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    WACriminalWACriminal Dying Is Easy, Young Man Living Is HarderRegistered User regular
    KetBra wrote: »
    I've been reading the Chernow biography.

    I love how he keeps alluding to Burr throughout.

    Some of the coincidences are crazy as hell, though. Hamilton being duped by Benedict Arnold's wife, who ends up later marrying Aaron Burr? (This is the Theodosia from the musical)

    Holy shit.

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    TheySlashThemTheySlashThem Registered User regular
    hamilton and burr's lives were intertwined to the point that, if their story were fiction, it would be universally shit on for being overly contrived

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    BlankZoeBlankZoe Registered User regular
    The Judge wrote: »
    I hate Sweeney Todd and this is incredible

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    KetBraKetBra Dressed Ridiculously Registered User regular
    WACriminal wrote: »
    KetBra wrote: »
    I've been reading the Chernow biography.

    I love how he keeps alluding to Burr throughout.

    Some of the coincidences are crazy as hell, though. Hamilton being duped by Benedict Arnold's wife, who ends up later marrying Aaron Burr? (This is the Theodosia from the musical)

    Holy shit.

    Oh wait ok, Benedict Arnold's wife visits Aaron Burr's future wife immediately after duping Hamilton to dish on the story of how she did it

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    VivixenneVivixenne Remember your training, and we'll get through this just fine. Registered User regular
    I wonder if it's because the world was smaller back then

    like, Philip really died exactly where his father would later on

    oh also, one of the spies involved in the Battle of Yorktown lead-up was a black spy named James Armistead Lafayette, who spied on Benedict Arnold and after the war he wasn't granted his freedom because he was a spy, not a soldier

    so then Marquis de Lafayette, who was his commander during the war, sends a letter or something that fully supports Armistead's bid for emancipation and when it's granted, Armistead takes Lafayette's name

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    KetBraKetBra Dressed Ridiculously Registered User regular
    edited April 2016
    Vivixenne wrote: »
    I wonder if it's because the world was smaller back then

    like, Philip really died exactly where his father would later on

    oh also, one of the spies involved in the Battle of Yorktown lead-up was a black spy named James Armistead Lafayette, who spied on Benedict Arnold and after the war he wasn't granted his freedom because he was a spy, not a soldier

    so then Marquis de Lafayette, who was his commander during the war, sends a letter or something that fully supports Armistead's bid for emancipation and when it's granted, Armistead takes Lafayette's name

    That's probably partially it, but largely I think it's just because they were both in the same social class in the same place at the same time.

    Still, Hamilton seems to have had a knack for being around history. He was dining with Benedict Arnold when he got news that his British courier had been captured, and just ran off, knowing he'd soon be found out. Hamilton was just like "WTF?" and it wasn't until later that Washington figured out what happened.

    Also, if you haven't read the book, you should, it's real good. Here's Lin-Manuel Miranda reading the beginning of the book. It's... emotional.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TKjE6zYk27I

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    Blake TBlake T Do you have enemies then? Good. That means you’ve stood up for something, sometime in your life.Registered User regular
    I just found this trawling ham4ham videos.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LPFDlLgSLfo

    daaaaaaamn

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    UnbrokenEvaUnbrokenEva HIGH ON THE WIRE BUT I WON'T TRIP ITRegistered User regular
    Vivixenne wrote: »
    I wonder if it's because the world was smaller back then

    like, Philip really died exactly where his father would later on

    oh also, one of the spies involved in the Battle of Yorktown lead-up was a black spy named James Armistead Lafayette, who spied on Benedict Arnold and after the war he wasn't granted his freedom because he was a spy, not a soldier

    so then Marquis de Lafayette, who was his commander during the war, sends a letter or something that fully supports Armistead's bid for emancipation and when it's granted, Armistead takes Lafayette's name

    I don't know, I think the world was wide enough even then

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    Hahnsoo1Hahnsoo1 Make Ready. We Hunt.Registered User regular
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    The Judge wrote: »
    I hate Sweeney Todd and this is incredible
    My sig other also hates Sweeney Todd, but she thought this was Amazeballs.

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    KetBraKetBra Dressed Ridiculously Registered User regular
    Wow, apparently the British infected blacks with smallpox and sent them at the American lines in an attempt to break the siege of Yorktown.

    That's so fucked up

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    Mr. GMr. G Registered User regular
    edited May 2016
    Hamilton has been nominated for a record-breaking 16 Tony awards

    Full list of nominations
    - Best Musical
    - Best Book of a Musical
    - Best Original Score Written for the Theatre
    - Best Performance by an Actor in a Leading Role in a Musical, Lin-Manuel Miranda
    - Best Performance by an Actor in a Leading Role in a Musical, Leslie Odom, Jr.
    - Best Performance by an Actress in a Leading Role in a Musical, Phillipa Soo
    - Best Performance by an Actor in a Featured Role in a Musical, Daveed Diggs
    - Best Performance by an Actor in a Featured Role in a Musical, Jonathan Groff
    - Best Performance by an Actor in a Featured Role in a Musical, Christopher Jackson
    - Best Performance by an Actress in a Featured Role in a Musical, Renee Elise Goldsberry
    - Best Scenic Design of a Musical, David Korins
    - Best Costume Design of a Musical, Paul Tazewell
    - Best Lighting Design of a Musical, Howard Binkley
    - Best Direction of a Musical, Thomas Kail
    - Best Choreography, Andy Blankenbuehler
    - Best Orchestrations, Alex Lacamoire

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    rhylithrhylith Death Rabbits HoustonRegistered User regular
    Ok now who gets the acting awards?

    Phillips Soo and Renee Elise Goldsberry are givens.

    Miranda's gonna win everything else so do they give it to Leslie Odom Jr?

    Christopher Jackson and Daveed Diggs is a tough, tough choice. (Sorry Groff)

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    BlankZoeBlankZoe Registered User regular
    Daveed Diggs takes that easy for me

    Jackson is amazing but Daveed is downright otherworldly

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    WeX MajorsWeX Majors 8th Floor, MegashipRegistered User regular
    After reading through the Hamiltome, I've come away with a far greater respect for Jackson.
    There is no way they'll bypass the opportunity to give a Black George Washington a Tony. No way.

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    Blake TBlake T Do you have enemies then? Good. That means you’ve stood up for something, sometime in your life.Registered User regular
    And he makes two distinctly unique roles his own.

    I mean C. Jackson owns it and brings so much weight. But i really doubt anyone can pull off those two roles as well as Daveed could.

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    YggiDeeYggiDee The World Ends With You Shill Registered User regular
    Making people choose between the two is downright mean.

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    lonelyahavalonelyahava Call me Ahava ~~She/Her~~ Move to New ZealandRegistered User regular
    Well that certainly is a list.

    Scenic design and lighting design definitely from what I've seen. Probably costume as well. But the scenic design is just amazing.


    I find myself singing the chorus parts more often. I wonder if that's my subconscious talking. Hmmmm.

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    Munkus BeaverMunkus Beaver You don't have to attend every argument you are invited to. Philosophy: Stoicism. Politics: Democratic SocialistRegistered User, ClubPA regular
    Diggs is everyone's favorite fighting frenchman and pimp Jefferson.

    The fuck do you do to compete with that?

    Humor can be dissected as a frog can, but dies in the process.
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    KetBraKetBra Dressed Ridiculously Registered User regular
    He's technically only America's favourite fighting Frenchman

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    ShadowhopeShadowhope Baa. Registered User regular
    edited May 2016
    Last year I saw the YouTube video of the original presentation of the opening number to Hamilton and enjoyed it. I had sort of hoped to see Hamilton live, but since tickets are basically impossible to get and since it's not likely to come anywhere that I'm going any time soon, I decided to kill time at the airport by buying the soundtrack on iTunes and listening to it. I wasn't sure how much I'd enjoy it - I love musical theatre, but I'm largely indifferent to rap and hip hop, and I cheer for the British in stories about the American Revolution. And I've been severely disappointed by some hyped up and popular recent musicals (I'm looking at you, Book of Mormon).

    But damn.

    It's so good.

    Hamilton exceeds the hype. I'm absolutely floored. Stand out tracks for me are the opening number ("Alexander Hamilton"), "My Shot," "You'll Be Back," "Helpless," the cabinet battles, "The World Was Wide Enough," and "Who Lives, Who Dies, Who Tells Your Story." I actually just decided to buy the book on how the musical came about for my Kindle, so I'll have something to read on the plane.

    I hope that Lin-Manuel Miranda has more left in the well, because I want more from where Hamilton came from.

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    Lost SalientLost Salient blink twice if you'd like me to mercy kill youRegistered User regular
    My mom and I's text conversation from this morning:

    Mom: Hamilton... 16 nominations!
    Me: How does the bastard, orphan, son of a whore and a Scotsman go on and on, grow into more of a phenomeno
    Oops mucked the lyrics
    Pretend I didn't, I'm supposed to be listening to this talk :P
    Mom: Lol... Cause... You know... Working!
    Me: I'm looking for a mind at work!
    (whoa-ooh)

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    lonelyahavalonelyahava Call me Ahava ~~She/Her~~ Move to New ZealandRegistered User regular
    so becuase I'm sitting here doing some crochet while the baby is napping, I decided to check out Wikipedia on Aaron Burr.

    And holy shit.

    The line in "Wait for it" about is Grandfather being a fire and brimstone preacher?

    Not "a" but "the". Aaron Burr is Jonathon Edwards's grandson.

    Jonathon Edwards of the "Sinners in the Hand of an Angry God" sermon.

    My mind is now further blown.

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    KilroyKilroy timaeusTestified Registered User regular
    yeah, whenever I sing Wait For It, I change the line to 'the fire and brimstone preacher'

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    lonelyahavalonelyahava Call me Ahava ~~She/Her~~ Move to New ZealandRegistered User regular
    like, no kidding about that legacy to protect, dude.

    sheeeesh.

    Granted Aaron Burr was 2 when his grandfather died, so wasn't raised by him. But still. Having that legacy over your head? Good Grief.

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    KetBraKetBra Dressed Ridiculously Registered User regular
    Huh, Aaron Burr and Hamilton were actual co-counsel on the first murder trial in the US

    Wacky wacky wacky

    Also, Non-Stop is such a great song. I love Miranda's delivery of "I was chosen for the constitutional convention!"

    He's so adorably proud of himself

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    LalaboxLalabox Registered User regular
    KetBra wrote: »
    Huh, Aaron Burr and Hamilton were actual co-counsel on the first murder trial in the US

    This fact is weird, because it seems like what they actually mean is that it's the first recorded murder trial. Because the Levi Weeks trial (which is the name used in the song) happened in 1799, which is waaaaaaaaay later than anything that happened in Non-Stop. But they had also been co counsels in a bunch of cases. Including one early on, where there's a story that they disagreed with who would do the opening speech, that when it came to actually giving it, Burr went first and tried to anticipate all the points that Hamilton would make and managed to basically give him nothing to say. And, apparently, it worked.

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    PoorochondriacPoorochondriac Ah, man Ah, jeezRegistered User regular
    Confession time: I thought he was saying "Lemmiwinks" the first dozen times I heard that song and never bothered to fact-check my dumb, lying ears

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    KetBraKetBra Dressed Ridiculously Registered User regular
    I kind of want a Hamilton and Aaron Burr sitcom now

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    Blake TBlake T Do you have enemies then? Good. That means you’ve stood up for something, sometime in your life.Registered User regular
    Burr is the neat freak that doesn't like risk and Hamilton is a foreign person that always eats the left overs in the fridge.

    That's 100 episodes of material right there.

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    Munkus BeaverMunkus Beaver You don't have to attend every argument you are invited to. Philosophy: Stoicism. Politics: Democratic SocialistRegistered User, ClubPA regular
    Blake T wrote: »
    Burr is the neat freak that doesn't like risk and Hamilton is a foreign person that always eats the left overs in the fridge.

    That's 100 episodes of material right there.

    So, it's the Colonial Odd Couple.

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    Blake TBlake T Do you have enemies then? Good. That means you’ve stood up for something, sometime in your life.Registered User regular
    YES, THANK YOU FOR EXPLAINING THE JOKE.

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    UnbrokenEvaUnbrokenEva HIGH ON THE WIRE BUT I WON'T TRIP ITRegistered User regular
    Shadowhope wrote: »
    Last year I saw the YouTube video of the original presentation of the opening number to Hamilton and enjoyed it. I had sort of hoped to see Hamilton live, but since tickets are basically impossible to get and since it's not likely to come anywhere that I'm going any time soon, I decided to kill time at the airport by buying the soundtrack on iTunes and listening to it. I wasn't sure how much I'd enjoy it - I love musical theatre, but I'm largely indifferent to rap and hip hop, and I cheer for the British in stories about the American Revolution. And I've been severely disappointed by some hyped up and popular recent musicals (I'm looking at you, Book of Mormon).

    But damn.

    It's so good.

    Hamilton exceeds the hype. I'm absolutely floored. Stand out tracks for me are the opening number ("Alexander Hamilton"), "My Shot," "You'll Be Back," "Helpless," the cabinet battles, "The World Was Wide Enough," and "Who Lives, Who Dies, Who Tells Your Story." I actually just decided to buy the book on how the musical came about for my Kindle, so I'll have something to read on the plane.

    I hope that Lin-Manuel Miranda has more left in the well, because I want more from where Hamilton came from.

    His next major project is writing songs for Disney's Moana, co-starring Dwayne "The Rock" Johnson as a pacific island demigod.

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    BlankZoeBlankZoe Registered User regular
    God dammit Daveed Diggs is the best

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    SnowbearSnowbear Registered User regular
    For real the live action calvin and hobbes thing those two do is hilarious.

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    Raijin QuickfootRaijin Quickfoot I'm your Huckleberry YOU'RE NO DAISYRegistered User, ClubPA regular
    Hamilton and Burr are so intertwined that if you made a movie based on their lives people would complain it wasn't realistic.

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    RenzoRenzo Registered User regular
    Hamilton and Burr are so intertwined that if you made a movie based on their lives people would complain it wasn't realistic.
    hamilton and burr's lives were intertwined to the point that, if their story were fiction, it would be universally shit on for being overly contrived

    I just started reading through this thread. Is this a thing?

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    Speed RacerSpeed Racer Scritch scratch scritch scratch scritch scratch scritch scratch scritch scratch scritch scratch scritch scratch scritch scratch scritch scratch scritch scratch scritch scratch scritch scratchRegistered User regular
    i think miranda has said something to that effect somewhere?

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    FencingsaxFencingsax It is difficult to get a man to understand, when his salary depends upon his not understanding GNU Terry PratchettRegistered User regular
    edited May 2016
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    Renzo wrote: »
    Hamilton and Burr are so intertwined that if you made a movie based on their lives people would complain it wasn't realistic.
    hamilton and burr's lives were intertwined to the point that, if their story were fiction, it would be universally shit on for being overly contrived

    I just started reading through this thread. Is this a thing?

    Hamilton and Burr essentially had the same career in the same city (on the same street) throughout their lives. They were colleagues throughout their lives, so it isn't actually that surprising.

    Well, except for the whole duel thing.

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    RenzoRenzo Registered User regular
    Fencingsax wrote: »
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    Renzo wrote: »
    Hamilton and Burr are so intertwined that if you made a movie based on their lives people would complain it wasn't realistic.
    hamilton and burr's lives were intertwined to the point that, if their story were fiction, it would be universally shit on for being overly contrived

    I just started reading through this thread. Is this a thing?

    Hamilton and Burr essentially had the same career in the same city (on the same street) throughout their lives. They were colleagues throughout their lives, so it isn't actually that surprising.

    Well, except for the whole duel thing.

    I was referring to how the two posts I quoted are very similar, not so much the content of them.

    But yeah, it is funny how they run into each other. "We keep meeting."

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