeah.
Naturally I said I'd be cool with it, and then she asked if I'd also wear a wig, makeup, and go the whole 9 yards.
I should probably take initiative to make this happen, it would be a ton of fun.
Also, I've been thinking a whole bunch after my last long post in a prior thread and holy crap I should really be more active in exploring my gender fluidity because I don't have any dysphoria but every time I see a well-dressed woman there's that twinge of 'I want to be that,' so it would be productive to pursue, I think.
Edit notes:
I'm really sorry if I offended anyone.
There's a perfect comic for this someone posted in the webcomic thread many moons ago, but damned if I could find it now.
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douches and other 'feminine hygeine' products like fancy vagina soaps can usually just fuck up the pH entirely and cause even worse problems down the road
when I was in high school a friend of mine used to sing 'the never-ending douchebag' to the tune of the never-ending story any time any one brought up whether or not they should douche - you do it once, it messes up the balance and things smell a little wonky, you do it again to fix the wonky caused by the first one, you can never stop because you keep fucking up what your body wants to do. it can actually make you more susceptible to infections, pregnancy, all kinds of things. vaginas clean themselves out really pretty well and when you intentionally go in and disrupt that you're ruining the whole natural process that has been developed over a frabillion years to take care of itself
if you have a smelly vagina or a lot of discharge you DEFINITELY shouldn't douche because it's your vagina's way of being like "yo dog something is wrong in here", you should go see a doctor
basically: don't douche, like, ever
also don't use talc on your genitals if you have ovaries cause talc has been tied to an increased risk of ovarian cancer - use cornstarch instead