The Tooth Fairy just said Will Graham isn't very handsome and it may be the most evil thing he's done yet
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edited August 2015
In the deeeeep dark hills of eastern Kentucky
That's the place where I trace my bloodliiiiiiiine
And it's there that I read on an hillside gravestone
That you'll never leave Harlan aliiiive... https://youtu.be/cco-pCb0klU
Hugh Dancy with EW highlights:
Going off the cliff was Will realizing not only had what Hannibal said would happen all along happened at last, but that it was just as amazing as Hannibal said it was
The last scene he and Mads filmed together ended with him gesturing to the orderly who then put the iconic mask on straightjacketed Hannibal
His fav scene of the show was the season 2 finale kitchen scene
He compared the cliff ending with Sherlock/Moriarty, and said ultimately nothing can kill Sherlock because he's more myth than mortal, and said Hannibal's become that way, so if this is the end and there's nothing left, he hopes they both live and are chilling together brostyle on a beach drinking something from a coconut or skull
Bryan Fuller with HitFix highlights:
About halfway through the season is when he came up with the ending. Another case of ending a season like it's a series finale with it being able to pick right back up if it's not. Wanted to be sure they had an ending if it was the end, and able to continue it if it wasn't. Already ideas (or at least an idea) of how to continue it if season 4 or a feature happens. "In my mind the most interesting chapter of Will Graham's story has yet to be told"
Once the decision of cancellation was made, he was at peace with it, Admitted they had a lot of privilege just being able to make it this far with their ratings. Acknowledged NBC bent over backwards to help it last as long as it did
De Laurentiis looking at a feature film. Also says a miniseries could work considering how drastic of a restart where they wanted to go from here was, would love a feature film though as a full circle type thing (Hannibal started on the big screen, end Fuller's version of it on the big screen too)
Admits the odds of a feature aren't in his favor, but says now it's on the audience. Ff they're able to do it, but the audience response seems mostly like "this is an ending we love", they won't go further; if they want it continued he'll try his best
There were takes done of Will/Hannibal making out during the embrace, he decided that wasn't authentic to who they were and didn't put it in the last cut
End with bedelia was a nod that perhaps hannibal lived, hence why Bedelia has the fork close to her hidden under the table: whatever and whoever comes, she's ready. He loved the interpretation some had that she was serving it as a gift/peace offering though (That's where the end of Siouxsie's song came from: "I will survive" was meant for Bedelia. you have my leg, but i have my fork, and if i'm going down i'm swinging)
S&P didn't give him too hard a time over the lip biting scene, just asked him to cut it twice
Acknowledges Alana had the only really happy ending in that she got the fuck out of dodge with her family when able and that they're going to be bodyguarded. also acknowledges "we're gonna do something horrible to [Chilton's actor] Raul Esparza every season and the hope is you really dig it", compared how he treats Chilton to how South Park treats Kenny
Caroline came up with kaleidoscope lesbian sex scene
"What can you do to a body to twist it and break it in such a manner that it resembles a smaller piece of the body?" then they came up with the heart which became the tarot card of heart with 3 swords WHICH THEN BECAME FRANKENSTAG *RUPAUL PLAYS*
Only thing he wishes he could have done was show where Hannibal/Will go from here being murder husbands who live
In his opinion Mads was the best hannibal (though not the most commercial)
In the deeeeep dark hills of eastern Kentucky
That's the place where I trace my bloodliiiiiiiine
And it's there that I read on an hillside gravestone
That you'll never leave Harlan aliiiive... https://youtu.be/cco-pCb0klU
Farewell, Justified.
Justified finale
I love that that song plays one last time as Raylan is leaving Harlan, and in a great meta-moment he shoots dead the last real antagonist he had left, essentially flipping the bird at fate.
In the deeeeep dark hills of eastern Kentucky
That's the place where I trace my bloodliiiiiiiine
And it's there that I read on an hillside gravestone
That you'll never leave Harlan aliiiive... https://youtu.be/cco-pCb0klU
Farewell, Justified.
Justified finale
I love that that song plays one last time as Raylan is leaving Harlan, and in a great meta-moment he shoots dead the last real antagonist he had left, essentially flipping the bird at fate.
I was so scared in that moment. Like you said, the song's playing as he's driving away and then that chucklefuck shows up, and the whole time I'm thinking, "They wouldn't... would they?"
Hannibal The Wrath of the Lamb
I guess Isaac makes a cameo?
What. What. That shotgun bit is amazing. Just, what. That took guts. I was going to say "oh, that's the shotgun" when I first saw the shotgun but the show then said, "oh you thought it was that shotgun? You're sadly mistaken."
Go on, say it, "you saved people's lives." Yesss. I just love that bit.
"suicide" "then he wasn't as strong as the Dragon after all" That is a nice picture of how Hannibal sees things. I think Will touching the window is the first time someone has touched the window at all. Hannibal's losing, which means he is going to do something dramatic.
Oh ho ho! Wonderful! So we saw the 'death' of Dollarhyde through Reba's "eyes".
This conversation between Jack and Will is so good, and all of Will's manipulations.
I'm still wondering what is up with Bedelia.
Everyone's telling everyone that they're going to use Hannibal as bait. Word's going to get out, and not in a good way.
"I believe that's what they call, 'a mike drop'" lol Hannibal's clutching at straws, but so is Will.
Dis is cool. Pew pew pew. (thinking about it, how the fuck is Dollarhyde that good of a shot? But whatever, so cool!)
Miriam isn't dead. So Will's got that going for him.
Very bromancy, what with the wining and dining.
I guess that was the window breaking reference. Nicely done.
Eww. gross. double gross! Triple gross! How many times can a knife be pulled out and stabbed into someone else who then pulls it out and stabs it into someone else.
Awesome fight!
Noice!
I dunno, I could be pretty happy with the series continuing. If that was the last shot of a long series, then it'd be great, but there's plenty left unsaid. But it's probably better to finish there.
No idea what was going on with Bedelia. I guess she really loved Hannibal and prepared a long pig meal in the hopes that he'd show up? And his absence means that she is pondering suicide? Dunno.
I don't get how Will attacking Dollarhyde was any more of a turn than Will doing his other killings. I guess it's his 2nd direct kill, but I'd count all the others where he manipulates people into being hurt or hurting others as his kills too. The difference is that he's doing it with Hannibal, although I feel like they have collaborated before? Obviously not as directly.
I would totally have bought Will and Hannibal making out as authentic. But, it might have been a little over the top, they were all but making out as is, so it would have felt a little too blunt to actually have it happen. Maybe.
Ohh, she cut off her own leg and served it as a peace offering. And the fork is for defence.
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In the deeeeep dark hills of eastern Kentucky
That's the place where I trace my bloodliiiiiiiine
And it's there that I read on an hillside gravestone
That you'll never leave Harlan aliiiive... https://youtu.be/cco-pCb0klU
Farewell, Justified.
Justified finale
I love that that song plays one last time as Raylan is leaving Harlan, and in a great meta-moment he shoots dead the last real antagonist he had left, essentially flipping the bird at fate.
I was so scared in that moment. Like you said, the song's playing as he's driving away and then that chucklefuck shows up, and the whole time I'm thinking, "They wouldn't... would they?"
I was in a mixture of awe (as it was a well-shot scene) and concern, it helped that my blu-ray player doesn't have a run-time display.
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Catching up with Hannibal because I fell behind on the last few episodes
Ohh, she cut off her own leg and served it as a peace offering. And the fork is for defence.
Nah, he said he liked the interpretation that she cut off her own leg and served it as a peace offering. His ending was "season 4's happening, they both lived, they've got Bedelia, and when they come back to eat the dinner they've prepared she's ready to go down swinging". Which I like because it goes with everything else they've said (storyline-wise they've had their fill of her, Will's become like Hannibal, and Bedelia's a fighter to the end; reality-wise they didn't find out they were cancelled till after everything was filmed, nothing was added, they had an idea in mind for if the show ended and if it continued like they do every year)
Wait, they filmed that ending not knowing that they were cancelled?
In the Fuller interview I posted, and another he did elsewhere, he mentioned everything was filmed. He didn't assume they were definitely getting picked up, and wanted to end it providing a satisfying ending if it wasn't picked up, but the cancellation news didn't come until months later (a month into the season airing). Nothing was changed or re-filmed post-cancellation news, and nothing could have been considering everybody was accepting offers by then, and Gillian was filming X-Files at the time. Midway through doing the season he came up with this as an ending.
Also here's tweets from a writer and Fuller about the ending
Note that I have not watched a single episode and have only seen the movies
Dolarhyde fights Hannibal and Will, they team up and kill him, Will remarks that Hannibal was right (throughout the show he wanted Will to become a killer like him and that he would like it), they embrace and go off the cliffs together. Cut to Gillian Anderson sitting at a table that has seats waiting for both of them, with her cut off leg served as dinner (strongly implied not by her), and clutching a fork close to her ready to attack at least one
I am really, really surprised that they didn't know about the cancellation before the filming was already done. The season felt condensed, especially the first half, like they wanted to get these two story strands in without being able to let them breathe quite as much as they probably should.
e: ah, nevermind. "We never knew we were coming back. At the beginning of season 3, NBC was talking to me about new development, and that was a pretty big indicator to me that they weren't planning on picking up a season 4"
The season felt condensed because Fuller originally wanted to do the whole season in Europe (not just the first half)
The last episode was even moreso because they couldn't afford to do all they wanted and Armitage needed to film a movie so they didn't have time to do all they wanted either
Bojack is definitely growing on me the more I watch it. It reminds me a lot of Daria for some reason. If it wasn't for this thread I probably would have dropped it in the first 2-3 episodes too.
Its because Diane is like an adult Daria. She even dresses similarly
The gems trying to teach Steven how to fusion dance is adorable
OH MY GOODNESS NOPE, CONNIE AND STEVEN DANCING IS ADORABLE
that episode goes to some places, man
Yeah uh
Damn
That shit got real and way more adult than I was expecting
Also really really neat that
They have Connie and Steven fuse into a nonbinary character whom everybody is way into even if that is kinda weird cause they're kids but no one knew that so whatever
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Slow.
Super slow.
Molasses slow.
That's the place where I trace my bloodliiiiiiiine
And it's there that I read on an hillside gravestone
That you'll never leave Harlan aliiiive...
Farewell, Justified.
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Hugh Dancy with EW highlights:
Going off the cliff was Will realizing not only had what Hannibal said would happen all along happened at last, but that it was just as amazing as Hannibal said it was
The last scene he and Mads filmed together ended with him gesturing to the orderly who then put the iconic mask on straightjacketed Hannibal
His fav scene of the show was the season 2 finale kitchen scene
He compared the cliff ending with Sherlock/Moriarty, and said ultimately nothing can kill Sherlock because he's more myth than mortal, and said Hannibal's become that way, so if this is the end and there's nothing left, he hopes they both live and are chilling together brostyle on a beach drinking something from a coconut or skull
http://www.hitfix.com/whats-alan-watching/hannibal-creator-i-wanted-to-be-sure-we-had-an-ending-for-the-story/single-page
Bryan Fuller with HitFix highlights:
About halfway through the season is when he came up with the ending. Another case of ending a season like it's a series finale with it being able to pick right back up if it's not. Wanted to be sure they had an ending if it was the end, and able to continue it if it wasn't. Already ideas (or at least an idea) of how to continue it if season 4 or a feature happens. "In my mind the most interesting chapter of Will Graham's story has yet to be told"
Once the decision of cancellation was made, he was at peace with it, Admitted they had a lot of privilege just being able to make it this far with their ratings. Acknowledged NBC bent over backwards to help it last as long as it did
De Laurentiis looking at a feature film. Also says a miniseries could work considering how drastic of a restart where they wanted to go from here was, would love a feature film though as a full circle type thing (Hannibal started on the big screen, end Fuller's version of it on the big screen too)
Admits the odds of a feature aren't in his favor, but says now it's on the audience. Ff they're able to do it, but the audience response seems mostly like "this is an ending we love", they won't go further; if they want it continued he'll try his best
There were takes done of Will/Hannibal making out during the embrace, he decided that wasn't authentic to who they were and didn't put it in the last cut
End with bedelia was a nod that perhaps hannibal lived, hence why Bedelia has the fork close to her hidden under the table: whatever and whoever comes, she's ready. He loved the interpretation some had that she was serving it as a gift/peace offering though (That's where the end of Siouxsie's song came from: "I will survive" was meant for Bedelia. you have my leg, but i have my fork, and if i'm going down i'm swinging)
S&P didn't give him too hard a time over the lip biting scene, just asked him to cut it twice
Acknowledges Alana had the only really happy ending in that she got the fuck out of dodge with her family when able and that they're going to be bodyguarded. also acknowledges "we're gonna do something horrible to [Chilton's actor] Raul Esparza every season and the hope is you really dig it", compared how he treats Chilton to how South Park treats Kenny
Caroline came up with kaleidoscope lesbian sex scene
"What can you do to a body to twist it and break it in such a manner that it resembles a smaller piece of the body?" then they came up with the heart which became the tarot card of heart with 3 swords WHICH THEN BECAME FRANKENSTAG *RUPAUL PLAYS*
Only thing he wishes he could have done was show where Hannibal/Will go from here being murder husbands who live
In his opinion Mads was the best hannibal (though not the most commercial)
Steam
that whole show basically dares you to care about it
I don't want Hannibal to come back in any form now
That ended perfectly
Justified finale
I guess Isaac makes a cameo?
Go on, say it, "you saved people's lives." Yesss. I just love that bit.
"suicide" "then he wasn't as strong as the Dragon after all" That is a nice picture of how Hannibal sees things. I think Will touching the window is the first time someone has touched the window at all. Hannibal's losing, which means he is going to do something dramatic.
Oh ho ho! Wonderful! So we saw the 'death' of Dollarhyde through Reba's "eyes".
This conversation between Jack and Will is so good, and all of Will's manipulations.
I'm still wondering what is up with Bedelia.
Everyone's telling everyone that they're going to use Hannibal as bait. Word's going to get out, and not in a good way.
"I believe that's what they call, 'a mike drop'" lol Hannibal's clutching at straws, but so is Will.
Dis is cool. Pew pew pew. (thinking about it, how the fuck is Dollarhyde that good of a shot? But whatever, so cool!)
Miriam isn't dead. So Will's got that going for him.
Very bromancy, what with the wining and dining.
I guess that was the window breaking reference. Nicely done.
Eww. gross. double gross! Triple gross! How many times can a knife be pulled out and stabbed into someone else who then pulls it out and stabs it into someone else.
Awesome fight!
Noice!
I dunno, I could be pretty happy with the series continuing. If that was the last shot of a long series, then it'd be great, but there's plenty left unsaid. But it's probably better to finish there.
No idea what was going on with Bedelia. I guess she really loved Hannibal and prepared a long pig meal in the hopes that he'd show up? And his absence means that she is pondering suicide? Dunno.
I would totally have bought Will and Hannibal making out as authentic. But, it might have been a little over the top, they were all but making out as is, so it would have felt a little too blunt to actually have it happen. Maybe.
Ohh, she cut off her own leg and served it as a peace offering. And the fork is for defence.
Ep 12 (minor) spoilers
Steam
That is really excellent. I am definitely going to watch more of this.
Holy SHIT that was funny
It hurts me so much that Let's Be Cops turned out bad.
Steam
Also here's tweets from a writer and Fuller about the ending
("her host")
Steam
Note that I have not watched a single episode and have only seen the movies
Steam
Aaaand wow, Diane's got some issues. Looking forward to this.
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There is something incredibly funny about the contrast between between the characters cynical worldviews and the constant silly animal jokes.
"....Yeaaaaah, you did that."
e: ah, nevermind. "We never knew we were coming back. At the beginning of season 3, NBC was talking to me about new development, and that was a pretty big indicator to me that they weren't planning on picking up a season 4"
The last episode was even moreso because they couldn't afford to do all they wanted and Armitage needed to film a movie so they didn't have time to do all they wanted either
Steam
Yes it is. Ice Bear for best bear
Its because Diane is like an adult Daria. She even dresses similarly
Wait it did? I thought it was ok. Not amazing, but funny enough.
Rick Potion #9 sure was an episode of television
I'm getting the impression that Charlyne Yi is really really below the standard of acting usual to the series
The gems trying to teach Steven how to fusion dance is adorable
OH MY GOODNESS NOPE, CONNIE AND STEVEN DANCING IS ADORABLE
that episode goes to some places, man
Damn
That shit got real and way more adult than I was expecting
Also really really neat that